E-mail to Anet Team about Loot Scaling...

So today i farmed all day Dead sword and ecto.
And what i got is:30 BIrthday cupcakes,3k,and some items white that i sold.
So i was a angry a lot and i decide to send an e-mail about this problem:Loot Scaling.
Before that update in 1 or 2h i always got one Dead Sword and 3-4 other gold items.But from that update Nothing.also in Uw ecto isn't droping.
So here is what i send to Anet Team.They responded but i don't get it.

Here is my e-mail:

First i would like to say hello to Anet team.This Hard Mode is great and i enjoy in it.
But there is a problem.When you started with Hard Mode you have made changes about loot scaling.
First you done this:
# Loot now scales according to party size.
# Repeated map entry no longer reduces loot.

Everybody was sad and didn't like that.
Then you make few more changes:

Adjusted the following items so that they are now exempt from loot scaling:

* Skill Tomes
* Scrolls
* Dye
* Rare materials, such as Ectoplasm
* Gemstones from the Domain of Anguish
* All other rare (gold) items
* All unique (green) items
* Special event items

When we saw this Rare materials and rare items we were happy.But i think that there is a problem about this.
Today i was farming dead sword for 3-4h and only thing that i got droped from Slave Spirits are Birthday cupcake,around 200g,Bones,Some armor and spear or an shield.I know that is very low drop to get Dead Sword but before this update in 1h or 2h i always get 1 Dead Sword and 3-4 Gold shields or staff.But now nothing.
Next,after that i sayed:''Ok no way to get Dead Sword let's go to Uw with my Ritualist.''
Done first run--->No ectos
Done second run--->No ectos
Done third run---->No ectos
(Started to geting tired)Done fuorth run--->No ectos
Then i sayed:''Here is something wrong i will come back later''
After 5-6h i again turned on Gw.
Asked if now anyone wants to go with me to Uw,
and i went with my guild frend in Uw.
Me as Monk and she as Necro.
We done first run--->No ectos
We done second run--->No ectos
Then i sayed to her:''Thx a lot that you helped me but we are not going to get ecto.I am going to write an e-mail to Anet team about this problem''
And now i am writing this e-mail.
Also last night my Guild friends went to Uw(so that is 8 ppl in group) and they didn't get any ecto.
So i think that you didn't made that update about Loot scaling and rare items and materials.
So if we don't have money then how we are going to enjoy in Events,Armors,Weapons,Mini Pets...?
So please Anet team can you do anyhing about this Loot scaling?
Give to us that back mode that we had or make new changes.
I am expecting your answer.

P.S.Sorry on any gramatical mistake.
Thank you

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Then i recieved an answer:

Hello ------,

Thanks for contacting the Guild Wars customer support team with your feedback. We always appreciate hearing from our players, and your feedback has been passed on to the developers. The Guild Wars development team is continually making changes to improve the game and looks at your feedback very closely to make this happen.

Please note that in addition to writing us, you should always feel free to post your constructive opinions/feedback/suggestions on any of the numerous Guild Wars message board ( http://eu.guildwars.com/community/ca...ting/fansites/ ), where your fellow players and the dev team will be able to view them first hand. Thanks again!

Please feel free to contact the support team again if you encounter any other problems.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team

NCsoft Europe
http://www.guildwars.com

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Then i didn't get it if that is an answer to problem or that they that problem to dev team.
I sent now this e-mail:

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so now i will get an e-mail from development soon?Or?

Ty

So post you experiences about Loot Scaling problems etc...

Yet another thread ranting about the new system >>

the first responce is always automated.

NOTE

support is for fixing problems making the game run and has absolutely no

contact
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input on

GAME CONTENT/CHANGES

hope this answeres you.

they have been very helpful to me on 3 occasions

Of course, gold items, tomes, and 100g+ worth items are now more abundant than charr in ascalon. Not only that, but the by design broken double attack speed makes farming in hard mode so easy, it's like taking candy from a baby.

my only fear is that eventually bots will move into those areas, and it'll get fixed. But right now, just about any place in Tyria is a gold mine.

Biggest problem I've had with the new system is I find more QQ threads here than ever before, except for the time that they changed anything else in the game.

Is there any anti-farming code still in Hardmode?

If yes, I guess it's the main reason why OP get no dead swords.

Might want to work on your grammar and spelling a little bit before sending emails to a.net

i put also this on the end of e-mail
btw. i am not from england or USA

Nice post, I love reading spanglish

I tried farming smites 3 times after they supposedly reverted the loot scalling on ecto's, and no drops so i've given up.

My last run prior to the farming changes got me 7 ecto in 5 runs, so I think there is something wrong.

Soloed Spiritgarden's Repose for over 80 times now over a 2 days span and nothing.... I thought they said green weapons were excluded from the scaling...

I haven't had an issue with gold drops. I would point out I've farmed those slave spirits for hours and I mean literally hours BEFORE the update and still got squat. If you were getting a dead sword every 1-2 hours before I'd just say you were lucky as hell then and now your luck ran out. Gold drops now are ridiculously easy to get in hard mode. Since everything is above level 20 in hardmode, you pretty much only get max golds from them. So just find a spot in hardmode thats relatively easy to farm and have at it. If you don't speak English then visit the support page that is in your language and write an email to them. That way you don't have to worry about grammer and what not.

Ok if there is an Support team on Croatian pls let me know

Btw.i am still learning English

And it would be great that they do something about this Loot scaling

Might as well be talking to a wall with that email.

Well at least we know 1 bot is working fine... the bot that sends the exact same reply back to everyone who sends messages into them with a different name attached.

Anets customer relations is amongst the worst i've ever seen.

It is, you're just having bad luck...

/signed uw solo sucks balls now not worht it

its just bad luck for the ecto farming, did two runs last night about this time, 3 ectos dropped. not great but they are dropping.

My guild group did 2 HM runs in UW just recently and noone received an ecto. The only thing we got was alot of dust and a few got a gold from a locked chest. I think we spent atleast 2 hrs before we finally gave up.

yeah I just did 2 runs and got 3 ectos. However, since white and blue items are hit with loot scaling, farming ectos in UW is even more boring now as you only see 1 or max 2 drops per mobs. Even worse when you just kill +10 smites and only 100g drops! At least have HM where you see more yellow stuff drop when killing things. Feel much better

Oh BTW the 1 dead sword every 1 or 2 hours is a bit too insanely luckly.

You shouldnt try any statistics in a period that festival items drop. Just wait for things to return to normal and start jotting the things down. As for getting 100% certain always 1 dead sword; statistics will always proove you wrong. This might have happened in this case, bad luck, but you got to live with it. Many people make claims about the new system, but all claims lack one essential ingredient, statistics.

Post my problems - ok, I'm averaging 10-15k an hour just merching from HM dead sword runs. Umm, oops, I suppose that is not really a problem. About the same as before, once I ever bother the sell some higher gold items even better than before even if the bottom drops out of their cost WAY more than it has.

What is your idea of a "whole day" - even on normal mode I make well over what you posted in an hour and my 130hp dervish isn't anywhere close to very efficient. I'm not sure if I'm better off playing my 55 monk to there are keep on keeping on with the 130 dervish, right now just staying with the dervish until cupcakes stop dropping.

Can't say I'm happy with the update, the vast majority of my farming spots no longer work, I have always mostly done "casual" farming with non prot spirit farming where merching stuff is the goal. However this is one of the cases it increased the overall output of gold - though I expect the level of the spirits to get a buff in HM when they can do so (no idea how hard that is to code). Even then, soloing the mobs in normal mode is quite easy and gives good drops - even for a merch only farmer.

/signed

Heroes Ascent is soOOo sad now so I decided to solo UW during the weekend with my W/RT.

Anyways, I did 6 straight runs (wasted 6k and a few hours), and not one ecto dropped~


/shootself (PvP + PvE is dying)

One thing ANet excels at is leaving open the door to the whine cellar.

Just sounds like a streak of bad luck. I didnt know just a 1-2 dead swords was lucky for an hour's farmer. I used get 3-5 swords an hour when I farmed the slaves. Not all were maxed but still sold for a nice amount at the merchants.

/notsigned.

I'm still getting 500gp-4k from my farming run. This is a nice update.

How much did Anet pay you to say that?

Tell us how you farm, where you farm, what you farm. Any kind of proof besides words. Otherwise, you probably are lieing.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Gold Pieces are not essential.

Everything in this game that your character "needs" (Armor, weapons, skills (prophecies only), etc.) is available for free. Collectors. Yes, you probably don't like the skins, but it won't cost you a GP. (Note: Runes/Insignias are optional, it's been proven. They're easy enough to find while you just go through the campaign, so it's not like I'm saying "don't use them.")

You don't need to farm to play this game. ANet doesn't need to provide you with areas to farm, or systems that allow you to farm, so you can play the game. Vanity doesn't make you a better player.

Just playing the game normally, you will easily garner over 30k per character. That's more than enough to load up on runes/insignias and a few elites. (And if you have Nightfall, you have access to the reseting Buried Treasure chests. This can translate into 15k per character plus a lot of mods and max weapons, per month.)

Farming is a choice you make, and it shouldn't be "entirely" easy, either. Gaile has said (paraphrasing) that while farmers should earn a larger percentage than full-party groups, they shouldn't earn 8x the amount. That's how loot scaling is working. The "rare" stuff that people desire are unaffected, and the "merchant farming" stuff is now scaled.

Prices will come down, simply by people not having enough to meet such wildly exaggerated items. (With ANet maxing out Gold Transfer at 100k, do you think they intended items to go for what equates to millions of gold?)

As with every update: Give it time.

You are almost right - almost everything we need we can get for free(except runes which are rising in price - but i suppose we can made do without most of them)

But the funny thing about games is that no one plays for what they need! They play to have fun. And if your resources limit you to what you need, it stops being fun.

No, I don't think everyone needs to be handed everything either. Part of the fun is to have difficult to get items that take a long time to earn. There should be various rare and very rare items in this game or there is nothing to work for. But you should have the possibility of being able to afford one or two of those in a reasonable amount of time. Balancing rewards and limits is what makes a game fun. Right now the rewards for the average player have been nerfed and, if the rare items are going to drop in price to match that, it will take a long time. In the mean time, because the balance is off, a lot of people just aren't finding this game fun.

People can call others others for whiners - great, they may be right. You win the argument. But those who are "whining" are the ones who will wind up quitting the game and not buying new games. In the end, you can not make every one happy about everything. But you do have to make it enjoyable for the maximum number of people you can or the franchise ceases to exist.

Same here with quick farming (trolls/vermin/djinn etc). I also do UW and though I have seen a reduction in gold drop (about 50-75% as before), I'm still getting the same average in ecto as well as gold weapon drop, which is the main reason I do UW anyways.

In my opinion, its the areas that had high gold yield that were affected the most, but all you have to do is adjust your farming area. As for the dead sword, I agree that you might be on a bad luck streak on that particular drop. Friends & guildies who farm there on a regular basis before & after the changes haven't seen much of a difference either. It still takes them anywhere between 8 & 20 runs for the drop.

You can still make tons of gold merching items. Just need to find the right spot...

So your cookie cutter farm spot isn't cutting it? Try the farming sub-forum. Lots more juicy cookie cutter spots there for people that can't think outside the box.

The HoH Chest and Limited Edition/Event Reward Minipets.

They created the economy knowing EXACTLY how prizes were going to be.

Yep, right there is it. Places that I farmed for gold items hasn't changed a bit, in fact since I no longer have to worry about anti-farming code or scatter it is even better than before. Places I farmed for whites are all gone, I had to find new areas and new builds to do so.

as I said earlier, Dead sword farming run in HM takes me around 20 minutes-30 minutes to fill my inventory, makes about 4-8k a run unless I get a real good drop, when I get my 55 monk there instead of my 130hp dervish it should go faster. In hard mode hulking stone elementals, juvenile termites, and minotaurs outside of ice tooth cave are getting a little less than that - I use a 55 monk, 55 necro, or a130hp dervish - that's more than the old typical farming for gold and white items to merch.

If you farm for ectos and such it drops in the *exact* same fashion it did before and if you use one of the builds for HM it drops more often. That means you may get a few a run for a while, then go a few runs without one.

At some point these people will try one of the newer farming methods and get lucky on their first run or two, think it is the greatest thing ever, and quit complaining. They go no further than first impressions, when they get one that has a great first or second run then they will have a "good" farming spot.

yup a 55 monk and a 130hp dervish they're the sort of characters a casual player is going to have aren't they?

The casual player can't make enough money to kit one out and this loot scaling was supposedly aimed at the casual player

so now the casual player has to make a farming character, kit them out, finish the game and farm in hard mode

not casual and certainly not fun. All the people that seem to be happy with this update are the hardcore farmers that can just switch to hardmode and milk it. The rich stay rich and the poor get poorer.

Can not kit out a 130hp dervish? If you can not get that much money then you, frankly, are a complete idiot and are not going to be able to farm *anything*.

Current trader prices for what I started with (I actually logged into the game to check prices as of april 30'th 11:11pm eastern time):
lowest level armor: total 240g
8 tanned hides - 140g
5 pieces - 100g
runes: total 1150
sup scythe - 600g
sup earth - 100g
sup myst - 250
sup wind - 100g
sup earth - 100g

8 skills: 8 plat (worst case scenario), technically there are only six that are required - most things if you simply swing you scythe you will kill them, but I'll assume that two attack skills are "core".

so, the base needed is a grand total of 9390g - so lets say ten plat. You do not need radiants and as long as your scythe is max damage and doesn't have a +hp mod your good (quite a few easily attainable collectors scythes or I was using a drop).

With this it is pretty easy to get into the 10gp/hour farming - from there the stuff to make it easier (radiant insignias and +20%enchant scythe, a few more skills for variety) is trivial. Even then you are looking at around 15 more plat to fully deck one out. From there you can easily afford a 55 monk.

Sell two rubies you get from quests, open four or five no-key chests and you have MORE than enough for a 130hp dervish. You do not get much more "casual" than simply playing the story line, and if you can not do that then good luck on farming anything with *any* build. You should get about 20-30k from the first time opening no-key chests and another 20-30k from rubies/sapphires from trade contracts. You can even currently afford a 55 monk just from that and there is nothing "hardcore" about *any* of that.

I'm not remotely a hardcore - my 130hp dervish was made on the free UW access weekend (that being my very first time there), my 55 monk and 55 necro are about 2 weeks old. I used to farm ettins, thorn stalkers, and griffons with a warrior or ele - plain old farming builds everyone else uses (eviscerate w/mo and a mist form ele). Up until nightfall with the trade contracts and no-key chests I never had more than 50k in storage (been playing now for 21 months). It is quite easy to afford a 130hp dervish quickly and as a casual player. That you do not enjoy playing one - that is a personal problem and has *nothing* to do with casual vs hardcore.

k to farm hard mode you need to finish the game with one character - that's the aim of some people just to finish the game and even that can be hard to afford now.

you need to get max armor which costs a lot more than the low level stuff you quoted. Go out in low level stuff at 20 and you're dead

hmm collectors stuff, well that's harder to get cos the collectors drops have been loot scaled too and they took long enough to get before.

A casual player doesn't start the game with the soul desire to set up a character purely for farming (which involves finishing the game) they like to play the game and enjoy it

when I got to consulate docks I had 5k from quests and drops. The armor there at the time came to 15k for the lot with the mats, that is prolly less now as some of the mats are going down in price, but it fluctuates and sometimes they are high.

Then if you're not lucky enough to get a good weapon drop which I wasn't I had to buy a weapon.

I had to buy skills, and you can only get some later in the game so you can't buy them all at the beginning so that costs more.

Then you need runes - as you say a bit cheaper but not everyone wants to be a dervish (and to unlock decent dervish skills you need to pvp or play the game with the dervish not just buy a few skills which you suggest.)

Already you can see that the casual player doesn't want to have to do this when before they could just nip outside and solo with their character and make enough for a skill or two in an hour.

This update is stated as helping the casual player it is not it is helping people who already have finished the game, have hard mode and can farm hard mode easily. It is these players that are picking on teh casual player as whiners because they can see that they still have some leetness at the moment and don't want it taking away. It is a selfish attitude mirrored in a lot of posts in all threads about this discussion.

A true count of dissatisfied customers cannot be made because any post that just expresses that the person is unhappy and is leaving is deleted.

I for one am very unhappy with the change as it directly affects me and many like me. I can now not just spend a few hours playing the game when I want to and hope to kit out my heroes and my character and gain all the skills I need and even cap all the elites I want as it is becoming too difficult to afford.

Money earned by the casual gamer is going down. Prices of skills, armor are the same. The minor runes the ones the starting player would use are going up at the moment I hope that will stop as the prices have rocketed on some of them. This is because blue drops are affected by loot scaling.)

Calling someone an idiot because they don't wish to fall into your farming catagory is just ignorant and abusive and shows that you have not grasped the problem at all.

you should not have to finish the game to be able to afford max armor, runes and skills which you need to play the game (catch 22)- remember all skills are not given to you straight away you can't just buy teh eight you need and be done with it, you have to adapt your build as you play, buying only those necessary on the way but it's more than eight.

The migratory habits of the leet farmer continue as ever as they flap their little wings between new area to new area while still revisiting UW and horde their cache of greens, ectos and golds in their Xunlai nests while the rest of us have our wings clipped further and are forced to scrabble in the dirt for the few dry morsels that come our way.

Yeah from trying solo uw runs post update, it really isn't worth it at all. First the number of chests was reduced, and now the drops as well. The runs barely pay for addmitance right now.

Just from playing through HM though I'm noticing a good number of drops, with the locked chests being reasonably kind. I suspect Tome prices will eventually drop off which will make it less profitable, but for the time being just playing through the campaign has netted me more than uw runs. If I had one request it would be to eliminate sour grapes from the locked chests. I mean come on, 1.5k per pick for an item not even worthy of hero fodder.

btw, what's with ecto prices dipping recently? If anything it seems as though ecto is dropping less. Is it dropping a ton in HM UW or something?

Cupcakes are additional drops. They don't make a difference.

2 words: Unident+trading. Boom, nerfed.

No more whining, thanks. All the things are okay with this changes.

Ecto drops are FINE, Yesterday's run: 5 ectos, today's 1st run: 1 ecto, next run: 1 ecto, last run: 4 ectos. It's just bad luck guys.