First off, many people know about this, but also, many people don't. I spent a good amount of time over the weekend doing this for myself, so I thought I'd share my method.
Overview: unlock skills with hero points, then use tomes to put those skills on your character
1. Check this list
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hero_sk...iner_locations
See any skills you might possibly want? Use all those hero points you were piling up across all your characters to unlock them. Personally I've been able to unlock over 150 skills this way. It's a bit misleading calling them hero points, as hero points unlock skills for your account.
2. Now use a regular skill tome for your character (of course, they have to be the same class), and you can use that skill for your toon. Didn't need skill points (these are totally meaningless anyways), but more importantly, didn't cost you 1k.
3. Want an elite without having to cap it? Well it's gonna cost you 3000 Balthazar faction and an elite tome. For PvE'ers like myself, this means either Random Arenas or Alliance Battles. Get that 3k Balth faction, and head to Great Temple of Balthazar. Unlock the skill like you would for PvP. Now use your elite tome, and it's yours to use.
Again, I know I'm not breaking earth-shattering news, but many people haven't figured this out on their own yet.
Bye!
Alternate way to add skills and elites without capping or paying 1k
VitisVinifera
ichigo_panty
What if you don't own the required tomb? You gotta spend 1-1.2k to buy 1 normal tomb and 5-15k to buy an elite tomb.
Zinger314
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2. Now use a regular skill tome for your character (of course, they have to be the same class), and you can use that skill for your toon. Didn't need skill points (these are totally meaningless anyways), but more importantly, didn't cost you 1k.
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While you do agree that this isn't earth-shattering, this is common sense and should be apparent to any player capable of playing Hard Mode.
Yichi
Shouldnt this be in sardelac sanitarium and not in riverside since this is basically a suggestion?
VitisVinifera
I use all the tomes I get from farming, and I get a lot. I used to try trading normals for 1k and elites for whatever which harkens back to the 'wts' grind that we all hate. Now I can use them........this way.
So, I paid nothing for them. And I put in two disclaimers that many of us know this. This thread isn't for people who already knew.
edit: Yichi, I believe Sardelac is for suggestions of things that don't currently exist in-game. I'm not suggesting anything, I'm pointing something out. But if a mod wants to move this, then by all means.
Why do I get the feeling I'm getting flamed.......
So, I paid nothing for them. And I put in two disclaimers that many of us know this. This thread isn't for people who already knew.
edit: Yichi, I believe Sardelac is for suggestions of things that don't currently exist in-game. I'm not suggesting anything, I'm pointing something out. But if a mod wants to move this, then by all means.
Why do I get the feeling I'm getting flamed.......
Cacheelma
I don't have anything to say about the elite skills (other than that it's even more costly and time-consuming than just go out there and cap it yourself).
But for the normal skills, I think you should've mentioned that when you use a character to unlock a skill from a Hero Skill Trainer, that character GETS THE SKILL he unlocks, too. No need for the tome (which....I don't know, farming for tomes or farming for money to buy a skill, which one is faster?).
But for the normal skills, I think you should've mentioned that when you use a character to unlock a skill from a Hero Skill Trainer, that character GETS THE SKILL he unlocks, too. No need for the tome (which....I don't know, farming for tomes or farming for money to buy a skill, which one is faster?).
Narcism
Err.. I thought if you learn the skill through hero skill trainer, it's on your char.
Curse You
Any skill unlocked via a Hero Skill trainer is available to the character who unlocked them (with the appropriate primary and secondary). No need to spend money on a skill tome.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hero_skill_trainer
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hero_skill_trainer
ArTy
I'd rather go cap an elite then spend ~10K to buy a tome (+3k faction). Still much easier to cap then go farm for one too...
But then people might have already known about unlocking the skill before using their new elite tome.
But then people might have already known about unlocking the skill before using their new elite tome.
Darcy
Well, it depends on the location of the elite you would like to have.
Yesterday, I used a ranger tome drop to teach my Canthan ranger Winter (unlocked with my w/r) which meant I didn't have to pay for it again.
Today, I bought an elite ranger tome, unlocked Greater Conflagration with Balth Faction gained randomly over the past year and put that elite on my Canthan Ranger, who has never been to Hell's Precipice and might never get there with a cap sig.
So, while my w/r is my main character and goes everywhere, switching 2nds as needed to cap whatever, I have other characters for which the unlock/tome system works very well.
And the OP is correct; not everyone on this forum knows you can unlock elites with Balth Faction for PvE. The reward NPC window states for PvP only.
Thank you VitisVinifera for posting the information.
Yesterday, I used a ranger tome drop to teach my Canthan ranger Winter (unlocked with my w/r) which meant I didn't have to pay for it again.
Today, I bought an elite ranger tome, unlocked Greater Conflagration with Balth Faction gained randomly over the past year and put that elite on my Canthan Ranger, who has never been to Hell's Precipice and might never get there with a cap sig.
So, while my w/r is my main character and goes everywhere, switching 2nds as needed to cap whatever, I have other characters for which the unlock/tome system works very well.
And the OP is correct; not everyone on this forum knows you can unlock elites with Balth Faction for PvE. The reward NPC window states for PvP only.
Thank you VitisVinifera for posting the information.
ArTy
Yeah I guess some of that late Tyrian elites are tricky to cap for those who aren't Tyrian (likewise for other continents). Even then skills like SOJ in Mineral nobody can be bothered capping for anymore with the introduction of tomes.
For those who didn't know to use Balt faction, thank the OP :P
For those who didn't know to use Balt faction, thank the OP :P
Terra Xin
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Originally Posted by MistressYichi
Shouldnt this be in sardelac sanitarium and not in riverside since this is basically a suggestion?
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Yichi
yeah i kinda misread it thinking he was suggesting an alternate way of aquiring skills. my mistake.
HawkofStorms
The OP is kinda misleading. As somebody else in this thread already pointed out, you ALREADY learn the skill by unlocking it with the hero skill trainers. Granted, with tomes you can have multiple characters learn it.
Spazzer
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
Overview: unlock skills with hero points, then use tomes to put those skills on your character
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When you unlock a skill on your character with hero skill points, your character also learns this skill.
You could always use the Tome on a 2nd pve character, but why would you even have one?
[edit] Looks like I've been beaten a lot.
explodemyheart
I could be wrong, but what I think was meant that you could unlock the skill for your account with any one character for your account, then use a tome on another character to unlock it for that character.
For example, I have a character all the way through Nightfall with an assload of hero skill points. I also have a character from Cantha that hasn't even finished Consulate Docks because I just have absolutely no desire at this point. So I can unlock said skills with my first character for my account, then unlock it for my second character with the tome.
Again, that might not be what they meant, but that's what I logically inferred.
For example, I have a character all the way through Nightfall with an assload of hero skill points. I also have a character from Cantha that hasn't even finished Consulate Docks because I just have absolutely no desire at this point. So I can unlock said skills with my first character for my account, then unlock it for my second character with the tome.
Again, that might not be what they meant, but that's what I logically inferred.
ayame ftw
if i were u i would not use your tomes right now,
i would keep them when GW:EN is released so u can get all the new skills strait away
u can unlock elites form the places that u get to in the begin of the story line…
i would keep them when GW:EN is released so u can get all the new skills strait away
u can unlock elites form the places that u get to in the begin of the story line…
Plague
I didn't use hero skill points for the longest time because of the way everything was worded.
It sounded like your heroes had earned skill points, and that you could allow any of your heroes on your PvE character to use those, without your account having unlocked that skill.
So the idea sounded retarded. Why would I unlock the skill for my heroes when I could go buy the skill on another character and have the skill available to all my heroes on all my characters?
Then I looked up what they did on Guild Wiki and it suddenly made sense.
ANet has a poor way with words sometimes.
It sounded like your heroes had earned skill points, and that you could allow any of your heroes on your PvE character to use those, without your account having unlocked that skill.
So the idea sounded retarded. Why would I unlock the skill for my heroes when I could go buy the skill on another character and have the skill available to all my heroes on all my characters?
Then I looked up what they did on Guild Wiki and it suddenly made sense.
ANet has a poor way with words sometimes.
Hyper.nl
Elite tomes are being sold roughly from 3k to 15k now. Of course prices will drop, but it's still cheaper to buy signets and cap them yourself.
Mournblade
Thank you Vitis (and others in this thread), I totally disregarded hero skills and had no idea that when you unlocked them with your Hero, your character gained the skills also.
It's amazing how may people will poo-poo a helpful suggestion just because THEY think it's painfully obvious. It's not like someone posted, 'hey, if your warrior wields a sword you do more damage!' or anything. If you already knew the answer, thats fantastic - good on you! But do you have to rail against someone who is just trying to be helpful? At the very least you could be civil. 'Thats a bit of obvious information Vitis, but thanks for sharing anyway.'
Sheesh.
It's amazing how may people will poo-poo a helpful suggestion just because THEY think it's painfully obvious. It's not like someone posted, 'hey, if your warrior wields a sword you do more damage!' or anything. If you already knew the answer, thats fantastic - good on you! But do you have to rail against someone who is just trying to be helpful? At the very least you could be civil. 'Thats a bit of obvious information Vitis, but thanks for sharing anyway.'
Sheesh.
countesscorpula
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
1. Check this list
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hero_sk...iner_locations See any skills you might possibly want? Use all those hero points you were piling up across all your characters to unlock them. Personally I've been able to unlock over 150 skills this way. It's a bit misleading calling them hero points, as hero points unlock skills for your account. |
I know it says that it unlocks the skill for your heroes, but it adds them to the character who unlocked them too.
Miss Persephone
I never realised that when you used hero skill points to unlock a skill, you learnt it on that character too, so I've learnt something from this thread. Great suggestion for the balth faction, I've been doing it myself and you can rack up the points pretty quickly. And yes, amazed by how many people just want any excuse to flame. Well not really amazed, it's just kind of sad to see.
lyra_song
Yes. This needs to be more well known.
Hero skill points are FREE SKILLS for your character.
Hero skill points are FREE SKILLS for your character.
capitalist
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And what exactly did you pay for the tome? Nothing? Riiight...
While you do agree that this isn't earth-shattering, this is common sense and should be apparent to any player capable of playing Hard Mode. |
Try and be mildly polite to others on the forum.
@OP thanks for the post.
Priestess Truth
Some temperments and choice of words never cease to amaze me.
Kenagalaz
"I'll answer any question..." my ---
@OP thnx for the link.
@OP thnx for the link.
DFrost
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And what exactly did you pay for the tome? Nothing? Riiight...
While you do agree that this isn't earth-shattering, this is common sense and should be apparent to any player capable of playing Hard Mode. |
To OP: Thanks for the solid advice and good reminder.
VinnyRidira
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
I use all the tomes I get from farming, and I get a lot. I used to try trading normals for 1k and elites for whatever which harkens back to the 'wts' grind that we all hate. Now I can use them........this way.
So, I paid nothing for them. And I put in two disclaimers that many of us know this. This thread isn't for people who already knew. edit: Yichi, I believe Sardelac is for suggestions of things that don't currently exist in-game. I'm not suggesting anything, I'm pointing something out. But if a mod wants to move this, then by all means. Why do I get the feeling I'm getting flamed....... |
Zinger314
I wonder why people always derail threads to insult me. The OP was legitimately unclear about the cost of the tomes. If you want to insult me, do it in an PM, or ask a mod to make an "The Official Zinger314 Insult Topic."
On-topic, why exactly did ArenaNet implement Hero Skill Points anyways? It's way too confusing, considering that there's no good guideline to where the Trainers are...
On-topic, why exactly did ArenaNet implement Hero Skill Points anyways? It's way too confusing, considering that there's no good guideline to where the Trainers are...
lyra_song
Hero Skill Points need to be renamed to:
"Free Skills that become unlocked so your heroes can use it too, even if you dont have that profession as your secondary"
"Free Skills that become unlocked so your heroes can use it too, even if you dont have that profession as your secondary"
undeadgun
thx the OP, i should use up some hero skills points now
Mournblade
Rise above people, rise above! :P
Zinger: good point, considering you and your Hero's share skills anyway. Was it always like that from day 1? I could swear it used to be like a PvP unlock so that only your hero could use the skill and you had to buy it for your character separately.
Zinger: good point, considering you and your Hero's share skills anyway. Was it always like that from day 1? I could swear it used to be like a PvP unlock so that only your hero could use the skill and you had to buy it for your character separately.
wynoski
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You could always use the Tome on a 2nd pve character, but why would you even have one?
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Smile Like Umean It
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Hero Skill Points need to be renamed to:
"Free Skills that become unlocked so your heroes can use it too, even if you dont have that profession as your secondary" |
Zamochit
I wasnt aware that elite skills unlocked in pvp could be unlocked using elite tombs, I thought you could only unlock an elite skill thats is already unlocked via pve on your account....interesting 
CyberNigma
To add to the op's comments in support, another reason to use the tomes with the hero points would be the increase in number of hero points yolu have access to from each character. If each character can only have 33 (wiki) then you can maximize the number of skills across the account by spreading the hero points out and then tome'ing (made that up) them to other characters. Of course I think the real benefit here is to avoid the Skill Point barrier (not having enough when you want a skill, for example). Money-wise (for non-elites) I think it would still be better to sell your tomes and buy the skills (even at 1k) for less than what you made on the tome. I've run into not having enough SP's before and that would definitely have been nice. For all those looking for an argument (lots out there) I said it would be nice, as in a nice alternative, not that it's the only way or the true way to do it... (disclaimer)
Sir Skullcrasher
Simple, don't get elites... = no money wasted! 
lennymon
See I had no idea that the hero skill trainer actually teaches YOU the skill, thought they just unlocked them.
I've been going for all skills known on my ranger since NF came out, that's a lot of money AND a lot of skill points... now in my case I kept running out of skill points before money until HM came onto the scene. Now I have a chance to actually get somewhere this year with the tomes. Course I'm already UAS so that helps, I just farm for the tomes of one profession untill Mr Green is all done, then move onto the next. I think only about 110 skills to go total now.
I've been going for all skills known on my ranger since NF came out, that's a lot of money AND a lot of skill points... now in my case I kept running out of skill points before money until HM came onto the scene. Now I have a chance to actually get somewhere this year with the tomes. Course I'm already UAS so that helps, I just farm for the tomes of one profession untill Mr Green is all done, then move onto the next. I think only about 110 skills to go total now.
viper11025
What the mess?
Your telling me that I will have to spend,
3K Faction,2-3K for tome and travel time to get a elite?
LOL
I would rather go get the capture signet, cap the boss, grap the green and RUN!
LOL I'm not ranting or flaming but man thats funny,
Maybe if I was really bored and had no other way to get it I would.
(End of the game elites)
Your telling me that I will have to spend,
3K Faction,2-3K for tome and travel time to get a elite?
LOL
I would rather go get the capture signet, cap the boss, grap the green and RUN!
LOL I'm not ranting or flaming but man thats funny,
Maybe if I was really bored and had no other way to get it I would.
(End of the game elites
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Kenagalaz
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I wonder why people always derail threads to insult me.
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What the mess?
Your telling me that I will have to spend, 3K Faction,2-3K for tome and travel time to get a elite? LOL I would rather go get the capture signet, cap the boss, grap the green and RUN! LOL I'm not ranting or flaming but man thats funny, Maybe if I was really bored and had no other way to get it I would. (End of the game elites ) |
But remember, you can easily get 2k balths faction every 24 hours from the "Zaishin Challenge" . it you select your opponents to be the Illusionary Weapon Me/W you can easily beat them with Henchies (that's right, henchies, not even heros). takes like 5 minutes. I think it's easier to go this route for capping stuff like Feast of Corruption or Earth Shaker.