E-mail to Anet Team about Loot Scaling...

Are they? Great. OK everyone, close this thread and delete all the others on this board and all the other fansite boards too. This fella says it's OK and we've no right to complain (or whine as he calls it) if we're not happy. Smashing. Why we have these public forums is beyond me. What was I thinking when I stopped playing GWs? I must've been off my head to think I wasn't enjoying it anymore.

Glad it's all sorted though. Phew eh?

Huh? Afford to finish the game? The only thing needed is max armor - you should easily have enough when you get to the Consulate Docks. Every character I have started must remain self sufficient until then - all have had more than enough. Other than that - dunno what you can not afford.

I do not think you understand what a 130hp dervish is. You use all superior runes to drop your health to 130hp and the use protective spirit to limit damage from any one attack to 10% your max health - thus the maximum damage you can take is 13 (a 55 class uses a -50hp offhand from prophecies and the other classes do not have the inherent +30hp armor). Thus you armor only is used to carry the runes - you take the same damage with the crappiest armor vs the best.

I rather submit that a casual player starts the game with the intent of finishing the game - and that is all it takes. Once one character finished *all* other level 20's can go into hard mode. Nor does a casual player that doesn't intend to farm care about farming - they already have more than enough gold to do what they need to do.

Pick up everything, merch it, do not spend on useless crap. There is at least one plat from the three pre docks missions (even a new player should be able to get masters if they make the slightest effort). There are over 100 quests in the isle of Istan, most give 50-150 gold so there is another 10 plat. Now you only need a few from drops - without trying I normally get around 20 or so plat on a character I play normally through Istan.

I tell you what, if you are that pitiful I'll take you out sometime - I get good weapons all the time. My guess is that you definition of "good" is a *whole* lot better than what you need. There is nothing wrong with a white 5-26 damage axe, I made it through most of Prophecies with just that and many of my koss's have no better. Since I think it is a waste of money to purchase weapons I normally do not have anything close to what I think is "perfect" until end game - my dervish didn't until after beating all three games and my ele finally found the inscription I wanted.

Yes, I know you had to purchase skills - thus I said "8k for them" as a worst case scenario. Of course, since your goal as a casual gamer is to beat the game no biggie - you can also unlock with faction and purchase at any skill trainer (and there is no need to play against humans or wait for a human group - repeat the PvP tutorial quest and you can get up to 2000 faction per day).

Wrong, you can do *exactly* as I suggest - see the above paragraph. That you do not want to may be correct, but that is a different idea.

No, as of right now I see a player who has no real idea of what the game has available to them, has no desire to learn, yet figures their ideas should be it.

Yes, you can, even in a group, you just refuse too. You want to play as an ultra-casual yet have the rewards of top end casual to low end non-casual. I haven't changed my playing habits any since I started, I average about an hour of game time a day with very little of that farming. If I want gold I spend my money wisely and it accumulates, when I do not care I do not and consequently have very little.

How many elites do you need? Unless you are going for a skill hunter title or PvP then only a very few and you can get enough in a few hours to purchase them all. But then, you are no longer in that "casual" category you keep talking about.

Did you decide on your armor based on looks or cost? Are you looking for 15k armor? If so then, once more, you are no longer that "casual" person you keep talking about

Were you happy with a 14%>50? Did you throw away the one point off max damage weapon? Once more, demand perfection and you are no longer that "casual" person you claim to be.

If you need to farm for much of anything you are going to have to change and adapt no matter what. Nor are you just the simple casual gamer that just wants to play the game and beat it. You may still very well fall into the "casual" category - I generally say I do also - but you are more than someone just looking to beat the game.

That I agree with and it has been a problem since Nightfall and the huge demand from heroes. It's only worse now.

No, I called you and idiot because you have no idea what you are talking about yet continue to go on and on and tell people who do they are wrong. See you post informing me that my 130hp dervish MUST have max armor, that you can only get a few plat on istan, about gaining balth's faction, and a whole host of other things that are not opinion but are grossly incorrect. I'll buy that you do not like the current system - can't say I'm terribly happy with the way it changed either.

Again, you are grossly incorrect. You can afford max armor when leaving Istan (I even purchased each set of armor as I went along the first time and *still* had enough). You can afford all the skills you need, you can easily unlock them early on playing the small PvE tutorial to PvP (even then, there is no need too). You seem to be horrid at making or keeping gold and that is more your problem that anything else. You can afford pretty much everything you talk about by just playing - my Dervish purchased a full set Vabbian with no farming whatsoever. Just did missions, quests, and spent money wisely.

I've been to the UW once, only have greens that have dropped while playing in groups, and no ectos. I do, however, have quite a few golds but that is also from drops while in a group or trading quest rewards in for keys and opening chests - none are worth squat and would go to the merch otherwise. As I get other mods that I like they slowly evolve into something good, but my warrior is currently using a gold axe with a 12 req, half recharge 10% on spells (he uses no spells), fiery mod, and +5 defense (it was a non-max +axe mastery for a long time). He beat prophecies and a good chunk of Nightfall with worse.

fine well that's what you think obviously

I have never called anyone an idiot or pitiful, I do not resort to base insults when trying to put my point across.

Fine I may not have realised that you don't need max armor for a 130hp dervish but hey I'm the casual player not the leet farmer so forgive me for not knowing that. (Though I realise that you just see it as a way to bash me)

hmm repeatedly do the pvp tutorial to get factions to open skills. I hate pvp I loathe pvp I never want to play pvp I do not want to be forced to play it. I bought this game as pve and play it as pve and repeatedly going through a pvp tutorial to open skills is more boring than farming.

for the record most of my weapons have been found as have the mods on them and are not perfect.

I have been with this game for 15 months now and just because you end up with 15k or so at consulate docks does not make me incompetant because I don't. The many many posts listed here show that you're in the minority in being able to get that much money through jsut playing the game.


"No, as of right now I see a player who has no real idea of what the game has available to them, has no desire to learn, yet figures their ideas should be it."

OK I've finished prophecies and factions, prophecies in groups and factions with heroes and henchies. Don't say I have no idea about this game. I am also nearly completely through nightfall with heroes and henchies and groups when possible. But there are very few groups around these days in normal mode.

You are happy - good on you, but I am not. I'm not talking about 15k armor or max weapons, or every randiant insignia on all heroes or survivor or whatever you chose, I'm talking about playing the game. There are many posts here that illustrate that just playing the game now is a struggle and kitting out your characters and heroes is a struggle (and not just with 15k armor)

Most people play this game for fun not to struggle,there's enough of that in real life and they are understandable annoyed.

So take your superior attitude and stop insulting people because they don't agree with you. A lot of people don't like this change and a lot of people can't afford to get the simplest things now, are you calling all of them pitiful and idiots too? Nice guy.

Funny, I did 1 UW run and 3 ectos dropped, and we didn't even finish the run.

theni had unlucky day

Dear Anet,

Recently I have been followed by bad luck, and almost no good things dropped for me.
Please fix it immediately, because I hate bad luck.

-Cyan

PS. I even have the 'Charmed' title.

Then why explain things about them - you said it was impossible for you to kit one out and you had *no* idea what their "kit" was? That's good general advice - if you do not know anything about what is being discussed to not tell people who do how it is.

The PvP tutorial is actually PvE in the PvP arean's - it takes about 10 minutes to unlock a skill, though you are limited to one a day. Again, you have no understanding of what you are talking about yet are talking as if you do.

Time in game has nothing to do with how much you know about the game. Obviously, from your own comments, you know little about it. I may be in minority, that does not make me a "leet farmer" or anything such as that - I play the game exactly as you do except that I spend my money wisely. I started factions broke, I have not farmed (expect for recent playing with HM), I have not sold a single thing on the user market, I have not payed attention to trader prices trying to make money - nothing other than play the game.

If you want to call a "leet farmer" someone plays missions/quests, picks up all drops, and ID's them then, and trade quest rewards in for their maximum worth items well - OK I guess. That's a *really* low bar for "leet farmer", low enough you ought to stand back for a moment and think about the options that leaves one to think about you and why you will not get this "fixed". I never play with groups either - I hench/hero everything.

See above, I do not care if you have "Everyone Knows Me" title - you do not know much about the game because you are grossly incorrect about the game. Again, this is something that you may want to step back and think about what you are saying implies about yourself.

Actually, if you bothered to read and pay attention to what I wrote (seems that you do the same to forum posts as you do GW) you will note I'm not happy with it either - none of my old farming spots work now nor do any of my old farming builds. Nor would simply not knowing about the game make one an idiot - there are many ignorant people and ignorance is easily solved. In fact, you can find many who really do want to know how have their ignorance solved. Idiocy is when you are ignorant, refuse to acknowledge it, refuse to fix it, and think you are extremely knowledgeable. Add in arguing with people who *do* know about things you know *nothing* about and you should be able to easily see the difference.

I tell you what - since you have beaten prophecies you have access to it's hard mode. Get a dervish to level 20 and beat Consulate docks - Ill *give* you the freaking stuff to make a 130hp dervish, then that whole 15 or so plat thing will not be such a barrier. I'll even take you on a run through the hydra's to show you an easy place to farm with it. Then you too can share in the leetsauce that is low level farming! (in fact, if you feel like it you *can* take that build to high level farming areas, though I find it especially boring and you will have to be on your own there).

if you read back you will notice that I included 55hp monk in the farming builds that were expensive, though I notice you didn't contradict that one. It's cheaper now than it was but with the cesta too it is still quite a bit to fork out and not for the new player.

The pvp tutorial may be pve base I don't know, and have never said I know anything about the pvp side, as I don't like pvp and don't want to play it. I bought this game as pve and that's all I've played. This issue doesn't affect pvp and just because I didn't know something about an area of the game I aditted that I don't play does not mean I know nothing about pve and not everyone is expected to know every farming build in the game inside out especially the casual player which I have again admitted that I am.

I have farmed in normal and hard mode after the change and have had little or no drops. Playing the game through factions from beginning to end I made 9k in total by the shiro fight, spending nothing. These changes are affecting me directly so I complain.

I never professed to know everything about the game, I just wanted you to realise that I had some experience in the game, even though I only play casually. You enjoy twisting words for your own gain and in the end agree with me on the issue of farming.

As I said before just because you end up with 15k at consulate docks doesn't mean everyone will, and with 7 characters I have arrived there with a lot less with all of them (and no I don't spend all my cash on teh way, yes I merch stuff and yes I sell anything useful to other players and yes I do all the quests and missions, and yes I get masters.) Maybe I'm unlucky in drops or maybe you're lucky or maybe a bit of both I don't know. But I'm done trading insults with you and I'm done on this topic to be honest. It's not going to make a jot of difference with anet, it's just going round in circles and turning half the community here against the other which is not good for the game anyway.

So that's it, last post on the issue unless there's some dramatic change for good or ill. (And please note that I answered your post before saying it was my last on the issue, don't want you saying I threw a tantrum and left. I just have had enough of debating this issue in a manner that is fruitless as no one from anet is reading any of these posts any more and I'm tired of fighting with people who should be pulling together and I'm sure everyone knows how I feel by now.)

Guildwars is a game after all and meant to be fun o_O

[QUOTE]note my post recently with similar results from another person showing about 2.4 plat per hour not counting dyes or fur squares from traded hides from lowlands vermin farming.

THIS MIGHT HELP YOU

and i never have done/will not do pvp

when i want to unluck skills i go to the pvp training area isle of the nameless.

in half an hour or less with your 3 favorite heroes/hench you can unlock not 1 but 2 skills per day.

simply blow through the first 3 NPC opponent tiny training areas and repeat those 3. very quick and easy.

you can use that area to test out how a skill will actually work there before spending gold/skill point and being sorry you got it when it does not work as expected.

Thanks I'll give that a go

I sold about 6 greens since the update, and I'm no hard core farmer, the time spent on those would not add two days.

Maybe it depends on how long you have been playing the game. Reward the veterans.

No, in fact if you will read I noted that the 130hp dervish was a nice cheap way to make enough gold for the 55 monk. I am able to add up how much stuff costs, 55 monks aren't the cheapest thing on the planet. You can kit out a 130hp dervish or a 55 necro and farm 90% of the places a 55 monk can. Both of them run around 10-20 plat depending on what you purchase and what skills you need. While it may make you feel better think I am just being contrary - if you would actually pay attention to what I wrote and try it you could also do the *same thing*. I'm not being "elitist" (If I was there is no way I would have offered to hit you out as a 130hp dervish), I'm telling you how to make money as a casual player.

Once more, it is not that you didn't know - it was that you argued and ridiculed people who *did* know. Same thing with unlocking skills in the PvP tutorial - how many times have I have pointed out the tutorial is PvE yet you *still* argue about it (well, until someone else said the exact same thing as I did)? I'm ignorant of MANY parts of the game, I tend to stay in my part of the world - however I do not argue with people who do know about those parts I do not.

And, once more that is YOUR OWN FAULT. There is more than 9k in quest rewards in just the noob isle and the rewards got larger as you went. You should have gotten more than that in whites/gold drops - did you just leave them? What did you do with your 10k faction? Right there is quite a few plat. Heck, there is more than 9 plat just in trading in Imperial Commendations and selling the item to the merchant. None of that is even farming, let alone some form of hardcore farming - just doing quests and missions. There is nearly 1 plat just in gold rewards and almost another plat from Monastery credits from only Shing Jea Monastery. If you do not believe me go to http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Quests_%28Factions%29 and look at the quest rewards.

I can assure you that as a casual player you can make significantly more than that with *no* farming. By the end of the game you should be close to a set of 15k armor or a 55 monk. For some reason you still want to think I spent hours doing some elite form of farming and some serious hardcore gaming instead of what I told you I did.

No, I only agree that I do not like the changes - I make the same, and in some cases more, than before. Like others I liked my cheese where it was and find it annoying when it is moved. However, I got on the boards, read a few posts, and went to where the cheese moved too. Not a big deal - I didn't post and tell people who were getting good drops they were full of it because Vermin (or whatever I used to farm) no longer drop squat. I went to those places and *started getting good drops*.

You would have thought the world was going to end when the Scarabs moved into the Griffin areas - same thing here. If you Griffin farmed you just had to find a new place.

I easily showed that you can end up there with 15k from fixed quest rewards, not drops. The quests give the same amount every time and there is no luck involved - it is where I got most of the money. I normally do not even bother picking up drops that aren't purple, gold, blue armors, or dyes until after getting off the isle as they aren't worth the time - your better off doing quests. It doesn't matter how many characters you do, how many others do it, how many are in your party - you get the exact same every time. Anyone and everyone *can* do exactly the same thing.

Do you wish to learn how to get gold - or complain? If complain, Oh well - otherwise pay a little attention to what I've written - you too can get gold with very little time involvement or knowledge of the game. Everything there is cookie cutter, simple, and repeatable. Do others have your same problem? Yep, sure enough - and they too wouldn't if they would quit arguing and try what many of us are telling you to do.

Then you are farming in the wrong places - absolutely *none* of my old spots are worth a flip (vermin very much included). If I kept on keeping on I too would average about 2 or 3 plat and hour. HM dead sword runs are averaging about 10-15 plat an hour with my (slow) 130hp dervish and hydras are around 8 or so an hour. There are many other threads in the farming section - for instance farming titans in Defend North Kryta quests (however, none of my farming characters that can do it have access to that place yet). If you can afford a 55monk check out http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10148384 At the least most of those places can be done with a 55 necro or 130hp dervish (I do most of them with a 130hp dervish). I know some are done with some warrior builds but I do not warrior farm (I would bet that HM hydras are doable with one of the older riposte/deadly riposte normal mode hydra builds as long as you limit how many hydras you aggro).

Vermin, trolls, griffins, pretty much every single place I went to before sucks. If your place sucks, find something else. Seriously - was farming vermin any more fun that farming hydras or the dead sword run? If they would ever make a trader for inscriptions/mods or an auction house I would make MUCH more - I have a storage account full of inscriptions.

in half an hour or less with your 3 favorite heroes/hench you can unlock not 1 but 2 skills per day.

simply blow through the first 3 NPC opponent tiny training areas and repeat those 3. very quick and easy.[/quote]

Exactly as I said several times. You can also go to the Zaishen Elite, it is capped at 1000 faction per level won per day with a max of 6000 faction (each level gets more difficult). I rarely need to unlock more than a skill or two so I almost never do it, but you can if you need more.