ATS Rewards, and implications for Balance with PVE

A chest that drops Ghostly mini in PVE. Not pvp.

That was the point of the post.

this thread should have been closed like the other one did, simply because its full of speculation and misinformation. Every suggestion, idea, and topic was heavily debated and pointed out in the other thread that resulted in it being 14 pages and locked.... we really need this one to continue with the same?

It's all FUD anyway until we see numbers. Someone mentioned getting like 50 points for second place. So unless these unlocks are at like <100 points per unlock we don't have much to complain about. as the only people who will be getting them are going to be the top guilds, many of which who are already GvGing on PVE characters so the entire arguement is moot.

I will however go as far as to say Obsidian armor probably shouldn't be an unlock in any way shape or form, as for anyone who didn't ebay it did put a lot of time into getting it...

Regardless of detail and final implementation, theres nothing wrong with debating the very idea of it.

This idea of unlocking more skins for PVP has been brought up in sardelac MANY MANY times.

Besides the other thread was locked for all the non-sensical flaming.

Lyra and everyone

I thought that the PvP-side are getting the same skins that us PvE got? Unless A-Net decides to put out new skins that PvE side don't have. I would change into PvP mode in an instant to farm for those skins!

Hello I am a whiney thread full of whining and failure. I am in such pain, it is almost unbearable. If only some kind soul would put me out of my misery. Please lock me, oh gracious moderators.

When it comes to balancing there really is no way of balancing the two of them out.Anet can amke all chapters equal on a pve note but not when it comes down how to optain them.I thought that the idea of getting 15K and obsidian armour was ascention well so it doesn't really mean that much anymore as pvp char aren't really real.PvP char have no access to PvE areas the same should be the same for to skin but we already been through that.

I really hope Anet finds away to make it easier for those who want ascended armour and skins avaible for PvE chars.They are the olny one who can do the balancing and if they can't than completely separate PvE from PvP meaning get rid of favour and no fee for entrance to the UW and FoW as well as being ascended.The reason that was put in is so that you would have ot play in Halls of Heros when it was at The Temple Primevil of Kings or Tomps.When all is said and done I wonder why PvE at all as there is no reward for it.I am not venting to the PvP community just Anet themselves.

There is no real way of balancing this out and makeing it equal as PvPers will have an advantage over PvEers face it it is just PvP game afterall you want better stuff go play a different game.It is that simple as back in beta most of the testers were PvPers.

The only thing I know is it is going to take me atleast 2 maybe more years to get other sets of armour and it took 2 years to get a 15^50 Falchion.The rest are end game greens.

And the point is null.

Omfg I want mallyx in HoH chest!11111

But you are doing more than debating the idea. You are actually making assumptions and comparison to information none of us have.
You make value judgment to things you don't know the value of. What happens if a FoW armor needs 5000 points? Placing in top 8 gets you about 10-30 points.
You do that math. Of course that math is moot because NO one knows the exact value.

So yeah, you are doing more than debating the idea.

So im very passionate about a hypothetical circumstance. Nothing wrong with that. :P Philosophy is based on debating about things that you cant prove! XD

Im having lots of fun on this threads. Arent you? Powerful opinions make my blood rush and its very exciting.

I know the value of what things mean to me, regardless of what they mean to anyone else, and if the situation goes in the direction i fear it, then thats that.

If not, then my fears are still justified, because they are still based on my own conclusions and values, just not vindicated by how the powers that be run things.

Great, if you know a lot about philosophy then you should know better that you would never get a hold on something presuming it that it is a fact, and not a theory. We give you the right to argue on how it can be, but you cant, you shouldnt and you will not argue presuming that your "theory" is more then a theory, but a fact!

Most of us arent haveing fun discussing about this, because its exhausting to keep on discussing based on theory, its just like discussin on how angles make sex, you dont know, i dont know, so its a waste of time.
If you like to waste hours and hours presuming something, wich by the way you dont have any idea on how it is, then you must be sadic enough to like seeing people getting stressed all the time.

And im here to shove it in your face that your idea of "if the situation goes in the direction i fear it, then thats that." its WRONG, DEAD WRONG.
Wrong wrong and wrong... these are the toughts of a sttuborn and egocentric person, if you dont consider yourself one, then rethink your ways. First of all you allways must think that there is a possibility of beeing wrong, because you are no better then the rest of us to say "i am right and thats it", you dont own the truth, specially whe you are presuming, specially when you havent seen what it really is, specially when you have no experience on that subject to say where it is going, specially when you dont have any magical math formula to apply it at these sicunstances where we dont know if there is any X or Y (or even if it really is X or Y). So basically, since there is no experience in life that could teach us how this is going to be, it is IMPOSSIBLE, if not stupid, to hold a grip on a THEORY.

I used to think this way, and lots of bad things had to happen so that i could change the way i saw. It didint happened to you? Lucky you... you are indeed really lucky.
You can start thinking differently right now, or you can let life teach you its way. And we all know how life can be cruel.

This post lots its point... well... did it ever had a point?
CLOSE NOW PLEASE!!

Get laid more imo. Takes the edge off.

Well, look at Prophecies and Factions as Windows 95 and Windows 98SE. Nightfall would naturally be Win XP and ANet would be Microsoft. Now, if ASoft was to keep supporting and adding updates found in XP to the previous versions nobody would buy their newest project. A project that they spent a great deal of time, money and other resources to bring to life. Or in Anet's case, a project that is necessary to prevent the financial death and failure of the company.

Once the newest project has been kicked off it makes sense to get behind it with the majority of your resources. Supporting outdated software/experiments takes away from what could be used to build a brighter future for both company and customer. It's also a lot of hardwork due to many changes that have taken place, compatibility issues, and the massive scope involved.

Also, inscriptions are a major selling point for Nightfall. Adding them to previous chapters at all or adding them too early in the Nightfall's life cycle wouldn't make sense. We'll probably get them someday, it's just a question as to when.

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Microsoft gave updates for win98 security for a good while, i think they still do that now.

second, i am annoyed by the fact that people are not even talking about the point of my topic, can a mod clean this up?

Armor and Weaponary are basic core things, to exclude tyrian and canthan equipment from being its best, as im saying yet again, is not right....

Heh, why do you think they did things this way? Marketing, buy our next chapter because if you don't,you'll be left in the dust, gives incentive see. It's the same how after every new chapter pvpers must buy, because they've added tons of awsome skills that haven't been balanced yet so you need them, a few months later they roll out some patches and nerf and head full gear for the next chapter. Anyways back to my very first post, OP screwed the pooch on this one with a thread title containing "AT" oh and balance in PVE. Has really nothing to do with an actual balance in the game related to you being severely disadvantaged,-a few hp, or energy won't kill ya vs AI. Yes it's wrong, Yes it's dirty, but it's what A.net does best.

Lets see....my first post on this thread, basically was pointing out that skins dont imbalance the game......Thats certainly not a theory. Thats a fact. Thats not even an argument.

Second and third post....I make arguments against this idea(regardless of how its implemented) based on:

"PvPers are allowed to gain PvE vanity things without playing PvE, PvErs should be allowed to gain PvP vanity things without playing PvP."

This isnt theory either.

Fourth post, i continue the idea above, clarifying why i feel that
way. Heck, I even throw in a compromise.

The compromise is the hypothetical situation. "I would accept this idea...IF ______".

Fifth post, Crimson responds to my compromise and considers it absurd. Thats fine and dandy, but the compromise is part of my argument, which centers on accepting the original idea (PvP gaining PvE vanity), to consider my compromise absurd in turn allows me to consider the whole basis of it absurd, since its the same argument, with PvP in place of PvE.

I wont bring up my posts against Skuld...he just keeps making circular arguements....and thats like arguing against a wall.


So, how many times did i go theoretical or presume?

Once. And thats in my "if they implemented this, i would only accept __" compromise.

Whos presuming now?

Have you ever been in a bar with a bunch of drunk philosophers?

The thing you have to remember is: REGARDLESS of what Anet implements, and how they implement it, i am still against the idea of giving PvPers access to vanity PvE items without playing PvE. Understand that?

But I AM a stubborn and egoeccentric person sometimes. I love this paragraph. Really and truly. Keep it up. I dont even know where to start. ^_^ so i wont.

If you cant keep your personal feelings out of it, you shouldnt be in an argument, cause then it just turns into a fight. I only like fighting when its without malice.

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Back on topic....somehow.

Heh the forums are more entertaining than the game at this point.

The limited security updates offered for a while don't count; they were a liability to MS as much as to the users. Compromised machines could be used against other MS based local and foreign networks. If it was discovered that GW or a common ANet engine had a security flaw that could affect a major portion of the user base or GW2 do you not think they would address it? Would you consider that a content update or Anet covering it's ass?

I agree that Prophecies and Factions should get inscriptions eventually. But if ANet wants to keep them as an exclusive part of Nightfall I can understand and there's no amount of arguing that will change that. We were fine with no inscriptions for almost two years, let Anet milk as much as they can out of NF while doing more important things with their time before they filter down more free content.

the fact is, its not exclusive to nightfall, not with GWEN coming out with new armor and weaponary

They could do this for a price.It would mean that you would have to buy a new set of Tyrian or Canthan armour and put insignias on it as to your old armour you can just salvage the runes off of it.It would just be another gold sink.

And spending two months to get the kind of money to rebuy 15k warrior kurzick is sure my idea of fun >.>

and yes, im dirt poor, i suck at making money beyond buying skills and basic maxed armor, which at best is a playstyle that i chose to do, i dont deliberatiy farm alot, or sell stuff to the public.

and, prophecys and factions being old doesnt mean anet doesnt make money off them anymore, i know quite a few new players in nightfall that buy the old campains, you see presearing and shing jea full of players, many of them new at a constant basis, and still coming in.
(i know players make new characters, but there is still a significant amount of incoming newbies)

and, for these people to buy old campains and get substandard armor, is not good to my opinion.

heck, lets exammine how Rits and Sins get shafted again, they only have two insigniable armors and both are prestige armors , Vabbian (what person that deosnt farm for ages for this is going to get this?) and ancient, which is a 10k armor, and certianly not easy for sins and rits to get without saving or farming for a significant time.


to put it simply, two classes cannot get 1.5k armor capable of insignias, and thats feels rather.... bad. the only saving grace is that the canthan armor system for choosing stats is not as bad as tyrians being locked on skin, but, your sure not going to change your stats STILL.