After this weekend (which was the best weekend idea I've seen since playing GW) I've changed my mind on the way favo(u)r works. I was in the "abolish PvP deciding who can gain access". Being able to access these areas anytime, and for free didn't feel right. While I was in the UW I could still see messages saying such a team had gained us favor and it struck me that it took away that element totally.
I know most of those people in PvE don't care about favor and are doing it for themselves, but they must still get a sense of satisfaction when they earn it back for their area. I've also enjoyed conversations with people whilst watching the messages about favor come up, cheering on "our boys (and girls)" when they get a win.
At the same time, it can be frustrating not getting into UW/FoW when you really need to, so, I'm now in the "give those with favor access for less money". Charging those without something like 3k to access and those with 1k to gain access would be better imo.
What you think?
BTW > This is not a suggestion thread, I'm discussing how this weekend event has made me feel.
Cheers.
Aftermath of the free UW/FoW weekend ... I've changed my mind
Vandal2k6
Xenex Xclame
How about if you have favor its free?
I mean if your area has favor the gods are pleased with you , and don't really req a offering, cause your area has already rewarded the gods with a nice victory.
I mean if your area has favor the gods are pleased with you , and don't really req a offering, cause your area has already rewarded the gods with a nice victory.
Robin_Anadri
My feeling is that they should change it from favor to having completed Hell's Precipace, and be available whenever you want it provided you meet that critera, like DOA is for NF people.
Malice Black
I disagree with free 24/7 access, always have, always will. I expect however with the release of GW:EN it will become free 24/7
I had no real feeling whilst I was down there for a short period except "wow, haven't been in here for 6 months, hasn't changed a bit" I left shortly after that.
I had no real feeling whilst I was down there for a short period except "wow, haven't been in here for 6 months, hasn't changed a bit" I left shortly after that.
Series
Free with favor, 1k without. That's the best solution IMO.
Xenex Xclame
@ Robin :
Try to comment on Vandal's idea not suggest yours, I'm pretty sure we have heard it before ( not being rude , just saying you are likely to already have said it somewhere else)
Cause your suggestion doesn't fit in with what he is talking about in any way, except that they are both about FoW/UW
Edit : If we do go the free with favor one, i think the price for when you don't have favor should be raised, maybe 3K and don't say its a lot cause 3K divided by 8 people is 375G which is nothing really.
Try to comment on Vandal's idea not suggest yours, I'm pretty sure we have heard it before ( not being rude , just saying you are likely to already have said it somewhere else)
Cause your suggestion doesn't fit in with what he is talking about in any way, except that they are both about FoW/UW
Edit : If we do go the free with favor one, i think the price for when you don't have favor should be raised, maybe 3K and don't say its a lot cause 3K divided by 8 people is 375G which is nothing really.
Bankai
Free with favor, 8k without.
Mohnzh
I didn't get a chance to take advantage of the free access. Yeah, yeah, sad, sure. But I think I agree with Vandal, gives me mixed feelings. Not a big PvPer, but I still like to follow who has control and root on my region. The only drawback is if there are underrepresented countries that never get control. What then? On the other hand, what would 24/7 access do to the market?
arcanemacabre
This weekend event made me realize two things:
1) How much I hate UW, because it's so darn boring, and the five times we went through it were five times too many.
2) How unbelievably relieved most of Japan, Korea, and Taiwan must be finally getting a chance to experience those two areas. I guarantee many of them went apesh** buying as many ecto and shards as they could to finally get a chance at some Obsidian armor. They must feel royally screwed most of the time, if they choose to stay within their region
Oh wait, one more thing:
3) They're not elite areas, they're endgame areas. I have more fun in the Jade Sea, Echovald Forest, Desolation, and Torment than I do in FoW or UW. All are relatively endgame areas, all are about the same difficulty, and all are free to access all the time. Oh wait, I don't get ectos or shards in those areas. <<I don't care!>>
Sorry, but Favor always hits a sore spot with me, and I actually like PvP. I just don't like HA, never will, not interested in some gimmick-heavy metagame. Same reason I don't do "Tombs runs". It's a really good idea, turned really bad because of a major community separation that has been happening since release. Anet is slowly acknowledging the crowbar separation, and maybe with a little luck, and a lot of time, there will finally be a PvP-independant access to anything PvE.
P.S. Before anyone brings this up, because I know someone will (they always do), Favor has nothing to do with the lore. Why, you ask? Simple question: Point out to me where in the lore it speaks of Europe, America, Japan, Korea, etc. If you can do that, then yes, Favor is in the lore.
1) How much I hate UW, because it's so darn boring, and the five times we went through it were five times too many.
2) How unbelievably relieved most of Japan, Korea, and Taiwan must be finally getting a chance to experience those two areas. I guarantee many of them went apesh** buying as many ecto and shards as they could to finally get a chance at some Obsidian armor. They must feel royally screwed most of the time, if they choose to stay within their region
Oh wait, one more thing:
3) They're not elite areas, they're endgame areas. I have more fun in the Jade Sea, Echovald Forest, Desolation, and Torment than I do in FoW or UW. All are relatively endgame areas, all are about the same difficulty, and all are free to access all the time. Oh wait, I don't get ectos or shards in those areas. <<I don't care!>>
Sorry, but Favor always hits a sore spot with me, and I actually like PvP. I just don't like HA, never will, not interested in some gimmick-heavy metagame. Same reason I don't do "Tombs runs". It's a really good idea, turned really bad because of a major community separation that has been happening since release. Anet is slowly acknowledging the crowbar separation, and maybe with a little luck, and a lot of time, there will finally be a PvP-independant access to anything PvE.
P.S. Before anyone brings this up, because I know someone will (they always do), Favor has nothing to do with the lore. Why, you ask? Simple question: Point out to me where in the lore it speaks of Europe, America, Japan, Korea, etc. If you can do that, then yes, Favor is in the lore.
Why?
Basing a PvE element on PvP is just plain dumb.
I like how it was the best weekend you've ever had, yet you don't want to be able to do it whenever you want.
PvP & PvE need to be completely seperate.
I like how it was the best weekend you've ever had, yet you don't want to be able to do it whenever you want.
PvP & PvE need to be completely seperate.
Xenex Xclame
Well i don't think the market would get affected that much, you do still have to have some skill to be able to do FoW/UW so yes we would probably get lots of people down there, but then again a bunch will just not be able to kill anything.
Master Ketsu
I disagree with 24/7 access, but I also disagree with having favor.
Its been restated and proven many times: NO ONE In HA cares about favor. Favor should be based on PvE mission scores instead of what goes on in the hall of heroes. Anet should have switched the favor system to be dependent on something else the day we started seeing more people in HA international then any other district, because right then it no longer mattered.
Its been restated and proven many times: NO ONE In HA cares about favor. Favor should be based on PvE mission scores instead of what goes on in the hall of heroes. Anet should have switched the favor system to be dependent on something else the day we started seeing more people in HA international then any other district, because right then it no longer mattered.
savage vapor 33
I agree with not having favor in a small way. It was nice this weekend to just go in solo and make an actual nice profit without having to substitute the 1k you had to pay in the beginning.
What about having luxon+kurzick decide the fate of favor? It changes so often, and it will make AB+Aspenwood, and maybe even Jade! more meaningful? Just a thought, don't bash to hard.
What about having luxon+kurzick decide the fate of favor? It changes so often, and it will make AB+Aspenwood, and maybe even Jade! more meaningful? Just a thought, don't bash to hard.
Kotetsu Rain
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Free with favor, 8k without.
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Gusnana1412
Could be a solution:
Make UW and FoW weekend permanent schedule once every month or once every 2 months and keep the current UW and FoW favor system.
But keep the 1000 gold (1k) fee to enter~
Make UW and FoW weekend permanent schedule once every month or once every 2 months and keep the current UW and FoW favor system.
But keep the 1000 gold (1k) fee to enter~
Xenex Xclame
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I agree with not having favor in a small way. It was nice this weekend to just go in solo and make an actual nice profit without having to substitute the 1k you had to pay in the beginning.
What about having luxon+kurzick decide the fate of favor? It changes so often, and it will make AB+Aspenwood, and maybe even Jade! more meaningful? Just a thought, don't bash to hard. |
The battles Isles belong to no continent and its because of that,that HA can affect the favor system.
Nice idea tho.
Mordakai
I went to FoW once, our party was wiped, and that was that.
If you're not getting Ectos or Shards, I don't see the point.
If you're not getting Ectos or Shards, I don't see the point.
Frostlight
How about favor among the three continents then. Expand the alliance system to indicate your allegiance for Tyrian and Elonian nations. Mixed teams would go by the majority birthplace of the characters, etc.
Just an idea...
Just an idea...
havok019
I've been playing this GW since shortly after it came out. I went into UW once with a group of 8, we aggroed both sides and we were back out in about .2 sec. I never bothered with UW/FoW after that.
This weekend was great! Without worrying about the cash and having plenty of people to join up with, I spent a large part of the last three days in FoW...for the first time! I learned a lot about this game that I didn't know before, got a decent pile of loot, my first shards and ecto and a couple nice golds. Basically, I had a blast and I'm really looking forward to spending a lot more time in this area of the game that I had completely ignored in the past.
Thanks Anet!
This weekend was great! Without worrying about the cash and having plenty of people to join up with, I spent a large part of the last three days in FoW...for the first time! I learned a lot about this game that I didn't know before, got a decent pile of loot, my first shards and ecto and a couple nice golds. Basically, I had a blast and I'm really looking forward to spending a lot more time in this area of the game that I had completely ignored in the past.
Thanks Anet!
killercroc
I went once through the weekend got 1 ecto and went to sleep lol was pretty boring
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Bryant Again
I kind of like Favor, kind of don't. Being able to "cheer on" is kinda cool, but I don't like how it's dividing. Guild Wars is competitive enough as it is. That said, favor is very broken. Taiwan, Korea and Japan never get favor because of 1. Not enough interest, 2. Very few players. So, I don't want Favor to limit access, I just want it to determine the price of getting in, which is something a lot of people are agreeing with right now.
Zorglubb
This weekend was very nice indeed. Another thing that would be nice would be to allow 7 heroes.
I mimicked that by entering with 3 heroes and someone else with 3 heroes, he then left and I was with 6 heroes in FoW for all day, and for the first time I could do the quests!
The best part is that it wasn't such a marathon anyway, heroes did not whine when I went AFK for several hours at times. Doing it with a human party, even friends, would have been damn near impossible. Heroes allowed to stretch things over a lot longer with long gameplay interruptions.
I mimicked that by entering with 3 heroes and someone else with 3 heroes, he then left and I was with 6 heroes in FoW for all day, and for the first time I could do the quests!
The best part is that it wasn't such a marathon anyway, heroes did not whine when I went AFK for several hours at times. Doing it with a human party, even friends, would have been damn near impossible. Heroes allowed to stretch things over a lot longer with long gameplay interruptions.
Sk8tborderx
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I went to FoW once, our party was wiped, and that was that.
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Bread Fan
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Its been restated and proven many times: NO ONE In HA cares about favor. |
MirageMaster
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Some people (like myself) like to go and clear 100% of those areas quests included for fun. The loot is just a bonus, I find the quests fun and they give good xp, but since America barely has favor, I am not usually awake when we have favor, or I am not going to be up long enough to clear.
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Xp is pointless.
I like the idea of no fee when got favor.
/signed.
Btw,why do we have to pay to someone who we provide service to?O_o its really pissing me off.Its like saying in the shop:Hey, I'd like some beer and give me 1k for me taking it.From what i think,Balthasar or Grenth should pay us for doing their dirty work!And i dont want to hear about goldsinks!Farmers already dont care for 1k but to us poor ppl its still huge minus!
Master Ketsu
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Actually you are completely wrong. When I played HA (back before 6v6) my guild and I enjoyed getting favor for america knowing that Europe suffered from lack of access to fow/uw. It was gratifying because in the back of your mind you know you are pleasing some people as well as pissing off others.
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ChaoticCoyote
In light of this past weekend's event, I must reluctantly admit...
...I'm no longer in "favor" of allowing 24/7 open access to FoW and UW.
For one thing, it would ruin how "special" these place are.
Also: Well, I'm probably not interested in spendign much time in FoW and UW anymore anyway. I managed to take the real world family into both realms, where we explored and looted to our hearts' content. Since no one here cares to grind for FoW armor, there's really no more reason to go.
So I rescind my previous vocal request for universal access to UW and FoW.
...I'm no longer in "favor" of allowing 24/7 open access to FoW and UW.
For one thing, it would ruin how "special" these place are.
Also: Well, I'm probably not interested in spendign much time in FoW and UW anymore anyway. I managed to take the real world family into both realms, where we explored and looted to our hearts' content. Since no one here cares to grind for FoW armor, there's really no more reason to go.
So I rescind my previous vocal request for universal access to UW and FoW.
Samuel Dravis
I liked this weekend. I figure if they did it where if your area doesn't have favor, you pay the 1k or something that would be good enough. Simply being able to do FoW/UW in International was the best thing though; I really loved that.
gene terrodon
Don't fix it, because it isn't broke...
Remove the favor system and...
Ecto and shard prices will plummet or the drop rate will be ridiculously low, lower than now, causing the prices to skyrocket. Either way, it will not be good for the economy.
The sense of accomplishment in getting FOW armor (for the non-ebayers) will be lost.
If you want the armor, spend the time amassing the money and materials...work for something instead of asking someone to give it to you.
Before I get flamed off the page, I have no FOW armor on any character, although I would like it for my Dervish and Paragon.
I am a casual player, who would really benefit from open access, but do not agree with having it implemented.
Remove the favor system and...
Ecto and shard prices will plummet or the drop rate will be ridiculously low, lower than now, causing the prices to skyrocket. Either way, it will not be good for the economy.
The sense of accomplishment in getting FOW armor (for the non-ebayers) will be lost.
If you want the armor, spend the time amassing the money and materials...work for something instead of asking someone to give it to you.
Before I get flamed off the page, I have no FOW armor on any character, although I would like it for my Dervish and Paragon.
I am a casual player, who would really benefit from open access, but do not agree with having it implemented.
Jetdoc
I agree...I was "on the edge" about removing the favor system, but I concur that allowing access 24/7 kind of cheapens the special nature of these areas.
I do like the idea of allowing free access if you have favor, and charging a decent fee for times where you do not.
I do like the idea of allowing free access if you have favor, and charging a decent fee for times where you do not.
VanDamselx
This weekend was annoying for one reason: too many bad groups. I always got a 55 monk that was just testing the waters in UW and would head back out in 2 seconds. However, it was nice because I wasn't losing anything in the long run. I got 5 ecto with my guildie which was very nice.
I think maybe something that would be cool with favor is instead of doing territories around the world, it should be something within your own territory. Maybe there could be factions (not like Luxon or Kurzick) that you could side with and do the same thing with HA and if your faction wins in HoH, then you have favor. They could keep it so you could only switch 5 times or whatever, so you can't just jump around. This way it isn't complete open access and maybe favor could get tossed around more often. I used to do HA often with an old guild that broke up before it was 6v6. I can honestly say that we did not care hardly one bit about favor. The only gratifying thing was seeing our guild name show up and say "... has won a battle in the Hall of Heroes and kept the favor of the Gods for America"
I think maybe something that would be cool with favor is instead of doing territories around the world, it should be something within your own territory. Maybe there could be factions (not like Luxon or Kurzick) that you could side with and do the same thing with HA and if your faction wins in HoH, then you have favor. They could keep it so you could only switch 5 times or whatever, so you can't just jump around. This way it isn't complete open access and maybe favor could get tossed around more often. I used to do HA often with an old guild that broke up before it was 6v6. I can honestly say that we did not care hardly one bit about favor. The only gratifying thing was seeing our guild name show up and say "... has won a battle in the Hall of Heroes and kept the favor of the Gods for America"
Firebaall
I can't think of a more fair solution than the "1K to get in, when you don't have favour, and free access when you do".
If Anet is actually listening to the masses, this seems to be the best balance of the options that are being suggested by the public.
Think of the poor Japanese! "Ecto what"? they say.... lol
If Anet is actually listening to the masses, this seems to be the best balance of the options that are being suggested by the public.
Think of the poor Japanese! "Ecto what"? they say.... lol
bobrath
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Ecto and shard prices will plummet or the drop rate will be ridiculously low, lower than now, causing the prices to skyrocket. Either way, it will not be good for the economy.
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Did any of the folks that normally trade in ectos/shards notice if this weekend disrupted the prices on those materials? I'd be interested to know how this blip affected the market.
Personally, I think having favor control the cost of the area is a great idea (and one I've espoused a number of times in other threads). 1k w/ favor, 8k w/o favor would be peachy. Lets anyone in that wants to, but still keeps favor as a "viable" affect in the game.
I'm not sure why folks don't like gold sinks. They're needed, and there's only so much beer and bean cakes that I can bear!
HolyHawk
If you look at casual players, this weekend was pretty nice. To be able to access the area when they can and want. I do not mind if they write a script to make fee 1k per person, so farmers be happy paying 2k, and full teams pay 8k (money doesn't even make sense in the first place, what services do the Gods need to pay?). I also think about japan and taiwan; I've seen each getting favor once in life. It sux privating them from enjoying these areas.
HawkofStorms
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Did any of the folks that normally trade in ectos/shards notice if this weekend disrupted the prices on those materials? I'd be interested to know how this blip affected the market. |
Ecto and shard prices almost doubled (ectos up to 15k, shards up to 4.2k) though right around the time Asian countries started coming online on Sunday morning.
Shmanka
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Actually you are completely wrong. When I played HA (back before 6v6) my guild and I enjoyed getting favor for america knowing that Europe suffered from lack of access to fow/uw. It was gratifying because in the back of your mind you know you are pleasing some people as well as pissing off others.
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Thats nice, you felt a little satisfaction in taking favor away. Although trust me its not often the common PvE'er PM's the team that wins halls and thanks them.
HoH is a dead king of the hill match with its own rewards, why is it in charge of FoW/UW?
Kate Soulguard
I was delighted to finally be able to meet with my guildmates and enter UW/FOW at a reasonable hour. I was able to bring friends who had never gone in before, we were able to proceed at a leisurely pace (when we weren't being eaten by aatxes and shadow creatures). I was able to see parts of the game that I had never seen before due to time constraints. And if we wiped or started in an uncoordinated manner we were able to re-enter without fear of having to rush because we were about to lose favor. I never cared about the cost of entry. 1k, free, whatever - it's all kind of meaningless to me. What I always cared about was being able to go to those areas with my friends when it was convenient for me, and I was sad to see such a fun weekend come to an end.
Contrary to some who have reversed their opinion, I am even more convinced now of the need for reform than I was when I contributed to the marathon post created by Rene Saliere some weeks ago. The sheer number of players in American ToA speaks volumes about the need for some kind of change in the way those areas are accessed. I am very curious what our counterparts in Japan, Taiwan, and Korea thought about the event.
It does need to be said, however: whether or not ArenaNet sees fit to make a change, I will always be thankful that they were kind enough to do this for us.
So... thank you very much ArenaNet! I had a fantastic time this weekend, and one that I will not soon forget.
Contrary to some who have reversed their opinion, I am even more convinced now of the need for reform than I was when I contributed to the marathon post created by Rene Saliere some weeks ago. The sheer number of players in American ToA speaks volumes about the need for some kind of change in the way those areas are accessed. I am very curious what our counterparts in Japan, Taiwan, and Korea thought about the event.
It does need to be said, however: whether or not ArenaNet sees fit to make a change, I will always be thankful that they were kind enough to do this for us.
So... thank you very much ArenaNet! I had a fantastic time this weekend, and one that I will not soon forget.
Haggard
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I've been playing this GW since shortly after it came out. I went into UW once with a group of 8, we aggroed both sides and we were back out in about .2 sec. I never bothered with UW/FoW after that.
This weekend was great! Without worrying about the cash and having plenty of people to join up with, I spent a large part of the last three days in FoW...for the first time! I learned a lot about this game that I didn't know before, got a decent pile of loot, my first shards and ecto and a couple nice golds. Basically, I had a blast and I'm really looking forward to spending a lot more time in this area of the game that I had completely ignored in the past. Thanks Anet! |
What else is there to do between campaigns?
Racthoh
I finally got the FoW with some of my guildies over in Europe through the international districts, good fun.
If the "special" feeling is gone, how about favor determining whether or not ectos and shards can drop so those among us who like to spend 3-5 hours in one area for 100k experience can still do so at any time of the day? It wasn't a race against the clock to form a group either; no more biting our nails as we watched favor slip from a region.
If the "special" feeling is gone, how about favor determining whether or not ectos and shards can drop so those among us who like to spend 3-5 hours in one area for 100k experience can still do so at any time of the day? It wasn't a race against the clock to form a group either; no more biting our nails as we watched favor slip from a region.
Rene Saliere
Yeah, Kate's right, we should thank ANet for the weekend.
So... *deep breath*... THANKS!
Now... back to logging in and out of GW until Favour comes to my server. Warcraft III on Battlenet passes the time nicely.
So... *deep breath*... THANKS!
Now... back to logging in and out of GW until Favour comes to my server. Warcraft III on Battlenet passes the time nicely.