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super strokey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Soviet Canuckistan

N/

19 Apr 2007 at 17:55 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sectus

Sounds very neat. I like the idea of the Vanquisher title. I really worry about the "new powerful pve" skills though... I really hope they aren't more powerful than ordinary skills.

Lets wait to see how tough the baddies are before we hope for anything lol

Hell Raiser

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

[PHNX]

Mo/

19 Apr 2007 at 17:56 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelegendozelda

So killing everything in every area gets you a new title, guess everyone can start with DoA and killing everything in it, mu ha!

Hmm this just gave me a thought: Is DoA, and the other areas like SF/RoT, considered explorable areas? If everyone already knows this, well have a nice laugh at me

Sir Twisteh

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Dreaming Angels [DA]

W/N

19 Apr 2007 at 17:56 - 43

Sounds really good, but then again so did DoA... this could make it or break it for ANet

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

19 Apr 2007 at 17:56 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orbberius

Those elite tomes better be cheap on the market
like 500g or less

LOL

Try starting bids 1,500,000g plz.

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

19 Apr 2007 at 17:58 - 45

This is going to be like the updates we used to have back in prophecies. HUGE SKILL UPDATE! This is going to be one really sweet update. Time to put PVP on hold for a little bit.

New skins for weapons in hard mode anyone?

Knight_Blazer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

We don't wear [Bras]

D/E

19 Apr 2007 at 17:58 - 46

Wow unlocking skills with tomes is great. Now I won't have to go to Gate of Torment with every character to learn Mystic regeneration!!! Although making skills unlocked by Priest of Balthazar accesible with tome will be even easier.

thelegendozelda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

OoT

W/Mo

19 Apr 2007 at 18:00 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

Hmm this just gave me a thought: Is DoA, and the other areas like SF/RoT, considered explorable areas? If everyone already knows this, well have a nice laugh at me

not for sure, go zone in and see if it says its explorable, i think it will be rather funny myself if it is

thezed

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Iowa, USA

HoTR

19 Apr 2007 at 18:01 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelegendozelda

yea sure does, might have to clear out all of DoA, to max it also

I hope not. Hopefully it includes all "non-elite" zones.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

19 Apr 2007 at 18:04 - 49

I hope Vanquisher doesn't include hidden mobs. I really can't be bothered to walk around every single square foot to find that 1 hidden Aloe Seed or something stupid...

DFrost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Ultima Thule

Legacy of Echovald [Echo]

P/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:04 - 50

I can't wait, that vanquisher title sounds great, and if the hard mode is really hard there'll finally be plenty of use for those stacks of wintergreen candy canes too

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:04 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sectus

Sounds very neat. I like the idea of the Vanquisher title. I really worry about the "new powerful pve" skills though... I really hope they aren't more powerful than ordinary skills.

why shouldn't they? No balance to kill so gimme skills which are a blast.

Searing Flames but with twice the power would be really loved by us eles.

A lvl 30 minion (10-15 energy) which gives bleeding with each attack for necros.

A doppleganger-conjure spell which makes a copy of you and imitates your every skill usage for mesmers.

A "million blades" for warriors. (hits for 5 times)

An uninterruptable trap skill which is a combo of all other non elite traps for Rangers.

A heal party + blessed light combined for monks.

A mix of shadow prison and shadow form (without the loss at the end) for 'sins.

A new uber spirit for ritualists that protects and attacks at the same time.

A new "avatar of gods" for dervishes. a mix of all avatars into one. (pure carnage this one)

A new shout for paragons... "Un-nerf me!": every ally within earshot gets his attributes boosted by 5 for x seconds.

Man i'm dreaming....

thelegendozelda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

OoT

W/Mo

19 Apr 2007 at 18:05 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by thezed

I hope not. Hopefully it includes all "non-elite" zones.

i'm sure there will be something to hard for every one, be prepared for the 100's of threads whine assing around they cant beat, gates of kryta, BAW hA

Phaedra Firesoul

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Under a rock.

Silencing To Avert Brutality

R/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:05 - 53

all i can say is YAY!

super strokey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Soviet Canuckistan

N/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:07 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism2525

why shouldn't they? No balance to kill so gimme skills which are a blast.

Searing Flames but with twice the power would be really loved by us eles.

A lvl 30 minion (10-15 energy) which gives bleeding with each attack for necros.

A doppleganger-conjure spell which makes a copy of you and imitates your every skill usage for mesmers.

A "million blades" for warriors. (hits for 5 times)

An uninterruptable trap skill which is a combo of all other non elite traps for Rangers.

A heal party + blessed light combined for monks.

A mix of shadow prison and shadow form (without the loss at the end) for 'sins.

A new uber spirit for ritualists that protects and attacks at the same time.

A new "avatar of gods" for dervishes. a mix of all avatars into one. (pure carnage this one)

A new shout for paragons... "Un-nerf me!": every ally within earshot gets his attributes boosted by 5 for x seconds.

Man i'm dreaming....

lol while i would love all of those they might be just a little to good lol

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:08 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism2525

A new shout for paragons... "Un-nerf me!":

I lol'd.

Can't wait to see the whole update!!

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

19 Apr 2007 at 18:08 - 56

I'll hold my breath.

.-.

Hope the bad guys arent DOA hard.

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

W/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:10 - 57

Elite tomes sound amazing....

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:11 - 58

if the mobs will be DoA style... then my skills might not be even enough, let alone too much.

EDIT: I can't picture the elite tomes to go for thousands of gold as getting a sig and cap it yourself would be waaay cheaper, even if you're still back that amt of cash is silly.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

19 Apr 2007 at 18:12 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Hope the bad guys arent DOA hard.

One can only assume Anet has read the thousands of posts echoing this exact sentiment--they would be foolish to ignore it.

shivanSoule

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

19 Apr 2007 at 18:13 - 60

"Double-click on the Elite Tome while in a town or outpost to learn any elite profession skill already unlocked on your account."

say we already unlocked elite from priest, and we learn it from tome, we might need to pay 1k for the skill but do we still get the 5000xp like from signet of captures?

vanquisher title is great, i hope there'll be better drops by farming with players instead of solo.

Lalita

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Mountains

[LaZy]

19 Apr 2007 at 18:15 - 61

One nice thing about Tomes is it will make re-making characters alot easier. I know I'd like to update my cartoony Proph El to a more fleshed out NF El, but hate the idea of getting all those skills again. Depending on the drop ratio of the Tomes I might just be able to horde a bunch and re-make her in a much easier manner.

Sectus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Miss Meow Meow's Guild

19 Apr 2007 at 18:18 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism2525

why shouldn't they? No balance to kill so gimme skills which are a blast.

Searing Flames but with twice the power would be really loved by us eles.

A lvl 30 minion (10-15 energy) which gives bleeding with each attack for necros.

A doppleganger-conjure spell which makes a copy of you and imitates your every skill usage for mesmers.

A "million blades" for warriors. (hits for 5 times)

An uninterruptable trap skill which is a combo of all other non elite traps for Rangers.

A heal party + blessed light combined for monks.

A mix of shadow prison and shadow form (without the loss at the end) for 'sins.

A new uber spirit for ritualists that protects and attacks at the same time.

A new "avatar of gods" for dervishes. a mix of all avatars into one. (pure carnage this one)

A new shout for paragons... "Un-nerf me!": every ally within earshot gets his attributes boosted by 5 for x seconds.

Man i'm dreaming....

There is balance for PvE. You can't just make any super powerful skill and assume everything will still be fun.

If sunspear title has new powerful pve skills these will be the side effects:
-Normal mode will turn from normal into easy if you use the new powerful skills.
-No one in the game will accept you into their party for hard mode (perhaps even normal mode) unless you carry those skills. Making players without Nightfall gimped.
-Hard mode might become too easy or frustratingly difficult with or without the new powerful skills. And most probably, you'll have to grind through to maxed sunspear before you can seriously start to play Hard Mode.

The skills you suggested would basically be the same as playing the game with cheats, which would definitely destroy all the fun.

Fender

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ohio

XoO

19 Apr 2007 at 18:19 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

LOL

Try starting bids 1,500,000g plz.

wtf are you smoking? SoC are only 1000g. You are simply paying for the convenience of NOT going to cap the skill. I'd guess tome prices will settle in the 1500g - 2500g range.

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:19 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by shivanSoule

"Double-click on the Elite Tome while in a town or outpost to learn any elite profession skill already unlocked on your account."

say we already unlocked elite from priest, and we learn it from tome, we might need to pay 1k for the skill but do we still get the 5000xp like from signet of captures?

would be cool but i doubt it. it would cheapen beyond reason the survivor title. Plus, that ability is solely of the cap sig.

Hell Raiser

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

[PHNX]

Mo/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:20 - 65

no need to give a bonus to teams, I doubt there will be many soloers. If there are: that's like promoting PvP over PvE; GW is meant to be good for multiplaying and solo playing, why promote one side with better features?

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

19 Apr 2007 at 18:20 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fender

wtf are you smoking? SoC are only 1000g. You are simply paying for the convenience of NOT going to cap the skill. I'd guess tome prices will settle in the 1500g - 2500g range.

I'm pretty sure it's going to rely heavily on how rare/difficult to farm they turn out to be.

eggs0wn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

19 Apr 2007 at 18:21 - 67

This sounds sweet. I hopw it comes tonight so I can play it before I go away! Well unless it is like DoA...

And I dont think Elite Tombs will go for too much more than 5kish. I mean, Sig of Caps still only cost 1k.

Also, I know most people know this but don't buy all the Rare Stuff right away! Prices will be really high because its new. (Remember Mini Pig Prices? 100k-10k in one day[before the giveaway at end of festival - then they were given away fro free])

Vyldan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Stolen Eye [SEyE]

Me/E

19 Apr 2007 at 18:21 - 68

I'm eagerly waiting to see just how difficult Hard Mode is truly going to be. The simple fact is that I will rarely ever be playing on Normal difficulty once it is released. A shame we're likely to not require a Ventrilo party to fight through Ascalon, though.

A Mesmer can dream, can't he?

Orbberius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

19 Apr 2007 at 18:21 - 69

I doubt the elite tome will give you XP or advance your skill hunter title track.

But I really really really hope the drop rate for those things is really high, because I'm pretty sure there's a HUGE demand for it.

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:23 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fender

wtf are you smoking? SoC are only 1000g. You are simply paying for the convenience of NOT going to cap the skill. I'd guess tome prices will settle in the 1500g - 2500g range.

LOL I was joking.

In seriousness I would think they would be a bit more than 2.5k until enough flood the market.

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

19 Apr 2007 at 18:24 - 71

I wonder if party sizes will be up'ed in hardmode. Like in the low areas where you can normally only have four.

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:27 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

I wonder if party sizes will be up'ed in hardmode. Like in the low areas where you can normally only have four.

Then they would have to increase the mob sizes too?

Corran Horn

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Alliance of Xen

R/Me

19 Apr 2007 at 18:27 - 73

Finally, my Elite Skill Hunter is gonna do me some good.

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:28 - 74

If they don't increase the part size in lower areas HM will be a much bigger pain.

Groups of 8 will be coming from droknar's before we know it!

Ritualistic Spankin

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

19 Apr 2007 at 18:29 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inde

Guild Wars Hard Mode Fact Sheet

Lockpicking

Opening locked chests in Hard mode can be done using lockpicks. Why carry a dozen different keys when a lockpick can do the trick? Lockpicks aren't perfect, though; they may break. However, the ranks you earn in the Treasure Hunter and Lucky title tracks will increase both the chance that the lockpick will work, and that it will remain intact after each use.

So...I trust the wisdom title track will count also, since that is incorporated into salvaging. I work on my wisdom track much more than my treasure hunter one.

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

19 Apr 2007 at 18:29 - 76

I cant wait to try cr in this, want make a diffrence to shadow form (i hope

)

too bad i cant really play tonight >.<

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:30 - 77

i recon it will cost the same s signet of capture but your paying fore conveniance of not goin to cap the skill ..at a cost of not receving 5000xp.

wander if you can put tomes on noobs...i wanna make my spirit spammer rit hav my elites

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

19 Apr 2007 at 18:31 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ritualistic Spankin

So...I trust the wisdom title track will count also, since that is incorporated into salvaging. I work on my wisdom track much more than my treasure hunter one.

I don't see why wisdom would be included, and when Gaile mentioned lockpicks earlier I think she only mentioned treasure hunter and lucky as well...

frickett

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Shinigami Keys [SHIN]

R/Mo

19 Apr 2007 at 18:31 - 79

color me impressed, I think this is gonna be a great update...I will prolly get uberganked though...im not very good at this game anyway...but I will enjoy trying.

Vel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/

19 Apr 2007 at 18:34 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

I just hope Hard Mode isn't gonna be like DoA.

1. Find a protruding edge on the wall.
2. Stand in a queue.
3. Fire AWAY!!!

Haha...I also do hope they don't do that.

-Vel