Over this past weekend event with the double xp for capping - I figured I'd go out and have a cap frenzy to help along my toon going for the survivor title. I capped at least 80 bosses (prob'ly well over - I didn't count - but for the sake of argument let's just say 80). You'd think after fighting 80 bosses, I'd see at least ONE green. I didn't see a single green item dropped all weekend and I played quite a bit and all I did was fight bosses. Is this part of the farming nerf or something or is there some other bug I've stumbled upon? Has anyone else noticed this?
IF it helps -- 90% of my cap runs were done with an 8-man team of hench/heroes and myself. (Since it's very hard to find capping only groups in random towns all accross all 3 campaigns I HAD to go that way). There are a few times I went with a smaller team (like 6) but most of the time I was in 8. Even so, in the past I would have seen maybe 2 or 3 greens out of 80+ bosses with an 8 man team.
It was just extremely disappointing to see so few drops. /-:
WHERE are the greens???
tyche7
Chanoine
Except those from furnace you can substract any boss u did in tyria from your 80 bosses since they do not drop greens.
But even so, let's say u did only green-looting bosses. You did so with an 8 men party which means you had only 12.5% chances of getting the green IF a green was dropped and the odds of a boss dropping green are not that big...
Did you ran out of luck, yes for sure, was it after some nerf or something, I don't think u can conclude that.
But even so, let's say u did only green-looting bosses. You did so with an 8 men party which means you had only 12.5% chances of getting the green IF a green was dropped and the odds of a boss dropping green are not that big...
Did you ran out of luck, yes for sure, was it after some nerf or something, I don't think u can conclude that.
Esprit
From bosses that actually drop greens, you have a 12.5% chance (12% for the sake of Anet rounding) to get a green, IF the green dropped. You'd have been lucky to see one at all.
For the sake of the argument, let's say the boss has a 10% chance to drop a green. With an 8-man party, you have a 10% * 12% of getting that green. That's a 1.2% or 1% in Anet rounding of getting a green. Your chances are not good.
That's why farming of greens is a 1 or 2 man thing and even then, you may only get a green every 10-20 runs.
For the sake of the argument, let's say the boss has a 10% chance to drop a green. With an 8-man party, you have a 10% * 12% of getting that green. That's a 1.2% or 1% in Anet rounding of getting a green. Your chances are not good.
That's why farming of greens is a 1 or 2 man thing and even then, you may only get a green every 10-20 runs.
Levi Garett
I capped ~50 elites this weekend and had two greens drop for me with full hero/hench parties.
Just bad luck for you or extremely lucky for me?
With full hero/hench 1/80 is normal odds. I don't know the exact numbers but if a boss drops his green 1/10 times you kill him then you multiply the hero/hench taking 7/8ths of the drops then 1/80 is not so hard to believe.
Just bad luck for you or extremely lucky for me?
With full hero/hench 1/80 is normal odds. I don't know the exact numbers but if a boss drops his green 1/10 times you kill him then you multiply the hero/hench taking 7/8ths of the drops then 1/80 is not so hard to believe.
william1975
I went out on two three different characters this weekend capping elites, I capped about 40 on the first, and 5 on the second and 5 on the third, out of all of them I got 5 greens, over the last two months previous to this I have had none, I was thinking they had nerfed it somehow to give more 
I was capping in NF only however, and on the 3rd character i was uncovering map at same time, seems to me it was kjust luck though, good luck for me bad for you
sorry
I was capping in NF only however, and on the 3rd character i was uncovering map at same time, seems to me it was kjust luck though, good luck for me bad for you
sorry
Kook~NBK~
I capped 55 or so elites - 50 in Elona. With Hero/Henchies I got 2 green drops. A friend of mine capped over 100 and only got 1 green.
tyche7
The numbers make sense - and to answer your question yes all 80 were bosses with viable caps and regular green drops. It just seems odd that in the past I would have seen 2 or 3 greens in that many bosses but now I see 0. Yes it could be just very bad luck compared to the past but it seems odd that this is the first heavy boss run I've done since the farming nerf. I was mostly wondering if others had experienced this as well..??
tyche7
Oh - I guess also for more info -- about 55% of the bosses capped were from factions (all over factions - except I did NOT do "noob isl"). And the other 45% were from Elona. None were from Tyria. (my toon isn't far enough in Tyria to start there yet).
one last tidbit - Since my char I was capping on is a paragon, while doing factions caps I was relying on capping on my 2ndary (changing it all the time). I, as an example, did the Temples mission 8 times in a row - once for each boss. So not only did I CAP over 80 bosses but I passed more than double that just trying to cap specific ones. I'd pass bosses along the way to getting to the boss I was trying to cap from in other words. So in all fairness I went through (and yes defeated) over 160 bosses easily this weekend. (Yeah - I played a lot). Just seems unlikely (possible yes).
one last tidbit - Since my char I was capping on is a paragon, while doing factions caps I was relying on capping on my 2ndary (changing it all the time). I, as an example, did the Temples mission 8 times in a row - once for each boss. So not only did I CAP over 80 bosses but I passed more than double that just trying to cap specific ones. I'd pass bosses along the way to getting to the boss I was trying to cap from in other words. So in all fairness I went through (and yes defeated) over 160 bosses easily this weekend. (Yeah - I played a lot). Just seems unlikely (possible yes).
Guildmaster Cain
Ive been killing bosses while farming Sunspear and Lightbringer points lately. On avarage, I got a green every 3-5 runs I think. Almost as if it was 3x green drop weekend. :P
Ofcourse this was Hard Mode.
Ofcourse this was Hard Mode.
Ouchie
We noticed in Elona after vanquishing 25 areas only 2 green drops for our party - thought that was rather low as well.
tyche7
all of my capping was done on "Normal" mode - so perhaps that's part of it..?
Darcy
I haven't had a green drop in months. But that is fairly normal for me, luck wise.
I know the heroes/hench are getting them, because if I party with a real person while exploring or capping, they always get the greens and golds.
One guildmate will drop everything to go out with me, as historically, he will be guaranteed a major share of the gold and all of the greens.
I know the heroes/hench are getting them, because if I party with a real person while exploring or capping, they always get the greens and golds.
One guildmate will drop everything to go out with me, as historically, he will be guaranteed a major share of the gold and all of the greens.
william1975
Half of mine was in m=normal half in hard, if a boss was easy to get to i would do it in hard, just to get Lb or SS points, some of the drops were in hard some in normal, but most in hard i think, so yeah maybe that is it 
Master Ketsu
Deldrimor ftw.
Graywing
Ah, I allready thought I was getting crazy, not having a single green drop in months after slaying countless number of bosses... to be honest the first 3 months after the release of nightfall I had some pretty nice drops, but from then on nothing, nada... And I slay a average of 7 bosses a day minimum. So by simple calculation that's almost 1000 bosses slayed without a single green, hooray!
HawkofStorms
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Oh - I guess also for more info -- about 55% of the bosses capped were from factions (all over factions - except I did NOT do "noob isl"). And the other 45% were from Elona. None were from Tyria. (my toon isn't far enough in Tyria to start there yet).
one last tidbit - Since my char I was capping on is a paragon, while doing factions caps I was relying on capping on my 2ndary (changing it all the time). I, as an example, did the Temples mission 8 times in a row - once for each boss. So not only did I CAP over 80 bosses but I passed more than double that just trying to cap specific ones. I'd pass bosses along the way to getting to the boss I was trying to cap from in other words. So in all fairness I went through (and yes defeated) over 160 bosses easily this weekend. (Yeah - I played a lot). Just seems unlikely (possible yes). |
Also, afflicted bosses have no greens.
Soul of the Scythe
^What he said. Bosses in missions do not drop greens. Perhaps thats why?
know how u feel. I'm cappoing on my dervish, it's a pain in the ass. Trick is to find out where else you can get the cap, if you can.
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Since my char I was capping on is a paragon
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Nekretaal
Say that farming greens you average one green in a solo party every 8 run. Well you have a full party of 8, which reduces your chance to get a green by a factor of 8.
Therefore your chance to get a green is at best 1/64. You only did 80 bosses. You didnt get a green, so you were unlucky, but if your luck was at the mean, you would have gotten only one green for those 80 bosses. You werent that unlucky.
Several other factors may have affected your drops. In hard mode, bosses also drops elite tomes and scrolls of passage. These may cut into green drop percentages. There's also some "your drops are reduced if your playing for too many hours straight code" in Guild wars, and many players believe that there is still some farm code in Guild wars too (this could be an issue if you were rezoning the areas one after the other... eg doing the Ranger in Mt Qunikai, then leaving and doing the ritualist there, then leaving and doing the monk...).
Therefore your chance to get a green is at best 1/64. You only did 80 bosses. You didnt get a green, so you were unlucky, but if your luck was at the mean, you would have gotten only one green for those 80 bosses. You werent that unlucky.
Several other factors may have affected your drops. In hard mode, bosses also drops elite tomes and scrolls of passage. These may cut into green drop percentages. There's also some "your drops are reduced if your playing for too many hours straight code" in Guild wars, and many players believe that there is still some farm code in Guild wars too (this could be an issue if you were rezoning the areas one after the other... eg doing the Ranger in Mt Qunikai, then leaving and doing the ritualist there, then leaving and doing the monk...).
wynoski
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I'm almost 100% sure that greens do not drop from bosses in missions.
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Sir Skullcrasher
I think Greens are kind of a rarity when killing a boss. You got like 50/50 chance (depending on if you brought heroes or real players).
tyche7
I have gotten greens in mishs. The first one that comes to mind is also from arborstone - I've gotten the mes staff there in the past. There are other mishs I've gotten greens from but I can't remember right off hand which those are at this moment.
ravensong
My friend was farming one staff...and it dropped after 7 hours of farming this weekend... hmm
Pandora's box
I can hardly remember the last green that dropped for me. I think it was in september 2006 in a 6 hero/hench party. I don't grind so maybe that's the reason. But I do slay some green wielding bosses every day. I understand greens are supposed to be rare, but not this rare!
Ouchie
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There's also some "your drops are reduced if your playing for too many hours straight code" in Guild wars
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tyche7
Maybe we should heed the warning:
"You've been playing for 2 hours. Please take a break"
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In my attempts this weekend I would play for a few hours (3-4 hours) at a time then take a break for a few hours and repeat. So if that's still in effect that's entirely possible.
"You've been playing for 2 hours. Please take a break"
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In my attempts this weekend I would play for a few hours (3-4 hours) at a time then take a break for a few hours and repeat. So if that's still in effect that's entirely possible.
Hyper Cutter
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I got River's Short bow in the Arborstone mission (not explorable)
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Ouchie
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Maybe we should heed the warning:
"You've been playing for 2 hours. Please take a break" (-: . |
2 hours seems a little low anyways especially in extra careful groups doing elite missions
Sir Skullcrasher
Come to think of it, I haven't gotten a green since I got that green monk staff from Factions!
Alex the Great
odd. i went 8 man capping and got 4 greens from 15 bosses
daggers of xueko on the way to another boss
ryvers short
thornbeards hornbow
and the charging strike guys maul
daggers of xueko on the way to another boss
ryvers short
thornbeards hornbow
and the charging strike guys maul
ElinoraNeSangre
It's just hit and miss. I solo'd Shezel Slowreaper (in normal mode) something like 30 times this weekend before I got the green drop. :P
LONGA
I got about 10 greens this week from running, capping skill.And there was a time time I got greens from 2 bosses in a row.
Too bad that those green ends up in the stroge ,nobody buy them.Gonna put those on heroes thou.
Too bad that those green ends up in the stroge ,nobody buy them.Gonna put those on heroes thou.
HawkofStorms
Okay, let me clarify. Bosses that ONLY appear in missions don't drop greens. For example,
Ryver Mossplanter can drop his bow in the explorable or mission location of arborstone
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ryver_Mossplanter
Stone Judge however, who only appears in arborstone mission, has no green to drop.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Stone_Judge
Ryver Mossplanter can drop his bow in the explorable or mission location of arborstone
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ryver_Mossplanter
Stone Judge however, who only appears in arborstone mission, has no green to drop.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Stone_Judge
wilebill
All of my characters have greens in their bags, others are stored in my storage, many of my heroes have greens. But these all dropped for me quite some time ago. Last two months maybe, I have seen only one green I think.
Call it luck if you want, but at this rate I would not have as many as I do.
Call it luck if you want, but at this rate I would not have as many as I do.
*Alexiel*
I captured 80 or so elites too this weekend trying to further my survivor title, Hardly any of which were in Tyria at all, I mostly exploited Cantha and Nightfall. However, I didn't drop a single green =/ It did strike me as a bit odd, but at least I've only 237,000 xp to go now, if nothing else *groan* >.<
Spazzer
When I got all 290 capturable elites in the game, I got 2 greens. :P
Bryant Again
Actually, when my warrior would go on Elite skill hunts, I think 1/3 of all the bosses I killed dropped a green.
...Of course, these were some pretty crappy greens, like a lot of rit staves and a +15% while stanced hornbow.
At Spazzer: You're not the Spazz that was in AmW, were you? Or am I getting you confused with someone else???
...Of course, these were some pretty crappy greens, like a lot of rit staves and a +15% while stanced hornbow.
At Spazzer: You're not the Spazz that was in AmW, were you? Or am I getting you confused with someone else???
roan_bladebearer
It's most likely just a luck issue, because I've gotten six greens in the past week.
CrystalMeep
I capped about 10 elites from this past weekend. The only green I got was from capping the ritualist in Nightfall (Bohdalz the Furious) and that was with heroes/henchies and dying a few times from the boss' spirit rift. Managed to kill him after I started flagging the heroes/hench further apart and making sure Jin targetted the boss to interrupt...
nevelo
I think the only practical way to acquire greens is to farm them solo, or to buy them from others. Lets take a look at the chances. We'll use a somewhat good estimate based on community experience that a green has a 5% chance of loading on a boss. 1/20 * 1/8 in a full henchman party, gives you a grand total of 1/160 (0.6%) chance of a green dropping for you. Even if the chances were 10-15% it would still be pretty low; 1/80 (1.25%) or ~1/54 (1.85%) respectively.
I've been doing a little research on green droprate myself, and the numbers are just pitiful. This isn't the best sample pool, but it will give you an idea on how hard it is to get a green, even if you kill the boss solo or with 1 other person. These figures come from killing about 35 different bosses.
Bosses killed solo: 183
Greens dropped: 15
Bosses killed with 1 other person: 44
Greens dropped (for me): 1
So that gives us an 8.2% droprate for solo bosses and a 2.27% droprate for bosses killed by 2 players. If we used the first figure to project the likelihood of a drop with a full party of 8... the figure is little over 1%. So... out of 100 bosses you should only get 1 green dropped for you.
It might be better, or it might be worse then my figures. I'm not sure at this point, because I have a feeling there might some scaling issues with greens. It's hard to tell since my sample size is very small. However, I was getting a 15% drop rate (out of 65 runs) before scaling was implimented, and now I am getting only 3% (out of 120 runs).
This could be a result of scaling not being applied to greens properly (in which case you would have been more likely to green, likely ~1/50 probability), or that anet has globally lowered the drop % on greens, while at the same time exempting it from scaling. Which would, make your probability in a group even lower, maybe worse then 1/200...
Or it just could be a streak of good luck for the first set of figures, and a streak of badluck for the second... Which is probably the most likely. Either way, chaulk it up to luck.
I've been doing a little research on green droprate myself, and the numbers are just pitiful. This isn't the best sample pool, but it will give you an idea on how hard it is to get a green, even if you kill the boss solo or with 1 other person. These figures come from killing about 35 different bosses.
Bosses killed solo: 183
Greens dropped: 15
Bosses killed with 1 other person: 44
Greens dropped (for me): 1
So that gives us an 8.2% droprate for solo bosses and a 2.27% droprate for bosses killed by 2 players. If we used the first figure to project the likelihood of a drop with a full party of 8... the figure is little over 1%. So... out of 100 bosses you should only get 1 green dropped for you.
It might be better, or it might be worse then my figures. I'm not sure at this point, because I have a feeling there might some scaling issues with greens. It's hard to tell since my sample size is very small. However, I was getting a 15% drop rate (out of 65 runs) before scaling was implimented, and now I am getting only 3% (out of 120 runs).
This could be a result of scaling not being applied to greens properly (in which case you would have been more likely to green, likely ~1/50 probability), or that anet has globally lowered the drop % on greens, while at the same time exempting it from scaling. Which would, make your probability in a group even lower, maybe worse then 1/200...
Or it just could be a streak of good luck for the first set of figures, and a streak of badluck for the second... Which is probably the most likely. Either way, chaulk it up to luck.
JeniM
Was this a glitch or did they change Greens so they drop WITH hench?
i had a new char so it only a noob isle bow but i got it with 3 henchies
i had a new char so it only a noob isle bow but i got it with 3 henchies