1. If, and only if, the ATS skin rewards contain armor and weapon skins that are from Tyria and Cantha, and the PVE equivlents remain shut out from insignia and inscriptions, pvp chars will have a customising advantage over pve chars.
2. I know this is not gamebreaking, and this topic is not to discuss how good or bad the ATS rewards are, just the topic of possible imbalance in terms of verstillity with pvp vrs pve items.
My personal opinion, is that if the ATS rewards contain PVE skins from Tyria and Cantha, the older campains need to be upgraded to the current system for armor and weaponary, and tweaked for possible issues with overpriced insignia ( if any, prices have been dropping on some items, like bloodstained) in order to mantain (and fix) parity between all of GWs areas and gamemodes in terms of equipment verstillity.
Example: if ATS skins rewarded 15k female Warrior Kurzick armor, and it was insigniable, i would like the same functionality on my PVE warriors idenctical armor.
(salvage odds being changed to 100% for mods would be nice too in my thoughts, but, thats just a related issue that might crop up in terms of pvp and pvp equipment verstillity, and might not be nessesary)
ATS Rewards, and implications for Balance with PVE
Solar Light
kumarshah
Give me inscriptions in Tyria and Cantha and I would be a bit happy. Nothing like getting a rare drop with a crappy mod that can't be changed.
Zinger314
How is this different from the thread already posted? Seems like a veiled "add inscriptions to everything" thread, and a weak argument about the PvP Skins.
Solar Light
the other topic had little discussion on the fact that pvp chars and Nightfall armor/weaponary are more verstile the the old stuff, and the fact that i can currently make a pvp warrior with radiants on knights armor, or that future armor skins for pvp will be the same, if its not Nightfall/core skins.
the other topic also has alot of arguement and flaming about jealouslys, about skins deserving a place in pvp, ect, very little was said on the topic of armor verstillity, i scanned the whole topic myself.
And, i feel a announcement about ATs news with lots of discussion on them being good or bad is differnt then a topic about armor imbalance between campains and gamemodes.
plus, if i bother to post anything in the ATS announcement topic, it would get buried in the flames like the 1-3 other posts that said anything about armor verstillity for tyrian/canthan equipment skins between pvp and pve
and, Asides from the Anet sales pitch on inscrips and insignia being nightfall goodies, is there any sane reason to make and keep Tyrian and Canthan equipment obsolote in verstillity and modding?
casue, its absurd enough that i predict that any chance of this upgrade is coming with GW:EN, but that it seems pvp players get it first and early?
Equipment verstillity has been broken in GW since NF launch in PVE for older equipment, and it makes no sense not to upgrade it, and fix any problems with the costs of insiginia, if theres any problems left, aside from LT insignias.
The one thing that can probably invalidate my imbalance arguement, is if pvp skins that used insignia and inscrips were Nightfall or pvp only skins, which they are not now at the present time, and, the odds of ATS skins not including Tyrian and Canthan stuff is....33% to my guess.
the other topic also has alot of arguement and flaming about jealouslys, about skins deserving a place in pvp, ect, very little was said on the topic of armor verstillity, i scanned the whole topic myself.
And, i feel a announcement about ATs news with lots of discussion on them being good or bad is differnt then a topic about armor imbalance between campains and gamemodes.
plus, if i bother to post anything in the ATS announcement topic, it would get buried in the flames like the 1-3 other posts that said anything about armor verstillity for tyrian/canthan equipment skins between pvp and pve
and, Asides from the Anet sales pitch on inscrips and insignia being nightfall goodies, is there any sane reason to make and keep Tyrian and Canthan equipment obsolote in verstillity and modding?
casue, its absurd enough that i predict that any chance of this upgrade is coming with GW:EN, but that it seems pvp players get it first and early?
Equipment verstillity has been broken in GW since NF launch in PVE for older equipment, and it makes no sense not to upgrade it, and fix any problems with the costs of insiginia, if theres any problems left, aside from LT insignias.
The one thing that can probably invalidate my imbalance arguement, is if pvp skins that used insignia and inscrips were Nightfall or pvp only skins, which they are not now at the present time, and, the odds of ATS skins not including Tyrian and Canthan stuff is....33% to my guess.
xshadowwolfx
Its kind of a reward for pvper players thats all.
Some of them don't enjoy PvEing or like to get a rare skin but don't have enough to get the skin in perfect stats. They stay that way, because they spend all their time and "work" pvping. I don't think its a big deal.
Some of them don't enjoy PvEing or like to get a rare skin but don't have enough to get the skin in perfect stats. They stay that way, because they spend all their time and "work" pvping. I don't think its a big deal.
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If this thread didn't contain the word AT, then maybe it could be a more valid/viable approach to getting PVE armor upgraded across the board. Right now it's just being used a some kind of unfair balance or excuse as to why you want what you want, and what you feel is right. I haven't seen threads before from the community bitching about how I can make my short sword 2million times if I please. Yet now with the possibility of so called RARE skins, the moaning happens. Anyways yeah I PVE too, and I do think the older armors should be able to make use of insignias. Weapons are a whole different story. Even many PVE skin/gold farmers/collectors call em whatever, would throw a hissy fit because once a weapon can be inscriptable,it severely dampers the coin some one can gain from said weapons.
Solar Light
I have no issues with pvp playerrs getting more equipment skins, thats not the point of this topic,
My point is, that i want that same verstillity and functionality with my PVE Knights armor that a pvp warrior gets, and to apply to ALL Tyrian and Canthan equipment.
I can give examples of updates that changed all stats for crafters and existing armor, like the changes for Dreadnoughts insigna to swap the stats and wording around, and keep the same effect.
theres plenty more updates too to show it can be done, if anet can change stats, cant they change insigniability?
weve already paid for our existing armor stats, and there are ways to deal with issues of newbie armor being used to mass produce insignia.
My point is, that i want that same verstillity and functionality with my PVE Knights armor that a pvp warrior gets, and to apply to ALL Tyrian and Canthan equipment.
I can give examples of updates that changed all stats for crafters and existing armor, like the changes for Dreadnoughts insigna to swap the stats and wording around, and keep the same effect.
theres plenty more updates too to show it can be done, if anet can change stats, cant they change insigniability?
weve already paid for our existing armor stats, and there are ways to deal with issues of newbie armor being used to mass produce insignia.
Solar Light
sorry, had a lagged double post.
Edit, there has been alot of discussion in the past, i can compare it with the Razah Topics.
only differnce is, armor talkes died, Razah didnt, and we got a cheap Razah now.
and yes, its almost like a excuse, but, however you look at it, there is a painfuly obvious equipment imbalance for verstillty and functionality.
and, i think it has been ignored, cna someone find me a single dev chat or quote that has them saying anything meaningful on this other then, no, its not coming yet in the occasional Galie ingame chatlog??
Edit, there has been alot of discussion in the past, i can compare it with the Razah Topics.
only differnce is, armor talkes died, Razah didnt, and we got a cheap Razah now.
and yes, its almost like a excuse, but, however you look at it, there is a painfuly obvious equipment imbalance for verstillty and functionality.
and, i think it has been ignored, cna someone find me a single dev chat or quote that has them saying anything meaningful on this other then, no, its not coming yet in the occasional Galie ingame chatlog??
Gregslot
The point isnt that they should add it.
The problem is that they will add it, but then why take so long to do so?
The same thing happened to Razah, Pet controls, acess to UW/FoW (with hard mode)... all these things we have been asking for a very long time and they add just in time we get to say "about god damn time"
The problem is that they will add it, but then why take so long to do so?
The same thing happened to Razah, Pet controls, acess to UW/FoW (with hard mode)... all these things we have been asking for a very long time and they add just in time we get to say "about god damn time"
Solar Light
waiting for GW:EN for the hope of old armors being fixed is a year from Nightfall launch or close to that, waiting a year for something as basic as equipment to be balanced in pve is absurd to me
and yes, i even doubt that if we dont bother to ask, that old armors getting fixed would NEVER come, heck, Razah had more discussion then this topic on GWO and Guru from the topics i monitored, and it lasted longer, and actualy had meaningful dev quotes.
i worked hard for my tyrian and canthan armor, paid for it, is it too much to ask that they get updated when the armor system gets revamped?
With GW:EN being the last significant expansion of GW that we see, and GW2 on the horizion, I just hope to see that we can get our old armors and crafters UPDATED to the curent standard.
proably my last significant point for the night:
GW;EN has new armors and equipment added into the game along with heros, the odds of this stuff not having insignia and inscriptions is next to nothing.
and yes, i even doubt that if we dont bother to ask, that old armors getting fixed would NEVER come, heck, Razah had more discussion then this topic on GWO and Guru from the topics i monitored, and it lasted longer, and actualy had meaningful dev quotes.
i worked hard for my tyrian and canthan armor, paid for it, is it too much to ask that they get updated when the armor system gets revamped?
With GW:EN being the last significant expansion of GW that we see, and GW2 on the horizion, I just hope to see that we can get our old armors and crafters UPDATED to the curent standard.
proably my last significant point for the night:
GW;EN has new armors and equipment added into the game along with heros, the odds of this stuff not having insignia and inscriptions is next to nothing.
Seef II
I fail to see how a PvP Dwarven Axe that's inscribable is unbalanced compared to the crafter's axe in Camp Hojanu. It's just looks, there is no statistical (dis)advantage, therefore no imbalance. There's already some of it with the HoH chest.
Haven't heard anything about any revamp of the armor system. But they did it for FoW stuff, so there's hope.
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Its kind of a reward for pvper players thats all.
Some of them don't enjoy PvEing or like to get a rare skin but don't have enough to get the skin in perfect stats. They stay that way, because they spend all their time and "work" pvping. I don't think its a big deal. |
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eh... i spend all my time and 'work' in pve, and haven't gotten a decent skin in perfect stats... hell I haven't even gotten a super common skin with perfect stats O.O i hope these rewards are just like forgotten sword that pve can also get perfect without too much trouble, and not like... a dead sword or elemental sword or IDS...
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Why did you list IDS? afaik they're still 20k.
Hell Raiser
Like I posted in the other thread: I highly doubt the skins will be much better than 1.5k armor (maybe certain 15ks) and common skin weapons. It would add a huge amount of variety, while the rare skins (Crystalline, FoW armor) are excluded. I don't think Anet is stupid enough to put expensive/rare skins in. You can have plenty more variety with only common skins.
Series
I just hope that, if Anet is stupid as the above poster said, that they allow my roleplaying characters to reap the benefits of the reward. It is completely ridiculous that in order to enjoy my reward I would need to roll a brand new Necro when my current one is just fine, just because I am open to both gametypes. 
Miral
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Originally Posted by Narcism
I have a hard time believing you spend so much time and work in pve, and haven't gotten a decent skin in perfect stats, maybe you need to lower your expectations.. y'know.. maybe get a 13 req, or a purple.
Why did you list IDS? afaik they're still 20k. |
i just listed some skins that can only be gotten from certain monsters
Yichi
im honestly not doing this in 2 different threads....
Lord Sojar
You can't go show off that warrior in Lions arch.. PvP characters are bound to the battle isles and the Guild Hall. Keep that in mind, and try to keep this in context.
ichigo_panty
Think of it as a gold cape/rewards given to the pvp-ers who deserving earned the points needed to unlock it.
lyra_song
Well with Prop/Fact Armors and Weapons. They NEED runes and insignias, period. Thats a seperate matter altogether that needs to be addressed.
Theres already the natural advantage a Nightfall character has over the prop/fact character in terms of customizability and skills (power creep anyone?). You should take THAT up with Anet.
In a level playing field, however, a PvP warrior loaded up vs a PvE warrior loaded up with identical chapters accessible to them and the same amount of unlocked things, are pretty much even.
The difference is how long it takes to get them fully loaded.
So no, imo, ATS reward skins would not do anything to imbalance gameplay. They are only, after all, skins.
Depending on how Anet implements it, it could mess with certain parts of the economy but nothing even close to hardmode's increased drops of certain things.
I have my issues about ATS reward skins, but balance is not it.
Theres already the natural advantage a Nightfall character has over the prop/fact character in terms of customizability and skills (power creep anyone?). You should take THAT up with Anet.
In a level playing field, however, a PvP warrior loaded up vs a PvE warrior loaded up with identical chapters accessible to them and the same amount of unlocked things, are pretty much even.
The difference is how long it takes to get them fully loaded.
So no, imo, ATS reward skins would not do anything to imbalance gameplay. They are only, after all, skins.
Depending on how Anet implements it, it could mess with certain parts of the economy but nothing even close to hardmode's increased drops of certain things.
I have my issues about ATS reward skins, but balance is not it.
Coridan
i think that its bogus that you can only get rewards points if you participate in the Hero Ladder or GVG ladder....what about those of us who only like RA/TA/HA?
I mean come on a bit one sided there isn't it?
I mean come on a bit one sided there isn't it?
Ouchie
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Its kind of a reward for pvper players thats all.
Some of them don't enjoy PvEing or like to get a rare skin but don't have enough to get the skin in perfect stats. They stay that way, because they spend all their time and "work" pvping. I don't think its a big deal. |
Diddy bow
My issue is that anet have again broke the pve economy, this being time number 3, inscription weapons made 99% of nf thing pretty worthless, then the solo neft (wont go into detail there) and now this which, if they get anything beond 1.5K armors and a couple of common skins, say sword wise they get short sword, longsword, and wingblade things like that. if they get all the weapons and armor then pve will go to hell :/
lyra_song
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To be fair they should give PvP rewards to PvE players to then - certain skins .....
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Champion / hero / gladiator / commander titles and gold/silver trimmed capes for PvE without having to step foot in battle isles to PvP please.
Nekretaal
ATS rewards being PvE skins is lame.
(1) Since the AtS is replacing, for all intents and purposes the quarterly tournaments and the ladder, the rewards better be good.
(2) You win a GVG championship in an ATS, and all you get is a skin that PvE already has... something that if you take with you to RA will cause others to ragequit? ouch. This sucks.
(3) ATS reward points are also available from Hero tournmants. You win a Gvg championship, and you only get something that somebody who is practically playing pvE also gets? lame.
Understandably PvE is upset because they dont like something that "costs" hundreds of hours of gameplay (according to market prices) to be given out in some ATS hero tournament where a lucky build could gurantee an easy victory against the 2 other people playing, or some 3 am GvG ATS between scrubs. Also since these skins are account based unlocks, its pretty obvious that, given enough time played, everybody who pvps will eventually get them (just like everybody eventually takes HoH at some point). And, once gained, they are infintely duplicable by that player's characters.
But from the PvP side, isnt this also lame enough to be worth raising? Instead of a new reward, you get a recycled reward from PvE. this isnt a gold trim that says "I am a champion." This is a status item that says "I am either a champion or an ebayer." Its lame. Even Rollerbeetle tonics were better than this!!!
This ATS is replacing the ladder, and its replacing the quarterly tournaments, and what its replacing them with as a reward... sucks. Imagine some Gvg team dominates in the early tornaments and wins all the skins (that they probably already have because prophecies has been out for 2 years, and nightfall for 6 months)... then what? Theres no reason left for them to play? They should just leave? (This is a serious question: once a pvp has UAX including the new skins, since there is no more ladder (as a practical matter) why keep playing?)
Anet. If you do an ATS. DO IT RIGHT. New rewards. Rewards that are equal in effect to the gold trimmed capes and ladder ranking. If the rewards are as lame as pvE skins... I just dont see people getting excited.
(1) Since the AtS is replacing, for all intents and purposes the quarterly tournaments and the ladder, the rewards better be good.
(2) You win a GVG championship in an ATS, and all you get is a skin that PvE already has... something that if you take with you to RA will cause others to ragequit? ouch. This sucks.
(3) ATS reward points are also available from Hero tournmants. You win a Gvg championship, and you only get something that somebody who is practically playing pvE also gets? lame.
Understandably PvE is upset because they dont like something that "costs" hundreds of hours of gameplay (according to market prices) to be given out in some ATS hero tournament where a lucky build could gurantee an easy victory against the 2 other people playing, or some 3 am GvG ATS between scrubs. Also since these skins are account based unlocks, its pretty obvious that, given enough time played, everybody who pvps will eventually get them (just like everybody eventually takes HoH at some point). And, once gained, they are infintely duplicable by that player's characters.
But from the PvP side, isnt this also lame enough to be worth raising? Instead of a new reward, you get a recycled reward from PvE. this isnt a gold trim that says "I am a champion." This is a status item that says "I am either a champion or an ebayer." Its lame. Even Rollerbeetle tonics were better than this!!!
This ATS is replacing the ladder, and its replacing the quarterly tournaments, and what its replacing them with as a reward... sucks. Imagine some Gvg team dominates in the early tornaments and wins all the skins (that they probably already have because prophecies has been out for 2 years, and nightfall for 6 months)... then what? Theres no reason left for them to play? They should just leave? (This is a serious question: once a pvp has UAX including the new skins, since there is no more ladder (as a practical matter) why keep playing?)
Anet. If you do an ATS. DO IT RIGHT. New rewards. Rewards that are equal in effect to the gold trimmed capes and ladder ranking. If the rewards are as lame as pvE skins... I just dont see people getting excited.
lyra_song
I mentioned in the other thread, that Anet should reward PvPers with PvP content, so an ORIGINAL and PvP-only armor (and weapon) skin set would be a much more appropriate idea.
Ouchie
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Oh please with skins. I want what makes PvP specifically PvP.
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Titles are a different issue you earn them for different aspects of the game. If I wanted any of those things I would go get them like any other title.
However, If all PvE skins are available without PvEing then items that drop from chests in HoH exclusively should be put somewhere in PVE
sweat man
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lyra_song
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Well that isn't what this is about - it's about skins as rewards
Titles are a different issue you earn them for different aspects of the game. If I wanted any of those things I would go get them like any other title. However, If all PvE skins are available without PvEing then items that drop from chests in HoH exclusively should be put somewhere in PVE |
You buy armor, how do you get money? You kill stuff/or power trade.
You gain vanquisher, how do you do that? You kill stuff.
You gain drunkard, how do you do that? you drink booze? where do you get booze? you buy it. where do you get money? you kill stuff/or power trade.
Its something to go after. Something to spend your time getting, because it might mean something to you.
Something that says "I did ___________ " (or ebayed).
Its not the substance of the reward, its the value that it represents.
To some PvPers, /rank means everything. To some, it means nothing.
To some PvErs armor skins mean everything. To some, it means nothing.
Its a perfectly valid comparison.
A PvPer who wins ATS has a chance at something thats from PvE without doing PvE.
A PvEr should have a chance for something thats from PvP without doing PvP.
Heres the only ways i will accept it:
1) ATS skin rewards are destructable (armor is not "unlocked", and weapons are sellable like HoH drops)
2) PvE should get a chance at PvP only things.
Avarre
I think a large point in the issue is that putting PvE and PvP on any kind of equal level of player skill and capability, and thus deserving of balanced reward between the two, is ridiculous.
sweat man
yeah, know what u mean, but i honestly think that in this particular case it is fuss over nothing, why were complaints not made when pvp first started to give baisic amour skins? becuase pvpers cant go where pvers can. end of, that way why the hell would ppl care what ppl have in pvp when they know its just unlocked with a form of faction...
Ouchie
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What difference is it if its a title or a skin?
You buy armor, how do you get money? You kill stuff/or power trade. You gain vanquisher, how do you do that? You kill stuff. You gain drunkard, how do you do that? you drink booze? where do you get booze? you buy it. where do you get money? you kill stuff/or power trade. Its something to go after. Something to spend your time getting, because it might mean something to you. Something that says "I did ___________ " (or ebayed). Its not the substance of the reward, its the value that it represents. To some PvPers, /rank means everything. To some, it means nothing. To some PvErs armor skins mean everything. To some, it means nothing. Its a perfectly valid comparison. A PvPer who wins ATS has a chance at something thats from PvE without doing PvE. A PvEr should have a chance for something thats from PvP without doing PvP. Heres the only ways i will accept it: 1) ATS skin rewards are destructable (armor is not "unlocked", and weapons are sellable like HoH drops) 2) PvE should get a chance at PvP only things. |
I do see your point on the other items which are cosmetic - If emotes are attached to a PvP title there should be a corresponding one for PvE.
I do see your point that Trims for capes should be attached to a PvE title as well (Guardian or Vanquisher maybe) and mini pets should be available in some form for all not exclusive for PvP. ( not that I actually want any more mini pets than I already have)
But the main topic is that they are taking everything people work for in PvE cosmetically (armor skins and weapon skins) and giving it as a reward for PvPing ... but not taking drops from HoH and making it a reward for PvEing, doing this simply degrades the value of a PvEr's in game time by rewarding PvPers for not spending any time PvEing to get the same rewards as well as the rewards they already get.
All cosmetic items should be available to both sides to even things out IMHO
Gregslot
Dear god... cant you people do something else?
First of all you are NOTHING to DEMAND anything from A.net, or anyone in here. So stop acting like you are the boss of them because you are not!
Second. A.net is not your mom, so you cant emotionaly blackmail them by annoying them with all this "BWWAAAA I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT!" or "If you dont do this im going to kill myself". The only thing you are doing is look ridiculous to them. "Who the heck this guy he think he is?" they must think.
Third. It is their game, they do whatever they want to it, they are doing what they think it will be the best for all. You cant really imagine that one guy says "We are adding this, we dont need to test or review the situation over and over, lets make some people unhappy muhahahaha". They obviously gather a team of experts and discuss this (people that created the game and know this game better then you, that get payed to do this right)
Fourth. If you are so unhappy, if you think that they screwed up this game and everything else, so WHY god... WHY are you still playing it?!? The only possible explanation for this is that you must be one of those people that are only happy when feeling unhappy u.u
Now go ahead and complain, complain until you let it all out, tell it to your mother, your daddy, the neighbour or even your math teacher.
But dont you dare complaining about the game and at the time you close this window you log in at GuildWars. Kind of a hypocrital attitude, isnt it?
Enough with this "Open your eyes A.Net" thing... it is about time YOU open YOURS.
"Do whatever makes you feel happy, if it doesnt, dont do it"
First of all you are NOTHING to DEMAND anything from A.net, or anyone in here. So stop acting like you are the boss of them because you are not!
Second. A.net is not your mom, so you cant emotionaly blackmail them by annoying them with all this "BWWAAAA I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT!" or "If you dont do this im going to kill myself". The only thing you are doing is look ridiculous to them. "Who the heck this guy he think he is?" they must think.
Third. It is their game, they do whatever they want to it, they are doing what they think it will be the best for all. You cant really imagine that one guy says "We are adding this, we dont need to test or review the situation over and over, lets make some people unhappy muhahahaha". They obviously gather a team of experts and discuss this (people that created the game and know this game better then you, that get payed to do this right)
Fourth. If you are so unhappy, if you think that they screwed up this game and everything else, so WHY god... WHY are you still playing it?!? The only possible explanation for this is that you must be one of those people that are only happy when feeling unhappy u.u
Now go ahead and complain, complain until you let it all out, tell it to your mother, your daddy, the neighbour or even your math teacher.
But dont you dare complaining about the game and at the time you close this window you log in at GuildWars. Kind of a hypocrital attitude, isnt it?
Enough with this "Open your eyes A.Net" thing... it is about time YOU open YOURS.
"Do whatever makes you feel happy, if it doesnt, dont do it"
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It is not "unfair"
It is only unfair because you are unwilling to get it yourself. You are more than able to GvG like any person. Like any PvPer is more than capable to get Cart and Survivor title.
And it is ironic. PvErs scream separation from PvP. ATS reward furthers this idea, ironically, you guys don't want it because it affects your economy. Hilarious.
2. Title and rank? Absurd.
your logic is based on entitlement and nothing more.
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Dear god... cant you people do something else?
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I am not complaining or ordering just making an opinion - I won't stop playing either way ... but.... logically if you give a way to obtain PvE to PvPers there should be a way to obtain PvP items for PvEers. In a politically correct~ don't favor one kid over the other kinda way. (IMHO
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Bruce Leeroy
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1. Might as well not give the reward since PvPers reroll constantly.
It is not "unfair" It is only unfair because you are unwilling to get it yourself. You are more than able to GvG like any person. Like any PvPer is more than capable to get Cart and Survivor title. And it is ironic. PvErs scream separation from PvP. ATS reward furthers this idea, ironically, you guys don't want it because it affects your economy. Hilarious. 2. Title and rank? Absurd. your logic is based on entitlement and nothing more. |
Bankai
Step 1: Create a PvP character
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
If you want to play with a PvE character, face the consequences.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
If you want to play with a PvE character, face the consequences.
lyra_song
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1. Might as well not give the reward since PvPers reroll constantly.
It is not "unfair" It is only unfair because you are unwilling to get it yourself. You are more than able to GvG like any person. Like any PvPer is more than capable to get Cart and Survivor title. |
Why should a PvPer be given a chance at a PvE item for doing PvP? This doesnt make any sense to me.
HoH chests i can let slide, since theres PvP only items (Balthazar Flame) pop out of there too.
In fairness, the PvPers have made their choice to not play PvE. In doing so, they choose to limit themselves to PvP only titles.
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This idea continues to seperate the two.
And ive made my comment on the economy (ie: this wont matter)
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2. Title and rank? Absurd. your logic is based on entitlement and nothing more. |
Just as absurd as a PvPer who gains PvE through PvP.
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Originally Posted by Bruce Leeroy
2. Not title and rank, but a chest that could drop a mini Ghostly Hero would be nice.
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Sir Skullcrasher
What if A-Net take away the rewards factor for both PvE and PvP? Think that would end this kind of debate right now?