Hard Mode: Are there even enough players?

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

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If you're in Hard Mode and use the party search window, it flags you as Hard Mode.

Just need to start using it!

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSecorsky
If you're in Hard Mode and use the party search window, it flags you as Hard Mode.

Just need to start using it!
That is useless since there is barely ever anybody in the town who wants to do hard mode, and most often, not even one person.

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
That is useless since there is barely ever anybody in the town who wants to do hard mode, and most often, not even one person.
True, just pointing out that there is a means to identify people LFG hard mode if they use it.

The other day I saw a monk spamming for a hard mode group for a mission, and not getting one.

tyche7

tyche7

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Nebraska

The Killer Panda Bears

W/Mo

I for one am finding the same thing and until we can bring 7 heroes with better AI or until there is some way to meet up with people easier I won't get to do a lot of hard mode mishs that I really really really want to do (yes I don't need to but on that token, humans don't NEED sex to survive but look at how many people seek it). Crude analogy but come on people -- this thread is about finding people in hard mode so don't complain that we don't "need" hard mode. That's not what this post is about at all.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
Where does it say Hard Mode is mandatory?
Exactly and there are those out there with more than 1 account who are working on getting their other car through other camps.Who really asked for Hard Mode was it the community or was it a idea by Anet to give more replayablity?There are those who beat NF already and are taking a break and or are planning a trip or just relaxing.There maybe more ppl playing then WoW but doing their own thing like farming etc.I would of asked this question do we really need Hard Mode.

I who plays Monk does not want to go warping through missions and such for a title and I still don't have protector on any camp.Players are doing that as well.

Personette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by tyche7
(yes I don't need to but on that token, humans don't NEED sex to survive but look at how many people seek it).
I think the survival of the species is pretty darn dependent on sex. Sorry, dude, but you're wrong on this one.

Nkah Sennyt

Nkah Sennyt

Awaken from hiatus.

Join Date: Apr 2006

Riding the spiral.

No Fun Allowed [Vdya]

You know this as well as I do, Syria - friends > PuGs. Just yell at Alleji or myself, darlin'.

Yaga Philipe

Yaga Philipe

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Insanity

Vis Decus Vertus [vDv]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
I'm hoping a solution is found in henchman and heroes. I can't play with guildies because of my hours of play.
Join a different guild that has the same playing hours.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tyche7
(yes I don't need to but on that token, humans don't NEED sex to survive but look at how many people seek it)
As far as I know, if we don't have that we don't have new people. We'll die out in around 100 years.

Orinn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Defiant Dragons

There is a forum on these boards for forming your own groups as well. Other fansites offer a similar way of finding people other than shouting "LFG" and asking guildies.

Kind of a shame tht that forum isn't in use much, but maybe it'll see a bit more action now?

FlameoutAlchemist

FlameoutAlchemist

Hitmonk Extraordinarre!!

Join Date: Jan 2007

Lurking moar on my forums

Starvin Chillin on Lincoln Drive [MAFB]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaga Philipe
Join a different guild that has the same playing hours.
I'm hoping hard mode seriously doesn't have to start coming to this - People having to abandon their established guilds or friend's guilds just to get hard mode done. Seriously, should those of us not blessed with large guilds have to leave ours just to make it through hard mode? Meh.

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
Having tried the mission several times now with synced groups (granted we had a number of heroes) and at best getting to the second last group, I would be amazed if someone was able to do it with henchmen on the Togo team. Perhaps the Sunspear/Lightbringer skills that are late will make a bigger difference, but until then I am skeptical about what the testers were using to achieve this.
I had a group with 3 humans in in, the other side was 2 players + heroes: PWNT Vizunah. Henchmen are not an option indeed and it was hard as hell, but we made it. People needing help with missions can PM me anyway (LF 2 mm's, 1 curses, 2 monks, 2 nukers for eternal grove :P). I found it pretty frustrating too that finding a party takes an eternity. I actually finished 3 missions with the same people, we didnt want to split up after we got something good going on.

I just wanted to say that with a little bit of determination a lot can be possible. I feel your pain though, from all canthan missions I have yet to do: Gyala, Arborstone, Unwaking Waters, Eternal Grove and Sunjiang District. None of those are very easy I can telll you ><

Anyways, Only my ranger has full access to all of tyria, including pre-searing, but for factions and nightfall I have:
Ritualist
Necro
Warrior
Monk
Ranger
Ele
all geared up and ready to go.

As for people needing a few tips:
Zen Dajun:
Kill eles first, watch your ass around yijo, he uses spirit rift so you have 3 seconds to run away before it goes off
Raisu Palace:
2 eles with celestial storm make that one a walk in the park, do not use melee henchmen, only people
Imperial Snactum:
same tricks, shiro is stronger. Time empathy, insidious or SS on the moment he uses impossible odds and hes out.
Tahnakai Temple:
something around Classic b/p group with a splinter weapon ritu and 2 monks will do the job
Vizunah:
Shields up, Aegis, wards, good tanks to block the stairs.
Boreas Seabed:
Same recipe, spread out when fighting argo, watch out for deaman, and dont underestiimate the pets, kraken is still easy with good interrupts
Naphui Quarter:
Turtle is a pest, spell breaker might be an option, the rest is fairly easy, start at the right teleport and save turtle for last

General tip when fighting afflicted:
Watch out for broad head arrow spikes, kill eles first.

the_jos

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

N/

Well, our guild decided to go Hard Mode, so there will be more players.
When we don't get all positions covered, we fill with pick-up.
This would benefit us (we get an other hand) and the pick-ups (we know the drills).

-Loki-

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
Time to put your guildies to good use
Or even your friends.

Xanthar

Xanthar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Earls Cendr??e [TEA]

I see people complaining that they now "need" to leave their largely inactive guilds. Why? It's a simple choice - Either stay with your old guild and go through the pain of assembling a PUG or switch guilds, get some actual interaction with other people and fun rides through every mission in the game.

Seems like a no-brainer to me, but peoples tastes differ I guess. As for me, I'd always take a new active guild over an old friendly but dead guild.

Besides: Hard Mode is too easy. Better NPC AI is needed to make it a challenge.

cyberjanet

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekretaal
I dont think there are enough people.
Well, I haven't played in hard mode yet, though I qualify. In fact, I haven't even been playing in normal mode. I think my Guild has wondered what has happened to me because I'm usually always around to help.

[This is still one sulky necromancer.]

I'm still deciding whether to dust off my assassin and learn to play that class [funny, I finished Factions with her and I still don't really know how to play an assassin], or whether I should devote more time to my ranger.

A ranger is not a particularly powerful character, so I don't know if that's my best choice for hard mode. She does fine in FoW as part of a splinter barrage team and I guess I could try that combo.

So perhaps the reason there are not enough people is not hard mode itself. I'm not l337 and never have been. I play to have fun. The fun was taken out of my main character by a certain nerf. I don't know that hard mode is going to replace the fun and right now, I'd rather do the ironing.

SuperDave

SuperDave

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

South Africa

Forever Knights

Mo/

Sadly, no, I don' think there's enough players for HM...
Did the first few mission in Tyria in HM with PUGs, only because it was new.. and sadly now the novelty I think has worn off. Did Sanctum Cay with a guildie and heroes, and have pretty much been henching the rest.

I only have the Southern Shiverpeaks, Ring of Fire and the Maguuma Jungle missions to do. I've been in the Jungle looking for ppl, but alas..it is a tomb. The only players to be found there are some very lonely lvl14-18s, and the occasional lost adventurer. This makes me very sad..

I'm loving every bit of Hard Mode, and doing it on your own raises that same old MMORPG vs GW Single Player debate.

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Sadly, no, I don' think there's enough players for HM...
Did the first few mission in Tyria in HM with PUGs, only because it was new.. and sadly now the novelty I think has worn off. Did Sanctum Cay with a guildie and heroes, and have pretty much been henching the rest.

I only have the Southern Shiverpeaks, Ring of Fire and the Maguuma Jungle missions to do. I've been in the Jungle looking for ppl, but alas..it is a tomb. The only players to be found there are some very lonely lvl14-18s, and the occasional lost adventurer. This makes me very sad..

I'm loving every bit of Hard Mode, and doing it on your own raises that same old MMORPG vs GW Single Player debate.
Yeah, there is a big whine thread about 7 heroes in a party though, which makes me wonder. If you can whine on a forum you can also ask people for help on the same forum.
Whatever, if GW was really a single player game I would uninstall and play dungeon siege 2. Thank goodness for PvP.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ensign
Guild Wars certainly does have more players online at any given time than any particular WoW server.
And most of them are running around in a small selection of near-identical arenas, killing each other.
Hooray for PvP... not. I for one wish they'd get their arses in gear and give us better AI... then I'd never need to bother with another human again.


Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberjanet
A ranger is not a particularly powerful character, so I don't know if that's my best choice for hard mode. She does fine in FoW as part of a splinter barrage team and I guess I could try that combo.
Want to cheat the class and go Thumper or Toucher?
Thats what the gimps in Alliance Battles seem to do, and I hate them for it.... or at least the touchers... The Thumpers are still susceptible to Insidious Parasite.

Tide to Go

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

I War Torn I [Torn]

N/Me

i got left behind, spent the whole week when hard mode came out to just hang out in the real world.....and now all the partys in the ascalon region suck, they don't really know what to do!

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
What should have happened was a Protector req. (...) to enter Hard Mode
For me it's not the difficulty, but the fact that Tyrian Protector tirle requires the out-of-character act of attempting to kidnap one of Glint's chilfren.

Quote:
then separate the districts between Hard Mode and Normal Mode. That would have ensure that Hard Mode players are easily found,
Use the search, be the first if you have to be. Most players wanting to go hard mode will be aware of it's functionality. The more they see it used, they more they'll use it.

Look around in outposts and not the main cities, Grendich Courthouse, Ice Tooth Caves. People you see there are more likely not currently following the main story line.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterial
As far as I can tell, all of their kiting and AoE avoidance has been completely turned off.
The foes in Hard Mode have their movement speed increased, kiting doesn't work very well then.

cyberjanet

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Want to cheat the class and go Thumper or Toucher?
Thats what the gimps in Alliance Battles seem to do, and I hate them for it.... or at least the touchers... The Thumpers are still susceptible to Insidious Parasite.
I actually went and capped Offering of Blood or whatever it was for toucher and put together a build. It worked great in normal mode ascalon when I went off to get the free necromancer spells... The build guide says it's not great in PvE, but I'll have to play with it a bit.

I hadn't thought of Thumper...hmm, I can try that too. Thanks for the suggestion.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amy Awien
For me it's not the difficulty, but the fact that Tyrian Protector tirle requires the out-of-character act of attempting to kidnap one of Glint's chilfren.
And you're not puzzled at all that the world's only original dragon for the past few hundred years or so.... has a clutch of eggs?
It might just be that the player character got puzzled as to how Glint managed to produce fertile eggs without a mate in the first place?

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by SotiCoto
And you're not puzzled at all that the world's only original dragon for the past few hundred years or so.... has a clutch of eggs?
It might just be that the player character got puzzled as to how Glint managed to produce fertile eggs without a mate in the first place?
Glint reproduces a-sexually, it happens often in the animal world.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberjanet
I actually went and capped Offering of Blood or whatever it was for toucher and put together a build. It worked great in normal mode ascalon when I went off to get the free necromancer spells... The build guide says it's not great in PvE, but I'll have to play with it a bit.

I hadn't thought of Thumper...hmm, I can try that too. Thanks for the suggestion.
Toucher does actually work quite well. Its damage output can remain pretty constant and its only really counterable by the very high level SS necros outside of Nightfall and 'Cant touch this'. Sucks for utility though... BHA is better for Hard mode.

Quote:
Glint reproduces a-sexually, it happens often in the animal world.
That or we're gonna have 1 pissed off 'mate' coming after us

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberjanet
A ranger is not a particularly powerful character, so I don't know if that's my best choice for hard mode. She does fine in FoW as part of a splinter barrage team and I guess I could try that combo.
Define powerful? If you term powerful as the ability to rain meteors on someone then blow them to pieces with a Fireball or to rush in and slice 6 foes to death with an axe... then no.
Would you call a mesmer powerful? I would. The ability to make AI commit suicide for doing something is an extremely powerful tool, because they WILL do it regardless (apart from casting through Backfire if it will kill them anyway, they cast through Mistrust though ).

Rangers are just a different form of mesmer in that respect. Broadhead Arrow is extremely powerful in Hard Mode. Why spend ages trying to nuke a backline monk who only kites before the Meteor Shower even hits when you can just hit him with BHA and leave a warrior to interrupt it to death while you spread poison around on everything else while they kill themselves through Curses/Domination hexes. I've practically stopped using Fire ele heros. Warders keep you alive alot longer.

Divinus Stella

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

The whole attraction of hardmode for me is playing with actual people, i got really sick of nightfall PvE just being a single player game but with hardmode added ive actually been enjoying PvE a lot more.

It is really hard to find groups, even harder to find ones that are good enough to use ventrilo, the only way which ive managed so far is with friendslist and guild groups.

wynoski

wynoski

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

In a hot spot

United Vanguard [UV]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Stella
The whole attraction of hardmode for me is playing with actual people, i got really sick of nightfall PvE just being a single player game but with hardmode added ive actually been enjoying PvE a lot more.

It is really hard to find groups, even harder to find ones that are good enough to use ventrilo, the only way which ive managed so far is with friendslist and guild groups.
Its good that you like to play with people...I usually do not. I have a new born daughter and only a short amount of time to play...the last two nights I fell asleep during an attempt to vanquish an area.

SO far I have only done plains of Jarin and Zehlon Reach, but with all heros...you might be having diffuculty finding people because of that...Also, so far I have not seen an need for vent/TS...maybe in DOA..

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Stella
The whole attraction of hardmode for me is playing with actual people, i got really sick of nightfall PvE just being a single player game but with hardmode added ive actually been enjoying PvE a lot more.

It is really hard to find groups, even harder to find ones that are good enough to use ventrilo, the only way which ive managed so far is with friendslist and guild groups.
I love you man, NF is the perfect example. I don't hate heroes, but if I advertise for a team in an outpost and i read: OMG use heroes NOOB! then I know there's something wrong ^^.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

My hierarchy of playing preference:

Playing with friends (plus heroes) > playing with just AI assistants > playing with strangers.

What can I say, I dislike playing with strangers because it just takes too damn long to get going, and they're (generally speaking) too demanding.

When I log on, I want to be running around killing stuff within 5 minutes tops. If I can't manage that with real people, I'm off with heroes. They don't tell me what build to bring, they don't go afk at the drop of a hat and they don't mind if I myself go afk for whatever reason I see fit.

Playing with friends is different, because, well, they're friends.

Having said all that, I might have to start playing with strangers to tackle every aspect of HM. Half of my guildies (friends) aren't much interested in HM, and the other half aren't always playing when I am, and playing HM with just AI aid is getting a bit too time-consuming if not outright impossible. (Then again, perhaps PuGging will turn out to be an even worse waste of time. )

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arduinna
Glint reproduces a-sexually, it happens often in the animal world.
Not among amniotes.
In fact... as far as I'm aware it is completely impossible among amniotes.
Glint is an amniote... If you don't believe me then just take a look at her eggs...

^_^

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
That or we're gonna have 1 pissed off 'mate' coming after us
And I'd imagine being dead wouldn't stop him either... if he is who / where I think he is.
[*CoughRotscaleCough*]

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Didn't you hear? She's got a few monster skills: Crystal Bonds, Crystal Haze, Jagged Crystal Skin, Crystal Hibernation, Crystal Insemination.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gli
Didn't you hear? She's got a few monster skills: Crystal Bonds, Crystal Haze, Jagged Crystal Skin, Crystal Hibernation, Crystal Insemination.
Glint is a she-male? ... A lady-man? ....
Dude...
SO Wrong.
>_<;

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

I was going to delete some posts that were off topic, but then I realized this whole page is off topic, so Closed.