I just had to bring this up because no one seems to care about this and I am really curious...
Is anyone else EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED that there will be no more "Chapters" and they chose to end GW1 with just an "Expansion?" After NightFall, I've been looking so extremely forward to the next two PROFESSIONS that would be introduced in Chapter 4. In fact, I'd go as far as saying two new Professions is what I looked the most forward to.
In my opinion, the least that the developers could do for us is develop GW:EN into a final CHAPTER instead of releasing it as a mere feeble, half-assed, cop-out, turd burglar, all-your-eggs-in-one-basket of an Expansion. I know I could be patient for a later release date if it meant a full game instead of an expansion.
Anyone feel cheated, or is it just me?
Post Script: Creating a full chapter could also offer a fourth map that could fill the gap in the north and players with all 4 Chapters could unlock a full map via /fullmap or something.
GW:EN no full chapter?
aaje vhanli
FireFox
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Anyone feel cheated, or is it just me?
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Kook~NBK~
Well, since I haven't spent any money on it, I don't feel cheated at all.
Now factions, on the other hand...
(J/K, I found a few ways to get my money's worth out of it
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Now factions, on the other hand...
(J/K, I found a few ways to get my money's worth out of it
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EatMoreCarbs
I would rather a good, solid expansion instead of a boring grind of a chapter. *cough*factions*cough*
Stormcloud
I like the expansion idea...you are getting new maps, but then if you spent some time reading instead of being disappointed you would know that.
daraaksii
They've mentioned that it will cost less becoue it's an expansion.
aaje vhanli
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mostly just you
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I would rather a good, solid expansion instead of a boring grind of a chapter.
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Of course, I expect that I will still enjoy the expansion as well... I'm just unhappy with the choice to not continue chapters and feel that taking the time to make GW:EN into a full chapter would be a nice way to conclude instead of just dismissing all possibility for future chapters and ending with an anti-climactic expansion.
It seems to me that they're releasing an expansion for speed, not quality.
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you are getting new maps, but then if you spent some time reading instead of being disappointed you would know that.
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They've mentioned that it will cost less becoue it's an expansion.
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ValaOfTheFens
I'm hoping GW:EN with bring some of the crappier professions up to par. Why bother with new professions when existing ones need attention? Plus, an expansion can add content to places people have been wanting to have more content. 
Yanman.be
Wait..there's a difference between an "expansion" and a "chapter"? We only had chapters so far right?
Winterclaw
I'm not against the change from chapters to expansions, but I would like to see a new chapter every now and then.
aaje vhanli
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I'm hoping GW:EN with bring some of the crappier professions up to par. Why bother with new professions when existing ones need attention? Plus, an expansion can add content to places people have been wanting to have more content.
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Yanman.be,
Yes and yes. An expansion expands on content already established in the games thus far. A Chapter introduces completely new content (a full, stand-alone game like Factions and Nightfall).
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I'm not against the change from chapters to expansions, but I would like to see a new chapter every now and then.
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sixdartbart
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Anyone feel cheated, or is it just me?[/i]
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I'm betting you haven't bothered to read the article in PCG which I think pretty well covered the reasons behind this and the reasons why the campaigns didn't work as well as they had hoped for them to.
It sounds to me like this expansion will be better than a full chapter/campaign just from not being littered with a bunch more tutorial garbage.
Bottom line is people really need to stop posting all this QQ bullshit until they have actually read the entire article,understand what it says then and only then come here and still don't post your QQ bullshit.
Darksun
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Of course, I expect that I will still enjoy the expansion as well... I'm just unhappy with the choice to not continue chapters and feel that taking the time to make GW:EN into a full chapter would be a nice way to conclude instead of just dismissing all possibility for future chapters and ending with an anti-climactic expansion.
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I have read. We know we're getting new areas and maps, but we don't know yet how Anet plans on executing these ideas. More importantly, that wasn't the main idea of my post. The main idea was new professions and full Chapter content. I was just including the new map speculations into the "Chapter instead of Expansion" idea.
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bhavv
I dont feel cheated, and I find it fantastic that there wont be any more chapters or new proffesions because......
*Spoiler alert for the OP*
WE GET GUILDWARS TWO INSTEAD!.
*Spoiler alert for the OP*
WE GET GUILDWARS TWO INSTEAD!.
BlackSephir
I'm dissapointed with low number of new pvp skills (but 50 pve only skills, wow, useless -,-)
Ensign
I'm just concerned that aftermarket support is going to dry up without the spectre of needing to sell another product on the horizon.
Peace,
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Peace,
-CxE
Quid Pro Quo
I love the idea. There were so many proffessions it was starting to feel silly. Besides why would you want the same exact pattern every chapter? I'm glad for this expansion because it sounds like a unique storyline for the first time and it sounds like its going to make the ENTIRE game more solid and give a reason to explore more of it and spend time in areas that have been deserted for awhile.
aaje vhanli
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It sounds to me like this expansion will be better than a full chapter/campaign just from not being littered with a bunch more tutorial garbage.
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Just because I disagree with something doesn't mean that I'm ignorant. A good article will persuade you to think it's a good idea so it's very valid that most people will think it sounds good.
Call it QQ bullshit all you want, but we are free to express our concerns and speculations. Bottom line, I think people need to stop being so quick to shut off a post as "QQ bullshit."
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How is it anti-climactic? You haven't even played it...
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Personally I don't like more professions. I think they should simply add depth to the current ones. The more professions you add the more pointless they become. They are all just permutations of the core proffesions. It's just kinda blah.
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People are entitled to think that the current professions need improvement and that some of the new ones are only "blah" variations on the core professions -- equally, I am entitled to enjoy the diversity that I find in all of our professions and explore the fantasy of two more in the final game.
bhavv,
No much of a spoiler, given I have read the PCG article and much of these forums. GW2 does indeed sound very exciting, but it is a different GAME altogether (people don't seem to comprehend this with their "I want to move my GW1 stuff into GW2" complaints). My speculations are just based on what information is available, and addresses the choice to expand on the current games ONLY, rather than expand AND include final Chapter campaign material.
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Besides why would you want the same exact pattern every chapter?
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I'm glad for this expansion because it sounds like a unique storyline for the first time and it sounds like its going to make the ENTIRE game more solid and give a reason to explore more of it and spend time in areas that have been deserted for awhile.
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Demilikos
For all we know this expansion could be loaded with so much explorable content (I'm pretty sure they're gonna find out ways to make PvE lasting), GOOD PvP skills (and a nice balance update), a better storyline and a host of other neat things that you'll easily be able to forget about two new professions and thousands of new and useless skills.
Quid Pro Quo
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They say there will not be any more chapters. So why not finish what they started?
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And how can they fully develope a new advanced storyline if they constantly have to work our balancing more proffessions and making low level content? Thats the whole reason they are killing chapters in the first place because its a tedious concept and they don't know how to break the formula thus GW2.
noocoo
Something I mind is....why GW:EN need 1 year or more to be developed from Nightfall?
"HOLIDAY 2007" means "Christmas 2007?"
geeezz!
"HOLIDAY 2007" means "Christmas 2007?"
geeezz!
Quid Pro Quo
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Something I mind is....why GW:EN need 1 year or more to be developed from Nightfall?
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EPO Bot
I hope the henge of Denravi will finally get a population in GWEN.
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I bet GW:EN is already more than finished and they just working on other stuff.
More professions heck why not? I want:
A- A Conjurer who specializes in the summoning of demons mostly like the necro creates minions.
B- A Shapeshifter who uses elite animal forms, (werewolf ^^) i would love that.
More professions heck why not? I want:
A- A Conjurer who specializes in the summoning of demons mostly like the necro creates minions.
B- A Shapeshifter who uses elite animal forms, (werewolf ^^) i would love that.
natuxatu
Guild Wars will be solid before Guild Wars 2 comes out as far as balance and so forth.. so that should keep people said about GW2 happy for awhile longer untill they hear about Guild Wars 2 and decide if they want to give it a chance.
Personally though I'd take Guild Wars 2 over another expansion any day. (Assuming it's good, which I trust Anet so yeah.)
Edit: I do agree they probably could release GWEN a little sooner.. especially if beta is going to be sometime in 2008 which it says it might... Having a little more time to focus on GWEN would be nice before the beta and release of GW2.
Personally though I'd take Guild Wars 2 over another expansion any day. (Assuming it's good, which I trust Anet so yeah.)
Edit: I do agree they probably could release GWEN a little sooner.. especially if beta is going to be sometime in 2008 which it says it might... Having a little more time to focus on GWEN would be nice before the beta and release of GW2.
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I would rather a good, solid expansion instead of a boring grind of a chapter. *cough*factions*cough*
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Darcy
@OP - ArenaNet stated months ago that they did not intend to supply new professions with all chapters, so even if they made GW:EN into a standalone chapter, you would not necessarily get any new professions.
My theory on the GW:EN and GW2 genesis is that they were trying to develop another chapter that, as usual, incorporated some of the fanbase requests (3rd axis, what happened to Gwen, where is the Charr homeland, etc.) and found they were writing a new game that would not mesh with the original.
Thus they took the GW-linked content and created GW:EN and moved all the rest to GW2 development. Will there be new chapters? - IMO, no, not for GW or for GW2. I think they have learned that standalone chapters are too confining, both for players and developers, with the need for another tutorial and graduated difficulty.
My theory on the GW:EN and GW2 genesis is that they were trying to develop another chapter that, as usual, incorporated some of the fanbase requests (3rd axis, what happened to Gwen, where is the Charr homeland, etc.) and found they were writing a new game that would not mesh with the original.
Thus they took the GW-linked content and created GW:EN and moved all the rest to GW2 development. Will there be new chapters? - IMO, no, not for GW or for GW2. I think they have learned that standalone chapters are too confining, both for players and developers, with the need for another tutorial and graduated difficulty.
Meat Axe
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Something I mind is....why GW:EN need 1 year or more to be developed from Nightfall?
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I like the idea of expansions. To me, it sounds like it'll be a new chapter without the low level stuff and the new professions. As long as it has a strong storyline, I'll be happy. Also looking forward to the Hall of Monuments. I love the idea of leaving a legacy for the future characters in GW2.
Deleet
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Wait..there's a difference between an "expansion" and a "chapter"? We only had chapters so far right?
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Chapters don't, but can be linked.
sindex
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Something I mind is....why GW:EN need 1 year or more to be developed from Nightfall?
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mafia cyborg
i dont care much for the size of the xpansion....all i want is quality.
i'd rather have smaller explorable areas with more detail put into them.....rather than huge frustrating lands that loook all the same with mobs thrown it at random....
the idea of more pve skills i do not like at all......
100 pvp skills? lets hope they are interesting ones....and no just spam skills.
i'd rather have smaller explorable areas with more detail put into them.....rather than huge frustrating lands that loook all the same with mobs thrown it at random....
the idea of more pve skills i do not like at all......
100 pvp skills? lets hope they are interesting ones....and no just spam skills.
Lord Natural
I'm happy there aren't any new classes, but somewhat concerned if this is a small expansion and the wait to GW2 is an extended one. If they go into GW2 with no momentum, it could be trouble from the start.
ElinoraNeSangre
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My only disappointment with Eye of the North is that there won't be shiny character creation options by the sound of it. I'm a character creation erm... well I really like character creation but this place censors the word I'd use. :P It sounds like it'll be reasonably large to keep people busy, and while I'm sure it won't be perfect, I'm hoping that it'll be a decent "end" to a great game.
I kinda liked the chapter system, but I can see how a more traditional expansion model would have appeal - no questions of "where do I start?" You start at the start. Period. There is ONE game, and then stuff you layer on top of it. They're going to have to seriously crank on expansions though if they're going to want to do this with no monthly fee (and no fee is the plan).
combatchuck
I own all three chapters. I don't want to wade through another beginner's section to get to the meat of the game, I want it to challenge my curent level 20 characters for the entire time. If everything people have said is true, GW:EN will be above and beyond everything that's been done so far.
ApocalypseAzza
Gw:en = Gwen... Its All About Gwen She Comes Back Grown Up And Turns Bad And We Have To Kill Her
Rakeman
I am THRILLED that this is an expansion. There are enough campaigns. We're done with them. There are 10 professions. That's plenty- Anet can barely (read: can't) balance them as it is. In GW:EN, I wont have to go through a bunch of easy stuff before getting to the fun part. It starts off in the insanity! It was designed for level 20s, and thus should probably have a lot of fun and innovative gameplay. I hope that the 100 or so new skills are 10 elites for each profession. That would rock. Or, perhaps, 20 for Paragons, 20 for Dervishes, 15 for Ritualists, 15 for Assassins, 5 for the core classes- since they have an abundance of them anyway. I hope we aren't spammed with useless skills that nobody will ever use. And hopefully by then, since Anet wont be developing new chapters, skill balances will occur, making the pointless skills useful. Eh, I may have my expectations too high. I just hope Anet does a great job!
Silabus The Rebirth
Alright from reading the article from the magazine, I understand that it is a Chapter in a sense. It's in the form of an expansion because it is continuing the previous journey(s), so you need to have one of the previous games so it makes sense. At least this is how I see it.
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Saelfaer
since when would an expantion not be good?
any expantion can be very good too
lots of areas, great story connecting the loose ends
ok, this time no new classes but still, lots of new things.
i do not see a problem why ending with an expantion instead of a chapter would make me feel cheated.
we didnt see anything yet (few screenies dont say anything)
wait till its out, then judge if it was enough or not!
any expantion can be very good too
lots of areas, great story connecting the loose ends
ok, this time no new classes but still, lots of new things.
i do not see a problem why ending with an expantion instead of a chapter would make me feel cheated.
we didnt see anything yet (few screenies dont say anything)
wait till its out, then judge if it was enough or not!
Avarre
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