PvP vs PvE Pros - Help Me Out

This, my friends, is the great paradox of the internet: everyone likes to rant, but no one ever wants to read one.

Anyways, it still stands the same. If you want to PvP, use a PvP character. That's what they're there for.

Yes... I was actually thinking about "buying" skills with Balth faction the other day, myself. The method I thought up was in unlocking them twice, so to speak. If I play my PvE Assassin, I'd like to be able to launch in RA or whatever, get 2k faction, unlock a new skill, then "purchase" it for use. If unlocking a skill in PvP using this method is supposedly the equivalent of just buying one (or getting a quest reward) in PvE, I don't see any reason why this shouldn't be allowed. I've already unlocked the skill, after all. I've earned the right to use it, certainly. I've trained up my character and decked him out and used him properly enough to earn my victories. I'm even paying twice the amount other people do.

Elites are another story, though. It's a battle to find the right boss and then to kill it and capture his unique skill, after all. Then again, in PvP, you're just trading in 3 ordinary skills for an elite one. Would 6k faction really be the equivalent to hunting down and killing a boss? It'd certainly be as much of a pain in the butt, but it still doesn't seem right.

How? What does a PvE character bring to the table that a PvP character cannot? More power to you if you run a PvE character in PvP. I never said it was impossible, but did you take the time to UAX your PvE warrior? I assume you did. Can you make a PvE assassin or Ritualist and take it directly into GvG? Can you make a PvP-only assassin or rit and do it? being able to take one PvE character into GvG and be on equal footing is an accomplishment, but consider the time spent just to get that one character ready to PvP. THEN consider the time spent to make a PvP-only character and be ready for GvG, even starting from scratch, no unlocks.

The "distinct disadvantage" I mentioned had nothing to do with weapons. I meant the skills that were unlocked by that account for a Pvp character, against the skills learned by a character for a PvE character. The PLAYER has unlocked a certain amount of skills, but only the PvP-only character can take full advantage of them. The PvE character is far more limited in skill selection, unless he has done as you did and took a LOT of time and effort making that one specific character ready for PvP.


How? I'm with Lyra on this one, I don't think that a PvE character can ever have an equipment advantage over a PvP pcharacter. I could be wrong, but doesn't every modifier/inscription that exists in PvE also exist as an unlockable in PvP?


So are PvE characters. A completely new player, one who just picked up GW an hour ago, is not going to be competitive in high-end GvG. My line of thinking is from someone who has almost all the item unlocks, and a good number of skills and elites unlocked, but the skill unlocks are spread across 10 PvE characters. Each individual PvE character has to go out and cap specific elites based on what I will be playing them as.

Any PvE character can be just as good in PvP as a PvP character, if the player is willing to spend dozens of hours and possibly hundreds of platinum (on tomes) preparing for that. Why would anyone spend that time when PvP-only characters have all the advantages, and none of the disadvantages.

The thread was about that simple question. To me, it seems you believe that PvE characters should be difficult to bring into PvP. I explained why I don't believe that already, I think that PvP should be about the player, not about the character. Also I believe that removing the barriers that prevent people from WANTING to PvP would only be good for the game as a whole. More opponents and allies in PvP matches, and more experiences from players who have only played the PvE game. If more people start playing both PvE and PvP, I think that everyone wins. That's just my opinion though.

-Dire/Hearty Pets
-Non-9 stat req gear.
-Variable attribute req. weapons (shields in pve can require tactics or strength)
-Runic Shield (+5 energy shield)
-+5 energy unconditional wands
-Wintergreen Wand (14 damage unconditional)
-A PvE character farms gold if needed to get the above, a pvp can't.
-A PvE characters gets free 30k+ every year to sell to idiots (minipet)

no because I know what skills I will and won't use on a warrior. no sense in unlocking cyclone axe or bonetti's.

great question, did you expect a yes?

Also, there are some items in the game that people own that existed before they were removed, or were the product of a glitch that was quickly resolved.

On the flip side, I would never say that being able to farm for gold is an advantage.

That's incase someone had the balls' to say.. "You can use any of those items on a pvp char duh lololol", in which case, how are you going to get the above items.

-Well the Dire/Hearty thing i totally agree with. And that needs to be resolved by Anet.

But the rest of that....youve got to be kidding me? You're a super l33t pvp-er. I thought you were gonna share some sort of secret that PvE chars could do that PvP chars couldnt. Im very disappointed.

Those are item imbalances that Anet needs to address and removed or disable in PvP. Like the built in IAS Nolani Wand. Or when Lieutenant's Helm was PvE only. Or the 20/20 Enchant% Axe. Or the FFS. Or when +5 energy was for PvE only. Or the 20/20 pre-nerf Rockmolder.

Its only a matter of time before Anet gets to these, but for the moment, would you really say these are a huge imbalance as compared to those items i listed above?

I got mocked for stating that skins can matter sometimes because your weapon/armor skins used to expose what build what you were using and could be used strategically against you. And in fact a PvP char vs a Prophecies only character would have skin advantage of hiding their stats.

-farming and money is irrelevant in PvP...

I completely agree that these are things a PvE character has advantage over a PvP character, but it is not enough to overcome the current flexibility and immediate skill pool of a PvP character. Youre also talking about very very high cost items, so not your standard pver who pvps would have access to them anyway (req 7 15^50 equips)

^ Not to mention, stats for weapon don't matter. A 7 Req. Sword does not do more damage than a Req. 9.

An item imbalance is an imbalance and shouldn't be there, regardless of how big or how little the difference is.

okay. well a prophecies only character chose to suck by not getting all 3 campaigns.. the armor is an addition to the suckiness.

that immediate skill pool had to be obtained somehow.

Why do people imagine that pvp characters, right out of the box are this godly insta-create characters? it takes work to get items in pvp y'know. And when you aren't high ranked in GvG, it takes a hell of a long time.

the 7 or less req is mostly an issue with non-weapons such as focuses and shields, but thanks for comin' out.

I agree completely.

But what im arguing is that the smaller imbalance cannot overcome the larger imbalance.

Does that seem reasonable?

Well hypothetically speaking. If two players both only had Prophecies, and one was using a PvE char, with stat-specific armor VS a pvp char, with non-stat specific armor, I believe that Pvp char would have a slight advantage in knowing what the exact specs of his opponent's armor is. Would you agree?


Oh are you kidding. Its hell. My second account is taking forever to UAX. Im PvPing to unlock, and transfering tomes from my first account to get my baby characters hooked up.

Nobody is denying that UAX via PvP only takes a LONG time. But doesn't getting a PvE char ready to PvP take a long time as well?

The arguement is that its way way more worth it to UAX via PVP if youre gonna pvp vs UAXing only a few professions who cant change primaries with a PVE character.

14 damage wand shots vs 3-5. No it doesn't.

I just thought of something while in the bathroom that nullify's your point.

The Prophecies PvE char has the option to make his character look like a pvp char. If he chooses to wave that right (15k armor, non-gladius skins, non-pvp-dye colors) then it is his own fault, and there's no imbalance.

There is no imbalance, because the option is there, and it is just as viable in PvP.

Perhaps you and I should make a thread to have said item remove then?


First: TMI ;P lol.

Second. Hmnn...ill have to think about that.

Thats not a bad Idea.

What about giving PvE characters acess to the pvp weapon and armor creation screen? SInce a "vampric pvp gladius of fortitude" cant be used in PvE, nobody is hurt, and we dont get inequities like "rewards that only benefit your pvp characters."

I think that would help too.

PvP characters are now better in PvE than PvE characters?

I can't think of any pro for PvP for this but for PvE if you PvP with it mean that you can get off The Battle Islands.I hate hanging around The Battle Islands the language is bad and the attidudes it like most of them are 13.When you are in LA,Kamaden or KC it is nothing but trade talk and waiting for runs and needing help with this and that not the trash talk you get at The Battle Islands.

Yes maybe they should make a PvE HoH where it originally was at the Tomps a lot like AB and more PvE arenas like Ascalon,Yaks,Sing Jea and Kamaden.It would be nice to see a LA,HoD and Droks the reason is so you can PvP with your PvE char and be on even keel with other PvE players.i would even move the armour to the LA arena that is in Droks.The rewards for this would be different type of faction or earning points that could be used to aquire 15k armour on that char only.

Then agian I see a lot of Guilds in gvg that only use PvE char I pretty sure they are Korean or Taiwan maybe some European.I never see any American guilds.The guilds i saw are War Machine and Evil.

Hmm. 2 damage isn't really a big deal. the +60 hp is awesome though.
The gear is the biggest thing. I can invest 30 points for a shield in PvE, while PvP characters must invest 50 points for a shield.
Same as above.
not a huge biggie. tis req 6, and not max.
Wand doesn't have other great mods. + attack speed it really odd though.
Eh? Wintergreen weapons arn't really usefull on casters.
Because PvP doesn't need gold. (Well, you can get runes from traders.)
30k once a year isn't much.

And what if you needed to use Bonetti's defense? (Not that you ever would, because that skill sucks ass on a skill using warrior.)

I found lots of use in having an energy hiding 1h weapon that deals 14 damage.

Wintergreen Spear
10-10
15% -5e
+20%

Where normally.. an energy hiding swap on a monk would deal 3-5 or whatever it is.

3-5 vs 14-14 hmm


7 pve chars, starts to pile up.

go outside kill some shit for half and hour and buy it? or do the skill quest in noob area in prophecies?

Wow, just wow.

PVP is the better here. Anyone who doesn't understand that is a green farmer,lol.

Didn't you know?

PvP characters are the new Meta in PvE!

P.S. Lyra,QQ MOAR!

Being able to farm is pretty valuable when you need to buy sigils to PvP.

Yes you can farm the hall chest blah blah.

While i do know how haxx the wintergreen weapons are (inscription slot, fully modable, decent damage with no req), i really dont know if its widely distributed enough to be available to every pve-er who wants to pvp.

I think, it would be more accurate to say, that the wintergreen items give advantage not to PvE characters, but rather to players who are savy and saw the potential.


Do people still buy minipets for that much? I dont know if minipets are really a viable source of steady income. (outside of rebuying/reselling)

Tisn't unless you get lucky.

But all in all, PvP characters are slightly superior, as in they can make and re-make armor to their *insert size here* hearts desire.

why was the increased attack rate removed from the fire wand at the collector outside of Nolani Academy ? it wasn't max dmg, if I remember right it was a crap item with ias, how could you abuse it ?

unconditional 5 energy.. with wand range..

as opposed to a spear.. which iirc has a lower arc.

All IAS in the game is through a skill, wether stance or hex (reckless haste), but the Nolani wand was an anomally, since it was IAS built into a weapon, essentially a passive trait.

This was very interesting for warriors, because they would use it to wand targets from a distance and quickly build adrenaline, particularly in those moments in HoH, when the teams are waiting the timer out, and just kinda..."testing" the other teams, not really engaging each other yet.

It sounds like PvE skins for PvP chars will be more work to obtain than PvE skins for PvE chars. This is a goodie for complete PvP freaks, nothing more.

So, stop crying. =P

hey btw weres the official list that states all the pve skins and rewards well be getting on our pvp chars, and you know the armors .....

/wowIthinkpeoplearegettingmoredumbeveryday

Just one thing..if PvE characters could craft PvP weapons and armor in Arenas and such, what point is there to PvP characters at all? If you have the slots, you can just have 10 PvEs..or am I missing something?

Theres still PvP only accounts.

They should seriously eliminate the PvP-only characters and just do what they're planning on GW2 with this GW - create a character and when you take it over to PvP, they are instantly maxxed out, with interchangeable gear (I guess whatever runes/inscriptions and skills you have unlocked) just like PvP characters have. Of course, same for heroes, too. That would be the best balance, and Anet thinks so, too, since they're going to do that with GW2 (except with UAS - which can't be done now because of the online store option).

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none of those are reasons why people bring pve chars to pvp. People use pve toons in pvp because the armor looks good, all other items you can get for all your pvp chars with just 1 guy farming for them, which is what everyone who's not interested in shiny armor does.

except for maybe a very low lvl pet in a very specific build, that would be reason to bring a pve ranger.

What the hell is he on about ?

<SARCASM>Arena Net Doesn't care about pve,

Hardmode is so targeted at PvP players.</SARCASM>

Actually, I like the fact that we'll be able to unlock skins in PvP. I have no preference either way. I was curious if dyes would be unlockable, though. I simply have just never heard it brought up.

Or, here's another theory. You're wrong. There are LOTS of PvPers who have PvE characters simply because they have an advantage of items that you simply cannot get as a PvP character. One of the better examples is the shield that Tommy (was in QQ, now iQ) owns. It is req7 Tactics, +30hp and -3 (while hexed). This is a whole 2 tactics less than a PvP shield, which means that Tommy can spec higher into other attributes, but also due to the req7, can spec 7 in Tactics easily, and get the full 16AL.

They really should allow PvP-only characters to purchase a "lower requirement" upgrade for items, allowing up to two decreases (8 and 7 respectively) in standard PvP equipment. The other factors mentioned in Narcism's post are also things that need to be addressed, most definitely.

That'd be a better reward for AT's, rather than skins. Being able to spend Reward points on items that can only be gotten through PvE, such as low req weapons/shields, and different pets, and items such as the Nolani Wand and such. That's actually a cool idea, nice one arcane

Really?...you are going to take a wand with +5 energy 25% dmg vs char (wand that you get at collector and with not even max dmg)... instead of a +5 energy maartial weapon with Hp mods or 20% enchant... Right... >.>

Or going for a wand with +5 energy permanent and 20 recharge or casting whatever... not that i've seen those drops either...?

+5energy martial weapons > wands. Enough said.

You OBVIOUSLY never played PvP when the Nolani Wand was un-nerfed. It had a 10 or 15% IAS attached to it, as well as 5 energy unconditional. Warriors would equip it in order to gain adrenaline quickly, without having to beat on a target with their primary weapon. It meant that they could charge skills without engaging. This is still true, as you get the +5e and longer range of the wand, so that you can safely build adren. It was never used as a caster weapon...