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Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

12 May 2007 at 00:37 - 1

Just something in the Dev Chat that personally annoyed me.

Early in the chat, someone asked how GW2 would be different from WoW. The answer was fluff, really. Then someone else asks a question...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chat Log

<[Admin]Angelic> *LaZyM1cL0-gs* Any new Titles we can salivate for?
<GuildWarsDevTeam> James says, "The most exciting new titles for GW:EN are related to groups, like the Asura, Norn, and others. You will earn these titles in engaging in quests and other activiites, for example, you can impress the mighty Norn by hunting bosses.
<GuildWarsDevTeam> Each of these titles will be associated with a number of PvE-only skills.

This might mark the beginning of the end of Guild Wars.

Reputation Grind is what max-level players have to endure. It takes hours, even days, to level factions to the maximum level in World of Warcraft. And in World of Warcraft...there are 10+ of such factions.

Now look at the quote from the Dev Chat. It appears to be similar; grind reputation with these factions for mass benefit.

I have a question: Do people enjoy grinding titles like Sunspear and Lightbringer to the maximum level? Lightbringer takes nearly 8-9 hours of playing to reach maximum level; and that's while doing it effectively.

Now, in GWEN, it'll just be more grinding. And more grinding.

I thought GW was anti-grind!

WoW can keep players playing by enticing epic-level rewards for maximum reputation. It's a shame to see ArenaNet pull the same move, just to keep players for GW2...

Rainbird

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

12 May 2007 at 00:41 - 2

True, they gotta watch their step.
But that dev chat turned insane after the devs left... damn...

holababe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

Goon Squad [LLJK]

Mo/

12 May 2007 at 00:43 - 3

nothing wrong with Sunspear and Lightbringer imo

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 May 2007 at 00:46 - 4

It's only gonna be bad if it's a required grind. In WoW, you need those high reputations to further advance into instances, etc. If I'm required to become Exalted with an Asura tribe in order to do the next mission, then yes it's gonna be a grind.

I wish they specified a little more on that, like if it'll be required to advance through the campaign or if you'll earn some cool benefits (new armor, weapons, etc).

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Elona

Clan Eternal Legion

D/W

12 May 2007 at 00:49 - 5

This game is not a MMO style of play. They need to keep people busy somehow. I don't mind sunspear or lightbringer titles either, it gives people another option to keep busy until GW:EN and GW2. When I get bored I take a break then come back to do some catch up on some things.

jzupko

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

12 May 2007 at 00:49 - 6

Well, what's the alternative? Although Guild Wars is multiplayer and online, it's paced like a singleplayer game. Content comes much more quickly and is much more accessible than any MMO I've played. Yet, many players on these forums have mentioned 1000+ hours played in two years. How do you fulfill this kind of demand with a game where the "guts" can be completed in 40-60 hours (this was my experience, anyway) without grind? (this is of course within my assumption that the devs need to focus on GW2 for the next two years, not on regularly rolling out new content for GW1)

Silly Warrior

Hold it!

Join Date: Jul 2006

In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

12 May 2007 at 00:51 - 7

They need to keep people busy Zinger, Grind is the easiest way of doing this, doesn't mean its the best.

After GW:EN it will be another year and a half before GW2 shows it face, and the more grind= the more people around playing.

For better or worse, it was bound to happen.

sph0nz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

none.

W/

12 May 2007 at 00:53 - 8

You don't have to max titles. Titles are, for the most part, optional. You can just get the required points for advancing in the game, and then forget about them.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 May 2007 at 00:54 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silly Warrior

They need to keep people busy Zinger, Grind is the easiest way of doing this, doesn't mean its the best.

After GW:EN it will be another year and a half before GW2 shows it face, and the more grind= the more people around playing.

For better or worse, it was bound to happen.

Grind is usually set up in MMO's to keep the player subscribed. Dunno why it's in Guild Wars...

I don't think it's trying to get us interested. Maybe they just ran out of ideas...?

l Batman l

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

12 May 2007 at 00:54 - 10

There is no grind to stay competitive, only grind if you want it.

Tahlia Tane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

W/

12 May 2007 at 00:56 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

This might mark the beginning of the end of Guild Wars.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ARENANET IS DOOMED

SELL YOUR INGAME GOLD, ITS ALL OVER!!!111111

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 May 2007 at 01:03 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by l Batman l

There is no grind to stay competitive, only grind if you want it.

For NF? I agree. For GW:EN? We dunno yet...

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

12 May 2007 at 01:03 - 13

Some people are perfectly happy to spend hours upon hours sitting in a dark room in front of a glowing computer screen working away to gain in-game recognition and admiration from other gamers.

The rest of the world just thinks they're geeks :/

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

12 May 2007 at 01:23 - 14

Were you all surprised after the PC gamer article came out and some other interviews, they kept mentioning how the new PvE skills via title system worked wonders for the GW’s community. I even mentioned this a few times and some other people joined in, that it was not the best idea to have these PvE only skills hooked with the title system. However there was no stopping it from happening; even now it’s irrelevant for A-net to work backwards on this issue. So it’s just going to happen no matter what.

bamm bamm bamm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

12 May 2007 at 01:23 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

This might mark the beginning of the end of Guild Wars.

Oh, please.

People consume faster than development teams produce. Therefore, endgame (PvE or PvP) = repetitive. That's all there is to it.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

12 May 2007 at 01:42 - 16

How could a mmorpg not have any grind in it? do you just want an infinite level cap, with an infinite amount of quests, missions, skills, etc? the game has to end somewhere and at some point the only thing left is grinding.

lennymon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seattle

Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

12 May 2007 at 01:47 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

This might mark the beginning of the end of Guild Wars.

The sky is falling the sky is falling. ;P
Now I dont know you, and I don't wanna offend but, it *might* also make a beautiful new beginning... Neither you nor I, or anyone else for that matter will know untill at the very soonest July...

My advice, get outside and enjoy the spring a little today

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 May 2007 at 02:06 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Al

How could a mmorpg not have any grind in it? do you just want an infinite level cap, with an infinite amount of quests, missions, skills, etc? the game has to end somewhere and at some point the only thing left is grinding.

I think what we're focusing on here is not end-game grind, but essential grind. Example: In order to continue through to the next mission you'll have to grind a little to get a better rank with the Asuras, then they'll let you start the mission.

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

12 May 2007 at 02:08 - 19

So, this is going to be, what, the 154th time Guild Wars will completely die because one person saw something coming they didn't like?

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

12 May 2007 at 02:09 - 20

If this is like faction grinding..........................................

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 May 2007 at 02:11 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

So, this is going to be, what, the 154th time Guild Wars will completely die because one person saw something coming they didn't like?

Oy, who likes grinding hours on end?

Tahlia Tane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

W/

12 May 2007 at 02:13 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

So, this is going to be, what, the 154th time Guild Wars will completely die because one person saw something coming they didn't like?

For realz...

darkknightkain

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

P/W

12 May 2007 at 02:18 - 23

OH GOD

It is already bad enough in Nightfall you need mandatory grind a PER-CHARACTER title to its RANK SEVEN just to move on with the story.
And then, grind another PER-CHARACTER title to at least RANK FOUR+ to power LB skills just so get into human groups instead of playing that character with heroes/henchmens forever...

Please anet, don't make that even worse in GW:EN... At least make it account based like Factions Luxon/Kurzick factions so at least I can spread out the work among my different characters not repeating the same grind times N.

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

12 May 2007 at 02:18 - 24

I swear.. this is the fourtieth freaking time Zinger has posted 'ZOMG GW IS ENDING! OMG EVERYONE JUST LEAVE NOW!'.
Seriously.. that's all he/she is ever here for. Grinding=money, I'm a sucker for money, so grinding=fun.
Just get over it, if you don't like GW then go play runescape with your unanimated arrows and noseless faces and... and... /sigh. I'll stop my rs rant here.

jzupko

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

12 May 2007 at 02:23 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Oy, who likes grinding hours on end?

Based on the subscription numbers of WoW, lots of people?

Seriously though, whether the mentioned title grind at this point is *required* or not is pure speculation (AFAIK). I'm told Nightfall had it early on with Sunspear points as a native (I played through Nightfall with a foreign character). I suppose you could also classify Faction as a grind. So, it seems possible they'd go this route. But, I guess we'll just have to wait until we have more information though, eh?

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 May 2007 at 02:28 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzupko

Based on the subscription numbers of WoW, lots of people?

Ask anyone on there if they like to rep-grind. They'll say "no". For a lot of WoW's endgame content, you have to grind before you can use it - and that sucks.

jzupko

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

12 May 2007 at 02:34 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Ask anyone on there if they like to rep-grind. They'll say "no". For a lot of WoW's endgame content, you have to grind before you can use it - and that sucks.

Well, "my group of friends say THIS" arguments are kind of non-starters, but I played WoW until the endgame and knew quite a few people who enjoyed the rep grind. *shrugs* I think there's something about sittin' back with a beer (or cola, take your age appropriate pick) and just getting into a rhythm that appeals to some people. Mind you, it was a turn off for me (one of the reasons why I'm now posting on GW forums), but it's not necessarily a turn-off for everyone.

Kha

Sins FTW!

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Angel Sharks [AS]

12 May 2007 at 03:06 - 28

I'm getting tired of these apocalyptic posts. All the titles in the game are to give people something to do instead of just completing missions. Yes, if they made the titles a requirement it would be horrible, but they would have to be pretty stupid to do that - let's hope they're not that stupid.

Lifeinthefridge

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

1337land

W/E

12 May 2007 at 03:13 - 29

Ok i'm tired of people complaining about GRINDING ZOMG. Everything in this game is now considered grinding and if something is added its grinding. WTF DO PEOPLE DO IN THIS GAME ON THE PVE ASPECT, they get new titles they go farm the same dmg items with different skins. Hey I guess this is all grinding guys, its becoming just like WoW. Seriously what do you want ArenaNet to add so it's not grinding. I can't wait till GW 2 comes out so I can grind all day and night ../sarcasm Every time Anet trys to explain there reasoning about how there adding new things to the game that will in turn make a better end game exp people say its grinding. Same goes for GW2 every time somethings announced like a higher lvl cap people automatically assume its grinding...What do you want nothing to do and just go run around in towns all day.

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

12 May 2007 at 03:22 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lifeinthefridge

What do you want nothing to do and just go run around in towns all day.

Wait, most of us don't just randomly running in and out of towns all day?!?!?! Ah crap I guess I'm the only one that just maps about because there's been no expansions to keep me happy. Ever.

(Factions and NF were good.. no complaints.. but it was nothing compared to proph.. guess that's why I keep getting bored.)

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Aussieland

Prime Players Of [OSHA] ~ [dth] alliance. <3

Me/E

12 May 2007 at 03:27 - 31

Multitude of Difficult Quests to gain the PvE only skills > Grinding

X89

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Vancouver, WA

[iBoT]

Mo/A

12 May 2007 at 03:43 - 32

WTB care for this thread someone pm me with price.

Ok I for one am tired of people coming to conclusions that GWEN and Guild Wars 2 will be nothing but WoW like, it's going to be endless grind, blah blah blah blah.

Wait for the game, wait for the expansion, give your opinions then, because as of right now, your opinions, and ("observations" <----- if you can call them that) mean jack and $h!t.

And to Zinger, stop complaining, or leave the game, and if you have left the game, stop lurking on forums to start pointless bitch and rant threads.

Whichever mod wants to temp ban me or what have you, go for it.

noocoo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

12 May 2007 at 03:50 - 33

Is GW anti-grinded game?
ok, tell me what fame and rank are for?

Also, the grinds from Guildwars are not essential or necessary. You cannot get good rewards from GW grinds and cannot become 1337 by grinds. I am a mainly pve player but I don't care about title since they are no use for me, and I care about my char's appearance and coollooking armors only.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

12 May 2007 at 03:53 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknightkain

OH GOD

It is already bad enough in Nightfall you need mandatory grind a PER-CHARACTER title to its RANK SEVEN just to move on with the story.
And then, grind another PER-CHARACTER title to at least RANK FOUR+ to power LB skills just so get into human groups instead of playing that character with heroes/henchmens forever...

In defense of nightfall....Theres no grind for Sunspear.

The ranks of Sunspear are easily done by doing quests. These quests are along the way of your primary quest, or part of the primary quest.

Anet added as an option, players a way to NOT do any storyline and just grind to lvl 17 to leave the area, instead of the natural pace they laid out.

And lightbringer...i beat Nightfall with a lightbringer rank of 2. With pugs. with a paragon.

Maxing out Sunspear and Lightbringer is a grind and not required.

Quote:

Please anet, don't make that even worse in GW:EN... At least make it account based like Factions Luxon/Kurzick factions so at least I can spread out the work among my different characters not repeating the same grind times N.

Id like it if they mixed the two formats together.

Mandatory but non-grindy account based point system that peaks early and you can optionally grind for yourself.

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

12 May 2007 at 04:03 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

This might mark the beginning of the end of Guild Wars.

ZOMG!! An OPTIONAL title that involves grinding!! We've NEVER seen this in GW before! Ohh woe is me!! What shall we ever do!!!

ROFL!

Zinger, you really gotta take a chill pill. You've been completely up in arms against every word spoken by A-net lately. Maybe you need to take a break from the game or something.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 May 2007 at 04:08 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

ZOMG!! An OPTIONAL title that involves grinding!! We've NEVER seen this in GW before! Ohh woe is me!! What shall we ever do!!!

ROFL!

It was never stated if it was optional or not, which is probably the biggest concern: Is it going to be an optional grind? If so, how long will we have to grind?

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

12 May 2007 at 04:13 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It was never stated if it was optional or not, which is probably the biggest concern: Is it going to be an optional grind? If so, how long will we have to grind?

Even if it is mandatory, it only requires you to do quests, which is no different than what everyone has been doing in every other chapter of GW. There's really nothing new here. Quite frankly this sounds more like the Lightbringer/Sunspear title more than anything. Grind up your title and get some PvE skills. No real reason to fear, lol.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 May 2007 at 04:22 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

Even if it is mandatory, it only requires you to do quests,

It does : o ? You know 'dis how?

Quote:

Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

There's really nothing new here. Quite frankly this sounds more like the Lightbringer/Sunspear title more than anything.

True. But what if the time it takes to get the required title tier in GW:EN, in order to progress farther into the game, is equivilent to the time it takes to gain R10 Sunspear?

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

12 May 2007 at 04:34 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It does : o ? You know 'dis how?

Yes, I read the quote from the OP:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chat Log

You will earn these titles in engaging in quests and other activiites, for example, you can impress the mighty Norn by hunting bosses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

True. But what if the time it takes to get the required title tier in GW:EN, in order to progress farther into the game, is equivilent to the time it takes to gain R10 Sunspear?

Why would you expect this? There is NOTHING that even implies this in the chat log, yet there are cries of the 'end of GW', lol!

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

12 May 2007 at 04:39 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It was never stated if it was optional or not, which is probably the biggest concern: Is it going to be an optional grind? If so, how long will we have to grind?

It was never stated as being mandatory either. All they said was there were some new PvE only skills tied to it.