Hey, I wanted to start a thread that would let A-net know how bad lockpicks
are at the moment. I have farmed the southern Shiverpeaks constantly in normal mode. I've gotten pretty much crap from drops & 450g key chests. I was actually breaking even, with the salvaging thrown in. I have the second
treasure hunter (adept) & over 140 ided for wisdom. A friend & I used up 7 out of 8 picks in hard mode, I know players will yell at me for not giving it
more time, & got worse crap in HM!! A-net is forcing us to use picks in HM, make them less fragile.
Lockpicks? Asset or not...
Fox Mulder
KamikazeChicken
I have over 60 lockpicks, and they've been bought off gold from the initial items that came out of the chests. :\ I don't know why people bitch about them...
Mesmer in Need
What is your treause/wisdom title rank chicken? the chance to keep them intact increases with thoes ranks. Ive had bad luck getting good drops from the chests, let alone keeping the lockpicks. I think either the drops need to be better or the picks hould be more retainable.
Ulivious The Reaper
Heh, is Guru having trouble with their censor? anyways i think they're an asset, i love them 
dragon spy
im on the edge i think he best thing is you dont need to buy diffrent keys. so for money wise i would say the lockpicks are better. i have not been to lucky on keeping the lockpicks. they work toward the luck and unlucky titles.
so i am on the edge.
so i am on the edge.
Mad King Corn
They are not worth buying even for HM. Personally, that has also been my luck with keys as well. I decided to never purchase keys or lockpicks again, I just wish they would drop, and I have had a lockpick drop twice! The last key drop I had was months ago. I wish they would do something about increasing the key and lockpick drops as well as up the percentage of getting a gold in a chest. Yesterday I used 43 keys (jade, kurzick and canthan) and ended up with 2 golds and they both were merchant fodder.
Another problem with lockpicks is they have always broken for me, which makes it $1500 a pop for crappy chests.
Another problem with lockpicks is they have always broken for me, which makes it $1500 a pop for crappy chests.
KamikazeChicken
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What is your treause/wisdom title rank chicken?
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madman24749
I've used around 30 in various different areas so far and made a loss -.-"
So yeah I don't see them helping me much
So yeah I don't see them helping me much
Hell Raiser
Would you rather they remove Lockpicks and replace them with Hard Mode Keys(1,500g, no chance of retaining)? 'Cause that's what we would have if there were no Lockpicks. Any chance at all of keeping them is amazing imo. I haven't retained many (r2 lucky r2 treasure) but I've been very lucky with Locked Chests. In fact, my first Locked Chest dropped an Elite Monk Tome.
Razorblade Monkey
I agree with both sides for different reasons... Yes, it's great that lockpicks open every chest type, so it definately saves having a slot per key type in your inventory, and the implementation of lockpick use counting towards Luck titles is also a good idea. But like others have said, I see no benefit of the contents over standard chests. In my experience, I have used 18 lockpicks, only once retaining one for a 2nd use. Out of those 19 chests I scored 3 golds, which were crap merchables.
I think that if lockpicks are going to cost more than twice most standard high-end keys, the chance % of retaining it should be just a little higher.
Yes, I know that the Treasure Hunter & Lucky titles effect this %, but I am on lvl1 of both and have about 14% chance to retain it. So basically, to get an approximate 50% chance to retain a lockpick, you would probably need to max both titles, at which point you would probably never want to open another chest again, nor would the use of lockpicks be any benefit to the user other than a possible decent drop (no lucky or treasure points cause of being maxed). Well, i'd probably say more banter, but i'm tired... =oP
I think that if lockpicks are going to cost more than twice most standard high-end keys, the chance % of retaining it should be just a little higher.
Yes, I know that the Treasure Hunter & Lucky titles effect this %, but I am on lvl1 of both and have about 14% chance to retain it. So basically, to get an approximate 50% chance to retain a lockpick, you would probably need to max both titles, at which point you would probably never want to open another chest again, nor would the use of lockpicks be any benefit to the user other than a possible decent drop (no lucky or treasure points cause of being maxed). Well, i'd probably say more banter, but i'm tired... =oP
toddhd
I'm done with keys and lockpicks too. I don't understand how people are getting such good stuff. I've never gotten better than a purple item from a chest, and usually its blue. So I end up paying 600gp for a key to get an item that sells for maybe 100gp. And with lockpicks being in the platinum range - forget about it!
But while I'm on the subject, my drops stink too, and I just don't understand it. I'll go out with any given group on any given mission, and purples and golds drop left and right for other players, and I keep getting white and blue items. Never seen a green, ever (yes, I know which bosses are supposed to drop them). And I don't farm (not yet anyway) so it's not like my drops are going down from over farming. I don't understand it. Are characters given some sort of luck component? Cause mine stinks
But while I'm on the subject, my drops stink too, and I just don't understand it. I'll go out with any given group on any given mission, and purples and golds drop left and right for other players, and I keep getting white and blue items. Never seen a green, ever (yes, I know which bosses are supposed to drop them). And I don't farm (not yet anyway) so it's not like my drops are going down from over farming. I don't understand it. Are characters given some sort of luck component? Cause mine stinks
yarddog
i like the idea of being able to retain your lock pick, i dont have a great succes rate as of yet, my wisdom track r3, treasure r3 and lucky title , dont even know. i have noticed tho, in hard mode ALL chests require a lock pick and not a key for the area. kinda sucks for me, i currently have 50 phantom keys, but have been playing the tombs in hard mode and those phantom chests never appear, so i bought a ton of lock picks . i also agree that the quality of items dropping from these very high priced chests is poor at best.
i wouldnt mind paying top dollar for the lock picks, but only if i was actually able of getting items worth while, not just merchant fodder.
. i also agree that the quality of items dropping from these very high priced chests is poor at best. i wouldnt mind paying top dollar for the lock picks, but only if i was actually able of getting items worth while, not just merchant fodder.
Jongo River
The impression I get is that the GW lottery system works extremely well if you're an obsessive farmer/trader - all the wasted keys/picks get paid for by that 1 in a million valuable drop. It's not so good if you're just hoping for the odd decent weapon for your own characters. You waste so much time/cash, that if that 1 decent weapon you eventually find is for your own use, you generally would have been better off buying it.
Kakumei
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I've never gotten better than a purple item from a chest, and usually its blue.
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strcpy
Well, if you got a blue from a chest consider yourself to be the luckiest person alive as they do not drop from chests
Keys have almost never been a money maker unless you go with a very long term goal. For most of us they are a money sink. I've found that I loose less with lockpicks, especially given that elite tomes seem to drop from them a decent amount.
I much prefer them over keys - add to more than one title, you get to retain them every once in a while, and only take up one inventory slot.
Keys have almost never been a money maker unless you go with a very long term goal. For most of us they are a money sink. I've found that I loose less with lockpicks, especially given that elite tomes seem to drop from them a decent amount.
I much prefer them over keys - add to more than one title, you get to retain them every once in a while, and only take up one inventory slot.
Silent Elvin Ranger
Well at first, like right when HM was released I did like 10 lockpicks, 8 were golds. Recently I did 20, most were purple. I had like 14 purples. It is terrible.
I think that the chests in HM should drop a lot higher quality stuff...
I mean i am getting similar stuff from the 1.5k lock pics than from the 750g margonite keys (or the 1s that are up in desolation...maybe desolation keys).
My two cents
~Silent
I think that the chests in HM should drop a lot higher quality stuff...
I mean i am getting similar stuff from the 1.5k lock pics than from the 750g margonite keys (or the 1s that are up in desolation...maybe desolation keys).
My two cents
~Silent
Winston
I've probably been a bit luckier than most. When I do Tombs with my Ranger, I'll take 3 Lockpicks and most times after opening the 3 chests I will come out with 1 Lockpick. So 1-in-3 is fairly good.
I only have lvl1 Treasure Hunter too.
I only have lvl1 Treasure Hunter too.
strcpy
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I mean i am getting similar stuff from the 1.5k lock pics than from the 750g margonite keys (or the 1s that are up in desolation...maybe desolation keys).
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They are on par with the other keys that cost over a platinum and are MUCH easier to use - DoA, Urgoz, and the Deep are much worse rewards for the money/time/difficulty. At least in my experience.
mrvrod
imho, drops from kills and drops from chests in higher lvl areas (read gotta be lvl 20 to be there) should NEVER drop non max weapons or whites. I'm all for raritey to make you feel good when you finally get lucky, but i'd rather have 50g drop from a lvl 24 monster than a white fellblade, q5 dmg 13-21!!!
It's like going to beverly hills, breaking into a mansion, and coming out with about 3 or 4 8track players (b4 cassettes for you young ones)!
anet says they're against gold-farmers, and then prices the average person out of the game. thanks a lot!
It's like going to beverly hills, breaking into a mansion, and coming out with about 3 or 4 8track players (b4 cassettes for you young ones)!
anet says they're against gold-farmers, and then prices the average person out of the game. thanks a lot!
CyberMesh0
15% HM retention. Don't bother with them, they cost more than they are worth.
Davros Uitar
Frankly if you don't panic everytime your pick breaks and chests give out purples, stick at it, and keep an eye on the market as to where to sell and what for then there is no issue with break rates. Doing that makes a serious amount of money, and if you tipped it over by adding in lockpicks that hardly ever break then that would make it a way overpowered method to make money in the game.
And yes, I am max at treasure hunter and wisdom and yes I have accrued a serious amount of wealth through this.
So to lockpicks that break less - /notsigned.
And yes, I am max at treasure hunter and wisdom and yes I have accrued a serious amount of wealth through this.
So to lockpicks that break less - /notsigned.
Zeek Aran
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imho, drops from kills and drops from chests in higher lvl areas (read gotta be lvl 20 to be there) should NEVER drop non max weapons or whites. I'm all for raritey to make you feel good when you finally get lucky, but i'd rather have 50g drop from a lvl 24 monster than a white fellblade, q5 dmg 13-21!!!
It's like going to beverly hills, breaking into a mansion, and coming out with about 3 or 4 8track players (b4 cassettes for you young ones)! anet says they're against gold-farmers, and then prices the average person out of the game. thanks a lot! |
Spike
I gave up on lock picks after i lost 30 in a row at 50% retain and got 30 purples form those chests.
Quaker
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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder
Hey, I wanted to start a thread that would let A-net know how bad lockpicks are at the moment.
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For people who don't or can't (because of time constraints) open a lot of chests, they may find that the chests just give out a lot of crap - which they do. But mixed in among the crap are the occasional good drop of either a nice skin, or a low req, or nice mods or any combination of the three.
Unless the nice skin, weapon type, req, or mod, is of use to you, of course, the only way to recoup the cost of the keys is to sell the valuable bits.
So, if you don't open a lot of chests and/or don't want to spend the time it takes to sell the stuff, lockpicks can seem to be a bad investment. And in that case, they probably are. I'd say don't use them unless you really don't care and just want to open chests for the hell of it, especially in "earlier" areas and/or Normal Mode.
But, if you do open a lot of chests and are willing to spend the time it takes to sell the stuff, you can make a lot of gold, and get some good stuff for your own use. I know I do.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I wanted to add - because there are people who open a lot of chests and sell stuff, the chests have to have relative low rate of good drops to keep the economy from being flooded with even more stuff than it already is. Think of it this way, if you got an elite tome out of every second chest you opened, they would be worth next to nothing, and then you would be complaining that they were another "worthless" drop.
Sha Noran
Keys and lockpicks are only ever worth it if you're going to power farm an area with awesome skins for an extended period of time... and even then, most chests are a waste of time considering the low value of inscribable items. Chests don't really pay off very well anymore considering the state of the game.
Vinraith
Lockpicks are like lottery tickets. Personally I'm content to sell them at market rates, I'm quite confident I'm making more gold that way than I would be using the things.
leprekan
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Frankly if you don't panic everytime your pick breaks and chests give out purples, stick at it, and keep an eye on the market as to where to sell and what for then there is no issue with break rates. Doing that makes a serious amount of money, and if you tipped it over by adding in lockpicks that hardly ever break then that would make it a way overpowered method to make money in the game.
And yes, I am max at treasure hunter and wisdom and yes I have accrued a serious amount of wealth through this. So to lockpicks that break less - /notsigned. |
Bekkr
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I hate you for this thread necromancy. I truly mean this.
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Good stuff. Thank you for the laugh, Zeek.
Zeek Aran
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haha! I love it. You can't win around here... if you post a new topic that's at all similar to an existing one, you get flamed for not searching. If you search and find a topic relevant to what you wanted to talk about, you get flamed for thread necromancy.
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Pleikki
Meh Lockpicks are fine AT begin when Hm came like 9 from 10 was golds. Then it got worse. But did spent Week on Chesting (500-600 Lockpicks used) And got Better ranks wisdom and treasure and Lucky and now from 10 picks ~ 3-5 retains and 1-2 Purple from those 13-15 items. Fine for me. And usually some fine drops like Elite tomes ...
The Riven
Are lockpicks worth it? depends on how you use them i think, for me, no.
They do go towards my titles though, but as to seeing a profit? lol
I have a 28% chance to retain picks in mard mode.
Titles
1) Font of Wisdom (5)
2) Expert Treasure Hunter (4)
3) Tragic (4) 54,940 (games of chance lost)
4) Favoured (3) 237,212 (lucky points)
Due to the vast majority of items from HM chests resulting in a grape with a broken lockpick, i would have to say that unless one is aiming for titles "skip the pick".
They do go towards my titles though, but as to seeing a profit? lol
I have a 28% chance to retain picks in mard mode.
Titles
1) Font of Wisdom (5)
2) Expert Treasure Hunter (4)
3) Tragic (4) 54,940 (games of chance lost)
4) Favoured (3) 237,212 (lucky points)
Due to the vast majority of items from HM chests resulting in a grape with a broken lockpick, i would have to say that unless one is aiming for titles "skip the pick".
zwei2stein
The word you are looking for is "Goldsink".
Friar Khan
I don't use lockpicks or keys anymore. I suppose at other times opening chests may have been a viable way to make money, but it seems that time has long past. There've been too many times where I've been having a fun time playing the game, noticed a chest, then broken my lockpick for a purple and then cried. I'd much rather sell my lockpicks and buy whatever weapon I'd like to have.
That said, if some people like lockpicks as they are then more power to them.
That said, if some people like lockpicks as they are then more power to them.
Angelic Upstart
I never buy lockpicks, i use the ones that drop in HM.
Paying 1500 gold to get a req13 purple inscribed chakram is a bit of a piss take i think, and then you find out the pick got broken during the process....lol. No thanks...
Paying 1500 gold to get a req13 purple inscribed chakram is a bit of a piss take i think, and then you find out the pick got broken during the process....lol. No thanks...
Phineas
When you use a lockpick you a) know you have a chance of breaking it and b) know you are not guaranteed a gold item... don't complain when these things happen, just accept that as the norm and anything else to be a nice surprise.
Solas
its a gamble..that simple
jiggerjay
i am a sucker for keys and lockpicks, i always make sure i have around 100 picks on my character at any time, the current batch i have just will not run out and i have had them for about 6 months, i just keep getting more and more keys from hm, at one point during the triple drop i doubled my keys and got 200ish.
i just love the element of surprize when it comes to chests, i have had some nice drops in the past like an elemental sword 2 weeks after nightfall came out, collossal smitar not long after, perfect eternal shield, storm bows..... ok there is a lok of crap coming out of the chests lately, but thats the risk you take, at the end of the day i would rather spend my money this way than on a sweet-tooth title i will never need.
i just love the element of surprize when it comes to chests, i have had some nice drops in the past like an elemental sword 2 weeks after nightfall came out, collossal smitar not long after, perfect eternal shield, storm bows..... ok there is a lok of crap coming out of the chests lately, but thats the risk you take, at the end of the day i would rather spend my money this way than on a sweet-tooth title i will never need.
Holly Herro
Chests are a richmans gamble.
arcanemacabre
I personally don't buy them anymore, however, I don't sell them, either. They can be fun, just not worth the purchase.
onerabbit
Best thing ever imo
lets you work on 4 titles, why the hell u complaining.
lets you work on 4 titles, why the hell u complaining.