I like the idea of Hard Mode. It will give players chance to do lot of stuff they did before once again.
The thing that worries me is decrease in dificulty in Normal Mode. I think it is very unfair to older PvE players.
This difficulty decrease will cheapen titles achieved so far. I don't talk only about Protector titles. Of course theese are affected the most (anyone who ever swear at Thunderhead Keep or Gate of Madness know what I mean).
It will also affect the GMC title. Especially GMC of Tyria (since you had to explore during missions).
I don't know yet if it will work in all the areas or only during missions. If it works everywher then all my GMC titles can go to hell. It wasn't only about going with one arm scrapped and bruised by the nearest wall. Sometimes it required fighting through lot of enemies (Sothern SPeaks).
Also it will cause more players to do "chest runs" as they were easier in high content areas. This affects Wisdom and Trasure Hunter titles.
Since there is lot of players who are only PvP oriented, I will give you a comparision: It is like introducing fame points in Random Arenas.
I wich I could be more articulate, because I can't even describe how disapointed I am.
Maybe it is time to start playing other games, where loyal players are rewarded instead of robbed.
Is Hard Mode destoying my current achievements ?
MarcinJ13
Knightsaber Sith
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Beyond all of that, we've also realized during the course of development that these changes give us the ability to rebalance several things in Normal Mode that players have found too challenging or unpleasant. For example, we're altering the death explosions of the Afflicted creatures in Factions, creature distribution in particularly difficult areas, monsters scattering away from area of effect spells, and healer creatures running from melee attackers indefinitely. We've also decided to add a number of PvE-only Sunspear skills, which will be available to players through both Normal and Hard Mode.
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We'll have to wait to see the list of everything they changed, but I don't think it'll be that big of a deal.
Orphan Anthem
if you think that the hard mode will cheapen your current titles then just let the update go un-noticed, for the rest of us it will be something fun and challanging to do.
Seriously fun things to do>vanity any day of the week
Seriously fun things to do>vanity any day of the week
MirageMaster
damn i am sick of this shit.its hard enough in torment to do quest, i dont need this crap to be 3 times as hard.
Knightsaber Sith
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damn i am sick of this shit.its hard enough in torment to do quest, i dont need this crap to be 3 times as hard.
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Corinthian
I don't understand. How does it cheapen the cartographer title?
If I got it correctly, it goes like this: Everything will stay as it is, but if you want, you can make things harder for yourself.
If I got it correctly, it goes like this: Everything will stay as it is, but if you want, you can make things harder for yourself.
Knightsaber Sith
^Read what I quoted from Gaile in the second post.
Corinthian
Ohhh...
Time to get me a cartographer title!!!
Smart people wait until opportunity presents itself.
Time to get me a cartographer title!!!
Smart people wait until opportunity presents itself.
Cebe
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To me, it doesn't sound like they're making it too terribly easier.
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Sophitia Leafblade
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Aye, From what Gaile says it sounds to me as though they're removing some of the "Just to piss you off..." factor a lot of mobs have like the monks continually kiting. They're GOING to die in the end...and by kiting they're just delaying the inevitable. Normal mode will just have some of the annoyance factor removed while hard mode will be more interesting and challenging. Least that's what it sounds like to me.
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Tetris L
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The thing that worries me is decrease in dificulty in Normal Mode. I think it is very unfair to older PvE players.
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Wildi
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..The thing that worries me is decrease in dificulty in Normal Mode..
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they will alter death explosions of the afflicted creatures and fix the crazy mofo endless running away thing from area of effect spells
Arduin
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What's wrong with people? No matter what ANet change, some people will always find a reason to whine about it. Even if ANet improve something or fix an obvious flaw, often by popular demand, some people will still complain about it, asking for some kind of refund for all the "hard work" they had to put into dealing with the problem until it was "nerfed". I'm so sick of this.
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Da Silva Fox
Well the adjustments to the mob scatter should help those of us that like a small farm now again 
Etta
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Can't people just play the game and be done with it?
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Thallandor
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What's wrong with people? No matter what ANet change, some people will always find a reason to whine about it. Even if ANet improve something or fix an obvious flaw, often by popular demand, some people will still complain about it, asking for some kind of refund for all the "hard work" they had to put into dealing with the problem until it was "nerfed". I'm so sick of this.
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prism2525
will 55hp monks be seen farming elona reach & the troll cave outside droks again in normal mode since they're changing the mobs' behaviour to AoE?
Wildi
mobs won't stand in aoe and do nothing but anet wil adjust their AI or someting I guess, plz stop the omg we will all die posts
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Oh my !!!!
This made me larrf out loud and everyone in my office is now giving me funny looks.
edit - I had to come back to look at this again - I can really hear the voices of the characters saying it as well.
Im laughing again.
Onarik Amrak
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NeHoMaR
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they do NOT decrease difficulty in normal mode
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Rhedd
As someone who just finished my Canthan GMC title, I'm not worried at all.
From what Gaile said, it sounds like the changes they're making to "normal" mode will simply undo some of the rather unpopular recent updates, which I'd welcome.
Well, that and the Afflicted explosion thing, which always was a horrible idea. I always felt sorry for the brand-new Assassin class, in particular.
"Welcome, Assassin! You're a melee glass cannon. Oh, did we mention the world is entirely populated by things that explode when you kill them? Have fun!" ^_^
From what Gaile said, it sounds like the changes they're making to "normal" mode will simply undo some of the rather unpopular recent updates, which I'd welcome.
Well, that and the Afflicted explosion thing, which always was a horrible idea. I always felt sorry for the brand-new Assassin class, in particular.
"Welcome, Assassin! You're a melee glass cannon. Oh, did we mention the world is entirely populated by things that explode when you kill them? Have fun!" ^_^
Shanaeri Rynale
Of more interest are how the 'no one will lose titles' quote from Gaile will balance with the supposed maxing of lightbringer that Hard mode will bring.
Now, AN may make it easier(e.g 3 points per kill) to get LB 8 in hardmode, or they will create a super leet LB rank of 9. which may cause people who have max LB title now to lose KoBD/PKM etc and I guess the final option is it was a title mix up and it was only Sunspear that has another level to it.
If LB rank is set to 9, there's going to be some cheesed off people who are going to have to kill a load more stuff to get their PKM back.
Now, AN may make it easier(e.g 3 points per kill) to get LB 8 in hardmode, or they will create a super leet LB rank of 9. which may cause people who have max LB title now to lose KoBD/PKM etc and I guess the final option is it was a title mix up and it was only Sunspear that has another level to it.
If LB rank is set to 9, there's going to be some cheesed off people who are going to have to kill a load more stuff to get their PKM back.
Death Dafire
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EternalTempest
Waiting for the farmers to complain about the better drop rate with hard mode and not being able to solo it as well as normal mode... that being said
Normal = Same with some tweaks of the annoying stuff
Hard = Challenging area with more rewards
You still keep your "Protector" titles, just can go after the "Guardian" titles as a Lvl 2.
I'm looking forward to this change, especially being a fire ele that doesn't use echo/arcane echo.
There was a method where you can go afk, and let your hero/hench kill things endlessly that gave LB points. They closed the loop hole but some people did reach max rank.
Some people got lucky, others are calling for removing there higher ranks.
Normal = Same with some tweaks of the annoying stuff
Hard = Challenging area with more rewards
You still keep your "Protector" titles, just can go after the "Guardian" titles as a Lvl 2.
I'm looking forward to this change, especially being a fire ele that doesn't use echo/arcane echo.
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What do you mean by this? Lightbringer is already able to be maxed..
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Some people got lucky, others are calling for removing there higher ranks.
unienaule
Here's a key fact: None of the PvE titles mean anything, not even survivor. Yay, you managed to not die against enemies that always use the same set of skills EVERY SINGLE TIME. Or worse, you farmed stupid mobs/leeched off of people/paid to get xp. That sure is impressive. Cartographer, woo, you can run around the map. Mission completion? I got 14 masters in Elona the weekend it came out, and I wasn't going for any of them on purpose. Skill Hunter? That just means you spent a crapload of time capping elites you're never going to use. So, cheapening the titles? Give me a break. Fixing monster AI, and the only thing you can say is that the titles get cheaper? Amazing. I won't even mention Lightbringer and Sunspear because those don't mean anything either since they're both grindfests. The only people who would think that these titles mean something are those who think doing the same thing repeatedly over and over again shows skill. It doesn't.
I can't believe I almost forgot the one use these titles do have, e-peen. That's it.
I can't believe I almost forgot the one use these titles do have, e-peen. That's it.
Mavrik
so when do we get the two modes? I'll welcome them because I'm tired of all these "just to piss you off" things that happen all the time.
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Here's a key fact: None of the PvE titles mean anything, not even survivor. Yay, you managed to not die against enemies that always use the same set of skills EVERY SINGLE TIME. Or worse, you farmed stupid mobs/leeched off of people/paid to get xp. That sure is impressive. Cartographer, woo, you can run around the map. Mission completion? I got 14 masters in Elona the weekend it came out, and I wasn't going for any of them on purpose. Skill Hunter? That just means you spent a crapload of time capping elites you're never going to use. So, cheapening the titles? Give me a break. Fixing monster AI, and the only thing you can say is that the titles get cheaper? Amazing. I won't even mention Lightbringer and Sunspear because those don't mean anything either since they're both grindfests. The only people who would think that these titles mean something are those who think doing the same thing repeatedly over and over again shows skill. It doesn't.
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2. There is really nothing better to distinguish PvE skill in this game than some of the titles. If someone has Grandmaster Cartographer or Protector or Skill Hunter, you know at the very least they've been there, done that. You can trust their skills to an extent, moreso than the guy displaying 60% Cartographer or some low title like that.
They're not definite showcases of skill, but they're the best we have, same as rank in HA.
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Reminds of the first big nerf when all the Fire Ele's couldn't solo farm anymore, rage and rage and rage on.
cosyfiep
agrhghhh.....just wait for it to come out and all your questions will be answered!! well most of them probably.....
SalazarTheGreat
I do agree with unienaule- the titles are meaningless. They Don't Really show much skill, except for the protecter titles, and having survivor or GMC doesn't show ur a good PvE'er. 've only played for 6 months, have very few titles, but i still get complements on my PvE ele work, regardless of my titles. BUT what they do show is that you put the time in too do something, like stay alive forever or explore everyplace, and that is why the titles are actually in the game. (see drunkard and sweet tooth- those have no point other then what is stated above.)
Rakeman
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I do agree with unienaule- the titles are meaningless. They Don't Really show much skill, except for the protecter titles, and having survivor or GMC doesn't show ur a good PvE'er. 've only played for 6 months, have very few titles, but i still get complements on my PvE ele work, regardless of my titles. BUT what they do show is that you put the time in too do something, like stay alive forever or explore everyplace, and that is why the titles are actually in the game. (see drunkard and sweet tooth- those have no point other then what is stated above.)
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Lord-UWR
The OP should REALLY pay more attention to details...
Gaile, as well as the GW official wiki states that Hard Mode will decrease the difficulty of SOME AREAS ONLY. The example given was the explosion of The afflicted in Cantha, and also the Vizunah Square + Unwalking Waters missions. There was no mention of Area Nerfs (wow, I never thought I'd say that ^.^) in Tyria. PLEASE READ CAREFULLY FOR ONCE, and keep opinions such as this to yourselfs until it is released.
Gaile, as well as the GW official wiki states that Hard Mode will decrease the difficulty of SOME AREAS ONLY. The example given was the explosion of The afflicted in Cantha, and also the Vizunah Square + Unwalking Waters missions. There was no mention of Area Nerfs (wow, I never thought I'd say that ^.^) in Tyria. PLEASE READ CAREFULLY FOR ONCE, and keep opinions such as this to yourselfs until it is released.
wetsparks
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Here's a key fact: None of the PvE titles mean anything, not even survivor. Yay, you managed to not die against enemies that always use the same set of skills EVERY SINGLE TIME. Or worse, you farmed stupid mobs/leeched off of people/paid to get xp. That sure is impressive. Cartographer, woo, you can run around the map. Mission completion? I got 14 masters in Elona the weekend it came out, and I wasn't going for any of them on purpose. Skill Hunter? That just means you spent a crapload of time capping elites you're never going to use. So, cheapening the titles? Give me a break. Fixing monster AI, and the only thing you can say is that the titles get cheaper? Amazing. I won't even mention Lightbringer and Sunspear because those don't mean anything either since they're both grindfests. The only people who would think that these titles mean something are those who think doing the same thing repeatedly over and over again shows skill. It doesn't.
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Knightsaber Sith
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The only people who would think that these titles mean something are those who think doing the same thing repeatedly over and over again shows skill. It doesn't.
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Kook~NBK~
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Here's a key fact: None of the PvE titles mean anything, not even survivor. Yay, you managed to not die against enemies that always use the same set of skills EVERY SINGLE TIME. Or worse, you farmed stupid mobs/leeched off of people/paid to get xp. That sure is impressive. Cartographer, woo, you can run around the map. Mission completion? I got 14 masters in Elona the weekend it came out, and I wasn't going for any of them on purpose. Skill Hunter? That just means you spent a crapload of time capping elites you're never going to use. So, cheapening the titles? Give me a break. Fixing monster AI, and the only thing you can say is that the titles get cheaper? Amazing. I won't even mention Lightbringer and Sunspear because those don't mean anything either since they're both grindfests. The only people who would think that these titles mean something are those who think doing the same thing repeatedly over and over again shows skill. It doesn't.
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Any title a person goes for is going to have meaning to that person. Most people could care less about what other people think about the titles they're working for. And what holds value for 1 person may not hold that same value for someone else. And as for how easy titles are to get, yeah, most, both PvE and PvP, have easy ways to get them (IWAY, anyone?). But what you CAN'T know is how someone came about getting their title, so don't be too quick to judge. You could make the case that ANY title in the game (PvE or PvP) are meaningless, because they will be to someone.
Rhedd
Actually, since I've completed my Canthan GMC title, I've noticed a slight increase in the size of my REAL LIFE penis!
I can only imagine what would happen if I got Kind of a Big Deal!
Go ahead. Try to prove I'm lying. ^_^
I can only imagine what would happen if I got Kind of a Big Deal!
Go ahead. Try to prove I'm lying. ^_^
undeadgun
FFS, no more PvP vs PvE, gezzzzzz
and LoLz@ Rhedd, i feel the same after i got my tyrian GM cantha GM and elona GM on 3 of my diff chars
and LoLz@ Rhedd, i feel the same after i got my tyrian GM cantha GM and elona GM on 3 of my diff chars
arcanemacabre
I agree with unienaule for the most part, except that yeah, PvP titles are on the same level as the PvE ones. The only real things they require is time and dedication. You have a maxxed title? That means you applied time and dedication to that aspect of the game, nothing more.
However, there are a few reasons to go for a title. One, is of course the classic e-peen BS. Another reason is a personal goal. The titles add another in-game goal to keep people who like goals from getting bored. Titles are also a unique way to RP, too. I am currently trying to get Sweet Tooth on my female warrior because it fits her personality. My Ranger has Survivor because it fits his personality/backstory. Personally, I only go for titles as an RP thing, which kinda in turn is a personal goal.
However, there are a few reasons to go for a title. One, is of course the classic e-peen BS. Another reason is a personal goal. The titles add another in-game goal to keep people who like goals from getting bored. Titles are also a unique way to RP, too. I am currently trying to get Sweet Tooth on my female warrior because it fits her personality. My Ranger has Survivor because it fits his personality/backstory. Personally, I only go for titles as an RP thing, which kinda in turn is a personal goal.
Metalmaster
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Can you say "Flame bait?" (and from a moderator, too.)
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2 unienaule and others who think that any titles mean anything - check Services section here, on guru.