Will Anet finally upgrade the Storage? (Or will we just have no space for EON?)

Phantom Flux

Phantom Flux

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Join Date: Nov 2006

New York City

Phantom Flux (FLUX)

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I've got 11 pves, each with atleast 3 sets of 15k armor. However my assassin has seven sets. W/E, yeah, yeah. I love collecting expensive armor for my characters. Armor is actually what keeps me motivated in this game. Along that the special greens for them. Clearly this has taken up so much storage. I would love to get FOW for my sin, but it's ugly (yet I'd still get it) and I can't because there's no room.

So here's the question. How does anet expect us to enjoy Eye of the Norths new armor sets if they don't plan on making some extra organized room for them? I know there's other things that need room (such as the useless, yet cute mini pets.) Not many players wish to buy an extra character slot just to mule things over, plus players have already mentioned there's a bug.

So is Anet gonna make room so we can enjoy the new stuff they wish to present to us in Eye of The North or do we just say, "Screw EON, got no room for it?"

VitisVinifera

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

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I'll pop in here before this probably gets locked (that's just how the mods are here)

I think they see limited storage as a way to get people to buy more keys and slots. There's no reason they can't add a pouch or a few rows, or an inventory tab.

We know they spend hours upon hours discussing the most finite detail on minipet behavior, so it's not like they don't have the time.

Clinically Proven

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

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More storage is ftw

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Dont buy so much armor?

More storage would be nice. But seriously, how can you blame ANET for making new armor sets and not giving you more storage when you've clearly have played beyond the norm. 3 sets for each character and 7 for one?!?

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Maybe they'll give more char slots with Eye of the North, even though there's no new professions...?

But yeah, buy less armor. Can't blame ANet for that one.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Maybe they'll give more char slots with Eye of the North, even though there's no new professions...?
More char slots wont work for the OP. He'll just fill those characters up with 3 sets of armor each and run out of room again.

Phantom Flux

Phantom Flux

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
But yeah, buy less armor. Can't blame ANet for that one.
Oh please. lol. We can sooo blame anet. They create mulitple sets of armor and expects us to what? Salvage ascended armor just to try out their new ones? Come on anet, stop screwing with the Mini pet's G spot and give us a new "I" spot! I for Inventory, S for Storage...what do we need? ..

MORE INVENTORY AND STORAGE!

Rakeman

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

My recommendation: Instead of spending 50 bucks on gold a week, spend it on slots. You can come up with cute little names for the slots... for example, if your character is "John Johnson", call it "Johns Armor". That way you know that that character is holding John Johnsons armor.

legion_rat

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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More storage please and thank you.

This has been suggested more times then anything else i think. Though it would be somewhat of a memory hog (I dont know how much of one) I think anet should do something about storage. 3 soon to be 4 games and still we have the storage from the original setting.

~the rat~

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

My problem will be with the heroes. We are going to have what, 25 heroes of 10 different professions. If I want, let's say, 3 SF nuker heroes, I will have to get 3 fire runs, and fire weapons. Then if I want to change them to an air, an earth, and a water, I'll have to get those runes and weapons too - but where do I store the other weapons/runes? It is going to be a HUGE pain to constantly change hero weapons and runes, but finding storage for them is going to be even worse

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Al
My problem will be with the heroes. We are going to have what, 25 heroes of 10 different professions. If I want, let's say, 3 SF nuker heroes, I will have to get 3 fire runs, and fire weapons. Then if I want to change them to an air, an earth, and a water, I'll have to get those runes and weapons too - but where do I store the other weapons/runes? It is going to be a HUGE pain to constantly change hero weapons and runes, but finding storage for them is going to be even worse
You don't. That's the whole point.

This isn't collect every single item in game. No game does that.

The storage is plentiful. But no matter how big, it will grow too small if you fill it.

So you have 7 armor sets. What happens when they add 10 more slots? You'll have 9 armor sets, and be without room again.

50 weapons for character? Sure. But if they add storage, you'll just have 100 weapons per character.

Same with runes, and everything else.

This is PvE. In PvE, you have limited slots, things cost money, and you need to prioritize. It's what keeps economy going. If everyone had unlimited storage, you would just accumulate stuff. Sell what you don't need. Move items you're not currently using to characters you're not playing. And so on.

In PvP, just roll whatever you want.

Rakeman

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Al
My problem will be with the heroes. We are going to have what, 25 heroes of 10 different professions. If I want, let's say, 3 SF nuker heroes, I will have to get 3 fire runs, and fire weapons. Then if I want to change them to an air, an earth, and a water, I'll have to get those runes and weapons too - but where do I store the other weapons/runes? It is going to be a HUGE pain to constantly change hero weapons and runes, but finding storage for them is going to be even worse
That's why all heroes should use a PvP Equipment Window even in PvE areas. It would simulate them using their own gold and their own storage. Heck, even the PvP armor window lists the armor values for Heroes as "20-80 (Depending on Level)" or whatever the actual value is- it would work perfectly.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

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This isn't the same problem as the OP. If a player can't fit 7 armors, that's his problem. But in order to fully use your heroes, you are going to need different sets of weapons and runes. There simply isn't enough space

HawkofStorms

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom Flux
Oh please. lol. We can sooo blame anet. They create mulitple sets of armor and expects us to what? Salvage ascended armor just to try out their new ones? Come on anet, stop screwing with the Mini pet's G spot and give us a new "I" spot! I for Inventory, S for Storage...what do we need? ..

MORE INVENTORY AND STORAGE!
Hehehe, somehow you missed the part where NF gives each of your characters around 16 extra storage slots for free. They are called heros. They can be used to store weapons and offhands.

So the short answer to your question is yes. In GW:EN there will be 10 new heros. That equals 20 more invintory slots per character (for most people with linked accounts that will each 160 weapon and offhand items). If storage is THAT much of an issue for you and you don't want to utilize heros in that way, then don't complain about it.

HawkofStorms

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Al
My problem will be with the heroes. We are going to have what, 25 heroes of 10 different professions. If I want, let's say, 3 SF nuker heroes, I will have to get 3 fire runs, and fire weapons. Then if I want to change them to an air, an earth, and a water, I'll have to get those runes and weapons too - but where do I store the other weapons/runes? It is going to be a HUGE pain to constantly change hero weapons and runes, but finding storage for them is going to be even worse
Sorry for the double post. I have to reply to this.

You do NOT need to have runes on your heros. Seriously. Use collectors items. Get stuff with energy storage/soul reaping/divine favor requirements if you want to switch up builds.

fog_of_redoubt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

My guess is that many of the major complaints will be addressed in GW:EN. I think that is part of the reason it is content but not a new chapter or professions.

I think they finally realized they coulnd't ignore the storage issue any longer. I am guessing Storage, Inscriptions and Insignias on Proph and Factions items and armor, perhaps apperance changes (facial, hair)... and whatever the other major gripes have been.

The "job" of GW:EN is to maintain the player base so that it is as large as possible when GW2 is released. The bulk of the buyers will come from the current player base, and to some extent the past player base if they haven't been gone to long. So I think the best way to maintain the player base is to fix all the stuff that makes this more fun to stick around.

Aramaki

Aramaki

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

12 Characters 4 mules, I will never buy another character slot for that miserable 45 slots of storage again. Hope to see more storage in the new expansion, then I don't mind paying for it in the online store(>45 slots <9.99 bucks). But if not then I wonder, what's taking Anet so long?

Wilhelm

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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Hopefully have alot of storage in the upcoming expansion. I only have 1 character, and my storage is full of armor, and carrying weapon sets, and everything leaves me with a single bag for drops.

I can only imagine how rough it is for people with multiple characters

chichory

chichory

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/W

I agree on the hero pouch idea for more space. Say like five or even ten spots to store that particular heroes runes, weapons ect.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
I'll pop in here before this probably gets locked (that's just how the mods are here)
Hehe, your storage might need to be more of a wine cellar than actual character slots.
Great idea for names though, i must admit!

fog_of_redoubt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Sorry for the double post. I have to reply to this.

You do NOT need to have runes on your heros. Seriously. Use collectors items. Get stuff with energy storage/soul reaping/divine favor requirements if you want to switch up builds.
You are ABSOLUTELY correct Heros do not need Runes... Of course they will suck... but you are probably used to that if you think they dont need them.

LONGA

LONGA

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Thailand

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About the heroes.why bother change heroes inventory just change to another heroes and you're fine.Beside GW:EN will give us more heroes.

Quid Pro Quo

Quid Pro Quo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Hehehe, somehow you missed the part where NF gives each of your characters around 16 extra storage slots for free. They are called heros. They can be used to store weapons and offhands.

So the short answer to your question is yes. In GW:EN there will be 10 new heros. That equals 20 more invintory slots per character (for most people with linked accounts that will each 160 weapon and offhand items). If storage is THAT much of an issue for you and you don't want to utilize heros in that way, then don't complain about it.
What about the weapons I actually want them to use? Or even second sets of weapons for their different builds?

I'd like some more storage. Material storage is more important for me I'd like to have multiple 250 stack slots.

Thallandor

Thallandor

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Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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Why would Anet give you more storage when they can make USD$9.99 from you to buy a character slot to mule your stuff which essentially is no better than collector item in stats.

I know i wont.

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The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

Yes, obviously it's certainly possible to play through the chapters without heroes having runes. By why would you want to? I'd rather my necro hero have a level 26 flesh golem than a level 22. I have equipped all of my heroes with runes, and definetly don't regret it.

rohara

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

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heroes weren't meant to be storage mules -_- they are meant to be used. the debate of hero's usefulness is a topic for another thread.

its been high time for a storage/inventory upgrade since NF's release. every chapter increases the amount of stuff you need to carry around, especially in NF due to heroes. our inventories are living in the prophecies past. we got a nice storage upgrade with Factions, why not NF? even an addition of a key tab and dye tab to the storage box would have been highly welcome. or just increasing stack size and making more things stackable would have been highly welcome.

we're not asking for infinite storage, as some people seem to think. just some extra to make up for all the extra stuff we collect over the course of 3 chapters. i, for one, will be rather ticked if its not addressed in GW:EN.

Personette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Why can't we just buy extra storage then? $10 and voila, you have another tab and another 20 slots in your xunlai box.

It's not hard to transfer things between characters, but then, it's not easy, either.

Envious

Envious

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

13N/144E FoKai

Well, for me I just do a little inventory management. Besides, I use my other characters as mules anyway. So its not a big problem for me, don't know about others though...

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

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Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

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Thallandor's right, even if he is being a hater. Honestly, what business do you know of that doesn't try to make as much money as it can? I have no problem with it, though it would be nice to have some more storage, granted. But it is good business practice. Storage takes up space on servers, server upkeep costs money.

Now I agree that it would be nice if they could offer an extension to our Xunlai storage for a fee in the store. I'd go for that in a heartbeat.

Knightsaber Sith

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt
You are ABSOLUTELY correct Heros do not need Runes... Of course they will suck... but you are probably used to that if you think they dont need them.
I took my Dervish all the way through Nightfall with hench 'n' heroes the whole way. Not one of the had a single insignia/rune. They don't suck, just people don't know how to use 'em properly.

Exoudeous

Exoudeous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

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your save file takes up space. the more storage you are allowed the bigger the save file is.

now think about how many people play this game. multiply 3 million by say 1 MB for a save file. thats alot of freaking data. if they increased storage by a tiny amount then thats an exponential amount of more data they need to hold.

they were able to add material storage because it wa done in such a way that it deostn take much more data. where as adding say 5 more inventory slots would take up more data cause they have to be able to hold any item in the game..


its not a conspiracy, go play other mmos and see, every mmo i have been on people complain about storage size. developers do that they can, but sometimes they can only do so much with the technology they have. that and tehy ahve to work with teh current game engine. they may have a better data method now but cant use it without rewriting the games code

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exoudeous
its not a conspiracy, go play other mmos and see, every mmo i have been on people complain about storage size. developers do that they can, but sometimes they can only do so much with the technology they have. that and tehy ahve to work with teh current game engine. they may have a better data method now but cant use it without rewriting the games code
But in other MMO's, can't you have as many characters as you want?

explodemyheart

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
But in a hero battle whos gonna win? The guy that's put time into assigning his heroes runes and specialist weapons for their builds or the Dumpty who won't fork out on some runes and good weapons for specialist builds because "they don't need them"?
Your argument's fine assuming that you use your PvE character to do hero battles. Many, many people, however, use PvP characters. My argument was for PvE usage, as is what this whole thread really surrounds, as the majority of serious PvPers use PvP only characters and don't care about space. Even if they do choose to use their PvE characters and heroes for hero battles, thus choosing to make them effective to the max, issue space is still their own fault.

Suggesting that you need more storage space for your PvE characters so your heroes can have all of the "necessary" runes and weapons is really a non-argument because, just like choosing to have 7 different sets of armor, you're choosing to give all of your heroes everything when they don't need it.

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

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Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Exoudeous
your save file takes up space. the more storage you are allowed the bigger the save file is.

now think about how many people play this game. multiply 3 million by say 1 MB for a save file. thats alot of freaking data. if they increased storage by a tiny amount then thats an exponential amount of more data they need to hold.

they were able to add material storage because it wa done in such a way that it deostn take much more data. where as adding say 5 more inventory slots would take up more data cause they have to be able to hold any item in the game..


its not a conspiracy, go play other mmos and see, every mmo i have been on people complain about storage size. developers do that they can, but sometimes they can only do so much with the technology they have. that and tehy ahve to work with teh current game engine. they may have a better data method now but cant use it without rewriting the games code

I know a few small games still in beta (most of them completely free) that have larger storage or in the case of Endless Online, effectively unlimited storage.

I'm sure adding another character slot takes up more save space but is an excuse to charge a good lump of money for storage.

Exoudeous

Exoudeous

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
I know a few small games still in beta (most of them completely free) that have larger storage or in the case of Endless Online, effectively unlimited storage.

I'm sure adding another character slot takes up more save space but is an excuse to charge a good lump of money for storage.
and other mmos charge a monthly fee to keep those servers up.

when you buy a new slot you are effectivly buying more server space

and like I said there may be newer better methods of data storage now,a nd better code to keep the data smaller, somehting they cant do in the current game without changing all the code. This is yet a notehr reason why anet is probably deciding on moving to a new game cause they can implement things in it that they cant do to the current game engine

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Exoudeous
and other mmos charge a monthly fee to keep those servers up.

when you buy a new slot you are effectivly buying more server space
Like i said most of them are free as in the case of endless online.

Exactly. They want you to take up more server space than necessary just so you pay the higher price of having a whole new slot.

I actually wouldn't mind paying the same price as a new slot just to double the size of my storage (effectively the same as having a new character with its bag, just without the waste of server space of having another character).

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exoudeous
and other mmos charge a monthly fee to keep those servers up.

when you buy a new slot you are effectivly buying more server space

and like I said there may be newer better methods of data storage now,a nd better code to keep the data smaller, somehting they cant do in the current game without changing all the code. This is yet a notehr reason why anet is probably deciding on moving to a new game cause they can implement things in it that they cant do to the current game engine
You still get unlimited amount of characters you can create.

I'm glad to buy a slot, though, because I'm proud to support ANet. And QFT for moving onto GW2 for a better game engine, and more possibilities.

Exoudeous

Exoudeous

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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also take into acount that they probably have diffrent business models.

you cant really compare alot of things cause companies have diffrent ways of making sure they use money effectivly. those companies may get more profit per game then guild wars does.

so honestly its not really accurate to compare newer games to an older one

GloryFox

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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Personally I don't think they can give more storage. It might be one of the flaws of the current GW engine and is another reason why they need GW2 to be built and why they can't transfer characters.

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Exoudeous
also take into acount that they probably have diffrent business models.

you cant really compare alot of things cause companies have diffrent ways of making sure they use money effectivly. those companies may get more profit per game then guild wars does.

so honestly its not really accurate to compare newer games to an older one
If your referring to what I said before. Endless Online is free. As in free to download, free to make an account, everything is free. Yet they effectively have unlimited storage. I had 2000 dyes at one point. 2000 individual items.

Give us the option to double our storage for the same price as adding a whole new character slot and not only will they make a killing in profits it will save people from using precious server space with mules.

Orinn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Defiant Dragons

As an alternative to buying character slots, buy a second account and don't link it. $30 US in the online store, and you get not only 4 mules, but an entire new xunlai vault complete with materials storage for any character past LA. If you're in a guild, once they get out of Pre, you can met them in the guild halls and pass items back and forth...

Better use of money if all you want is mules for storage.