to portray a month of the calendar.
So, the one eliminated was someone that showed the month but showed it like everyone else? While someone who didn't go by the topic gets let free to continue? >>; Isn't that a bit off to some of you? Also Sihaya Syme (N) - 2 Votes, was popularity a factor? And if it was, isn't modeling a "art form that expresses feeling and emotion or portrays a scene alligned with a topic in a photograph" rather then popularity?
I just wanted to express my opinion about the decisions, yes I know they are all final, but still...
<Note: I do not mean to bash some picures...>
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On a side-note: I hope you all do well with fairy-tales~ I love fairy-tales.  Though, its seems to be more disney movies rather then the actual tales...
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You said the Fairy Tale of Alice and Wonderland, and I found it to be odd with the decision<A personal favorite of mine>, though considering you probably didn't understand the stories or just watched the disney adaption<Which was actually rather off... No dutchess, or Pat in it. Not to mention the sudden appearance of Twiddledee and twiddledum, who appear in the looking glass rather hten her first adventure... Blah, blah, blah...> and never read the origonal Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, then I would understand your thoughts.. But just so you know, Alice actually, wasn't meant to portray a cute charactor in the story, but rather a pedantess who would not tolerate any silliness...<"Everything is so out-of-the-way down here, I am quite afraid I do not like it at all"> And the tea scene was meant to represent the madness of english society at the period of time and to teach children about it subconsiously, rather than just a funky and crazy scene. Please read the actual stories before you pick and not just decide by disney, but carry on... ~.~
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Good luck everyone and do well.
<Edit: Not trying to cause a fight or anything... >>; Just got like..2 hate-whispers... >>; >
29 Apr 2007 at 06:12 - 127
I understand why you would get upset over Alice and Wonderland and the assignment not giving it justice. But I believe Nilene and her crew were going for the Disney versions. If you noticed most of the princesses have a Disney adaption(except Anastasia, which has a cartoon movie). But if it weren't the Disney versions there wont be any males for most of the girls.
Not trying to fight, just trying to clear it up.
And yes most of us perfer the original Alice in Wonderland story to the Disney version...but we want to be more..."sane" I guess lol.
29 Apr 2007 at 06:14 - 128
Good luck everyone! I'm surprised by these results...
29 Apr 2007 at 06:19 - 129
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Originally Posted by Calluette Hanuette
The point was So, the one eliminated was someone that showed the month but showed it like everyone else? While someone who didn't go by the topic gets let free to continue? >>; Isn't that a bit off to some of you? Also Sihaya Syme (N) - 2 Votes, was popularity a factor? And if it was, isn't modeling a "art form that expresses feeling and emotion or portrays a scene alligned with a topic in a photograph" rather then popularity?
I just wanted to express my opinion about the decisions, yes I know they are all final, but still...
<Edit: Not trying to cause a fight or anything... >>; Just got like..2 hate-whispers... >>; >
Trust me when I say there is never a right or wrong in this competition. There is never an absolute choice. It will vary from person to person, and between us judges, we just felt that one was better than the other. There's alot that you guys dont see, one definite reason that made our decision sway to eliminating Sihaya Syme was that during the application rounds, we brought up her poses as an issue, and in the interview, I had discussed the issue of her poses in her application pictures. So believe me when I say you guys don't see 99.9% of what really goes on. We look at the big picture when we decide, how did they do last week? did they make the same mistakes? did they improve? We take alot into consideration when making our decision, and you guys don't see alot of it!
And of couse, everyone is entitled to their opinion! That's what make this so fun, everyone has their favorites, everyone has their opinions, and most of the time, they will differ!
29 Apr 2007 at 06:19 - 130
Calluette, did you follow the last Cycle of TNTM? Then you might have noticed that sometimes things just go like this. A "safe" image with nothing extravagant in it could be just as dangerous as missing the point of the assignment while looking interesting. I do agree with you on some points, but the judges always pick two for elimination and sometimes even the better one could get eliminated. Like Nilene said, there's tons of stuff us forum readers don't know about the judging process, or their reasons for choosing what they did.
And you know what, you just did bash some pictures. I found you could have made your point with less rudeness. This contest isn't run exactly like the ones in magazines, since you have to remember that this is GW. Sihaya's pose was safe and overused because the same pose was used last Cycle many times. In contrast, December's pose was never used before - rather she had a really refreshing idea that had never come up in previous GW TNTM entries. Please check the previous Cycle before saying what is unoriginal and what is not.
GW is a game, which means it has some limitations to posing and mood, so it can't be judged the same way as a magazine picture.
And as for the fairytale aspect... well, this assignment is clearly focused on Disney fairytales, not on the original ones. I'm a fairytale fanatic myself and I found tons of parts that I could hold a long lecture about (not just Alice), but since this contest is meant to be in good fun and appeal to the majority, I think the current way is a wonderful way of having it. Disney is familiar to all so reference materials shouldn't be hard to find. 
Lady Nilene, I love the idea of this assignment! It's going to be hard, but I can't wait to see what the contestants come up with.
29 Apr 2007 at 06:30 - 131
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Originally Posted by Perynne
Calluette, did you follow the last Cycle of TNTM? Then you might have noticed that sometimes things just go like this. A "safe" image with nothing extravagant in it could be just as dangerous as missing the point of the assignment while looking interesting. I do agree with you on some points, but the judges always pick two for elimination and sometimes even the better one could get eliminated. Like Nilene said, there's tons of stuff us forum readers don't know about the judging process, or their reasons for choosing what they did.
And you know what, you just did bash some pictures. I found you could have made your point with less rudeness. This contest isn't run exactly like the ones in magazines, since you have to remember that this is GW. Sihaya's pose was safe and overused because the same pose was used last Cycle many times. In contrast, December's pose was never used before - rather she had a really refreshing idea that had never come up in previous GW TNTM entries. Please check the previous Cycle before coming here and telling us what is unoriginal and what is not.
GW is a game, which means it has some limitations to posing and mood, so it can't be judged the same way as a magazine picture.
This is true, and I have already said I did not mean to bash. :. Still, just because something wasn't used in a previous contest of the game doesn't mean it is necessarily origonal and thus making it safe... :. Though I already said I knew that the pose she used was overused. And just to say, why should the secound cycle be so overly dependant on the first? I know its a game/guild wars, I just wanted to say what I thought using what was supplied to us. Without knowing what happens behind the scenes, no real opinion can be made, but I just wanted to show what I thought with what we were given.
29 Apr 2007 at 06:31 - 132
The fairy tale princess assignment was one of my favorite assignments in ANTM, So I'm totally looking forward to seeing what you ladies come up with!!
29 Apr 2007 at 06:45 - 133
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Originally Posted by Calluette Hanuette
This is true, and I have already said I did not mean to bash. :. Still, just because something wasn't used in a previous contest of the game doesn't mean it is necessarily origonal and thus making it safe... :. Though I already said I knew that the pose she used was overused. And just to say, why should the secound cycle be so overly dependant on the first? I know its a game/guild wars, I just wanted to say what I thought using what was supplied to us. Without knowing what happens behind the scenes, no real opinion can be made, but I just wanted to show what I thought with what we were given.
This Cycle isn't dependent on the previous Cycle, but a model can learn a lot about what works and what doesn't by looking at previous contests and images. If I remember correctly, the judges weren't impressed by that scratch pose last Cycle either, so chances are they wouldn't be impressed by it this time either.
You do have a point though, that just because something has not been done before, doesn't make it good. It could be original, but original is not always good-looking. That's when other considerations usually come into play, like lighting, background, mood, etc. And yeah, it's hard for us forum people to form opinions because we don't know what happens behind the scenes.
I was a contestant last Cycle (made it to top three) and there was lots of drama back then too. I had some strong opinions about some results that caused a bit of an uproar but it's only normal for a contest to get a bit heated. The judges are only human after all with opinions of their own. 
29 Apr 2007 at 07:09 - 134
YAY MILA!!! *High Five
Welcome to the 1st Week MOTW club! Keep up the good work and you'll be in the finale in no time.
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Originally Posted by Calluette Hanuette
Though I already said I knew that the pose she used was overused. And just to say, why should the secound cycle be so overly dependant on the first?
That's funny! Why should we compare absurdist theatre to poor theatre? Even though they are contemporary of one another, they are essentially opposites of the same line. They are compared upon one another to identify the significance and independence of each notion.
On a less serious note, you may say the same for this MUCH less significant competition. They are both competitions based in the same game. However, if you don't compare the two cycles, and don't base them on one another, nothing new or groundbreaking will come out of future cycles. Jaden last cycle was known for her/his tremendous talents at capturing action shots. It was truly individual. If we see something along those lines this cycle, then the viewer's will sorely feel that history is repeating itself. However, if ONE contestant here does something never seen before, that will make this cycle just that more memorable. It's a process of growth to learn from the past and make something new.
GO MILA GO !
29 Apr 2007 at 07:33 - 135
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Originally Posted by Geishe
That's funny! Why should we compare absurdist theatre to poor theatre? Even though they are contemporary of one another, they are essentially opposites of the same line. They are compared upon one another to identify the significance and independence of each notion.
On a less serious note, you may say the same for this MUCH less significant competition. They are both competitions based in the same game. However, if you don't compare the two cycles, and don't base them on one another, nothing new or groundbreaking will come out of future cycles. Jaden last cycle was known for her/his tremendous talents at capturing action shots. It was truly individual. If we see something along those lines this cycle, then the viewer's will sorely feel that history is repeating itself. However, if ONE contestant here does something never seen before, that will make this cycle just that more memorable. It's a process of growth to learn from the past and make something new.
But to live and forget is to continue on with the new and to lose the old. And just because two things are simular does not mean that they should be compared. Comical Drama and scatological humor are not usually compared, but they are so simular they are even in the same genre of humor. No two people are ever alike, so why compare the beautiful shots of the assassin to some of the shots we have here? Action shots and nature shots are not nearly the same thing, yet both are things of beauty, no? If you compare them too much, will they not eventually become one-to-one? If you see something amazing, but you see that is amazing and you deduct its wonder because someone did something simular, then is it still not amazing? And if so, why compare it if you just make it something less then what it was?
29 Apr 2007 at 07:37 - 136
Crud... nobody I know has a Male Mesmer!
If anyone here has a Male Mesmer that looks like this
and has completed a portion of Factions up to Naphui Quarter
and would like to participate in Photo Shoot PM me here on Guru!
29 Apr 2007 at 07:49 - 137
Congratulations Mila ^^! You deserved it!
Sihaya Syme, you can still continue making pictures for the assignments and stuff, you should ! I also love your necro!
Hope I'll do better in the future too..
EDIT: Just saw there was another page O.O! Oooh fairytales! I hope my friend's got a male and is willing to do as I command ;p! Gonna be loads of fun !!
29 Apr 2007 at 08:18 - 138
Congratulations Mila! <3 That shot was lovely.
Alice in Wonderland? Oh my goodness, this is going to be a tricky one. I'll have to get searching I guess.Sounds like alot of fun!
29 Apr 2007 at 08:47 - 139
Wow! Thankyou for all the nice comments! ^^ I'm over the mooon!
This assignment is going to be awesome! Tricky, but I'm a big sucker for Disney movies so this is a great fun one!
Edit: ROFL! Just saw your comments Geishe!! Makes me feel like we're racing! *ruuuun*
29 Apr 2007 at 09:00 - 140
Caluette, thanks for your support! I really appreciate it. But it's true that the Lady talked to me about the lack of poses in my application pics, and I told her I intended to work on that.
I took dozens of pictures, one of them this one:
I didn't pick this because it wasn't November enough for me... (I scaled it down, she's bigger in the original but I don't want to break thread rules xD) Perhaps I should have picked this, but it's too late to wonder about that.
When I got my evaluation yesterday, I fully expected to be left out, since I hadn't been able to mend my weak spot.
Someone had to lose, and it's no shame coming behind any of these beautiful women.
Congratulations Mila, and all the others. You did great. I still think I did great too, that shot has been my background for a week and I'm in love with how it looks. So don't feel bad about me! I'll be here, posting my version of the assignments, and supporting the rest of you! Feel free to PM me at any time if you need someone to talk to!
Love to you all,
Sihaya
P.S. Lady Nilene, is it okay if I email you to ask why you guys decided to make me one of the final twelve? I'm curious as to what it was that gave me the chance to be in
29 Apr 2007 at 11:28 - 141
Well well, congrats to Mila for the cover girl status and congrats to everyone else too on your beautiful pictures. I would so much like to also see some bigger versions of the last photoshoot. It's hard to tell everything when they have been resized. Some of my personal favourites are definatelly Arala's, Lokii's, B's and Szei's. Good work girls!
I find this new photoshoot to be quite a challenge! Everyone really has to find their matching counterparts(and that's 2 for Arala) on top of finding some great scenery which is sure to be anything but easy. I guess I'll be aiding my muse Szei with her photoshoot as I seem to have secured a position as her official assistant. x_X
Well I already have some ideas to share for this, gotta wait for Szei to return our hOUSE. (I did the dishes, it's safe now!)
Good luck with this assignment everyone and don't get too stressed over it!
29 Apr 2007 at 20:47 - 142
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Originally Posted by Sihaya Syme
Caluette, thanks for your support! I really appreciate it. But it's true that the Lady talked to me about the lack of poses in my application pics, and I told her I intended to work on that.
I took dozens of pictures, one of them this one:
I didn't pick this because it wasn't November enough for me... (I scaled it down, she's bigger in the original but I don't want to break thread rules xD) Perhaps I should have picked this, but it's too late to wonder about that.
When I got my evaluation yesterday, I fully expected to be left out, since I hadn't been able to mend my weak spot.
Someone had to lose, and it's no shame coming behind any of these beautiful women.
Congratulations Mila, and all the others. You did great. I still think I did great too, that shot has been my background for a week and I'm in love with how it looks. So don't feel bad about me! I'll be here, posting my version of the assignments, and supporting the rest of you! Feel free to PM me at any time if you need someone to talk to!
Love to you all,
Sihaya
P.S. Lady Nilene, is it okay if I email you to ask why you guys decided to make me one of the final twelve? I'm curious as to what it was that gave me the chance to be in
Wow .. that shot looks really cool. the emote you use there to slightly hide behind the tree makes her look so cute XD.And yes go on with improving! Even if you didn't pass this time ... just try to become so good at taking screens until you become so good at it that you might be able to crush us all and put us in shame.Iguess it's the only encouragement i can leave you .
Good Luck
29 Apr 2007 at 20:51 - 143
Thank you
29 Apr 2007 at 22:09 - 144
Watching this so far I noticed something.
With this new assignment Mila got the easiest princess to do. (We all know Vabbian is the Aladdin theme) And she already has the vabbian armor in the vabbian area so all she really needs to do is look pretty. Just seems she's getting a good head start UNLESS the judges are going to be strict with her pictures since she has a place and theme and armor picked out for her. This isn't about Mila though it's about the judge's decisions.
About the last assignment I find Mila's picture was very well done yet it was too big and had some flaws within it that the judge's pointed out. Yet Lokii's pic is the only one I saw that had no comments on flaws whatsoever. So I want to know where did those extra three points came from between Lokii and Mila's scores.
29 Apr 2007 at 22:25 - 145
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Originally Posted by Detis Zan
Watching this so far I noticed something.
With this new assignment Mila got the easiest princess to do. (We all know Vabbian is the Aladdin theme) And she already has the vabbian armor in the vabbian area so all she really needs to do is look pretty. Just seems she's getting a good head start UNLESS the judges are going to be strict with her pictures since she has a place and theme and armor picked out for her. This isn't about Mila though it's about the judge's decisions.
About the last assignment I find Mila's picture was very well done yet it was too big and had some flaws within it that the judge's pointed out. Yet Lokii's pic is the only one I saw that had no comments on flaws whatsoever. So I want to know where did those extra three points came from between Lokii and Mila's scores.
They don't display all of the comments/evaluations, because that would be way to much text - they basically only say the key things that are done right or wrong in the photo's - so they may have said something negative about Lokii's shot that wasn't displayed in that post.
In cycle 1, week 3, I and Jaden were both up for MOTW, in the actual post, there was no negative comments about my photo, but there was a few about Jaden's, yet she still won MOTW that week - As Nilene has said, there is many other factors when they make certain decisions, and those factors may not be visible to everyone, but they are there.
29 Apr 2007 at 22:54 - 146
wow great shots everyone! i absolutely love Mango's shot, you look so peaceful and perfectly work with the background and the fall mood. And, i havent seen anyone use /beg either, so no matter what the judges say, your shot is amazing
and congradz Mila for MOTW
i cant wait to see the new assignment photos! this assignment is so interesting and original, but i feel that it should have been done later on in the competition, because i think the models need little more experience in the competition before making such a hard assignment. this is by far the hardest assignment I've seen in TNTM, and ill definetly try it myself, but ill pick a princess that wasn't chosen by Nilene ;D
to the eliminated contestant: the judges always make a difficult decision about who to eliminate, it cant be done without little prejudice towards the eliminated contestant, no matter who he/she is and what was the reasoning behind a shot that was judged being poor. but this is a competition, and every week someone has to "go home", if it wouldn't be you, it would be someone else who would have their own opinion about who should have been eliminated instead and why their picture was good (thats why they sent it in right?)
don't have any hard feelings, this is a competition, and the best thing you can learn from it is to loose gracefully, because anyone can win with a nice face, yet to loose is harder. all along the competition there will be nervousness, feeling that you weren't judged fair sometimes, but this is a photo shoot competition, not a math exam where the winner is DEFENETLY the one who has the more %, and the judges have their reasons behind every elimination. i understand that having more points. yet not having MOTW while having more score, feels like coming first at a race, and getting the silver medal insted of the gold, but do not forget that the judges must look at the pictures as magazine and catalog pictures, not only pretty shots with great colors and composition. Personally i prefer by far Loki's picture, but the judges have their own reasoning.
good luck to all of you on the next assignment
29 Apr 2007 at 23:41 - 147
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Originally Posted by Detis Zan
Watching this so far I noticed something.
With this new assignment Mila got the easiest princess to do. (We all know Vabbian is the Aladdin theme) And she already has the vabbian armor in the vabbian area so all she really needs to do is look pretty. Just seems she's getting a good head start UNLESS the judges are going to be strict with her pictures since she has a place and theme and armor picked out for her. This isn't about Mila though it's about the judge's decisions.
About the last assignment I find Mila's picture was very well done yet it was too big and had some flaws within it that the judge's pointed out. Yet Lokii's pic is the only one I saw that had no comments on flaws whatsoever. So I want to know where did those extra three points came from between Lokii and Mila's scores.
It's all subjective really.
And I'm sure Mila's not getting the easiest job. Since she started off so strong, all the pressure will be on her to keep up the good work, one little flaw will cost. A lot. So what you said was a little too biased and rude to both the judges and Mila herself.
Lastly, if all the judges had to reply to every single fan complaint, they will be up 24/7 sending out explanations. Just trust their work, the contestant's works and attitudes should more than speak for itself.
GO MILA GO! Run run run, you're gonna make it. Instincts.
30 Apr 2007 at 01:27 - 148
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Originally Posted by Detis Zan
So I want to know where did those extra three points came from between Lokii and Mila's scores.
I can think of one reason, based on what the judges said. Mila's actual appearance in her shot was very model-esque, long and lean and graceful, while Lokii's physique was more "curvy and cute". It is a modelling competition, after all, so it's not unreasonable that how well the physique matches the conventional model "look" will count (though it's easy to forget the factor of appearances in a game where every character has perfect figure/face/hair :P ).
30 Apr 2007 at 02:54 - 149
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Originally Posted by Detis Zan
Watching this so far I noticed something.
With this new assignment Mila got the easiest princess to do. (We all know Vabbian is the Aladdin theme) And she already has the vabbian armor in the vabbian area so all she really needs to do is look pretty. Just seems she's getting a good head start UNLESS the judges are going to be strict with her pictures since she has a place and theme and armor picked out for her. This isn't about Mila though it's about the judge's decisions.
About the last assignment I find Mila's picture was very well done yet it was too big and had some flaws within it that the judge's pointed out. Yet Lokii's pic is the only one I saw that had no comments on flaws whatsoever. So I want to know where did those extra three points came from between Lokii and Mila's scores.
Ok, lets see if I can clear some stuff here since its causing problems.
With the easier assignment, its the luck of the draw. I didn't see anyone complain about the Calendar shoot, and lets be honest, the people who had the fall months had a harder time than the people with the summer/winter months. If you watch the show when they did the "High School Stereotypes" (The teachers pet, the slut, the class clown, the nerd, the jock, etc) this season, do you think these girls get to choose which stereotype they get to portray? This is classic Renee, who complained about every "character" she had to portray, always stating that she could've done better if she was given this character to portray and what not. As a model, its not your job to determine what you look good in, designers and photohsoot directors give these girls the outfit, assigned them the hair, makeup, etc. It is the models job to work it and make it great regardless if one outfit looks better than the other or whatever. Welcome to the industry lol
I don't favor any one person when I assigned these assignments, I try and look for who they are best suited for, so they can work around and produce the best shot they can. And besides, just because someone seems to have the easiest character, doesn't mean they're shot is going to be flawless.
Biggest flaw in Lokii Dia's shot is that her outfit is completely lost in the background, if not for her dark skin, she might as well just be a head in a head shot. Love the color scheme, but dont go matchy matchy to the point where you're lost in the background. Mila's shot, her top matched the colors as well, but the contrast between the light sky and the darker top was more dominantly present versus Lokii's.
This is an issue we deal with alot, all I can stress upon is that we are very particular and very decisive in our decisions. And for the decision between the two highest score and why the highest doesnt always win is that we debate between the two, and maybe someone will point out a flaw or something that the other two didn't notice and will favor the other. There are many reasons that our decision can be swayed one way or the other at that point, it is very subjective to some aspect. We debate on our decision for quite some time, and the transcript can get pretty overwhelming.
I hope this can give some light into everything, all I can say is that I do hold the integrity of my contest very seriously. I will be the first to say that I'm a total flake at times, but my contest and its integrity are all very important to me, and I will uphold them to the highest standard I can. I am only biased to the one I feel performed best. And I will fight for that person until I prevail or am persuaded otherwise. Same for eliminations.
If there are any other questions or concerns, feel free to comment! Everyone's opinion is respected!
30 Apr 2007 at 04:21 - 150
Thank you Lady for setting it straight so I can understand all the better.
Geishe please be nice, I said I liked Mila's work and asked simple questions I wanted to understand about and I was blunt. Don't point me out as rude or biased this was one of the things I've noticed and Lady answered it without calling me out as rude and biased.
Sorry for pointing out something I didn't understand.
30 Apr 2007 at 08:47 - 151
Ok, Hello. Just woke up lol. I don't particularly think I got the easiest assignment. I don't think you should underestimate the effort that these models are putting in either.
I don't think I'm being given a good head start, for my assignment theres more to it than looking pretty. Everyone needs a male model. The aim is to convey the character & try and pull them off as well as possible.
As for the month of July, I spent a good few hours trying to come up with something original and different for July, (scouting Elona hehe) but in the end I tried to go with the first place i arrived at, and do something different.
But you are entitled to your opinion. Admittedly, it is slightly different from the models perspective, I used to take screens & post in the TNTM Cycle 1 Thread, but its different having screenie requirements than being able to freely take your shots.
I think I've rambled a wee bit =P
(Geishe's enthusiasm makes me laugh ^^)
30 Apr 2007 at 08:51 - 152
I also feel that this is a bit too tricky, restricted and troublesome for a second assignment, but I guess we'll just have to work hard then. Luckily I already found a nice spot for my photoshoot, so now I'll just have to play a male mes far enough to be able to take those duo shots. Otherwise... Norgu, would you come over here for a sec?
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Originally Posted by LadyNilene
you can certainly fill the poor, pauper look with some of the armor you have
I hope you don't mean my armor sets look poor :'D.
30 Apr 2007 at 13:33 - 153
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Originally Posted by Detis Zan
Geishe please be nice, I said I liked Mila's work and asked simple questions I wanted to understand about and I was blunt.
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Oh well. I'm sure everyone's pictures will turn out great. ^^