Amount Explored Box

now that we have hard mode and the amount of enemies vanquished box this gives me an idea, so many people are going for explorer titles but dont know if they compleatly explored an area. so why dont you put a box like the vanquisher box saying the % of the current aera your in explored.

now some people who have grandmaster will say this is cheating them but its not, you still have to find all those small little nooks and crannies you are missing but at least you wont spend 12 hours wall walking an aera you already 100% explored. this would still make the title worth something but it would also make it where you dont have to spend years to get everthing.

please post your thoughts but please keep out "i did it so you have to suffer too" as much as possible lol

All you need to get around spending that time walking on walls is using the tabbing back and forth between the game and a map technique. I like the idea but I don't really see it as necessary.

/signed

i have 95.5% for tyria, cant find the last 4.5%

/signed.....

I have all areas... and... I know that there are aras you can't explore 100% no matter how hard you try.

This would not really help, since you won't really know if the area is fully explored.

What I would do is to give a little more 'advantage' to the Canthan and Tyrian titles.

The Elonain can be get without exploring half of Shajala (I alrady have it half unexplored). But you need almost everything and even Missions, Challenges and competitive mission in Cantha and Tyria.

.Signed sounds like a good idea it will really help you, but it should only happen after you vanquish the area to make it harder eh?

I suppose this is cheating... but then again it does save a lot of time and frustration. And it isnt telling you exactly what you missed where, just that you missed in this general area.

/signed

i complety agree this would be so much better an it would still be frikken hard lol cuzz u still wouldnt know where u was missin it at and/or what other places on ur map u havnt gott yet eaither so ya im all for it hook us up anet

/notsigned

Cartographer is really not a hard title to earn. Time consuming, but certainly not hard. It's quite easy with the help of the cartographer guide threads in the respective continent's Explorer Leagues.

If you want the title, work for it.

4.5% is actually still quite a bit left. Unless you've got lots and lots of areas with very very very little to uncover, go get a map of 100% uncovered Tyria and compare as it will be easy to tell what you're missing. And if you can't, ask the other people around there if they can.

Really, they're not hard titles and they're actually pretty forgiving titles. Using comparison maps with Photoshop, I was able to get 100% of Elona with several small areas left that I could have uncovered and 100% of Tyria with having decent portions of Frost Gate, Sanctum Cay and Great Northern Wall still unexplored.

I was surprised this wasn't included with the introduction of the title.

/signed

Yeah i was just thinking the same thing this morning how a amount explored number should appear on your map. I have about 94% of Tyira 93& of cantha and 97%of Elona... an edition of this would make the last specks very easy to find ... some may say too easy and might ruin the effect of the explorer title. However the last few specks are always a pain to find. Maybe this should only be visible when 100% of the portal area has been explored, that way the one with no number would need exploring this would take the easiness of it down a bit as you wouldnt be able to say hey i got 50% i need more youd just be able to see that you need more if it doesnt say 100%. Kind of like the Vanquisher title in that respect.

/signed, even though I never think I will bother with exploring titles again, already have 92% on a warrior and it is very boring. But for the people who want this title. Go for it.

MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT 10 TIMES

Use the search option.

And I've said this about 10 times before aswell, and I know not everyone agrees. Generally the people who are too lazey to explore.

We dont need % marks on seperate areas.

Exploration at 100% is possible with time and effort and dedication. If you havent got the time to explore, then DONT explore.

The people who complain about exploration and ask for seperate % marks, are the people who start exploring because their under the impression its easy.

The think its easy because of the stigmata around exploration. Everyone says "ah... grandmaster is easy to get", then they start exploring and soon realise its not.

Then they winge and complain that they cant be bothered to hug walls, and analyse maps and use the countless other methods that exist to aid exploration.

If you dont want to spend hours exploring, then DONT explore. It takes alot of time, and it can get frustrating and it can wind you up. If you cant handle that, then dont start.

/not signed at % marks for areas.

Just do it the same way that all the 1000s of other grandmasters and legendary cartogs have done it.

And yes, adding % is cheating and it is unfair to existing grandmasters. Placing a % on a set area section, gives a HUGE advantage to the player and its a kick in the teath for existing grandmasters.

But because you all keep complaining about it, you know fine well Anet will cave in and add it anyway. And then exploration will be easy. Then you will get laughed at for having grandmaster.

It will completely remove any diginity the title has.

would help, actually, would really help
/signed

/signed
I have Canthan Grandmaster Cartographer title but I was ready to kill someone when I stuck on 99.9%. It turns out you have to be banished by Shiro to get that last 0.1%
If they do that percentage per area I'll go ahead and explore Tyria and Elona... in a hard mode But otherwise it's just bouring routine.

/signed

This would be a nice feature. Not cheating, but at least it gives the general impression of where you are missing chunks.

To those that say, wtf, why don't you look at photos, windowed comparision, hunt for threads and other what nots. All these things show that we really need a simple effective system like a percentage box. It SOLVES the problem of people constants asking repetitive questions unless they genuinely have a problem that experts need step in and give advice.

being stuck at 99.9 is like being in hell on Earth!

/not signed

Been mentioned before and it's still a useless idea.

Just edge the zones, don't use any speed buffs (except for Dunes and Northern Wall - rfor me anyway), and go on an angle to all walls so you find those secret niches. And you pretty much have to kill everything. So you could do this while getting Vanquisher to work on two titles at the same time.

GMC on Tyria was the only time I ever used a difference map. Cantha and Elona almost give you the title through straight game play.

Also check out the thread in the Tyrian Explorer's League for map analysis and pointers.

Next, those can't get the title will be asking for a contrast between unfoggable areas and permanently fogged areas. Invest some time and effort in this title. Redo and clear every zone in the game if you have to.

ok first of all people cheat by useing images anyway, this also wont be a huge change cause all it does is take away useless time, running in an area you already explored. this wont show on the large map so you stipp have to go to every area to do this.

grandmaster will still be a pain in the ass but this will stop useless time. and in the end that is Anets goal. Anet wants GW to be a game that eliminates too much grinding and make the overall play experience much more fun and i do believe this will do jsut that.

really the only opjections i see now are "i did it now you have to too".

Looking at images isnt cheating. Its using your intelligence. If you can get your hands on a map to compare and you dont, then your stupid.

Adding %s to the map is cheating, because its completely unfair to the 10000s of players who already have 100% on the maps.

Players who DID compare maps, and did use their heads.

And again, very simple...

...IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT %!!! Stop asking for them, and just work at it. Alot of those who ask for this, dont even care about exploring. You just want another 3 maxed titles, and you want them as easily and fast as you can.

/signed

Anything to irritate the grinders who gainsay everything as not fair.

Great idea.. I searched for this idea before posting it again (glad i did or i might get in trouble off the OMFG THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BEFORE brigade)

/signed /signed and double signed.

I don't know how anyone can say adding a % explored is cheating.

Nobody calls standing in the nine rings to win a lucky title while being afk is cheating even though getting the title adds to your chances of recieving bonuses in game.

Anyway.. Great idea..

/signed for this 1000000 times.

I have 100% tyria and 97.5% cantha, but just adding a box that tells you how much you have explored isnt devaluing the title at all, just like the vanquisher box doesnt devalue that title.

Freeked I disagree with everything you have said here yet again.

Thats your right to disagree. But the fact that you have 100% on tyria, shows you can more then handle exploration in cantha and elona.

Tyria is the hardest one to do. Cantha and Elona by comparison are easy. You obviously have the knowledge and experience to explore, so why do YOU need % marks?

You know fine well that if you stick to it, you can get that last 2.5% because you did it in Tyria. So how can you disagree with me in saying all it takes is time and dedication?

You, more then anyone else, should appreciate that if you just put the effort in, it CAN BE DONE.

It took me months to explore Tyria, but only about 1 months to explore Cantha and Elona. Thats a fraction of the time. You personally dont need % marks.

/not signed
If this is added this title will be completely ruined. Also, this has been mentioned before.

The reason why I do not like this idea is because the point of the title is to explore every area without any help and end up getting 100%. I do not see how someone could want this because people who actually earned the title the right way would be getting cheated, instead of noobs who think it is to hard who think they are being cheated.

No, i dont think that I could handle exploring tyria, and I doubt that the hundreds of people that needed to use other peoples maps and get map checks on these forums could either.

The explorer title is next to impossible to max if you actually try to do it yourself without 'cheating' by getting map checks i.e help from other people.

Adding a % explored box would allow people to see for themselves where they still need to explore and do it themselves as well.

I am personally sick of having to click back and forth between my in game map of cantha and a 100% one, I want it to be possible for people to max it on their own without requiring outside help, as every other title can be done.

As I just said, I doubt anyone except the first few people that got 100% explorer managed it without any help. People are already cheating the title with map checks, the method of a % explored box is a lot less unfair then having to rely on other people.

ok how would this devalue the title, and feeked im kinda ignoreing your post cause its a "i did it now you have to" post. but for the others you still have to find the aeras your missing all this stops is the mindless wandering in a place you dont have to. also for casual players like myself if i entered an aera and it said i didnt have 100% i would expolere there maybe. but really as of now i dont know what im missing and i cant casually find it.

like i said before anet wants this game to be no grind and more fun and hell it is a game it should be fun. this solves that, cause really this isnt a job *i already got one of those* this is something you do for enjoyment and really who enjoys doing the same thing for hours and hours and hours for months.....

Do you not realise how daft is it to ignore it when someone say..

"I did it, so you can do it too"!

...thats the height of lazyness. If you know someone else was able to complete something, using a set method, but your not prepared to put the same time and effort in like they did, then that speaks for you.

"Oh I know it CAN be done if you put enough effort in and do this way. But I dont want to put that effort in because I want it made easier."

Is basically what you just said, from my perspective.

Checking maps, and comparing them is NOT cheating. Its using your initiative.

I consider % marks as cheating, because it requires NO skill at all to find that information. You have it all given to you on the interface and there is no effort at all to find it.

Sharing and comparing maps, requires skill. It requires you communicate with others, check forums, to sit down and flick between layers, to analyse differences. It requires ALOT more initiative then being given some % marks on screen.

And where do you get this impression that Im a hardcore player? You refere to yourself and others as "casual players", like Im not one. I dont sit in Guild Wars for hours on end every night.

I've played maybe 3 hours this entire week.

When I was exploring, I didnt spend every waking hour exploring or comparing maps. I only play the game, and do that stuff when I cant get my mates down the pub.

It took me ages to explore Tyria because I took my sweet time about it. I explore cantha and elona in a much shorter time, because I had experience by then, and their basically easier.

Had I spent every second of my life exploring Tyria, I would have cracked from the stress and frustration. If your getting wound up, then take a break.

You all seem to think, that to explore you need to be playing every waking second. Why is exploring such a big deal to you? why do you need it so badly? why do you need it NOW? why cant you just takes your time, and keep your cool and do a bit of map comparing?

Everyones is "I need 100% NOW, I want it done NOW, I need it NOW"!

I know fine well, alot of you only want exploration because you think its a fast way to make up 3 full titles. You dont actually care for exploration. All you want are the 3 maxed titles to add to you list.

Its could take you a day, or another 6 months to get that last 3, but is it really that big a deal? Exploring is NOT easy. Alot of you start exploring thinking it is, and you soon realise otherwise. Then you start complaining.

Be honest right...

Are you after 100% because you love exploring, because its something you enjoy, because your passioante about it?

Or are you exploring PURELY to get 3 maxed titles, and you picked exploration because you were told its easy?

If you truly loved exploring, then you would enjoy the challenge and you would be willing to compare maps, no matter how long it takes.

ok ok one second taht is a lot to respond to.... ok first freekedoutfish calm down dude seriously

second you probably misinterpreting what im saying non of the maps show this only when you enter an aera do you see this so its not a huge deal you still have to check maps and such to see where you have to go this just gives you incentive really to explore. if you enter an area and you see that you havent explored it all then you go an explore it.

third looking at maps is cheating kinda. i know its smart and blah blah but seriously its outside help so its not what the game intended. im not saying dont use outside help because i use guru all the time im just saying taht is not a valid argue ment.

fourth im sorry for ignoreing your post but really like i said the reason i dont want "i did this now you have to too" posts cause everyone with cartographer could say those, i know its a very ignorant move but i want real downsides and upside besides "cheapening" titles, and because many people are lazy the bigger this topic get the less new people will read it so yea but i do see some validity in your worries about makeing the title too easy but this is not that huge of a change. all it does is make you want to explore nothing more.

now i think i got it all....... but feel free to continue to flame the hell outta me *it helps to prove my point ^^*

/notsigned

I'm still at 95% and thats what makes the title semi rare, and hard to attain. Being able to search an area without knowing if you got everything adds to the suspense if you get the title or not.

If you really want to know what you missed, use GIMP or photoshop GG.

/notsigned

*use your head and go find a completed map along with image programs like the ones mentioned above. You could also have others compare your maps to theirs.
*This is useless and would devalue the title.
*This isn't an easy method to get titles. You do it for the challenge and enjoyment.

sorry i just get passionate about exploring, cos of all effort and time i put in to it.

the whole % mark idea frustrates me cos its just not needed. the 1000s of carogs prove it isnt needed.

^^ dont worry about it and well look at the game how much crap do we have thats not needed but is there to make the game just a bit more fun.... i wont even begin to list em cause it would take 5 pages lol

/signed

Great idea.

/signed to the power of a googolplex!

_Zexion

This has already been weighed in on - unfortunately - by Gaile in a very similar discussion...elsewhere...which I can't link to...

I've been thinking that it's possible that the map revealing could be flawed. It could be that the map is revleaed in "blots" and that these blots are not necessarily evenly placed, but are placed based on where you have traveled. Thus, if there isn't much overlap between these blots, there aren't as many blots, and thus not as much % counting for your title!

Imagine this pair of scenarios. For a given line, you travel around and place revealing blots at the Xs. For the first scenario, a character carefully travels at the edge of the known map to reveal blots, for the second scenario, a character plunges aimlessly into the unknown, often passing near known areas but far enough away that there isn't much overlap.

Scenario 1:
X...X...X...X...X...X

Scenario 2:
X.....X...X......X...

The same amount of area is covered in both scenarios, the blots both have the same radius (3 dots), but because scenario 1 has more overlap, there are more blots. This might explain the "I can't find the last 1% scenarios we keep hearing about.

well taht kills my arguement... lol thanks for the post ^^

You've gotta love her!!!

\Salutes Gaile

Well, I have to admit it would be a handy option, but I also have to agree with Gaile here.
I achieved Tyrian GMC by doing exploration untill I had roughly 90%, then I started comparing my map with someone elses. I didn't have access to the arena's, but by meticulously comparing the maps I managed to make 100%, and I even had to add some spots that weren't on the 100% map I used (because that person did have the arena's).
So it did give me a feeling of achievement I probably would not have had, had the game "told" me where to look for unexplored spots.

<< Tyrian GMC & Canthan GMC working on Elona now.
As Gaile stated it can be done without the %, and it should stay like that. It took me a week to get my last 1% on Tyria. (All GMC of tyria know what i am talking about, especially the ones who started the gmc at about 60% not 0%).
Futhermore this would have the same effect as having a counter for vanquishing saying 200/349 slayed. Just use the resources at hand to accomplish the title what you want.

/Not signed