How about some positive comments instead of bashing GW.
Rocky Raccoon
I read the forums almost everyday and I see people complaining constantly about this and that. I would like to see more of what is good about Guild Wars. Is it easy to say bad things than good and if the game is as bad as some people seem to think it is then why do they continue to play it. Am I the only one who enjoys the game for what it is?
Str0b0
A maxim of any industry in which you serve the public in some way. If you do something right you will never hear about it. If you do something wrong then not only will you hear about it but that person will tell five of their friends about what you did wrong too.
Shmanka
Ok then I'll try my best.
I like how when I load a build the skills pop in my face without my choice.
I like how ANet keeps chaging Hero's Ascent every month.
I like how ANet is declaring this game a "successful business model".
I like all the RA hate because... it makes me feel warm...
I also LOVE how I can't obs myself when I guest for GvG's.
I love how Gaile keeps saying things, and if these updates come, never do.
I also REALLY LOVE how about 75% of all the skills in this entire game can never be considered PvP material.
I ... like alot of what ANet is doing
I like how when I load a build the skills pop in my face without my choice.
I like how ANet keeps chaging Hero's Ascent every month.
I like how ANet is declaring this game a "successful business model".
I like all the RA hate because... it makes me feel warm...
I also LOVE how I can't obs myself when I guest for GvG's.
I love how Gaile keeps saying things, and if these updates come, never do.
I also REALLY LOVE how about 75% of all the skills in this entire game can never be considered PvP material.
I ... like alot of what ANet is doing
Rhedd
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Am I the only one who enjoys the game for what it is?
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On the one hand, you have the usual complainers, like Shmanka, up there.
On the other hand, you have people who do, indeed, "enjoy the game for what it is". I'm one of those, which is the reason I seem to spend too much of my time on the forums worrying about the approaching apocalypse called GW2.
It's starting to make front-page politics look like relaxing reading. ^_^
Dj Tano
I think when ANet gets to the point where pretty much everything in the game is perfect, then we will start saying really nice stuff about the game.
I think the game is lovely, but it has a LOT of small flaws that put together dont make the game be what it could be...
I think the game is lovely, but it has a LOT of small flaws that put together dont make the game be what it could be...
Exoudeous
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Originally Posted by Dj Tano
I think when ANet gets to the point where pretty much everything in the game is perfect, then we will start saying really nice stuff about the game.
I think the game is lovely, but it has a LOT of small flaws that put together dont make the game be what it could be... |
geekling
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
no people will always find a way to complain about anything
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phil_carter
I think its human nature to find flaws and to complain, although thats probably a good thing, its why we are able to have such an amazing game, otherwise it would just be rubbish and everyone would just be like, "meh", there'd be no reason to improve things or make anything well, there just wouldn't be any point.
But yeh it would be nice to see some positive things, we don't want people to come here and go oh no this is an awfully flawed game, i wont be buying that.
But yeh it would be nice to see some positive things, we don't want people to come here and go oh no this is an awfully flawed game, i wont be buying that.
Mordakai
To be fair, I think there are a lot of positive comments.
Considering that Guild Wars 2 turns many of the Guild Wars conventions on their head, I'd be encouraged by the amount of positive response.
So, why do many threads appear "negative"?
Negative comments tend to get more attention then positive comments, and people are more likely to complain then to praise.
But I wouldn't worry too much about it. I dare say, it would be just as bad if all we read here was uncritical praise for Anet!
Considering that Guild Wars 2 turns many of the Guild Wars conventions on their head, I'd be encouraged by the amount of positive response.
So, why do many threads appear "negative"?
Negative comments tend to get more attention then positive comments, and people are more likely to complain then to praise.
But I wouldn't worry too much about it. I dare say, it would be just as bad if all we read here was uncritical praise for Anet!
Pkest
I absolutely love this game! 1370+ hours in the last 12 months (just got my first b-day present yesterday. Mini Char Shaman ftw) It is precisely because of that feeling that I will be critical or complain about something I don't like or would like to see fixed.
If people didn't give a hoot about the game, this forum would be empty and no one would ever bother to say anything good or bad. Criticism and complaining is to a great extent a good thing. When it stops is when a game really has problems.
If people didn't give a hoot about the game, this forum would be empty and no one would ever bother to say anything good or bad. Criticism and complaining is to a great extent a good thing. When it stops is when a game really has problems.
Free Runner
No matter what Anet do people will complain.
GW2? two years away from release? what do people do? complain.
Party Search? nice little feature added to the game....complain.
Big event? hat at the end? whoa...lets complain!.
Want positive comments? look past the complainers
GW2? two years away from release? what do people do? complain.
Party Search? nice little feature added to the game....complain.
Big event? hat at the end? whoa...lets complain!.
Want positive comments? look past the complainers
Etta
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Negative comments tend to get more attention then positive comments, and people are more likely to complain then to praise.
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OP, don't worry to much about what other people think. You're still enjoy playing GW aren't you? People will always complain about everything. So just forget about it.
Anet doesn't really need defending, they're good at what they do. A bit of ops! here and there but most of us can live with it. £85 well spent I say.
Darcy
Once you say you like something, what is left to say. Everyone on this forum site likes the game or they wouldn't play it (except for those who say they don't play, but can't seem to divorce themselves from the guru community).
But the purpose of a forum is to discuss things, whether maturely or not, and "liking the game" leaves no room for discussion.
Now, as "liking" something doesn't mean it's perfect, complaints and requests for changes give you something to discuss and something for ArenaNet to grab onto when considering improvements and changes.
In fact, from the published interviews/articles, that is the root cause behind GW2; the inability to make certain changes with the current GW engine.
As GW players, we have a great game available, but it has never stood still. ArenaNet has constantly changed things and each change brings both sighs of relief and complaints from the players.
But the purpose of a forum is to discuss things, whether maturely or not, and "liking the game" leaves no room for discussion.
Now, as "liking" something doesn't mean it's perfect, complaints and requests for changes give you something to discuss and something for ArenaNet to grab onto when considering improvements and changes.
In fact, from the published interviews/articles, that is the root cause behind GW2; the inability to make certain changes with the current GW engine.
As GW players, we have a great game available, but it has never stood still. ArenaNet has constantly changed things and each change brings both sighs of relief and complaints from the players.
Demilikos
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It's starting to make front-page politics look like relaxing reading. ^_^
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While the game isn't perfect (what game is? pong?
), I think the way some people complain could be altered so that anyone skimming through our posts trying to figure out if this game is right for them wouldn't go "omg, this game must be a terrible failure, I'll try out WoW".And I do in fact enjoy the game for what it is. It's why I'm still here. :] GG Anet.
Frogtree
I enjoy the game(s) a lot. The thing I enjoy the most is getting help form people in towns for missions and quests. It is nice to see team work. A lot of times, and I will say in the elite areas, people will call other players noobs. But there are some of people who do understand it is not a FPS game and help other folks out. The answer I always give to someone who calls me a "noob" is so what were you when you started playing?
Viet Spirit
complaints are usually not a bad thing but suggestions for improvements. Whether these improvements will be done or not is another thing. What if all you read in this forum is "omg I love GW. its perfect" ? The game would stay the same, no bug fixes, no content updates,.... as Arenet will not be pressed to do any changes.
Thermoblaze
As i don t play PvP(i play sometimes) in PvE world for now everything is good.
Complain about PvE world is that when i come to Mission there is no enoguh PUG's
Complain about PvE world is that when i come to Mission there is no enoguh PUG's
stuntharley
I like rank spiking rank 3's or rank 12's.
That is fun =)
That is fun =)
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
I read the forums almost everyday and I see people complaining constantly about this and that. I would like to see more of what is good about Guild Wars. Is it easy to say bad things than good and if the game is as bad as some people seem to think it is then why do they continue to play it. Am I the only one who enjoys the game for what it is?
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It's pretty logical- if I didn't care, I'd sell my GW (or not) and I'd just stop playing it
And, yeah, I still play
And I still complain
Because I want GW to be the best game
I care ^^
DRGN
Forums are equivalent to newspapers and other media in the real world. When you turn on the news, how often is it actually POSITIVE? If you make a statement saying something is good, it's not going to provoke a lot of thought and discussion. On the other hand,if you post complaining about something, you're going to incite a lot of responses.
Plus, a lot of fun discussion is debate. If you had a choice between this conversation:
OP:"hay i think mending rox"
Post 1:"ya i agree"
Post 2:"si"
Post 3:"lol its awesomesauce"
or this conversation
OP: "hay i think mending rox"
Post 1: "ya i agree"
Post 2: "omg ur a noob no1 uses mending"
Post 3: "ya use heal breeze instead"
Post 4: "OMG NOOBS"
Most people will probably jump in on the latter. The first topic has everyone holding hands and singing Kum Ba Yah together. That doesn't usually motivate anyone to respond. However, the second conversation is fighting and insult flinging. That's going to get a lot more responses.
Look through the dead threads around here. I'd bet that it's not that there are a LOT less positive threads, but that people go into flame wars in all the negative posts and hijack the thread, which keeps it alive while the other topics get ignored.
Or maybe people just like complaining. >_>
Plus, a lot of fun discussion is debate. If you had a choice between this conversation:
OP:"hay i think mending rox"
Post 1:"ya i agree"
Post 2:"si"
Post 3:"lol its awesomesauce"
or this conversation
OP: "hay i think mending rox"
Post 1: "ya i agree"
Post 2: "omg ur a noob no1 uses mending"
Post 3: "ya use heal breeze instead"
Post 4: "OMG NOOBS"
Most people will probably jump in on the latter. The first topic has everyone holding hands and singing Kum Ba Yah together. That doesn't usually motivate anyone to respond. However, the second conversation is fighting and insult flinging. That's going to get a lot more responses.
Look through the dead threads around here. I'd bet that it's not that there are a LOT less positive threads, but that people go into flame wars in all the negative posts and hijack the thread, which keeps it alive while the other topics get ignored.
Or maybe people just like complaining. >_>
Rocky Raccoon
There is nothing wrong with pointng out what you may see as a problem with the game, but it is also nice to let people know what is good with the game. If I were to judge this game by a good portion of the posts I would never have bought it. I just wanted to hear what people like about the game and why they continue to play it.
Zorglubb
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Originally Posted by Str0b0
A maxim of any industry in which you serve the public in some way. If you do something right you will never hear about it. If you do something wrong then not only will you hear about it but that person will tell five of their friends about what you did wrong too.
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In other words: it's when no one is complaining that you're doing things wrong
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Rusty Deth
I love my GW, but I think I love reading complaints more.
Everytime there's an update I jet over here to see who's complaining. No need to question, its the ussual complainers, but its funny reading.
Same thing goes for weekend events. I get a hoot over all the complaints, second guessing, and sheer nonsense over 2 day events. Or when people lable them "n00b weekends".
What I think is funny, is no matter what goes on in GW, people complain. Say Halloween for instance, people complained they were giving out pumpkin heads again.
Or when they increased storage for salvage items, people complained it wasn't enough and top it off with a " where's our auction house".
In fact most complaints are topped off with "and where's our auction house".
lol I crack up everytime someone posts that. Its funny watching people beg.
It's like I get my cake and eat it too. I enjoy playing my GW, and I enjoy reading about people suffering from every little thing that happens in it.
Everytime there's an update I jet over here to see who's complaining. No need to question, its the ussual complainers, but its funny reading.
Same thing goes for weekend events. I get a hoot over all the complaints, second guessing, and sheer nonsense over 2 day events. Or when people lable them "n00b weekends".
What I think is funny, is no matter what goes on in GW, people complain. Say Halloween for instance, people complained they were giving out pumpkin heads again.
Or when they increased storage for salvage items, people complained it wasn't enough and top it off with a " where's our auction house".
In fact most complaints are topped off with "and where's our auction house".
lol I crack up everytime someone posts that. Its funny watching people beg.
It's like I get my cake and eat it too. I enjoy playing my GW, and I enjoy reading about people suffering from every little thing that happens in it.
Onarik Amrak
It's a fact of life that people come on forums to whine. They are not content to keep their opinions to themselves, they feel the need to express it to other people who probably don't care anyway.
TabascoSauce
...and where is my auction house?
Thx!
TabascoSauce
Thx!
TabascoSauce
Sir Skullcrasher
Go A-Net!!
Chris616263
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Well, you must know that most (me too) complain about GW because... we care...
It's pretty logical- if I didn't care, I'd sell my GW (or not) and I'd just stop playing it And, yeah, I still play And I still complain Because I want GW to be the best game I care ^^ |
I always thought people complained because we're all a bunch of spoiled little americans/canadians/brits/etc. But hey, what do I know, I'm just some spoiled american who's used to getting what I want, when I want it. :P
Burn Butt
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
I read the forums almost everyday and I see people complaining constantly about this and that. I would like to see more of what is good about Guild Wars. Is it easy to say bad things than good and if the game is as bad as some people seem to think it is then why do they continue to play it. Am I the only one who enjoys the game for what it is?
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BlackSephir
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I sense.......deception.
I always thought people complained because we're all a bunch of spoiled little americans/canadians/brits/etc. But hey, what do I know, I'm just some spoiled american who's used to getting what I want, when I want it. :P |
lakatz
People that pay for things never complain. It's the guy you give something to that you can't please.
~Will Rogers
The people who live in a golden age usually go around complaining how yellow everything looks.
~Randall Jarrell
Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain -- and most fools do.
~Dale Carnegie
Constant complaint is the poorest sort of pay for all the comforts we enjoy.
~Benjamin Franklin
~Will Rogers
The people who live in a golden age usually go around complaining how yellow everything looks.
~Randall Jarrell
Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain -- and most fools do.
~Dale Carnegie
Constant complaint is the poorest sort of pay for all the comforts we enjoy.
~Benjamin Franklin
The Ernada
Those are great, Lakatz.
Constructive complaints arent always a bad thing though. And yes, there's a severe lack of them and positive comments on these boards. But usually it's repeat offenders that are constantly complaining.
If you hang out on these boards long enough, you pretty much can tell who are the constant whiners and who are the ones who give constructive complaints. Most of the time I can ignore them but sometimes seeing post after whining post gets on my nerves...
Constructive complaints arent always a bad thing though. And yes, there's a severe lack of them and positive comments on these boards. But usually it's repeat offenders that are constantly complaining.
If you hang out on these boards long enough, you pretty much can tell who are the constant whiners and who are the ones who give constructive complaints. Most of the time I can ignore them but sometimes seeing post after whining post gets on my nerves...
Darcy
@lakatz - Will Rogers should be grateful he died before encountering today's USA, because the first half of that quote is no longer true. Everyone complains whether they paid for something or got it free.
the_jos
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Many more are, but you will not hear them that much, they are enjoying playing instead of sharing that on a forum like this.
But, when people 'complain', you have to consider why.
For example, I participated in some threads about the state of the Mesmer in the game. I think at least part of the 'complains' are valid, the game mechanics do not support a focus character like Mesmer or Sin.
Then there have been the recent HA 'complaints'.
Some just have to do with change (people have to adapt, which take time).
Others have to do with game mechanics that were not a big problem in the old setup, but are in the new (spike teams because of killcount, spiritway to 'exploit' Soul Reaping). This has also to do with change, but it's harder to adapt and possibly gives too much advantage to certain team builds (imbalance).
Furtermore, there is one reason i've just discussed with two people online tonight: being bored with the game.
We all three are not really looking forward to progress yet an other character through the game. Or get protectors on X.
That's because the PvE mechanics of the game stay the same and after doing a mission several times, you know where which enemies pop up and how to counter them.
This is one of the reasons I shifted from PvE to more PvP focus early this year.
Atm, I have no PvE goals anymore. I don't care about FoW, gold or special weapons. Got a couple of double protectors, but can't push myself to get the third in Elona.
So I have set some PvP goals, first getting PvP experience, then becoming a decent PvP player. Now it's more about getting a lot of experience so I can lead (guild) teams in GvG or HA.
That, combined with the guild i'm in at the moment, keeps me playing.
It's not strange those things happen.
I, for example, have hardly touched an other game since I started playing GW.
That means it has a lot to offer.
But also that at some time, boredom will strike.
Will you hear me complain a lot?
I hope not.
Will you hear me cheer a lot?
Not that much and more in real life than on this forum.
TabascoSauce
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Furtermore, there is one reason i've just discussed with two people online tonight: being bored with the game.
We all three are not really looking forward to progress yet an other character through the game. Or get protectors on X. That's because the PvE mechanics of the game stay the same and after doing a mission several times, you know where which enemies pop up and how to counter them. This is one of the reasons I shifted from PvE to more PvP focus early this year. Atm, I have no PvE goals anymore. I don't care about FoW, gold or special weapons. Got a couple of double protectors, but can't push myself to get the third in Elona. |
Would you play if you unlocked cities on an account basis, such that getting your warrior to Vabbi opened it for all your characters?
Thx!
TabascoSauce
[KotL]Mjolnir
No offence but I'd rather been playing Guild Wars than writing a 5 page essay on how much I like the game :P We complain because we care, simple.
Dj Tano
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But there is basic stuff that has to be fixed, and it seems like the devs have been sleeping for 1,5 years now...
MirageMaster
Yes,ppl complain cause they want to see the game get better and better.Through argument .. like in war,ideas tend to evolve and ppl are forced to find answers to the problems they need to resolve.Simple reason.Ofcourse GW still got alot of problems, i could make a long list but.....
As for positive comment about GW.I bought all 3 campaigns,finished them.This is in its self shows how game is good with out a comment.Plannig on getting GWEN preorder.Nough said.
As for positive comment about GW.I bought all 3 campaigns,finished them.This is in its self shows how game is good with out a comment.Plannig on getting GWEN preorder.Nough said.
LifeInfusion
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As long as criticism is constructive and reasonable, I don't see why we shouldn't complain.
"OmGzor GW is teh suk LoLZ" isn't going to fly, but a detailed , logical, and well written proposal to improve a certain aspect will certainly draw attention from the devs.
Hint, see actionjack's "Titles" post a few months back.
Devs actually listen.
HawkofStorms
Welcome to the internet.
Basically, EVERY single fan forum for every single game online is like this. I've been regular posters on a lot of them. There are always people complaining. Its just how it is.
Basically, EVERY single fan forum for every single game online is like this. I've been regular posters on a lot of them. There are always people complaining. Its just how it is.
the_jos
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...so, what you are saying is that repeating a campaign 8 (or more) times with all your various characters is grind(y)?
Would you play if you unlocked cities on an account basis, such that getting your warrior to Vabbi opened it for all your characters? Thx! TabascoSauce |
Even if that meant that I don't get the end game greens.
I still like to help others around in the game (specially missions), which is the most important reason for me to PvE.