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Drew Almighty ll

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ronse, Belgium

Blade Of Soulds[DVDF]

Mo/

24 Mar 2007 at 21:52 - 1

Hello!
There’s a critical subject I want to discuss.
!! The Domain Of Anguish Farming !!
What is the ‘problem’ there?
Well, that part is considered as being the elite part of Nightfall, alright?
So why is it possible to farm ALL of the areas there dual or solo? No, this isn’t my problem.
My problem is more:
1) City of Torc’qua
Team: SB Tank (monk) + Famine Ranger
DROPS: Around 3-8 Margonite Gemstones per hour/player
= Around 5-10k/hour (per player) + Loot
2) Stygian Veil
Team: Solo Trapper (ranger)
DROPS: Around 3-10 Stygian Gemstones
= Around 3-8k/hour + Loot
3) Ravenheart Gloom
Team: E/A Gloom Farmer
DROPS: Around 2-8 Torment Gemstones per hour
= Around 15-60k/hour + Loot
4) The Foundry of Failed Creations
Team: SB Tank (monk) + Famine Ranger
DROPS: Around 1-4 Titan Gemstones per hour/player
= Around 50-200k/hour (per player) + Loot
1 and 2:
No comment on that ones, except the fact that you can farm those ‘Elite???’ areas solo or dual.
3 and 4:
The problematic part!
OMG, farming that way nets players around 15k up to 200k per hour !!
Having read all the tings above here, you should say:

‘Idiot, farm it too and just shut up!’
Fortunately, some players will also not be please with this fait…
The consequences of this farming:
Farming that way for 1week will net around 500-2000k easily, if you got time.
That makes:
- Obsidian armor and expensive weapons accessible to a lot more players. Being ‘cheapened’ it has no ‘status’ anymore for players that have farmed weeks, even months in order to get it.
- It’s the same for every object that you can buy in the game (keys, unidentified golds, …). People can buy it now without troubles and Titles are that way cheapened.
I would like replies plz, maybe a reply from one of the Game Masters that could be cool

stuntharley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Critical Chop [cC]

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24 Mar 2007 at 22:03 - 2

I got my tormented shield from this, they're very hard to get the hang of. I think your just crying because you can't do it.

But anyways once they nerf these, people will find other ways to farm it. No matter what they nerf, there will always been other ways

DeXyre

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

24 Mar 2007 at 22:04 - 3

If people start to farm more, the prices will automaticly drop...
Imo nothing should be soloable... (not even your secret little place, which makes equal or more (with some luck -- ask Thule) than 3 of the DoA areas)
Don't be jealous because there are better places to farm Drew (or "you just don't have any luck any longer") xD

btw stuntharley... Drew is there with his monk, so he actually can do it...
Have to agree though... people will always find different ways

--Sil

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

24 Mar 2007 at 22:05 - 4

Now when you say nerf it, do just mean nerf the drops?

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

24 Mar 2007 at 22:14 - 5

ZOMG nerf UW too! Peepz farm it 4 ectos to git rich!!!11!!!

Seriously, there is no problem here. Money is meaningless in GW, FoW hasn't had any status for a while now. In fact, it's in GW's 'grind-free' philosophy for people to be able to get stuff easily, farming for valuables and whatnot. It's a good thing, the casual player now has pretty weapons and armours easily within his grasp, and would even have money to outfit several characters with good stuff so they don't have to play the same mending wammo all day...
Unless you want to have 100k Sup Vigors or 11^50 Fellblades again...

For the really rich elite, there's always unconditional Crystallines or crap like that to go after.

So... what's the problem?
Every jonny-wammo can have the same armour or weapons as you?
Tough sh*t, dude.

daraaksii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

24 Mar 2007 at 22:20 - 6

DO NOT NERF IT!'+!'+!'+!'+"/"+!/+!=!/(%/

Gem prices will go down! Yay! I could afford my shield

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

24 Mar 2007 at 22:28 - 7

The price of anything should and will drop after some time.
Only items you can get once, like collector minipets, should have fished high prices.

Arnack

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Mar 2007 at 22:54 - 8

What is this The Foundry of Failed Creations dual farming build?

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

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24 Mar 2007 at 23:00 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnack

What is this The Foundry of Failed Creations dual farming build?

Likely a variation on this one...
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Build:T...5/Famine_Redux

Go farm, young one!

Arnack

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Mar 2007 at 23:32 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Likely a variation on this one...
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Build:T...5/Famine_Redux

Go farm, young one!

Will do, sir
^_^

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

25 Mar 2007 at 00:15 - 11

So where is the problem? UW was soloed since day one. FoW has various solo builds.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

25 Mar 2007 at 01:08 - 12

The problem with farming these gemstones - if and when they start to be really heavily farmed, there will be a surplus of supply, and the prices will plummet (moreso than they have already). A set right now costs ~100k, about 80k of which is for the Titan gemstone if I'm current on my prices. If that falls anymore, well, people will stop hardcore farming the gemstones. It's selfregulating.

As for your fears about this kind of massive farming cheapening everything in the game - you forget that, for every 200k a farmer makes off of gemstones, someone else had to make 200k just by normal farming, which takes much longer and puts a cap on the maximum wealth going into the game. Gemstone farming doesn't create wealth, it just allows you to obtain it from others who have done so. Therefore, even if someone makes a million gold a week doing this kind of farming, prices for other items will not drop, as he hasn't actually created any wealth; he's just relocated it to himself from other players.

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

25 Mar 2007 at 01:28 - 13

I'd rather that DoA be more fun and less frustrating to play with a full team.

You know, mobs of 8 from a set of a professions that use real skill builds picked from a random pool and everyone has a res sig. No foe is over level 24.

I guess the OP would be happy with that because it reduces farmability. I don't mind farmers myself, but it's frustrating to not be able to join a group and just play through the quests. Even moreso when the party gets wiped because a mob of 15 L28 monsters looked at you funny. :S

Wishful thinking I guess.

holababe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

Goon Squad [LLJK]

Mo/

25 Mar 2007 at 01:44 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

You know, mobs of 8 from a set of a professions that use real skill builds picked from a random pool and everyone has a res sig. No foe is over level 24.

Hard Mode promises to introduce that sort of thing.

But, do I really want to see DoA on Hard Mode?

Killaya

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ohio

Fabric of Existence [ohGr]

N/Mo

25 Mar 2007 at 01:44 - 15

I don't even really see a problem with the prices plummeting. I think that 100k + e is too much for a gem set anyway.

Where there's monsters, there's a way to farm. They thought they nerfed 55 UW farming by putting in Dying Nightmares. Urrr. Wrong. People have been farming since day 1, it's not going to change.

And actually completing DoA is insanely hard. There are very few good groups out there that have the skill (and time) to complete all four areas. Farming allows those of us with little time to acquire gems and get our pretty torment weapons. Or a coffer. Seriously, Razah isn't worth the price of a gem set. Pay 100k for a rit hero? No thanks, I'd rather farm for him.

My two cents.

Black Ops Ranger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

South Carolina

Heroes of Thermopylae

R/Mo

25 Mar 2007 at 01:48 - 16

If someone is smart enough to solo an Elite Mission let them

dont complain that they are "making expensive items less"

They have the same, skill and everything you and other people do and did just they found a quicker way to do it

Sure it may have lessed the value a little, but they are still items for players of higher calibers than the rest

DOA farmers have plenty of skill, not everyone can Solo or Dual it

X89

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Vancouver, WA

[iBoT]

Mo/A

25 Mar 2007 at 02:34 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew Almighty ll

- Obsidian armor and expensive weapons accessible to a lot more players. Being ‘cheapened’ it has no ‘status’ anymore for players that have farmed weeks, even months in order to get it.
- It’s the same for every object that you can buy in the game (keys, unidentified golds, …). People can buy it now without troubles and Titles are that way cheapened.

How long have you been playing Guild Wars? Nothing has value anymore, and titles, please don't get me started.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

25 Mar 2007 at 03:03 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew Almighty ll

Hello!
Farming that way for 1week will net around 500-2000k easily, if you got time.
That makes:
- Obsidian armor and expensive weapons accessible to a lot more players. Being ‘cheapened’ it has no ‘status’ anymore for players that have farmed weeks, even months in order to get it.
- It’s the same for every object that you can buy in the game (keys, unidentified golds, …). People can buy it now without troubles and Titles are that way cheapened.
I would like replies plz, maybe a reply from one of the Game Masters that could be cool

And that part of the post clearly shows you have no idea how the ingame economy works. Gems have no inherient value (ie they aren't sold to the merchant for 100k). They only have trader value between people. They don't actually generate any real cash flow. They merely transfer money from one player to another when they are sold. Thus it does not create inflation. Also, if these areas are overfarmed enough, then those gems prices will drop to almost nothing and it won't be worth the effort anymore.

Scythe Of Thunder

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Exiles of the Ironguard [EotI]

R/Me

25 Mar 2007 at 03:15 - 19

Since these "unbalanced" farm builds have come to public prominence gem prices have dropped rapidly and the only thing affected are the price of tormented weapons and Razah. And other than the Stygian farm build they are not easy to do.

Make DoA any harder it will be impossible to complete to get to Mallyx.

ca_aok

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Xen of Onslaught

E/Me

25 Mar 2007 at 03:32 - 20

Quite frankly I expected this to be a post whinning about how you couldn't do DoA so it needed to be made easier.

What I see instead is "QQ, I couldn't do a difficult farm so lets nerf it for others so they can't make money". ANET has already ruined almost every farm spot in the game, let's not ruin yet another that actually takes a modicum of skill. And good luck making 2000K in a week, titan gems don't exactly drop off every other monster you know.

BahamutKaiser

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Heightened state of mind.

P/W

25 Mar 2007 at 05:52 - 21

I'm glad there are high loot areas in the game and easy ways to farm them, I honestly wish it was even easier, because my gameplay isn't about searching for gear to enjoy playing with, or just amassing endless wealth so I can put superior runes of vigor on all my characters.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

25 Mar 2007 at 06:31 - 22

So really, you want Titan Gems to be easier to get? Those are the only gems that are still worth more than 20k.

Domon Kasho

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

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25 Mar 2007 at 06:37 - 23

and very soon they will join the rest of the gems as pocket change items

Drew Almighty ll

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ronse, Belgium

Blade Of Soulds[DVDF]

Mo/

25 Mar 2007 at 08:44 - 24

I've read everything and yes , most of you are right about prices...
But I'm done with GW, when doing a mission you can't see the difference between a n00b and a decent player anymore so it's very anoying when they f*ck it up and then leave, wasting your time, over and over again.
The only way you can see a 'pro' is when he has Rank. But that's only for PvP players....

DeXyre

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

25 Mar 2007 at 09:01 - 25

Like some people buy their protector titles and pay people to do a mission for them...
Still that doesn't have anything to do with DoA and farming there Drew...

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

25 Mar 2007 at 09:11 - 26

Easier than bonding up someone and nuking a huddled mob? >.>

Drew Almighty ll

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ronse, Belgium

Blade Of Soulds[DVDF]

Mo/

25 Mar 2007 at 09:32 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeXyre

Like some people buy their protector titles and pay people to do a mission for them...
Still that doesn't have anything to do with DoA and farming there Drew...

When it's hard to find decent players you better let run them...

legion_rat

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

668 the neighbor of the beast

TFK

A/

25 Mar 2007 at 15:01 - 28

people are always bitching about farming and "the economy" Its a game. The skills are out there. you can make the same build that everyone else is using and try to farm. OR you can bitch and moan because there are people out there that were good/smart enough to design a build that allows them to solo uw/doa/fow. So basically you want to punish people that play better then you.

~the rat~

Strange Guy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

MI, USA

Is Gwen Eighteen [yet]

Mo/Me

25 Mar 2007 at 16:29 - 29

Uhmm right, make no different for me. Just like UW ecto farm. Solo will always be there no matter what! Plus the number of people who do this solo is not that many. AND those who can finish this solo are exp PVE players! If you can do it, go ahead and do it. Don't complain if others do better than you. Practice makes perfect!

But I still prefer playing Dual as a team. 400k+ in 4 hours for me is not bad. If I can not farm that much, screw farming, Cartographer tittles are much better. It shows your skills and your patient. People does not respect those who have hundred of ectos but they will respect those who have cool tittles! That's my opinion and prob a lot of people as well! Hundred ectos = no life and no skill beside doing 1 thing over and over! Cool tittles = patient, skills and well-known among gamers!

My Green Storage

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Arizona

My Blue Storage

N/

25 Mar 2007 at 23:52 - 30

Soloing DoA
Soloing FoW
Soloing UW
Soloing Bosses
Soloing General Mobs (Vermin, Kirin, etc)
Chest Running
You see where I'm getting at?
Nothing is impossible

"Hundred ectos = no life and no skill beside doing 1 thing over and over! Cool tittles = patient, skills and well-known among gamers!"

Which leet title?
Drunkard? Standing around for an hour here an hour there double clicking your inventory? Maybe a bot?
Lucky/Unlucky title? Leaving your computer on for days as you're afk?
Cartographer? Having your character for 2 years and figuring .. what the hell, let's set out and get grandmaster cartographer. Playing through the game nets you 40-60% ... so you decide to go out and get the other x percentage. Well if you put your mind to it it can be done.

I have 75% exploredon my ele, if I decided I actually cared about titles, I would set out to get the other 25% or atleast get to 90% .. but alas .. titles aren't much in PVE (I don't do PVP so don't care there either)

Long story short:
Everyone hates what someone else is doing.
So f off and STFU.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

26 Mar 2007 at 05:06 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew Almighty ll

I've read everything and yes , most of you are right about prices...
But I'm done with GW, when doing a mission you can't see the difference between a n00b and a decent player anymore so it's very anoying when they f*ck it up and then leave, wasting your time, over and over again.
The only way you can see a 'pro' is when he has Rank. But that's only for PvP players....

So, this was your /ragequit rant thread then?

Frankly I don't like your attitude if you go into missions looking to call people's n00bs or "pros". Also, IWAYing fame doesn't mean somebody is good.

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

26 Mar 2007 at 11:10 - 32

Here is a thought for you.
Solo = purple max possibile drop, and 1/2 normal gold... No Chests EVER Spawn.

full party of npcs, = Same as solo... + Some chest spawn... Gold items only a 5% chance of ever getting

Full party of PLAYERS = Greens (+10% of normal), Golds(+25% of normal), higher gold amounts (30%-50% MORE Per Drop)...

HARD MODE: Min Party sizes required to enter, NO HENCHMEN OR HEROES TO BE FOUND ANYWHERE!!!
UNIQUE RED WEAPONS. => Boss rewards. Like easy mode Greens...

Only these things will ever encourage the END of solo farmers. Anything short of this it will continue forever... and thats the way it is...

Rewarding SPO single player online, is just stupid for a MMO of any flavor...

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

26 Mar 2007 at 11:34 - 33

i love this post.... best way to get anet to nerf something, is more ppl take advantage of it, making the problem bigger and more more known

and im thinking it isnt him whining, he seems to have done his research / possible farmed them himself....

why do u think anet had free UW / FOW weekend, lets open it up to all ppl possible so that drops decrease due to larger amount of people doing it...
just like 3X green drop weekend, 3X chance of drop, 6x of ppl farming that area....

i fully agree that there r more farmers, in certain areas then need be, you can see from prices of items when alot of ppl find those spots... dead sword perfect example... filled them market quick, no worth nothing, all it took was a few ppl making the farm spot known to all, and it went to the floor, titan gems have been doing same, just slower cause it is a harder area...

i fully agree that this needs nerfed, i personally do not farm there (not saying i cant), i got more important things to do, but i hate when a few ppl take such advantage of something that it ruins the market and the game...

AND to My Green Storage funny u seem to crack on everyone including green farmers... nice name... as for quite a few of ur comments... my warrior had 90% of Tyria mapped the day the titles came out, from just fighting through game and exploring to see what was where...

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

26 Mar 2007 at 11:39 - 34

I personally think the problem there is that its TOO rewarding for minimal parties... If there was a min party requirement (req 6) it would be easier to get groups to go. all anyone wants to do is FARM it. and I want to FINISH it... these solos are far from doing that... Part of the problem in My opinion was that its an elite geared for a party of 8 instead of 12. If its geared for 12 there is No way a solo could ever farm it in this way... Instead Anet will nerf Traps, so they will not stack, or make the NPCs smart enough to spot and avoid them. Its already in the works... so use it while you can posers...

And common if you base the skill of a player on the loot they farm, your an idiot (excuse me, Not very smart)... farming is not skill its rinse repeat farming... so just cause they wasted gold and time on fissure armor or torment weapons, or titan gems whatever. it does not mean sh!t... it just means they waste time better then the next guy... big deal...

Quest_techie

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

27 Mar 2007 at 05:29 - 35

if people are smarter than the game then good for them

Mesmerman

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

[Penis]

Me/N

27 Mar 2007 at 05:46 - 36

The OP is just a whiner. Get over it, people farm. They keep nerfing crap and all it's going to do is ruin the game in every other category.

kyoshirou

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Cavalon

IGN Ishana Damari

N/A

28 Mar 2007 at 05:27 - 37

probally crying out loud that she/he spent 100K+250e for an embrace to show off...now no one want the exchanged tormented items...no one buying gems.....the gloomed shield now become doom shield....100k can get a req9 inscribable............

whatever the reason.......move on

u dont need money to beat the game.......but u need money to show off

Gem set at 50k

what a great deal ^__^!

Drew Almighty ll

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Ronse, Belgium

Blade Of Soulds[DVDF]

Mo/

28 Mar 2007 at 12:09 - 38

Me again...

Still , Titan Gems go for 50k each in EURO Districts so the price is still high even if DoA exists for 3 months now, a lot of people make cash of it, a lot even.

I guess I have to live with it

and I hope that GW 2 will arange that

Greetz

Sakura Haruno

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Secret xD

Xen Of Heroes [XoO] The fabled XoO Alliance!

A/E

28 Mar 2007 at 20:31 - 39

titans go for 60k in amer o.o

kyoshirou

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Cavalon

IGN Ishana Damari

N/A

28 Mar 2007 at 22:23 - 40

fastest way to get rich is not by farming (of course unless u do it with fun n enjoying the farming process.)

Is Trading.
eg. bought mini ghostly at 400e -> Resell it 450<->500e

. To ppl who wish to show off at LA with "I Owned a Leet Item Syndrome / Come Worship Me".

For those who farm alot of titan gems....in the end....they will faced with competition(as more n more ppl having titian gems) n starts to lower their prices.....

As for UW/FoW weekend.....my friend rack up to 75e at 7keach

sold all ecto 75e at 8.5k each to someone who need 100e.

Do the math