ok will be 3 weeks now im observing same thing.
people farm lb and ss points in hardmode outside sahladja using a show of force quest.
i did mine long ago when beat nf just as it was out before people even start farm them.
i see 20 people + all time in sahladja doing this runs, but when ask if someone doing it and cud take me no answer...or get called of noob cus dun have quest or be say to stfu..
ok people you think i moan, some another unhappy noob? i play since beta, all caracters past all campaigns and most have maxed titles.so in how im noob askin someoen pick me cus one caracter did quest?
the point is : FOR GOD SAKE ITS A MULTI PLAYER GAME ! if you want play alone with hench go back to d2 single mode play or nwn.i udnerstand some ppl dotn cus afraid of noobs in mission..but here we talk about FARMING..
you/people go farm with 8 hench..ok what it would cost you replace oen of hench by a human for help him?nothing.cept no one care everyone in his lil buisness and play for his own butt.no excuses.
will take a human instead the 8th hench make you win less points?get worse drops?make sick?die?NO.
so for god sake people stop freakin be so egoist and imbued of yourself.its a mmorpg and if anet wanted to people play only with hench they would make it liek that.
stop be egoist people and learn to play.you're not alone in life nor in this world.and if everyone was doing liek that you still would be all crying in any harder mission.
reminder GW=multi*PLAYERRR*....
Water Angel
majoho
Actually you are free to play the game as you want.
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ok people you think i moan, some another unhappy noob? i play since beta, all caracters past all campaigns and most have maxed titles.so in how im noob askin someoen pick me cus one caracter did quest?
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stop be egoist people and learn to play.you're not alone in life nor in this world.and if everyone was doing liek that you still would be all crying in any harder mission.
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People need to stop being so egotistical and learn to play. You're not the only one in the world. If everyone was playing alone then you would be crying in the harder missions where PUG groups may be needed.
That sentence pretty much sums it up for me as he said himself he is "some another unhappy noob"
Water Angel
yes..and if everyone was following same mentality as these people the overcrowded service forum would be empty.no mission completion service,no chest runin, no runners, nothing.how many people would bother then bring all caracters though al lchapters,or do it by themselve?doubt as many would keep play.
look how many ask/asked for services like that( help in hard mission, chests,etc etc etc).what if no one was providing them but only focusing on himself?gg.
look how many ask/asked for services like that( help in hard mission, chests,etc etc etc).what if no one was providing them but only focusing on himself?gg.
shrouded^god
Actually...I spend 75% of my time solo...the other 15% is doing HA with my guild...and 10% doing a little AB.
And on that note 99% of the players think they're better than you, know more than you, have been playing longer than you, etc. I dont want to deal with one of these people in my party just to do a mission...And honestly, when i do the Farm outside Sahladja, I used to bring a long a guildie...which I even stopped doing just for the fact that when i turn to move to the next group...he was still behind. I prefer to move fast when farming anything...and I hate waiting on others...so I have my reasons for not inviting randoms to go farm with me....or actually...to do anything with me.
And on that note 99% of the players think they're better than you, know more than you, have been playing longer than you, etc. I dont want to deal with one of these people in my party just to do a mission...And honestly, when i do the Farm outside Sahladja, I used to bring a long a guildie...which I even stopped doing just for the fact that when i turn to move to the next group...he was still behind. I prefer to move fast when farming anything...and I hate waiting on others...so I have my reasons for not inviting randoms to go farm with me....or actually...to do anything with me.
Brother Andicus
Whilever the masses continue to suck, i'm continue to use henchmen
Water Angel
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Fist of all your grammar and spelling ability is atrocious. Second of all, we have heroes. Therefore, people have the ability to do things alone. If you don't like it get in a guild with people who will do the quests and missions with you. Lastly, please do not make anymore of these "I have no friends to help me do quests so remember this is multiplayer game and you should be forced to take me with you" threads
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but where you seen the *i have no friends for do quests with me?*
if i had quest active i would do it alone and wouldent need help.and i dont need help for do the quest.i just need someoenr with quest active so can do it.did i say i cant do it ?than i need help for complete it or cus im too retarded for farm?
no i can perfectly do it, just need it be active.dont confuse people who cant do somethign cus too noob for it and ask for help and people who cant do it cus other reasons liek a already done quest.
good instance : a easy mission, you know how to do but for instance have pre searing armor and 2 spells on bar.does it make you a noob?you know how complete it, know what to do but will neva be able complete it with 0 armor and 2 skills.its the same here.dont confuse.
and shrouded : if you see someone with r10 spear marshal rank 7 lighbringer asking for group don tell me you afraid he gonna retard you or else...r1-r0 askin for it r10 r7 not the same mate..dont you think.
Hyper.nl
The best thing of GuildWars is that you can actually decide yourself if you want to do it in singleplayer or multiplayer. For many including me it's nice to do a lot in single player where you don't have to worry about having a popular build, hurry up, leavers and where you also are able to take your time to do some things that just would annoy others. (Exploring, farming, cartographing etc)
Even for the (mostly) single player gamer it's nice to have a guild, chat and sometimes do some things together. These are things you won't find in games like Doom.
Even for the (mostly) single player gamer it's nice to have a guild, chat and sometimes do some things together. These are things you won't find in games like Doom.
Water Angel
yes hyper i agree.many leavers, afkers, leechers, make doubt people of the pug.but people cant generalise.
but liek you said you enjoy talk in guild chat,friends etc.
so dun tell me people you prefer spend 6 hours farmin with hench and no one for say a word than at last one human.
and if the person is higer rank than you are yourself say u afraid he noob is ironic and be fake to the bits
but liek you said you enjoy talk in guild chat,friends etc.
so dun tell me people you prefer spend 6 hours farmin with hench and no one for say a word than at last one human.
and if the person is higer rank than you are yourself say u afraid he noob is ironic and be fake to the bits
LONGA
I dobut people will be good enough for questing/farming since too many factors to deal with.One might just want to finish the quest,other might want to capt the boss along the way,looking for chest,etc.
From the last month I play misson with PUG I have seen 2 people AFK for very long without a reason untill the misson almost finish and they are back saying that thier dog bite theor leg, cat jumping on thier mouse.
Most misson usually around 10-20 minutes. 10 minutes when the team go wrong was enough frustation for most people.Which include me.
From the last month I play misson with PUG I have seen 2 people AFK for very long without a reason untill the misson almost finish and they are back saying that thier dog bite theor leg, cat jumping on thier mouse.
Most misson usually around 10-20 minutes. 10 minutes when the team go wrong was enough frustation for most people.Which include me.
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Fist of all your grammar and spelling ability is atrocious.
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On Topic: I'll admit I usually prefer to play with close friends or heroes/hench but occaisionally I do get the urge to play with a PuG. Sometimes they're not all bad and the few spectacularly good ones you can get into make it well worth doing sometimes. If I'm in a more adventurous mood I'll get in a really bad looking PuG for an awkward mission just to see how things pan out. Team Chat can get pretty funny.
Havoc of PhoeniX
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Fist of all your grammar and spelling ability is atrocious.
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Wtf Its A Monk
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but where you seen the *i have no friends for do quests with me?*
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Etta
I play this game muti-player most of the time, with my girlfriend and other guildies. If we can't get a full human team, we just fill the empty slot with heroes. But sometime I rather go by myself with AI when I want things done fast.
PUGS will always let me down most of the time. I can understand why you're angry but you can't really force other to play it your way. Try joining a good pve guild, there are lot of PVE EU guilds out there. As for your english, don't worry about it. You english is way better than my french.
PUGS will always let me down most of the time. I can understand why you're angry but you can't really force other to play it your way. Try joining a good pve guild, there are lot of PVE EU guilds out there. As for your english, don't worry about it. You english is way better than my french.
Corinthian
I'd rather not see an elemental sword drop to a henchman than see an elemental sword drop to a player. It just twists my heart so badly. Thus I play only with heroes and henchies.
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and shrouded : if you see someone with r10 spear marshal rank 7 lighbringer asking for group don tell me you afraid he gonna retard you or else...r1-r0 askin for it r10 r7 not the same mate..dont you think.
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it is eactly same thing, higher epeen number does not really make you look better, you could have afked LB title when exploit was avaiable, and you are now unable to afk it and are culeless about actually getting it throught gameplay (best way to get LB points is trapping in hard mode doa, btw).
r1-0 asking for it is actually better as that player is usually looking for fast way to get lightbringer skills, so helping that guy is investment in quality of pugs. helping r7 is pointless, he does not really need it.
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will take a human instead the 8th hench make you win less points?get worse drops?make sick?die?NO.
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Human is complication, he will agrue about best path, will go too slow or too fast, will not focus fire, will take time ot pick drops or open chests and thus lag behing, will take time to sell stuff at merch, etc, etc, etc.
All this translates to slower runs and less sunspear points per hour.
yuu also hinder other human - you gotta take break, want to answer im, etc etc ... slowing run for other people unnecesarily.
Div
Can't never trust pugs. One bad player and it'll mess up the entire group. When doing easy farming trips like that, it's just not worth the risk in taking someone who doesn't know what they're doing to slow them down. It's a shame, but that's reality. You're not his guildie, not his friend, so why should he spend his time helping you?
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If you were annoyed that you couldnt find a MISSION or QUEST pug then I might have some sympathy for you. But you seem more bothered that your unable find a farming team or someone to run you somewhere.
Hm..... oh yes, I dont care!
People can play this game how-ever they want. People are under no obligation to play with humans at all. You have NO right to complain if a farming team doesnt want to invite you.
They might have their reasons. They might have a perfectly formed farming team, which they have specificly designed for that area.
The only time you have a right to complain is if someone invites you to a PUG and then kicks you for no reason, or if a player is rude to you.
Otherwise, your thread is completely unfounded. You cant complain just because someone does want you in their team. Are you scared to use henches or heroes?
Roshi_ikkyu
Guess what I play 95% of my GW time SOLO!
Yeah take it, you know you want it! And I'm gonna share a secret with you.
After reading this thread I'm going to spend 95% of my GW time SOLO farming! Yep and not even stuff that sells, I'm gonna farm charr carvings!
Yeah take it, you know you want it! And I'm gonna share a secret with you.
After reading this thread I'm going to spend 95% of my GW time SOLO farming! Yep and not even stuff that sells, I'm gonna farm charr carvings!
Commander Ryker
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Fist of all your grammar and spelling ability is atrocious.
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Next time, look to see where someone is from before you condem their spelling and grammer.
Westofeden
Like WTF Its A Monk said most people have guilds that they do this kind of stuff with. The people who don't have guilds to help hero and hench it. I can't really blame the people I never really get in PUGs anymore if a guild member can't help I'll just hench it. Its better than dealing with incompetent people who for some reason think they are leading the party (this is usualy the type of group I get the one with 4 people who think their leading)
Either way your talking about one farming spot like that is the only place to farm LB points. Got to the gate of secrets and farm outside of there go into the Mirror of Lyss and farm then there.
Either way your talking about one farming spot like that is the only place to farm LB points. Got to the gate of secrets and farm outside of there go into the Mirror of Lyss and farm then there.
Racthoh
Having just one other person means you have to wait for them to load, wait for them to type /resign when you're done and need to start over, or they might go AFK so you have to wait... etc. People do the grinding tasks because they're quick ways to get a task done alone, adding humans to the equation just slows it down.
Wtf Its A Monk
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First of all, he's from France so I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that English is not his first language. Considering that, I'd say that he did very well, better then a lot of the posters who are American. How well do you speak/write french?
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Amon Warrior
Forums are a good place for any number of reasons, including grievances. But let me tell you about why I appreciate having heroes and henchies as a gameplay option.
Being connected to European servers (my home turf) while playing in China (because of my work) can be a whole 'lag' of pain. You can forget about PVP; and when in peak time, you can forget about playing with other players.
Other times I might find myself with very scarce options go get a human team simply because nearly everyone's asleep in that part of the world.
So, maybe you're right about the fact that you have limited options when getting other players to play with you. I actually have the same problem, although for other reasons - and that is something that could use some improvement.
But why do you choose to put everyone in the same bag? Am I an egotist when I choose to play with AI? Is everyone else too?
When people start a thead and prefer flaming to objectivity, two things will most definitely happen:
1) people will pay more attention to the ranting than the message you were trying to convey.
2) It's an open invitation for more flaming.
This is even more unfortunate if a poster had actually a valid point in the middle of all the debris...
Being connected to European servers (my home turf) while playing in China (because of my work) can be a whole 'lag' of pain. You can forget about PVP; and when in peak time, you can forget about playing with other players.
Other times I might find myself with very scarce options go get a human team simply because nearly everyone's asleep in that part of the world.
So, maybe you're right about the fact that you have limited options when getting other players to play with you. I actually have the same problem, although for other reasons - and that is something that could use some improvement.
But why do you choose to put everyone in the same bag? Am I an egotist when I choose to play with AI? Is everyone else too?
When people start a thead and prefer flaming to objectivity, two things will most definitely happen:
1) people will pay more attention to the ranting than the message you were trying to convey.
2) It's an open invitation for more flaming.
This is even more unfortunate if a poster had actually a valid point in the middle of all the debris...
Aera Lure
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YES. Human is complication, he will agrue about best path, will go too slow or too fast, will not focus fire, will take time ot pick drops or open chests and thus lag behing, will take time to sell stuff at merch, etc, etc, etc. All this translates to slower runs and less sunspear points per hour. yuu also hinder other human - you gotta take break, want to answer im, etc etc ... slowing run for other people unnecesarily. |
PUGs can be fun. I really enjoy them. Quality of play is highly variable, but sometimes its not lack player skill that causes a failure, its just disagreement and lack of organization. Other times sure, its people playing that are very new, dont listen, etc. Still other times i have priceless random groups that hit it off so well we stay together a few missions and have a grand old time - this is why, quite frankly, I still do PUGs. Just cant see going through that hit or miss process for a while to try and find an efficient farming group - time lost I could have spent - farming.
Spazzer
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It's just easier to point the henchmen at a gigantic swarm of enemies and then get up and do something.
Come back to the game later, point them at another swarm, walk off to do soemthing else.
Most people doing the LB/SS point farming there are not actually playing much when they leave the outpost, and so you would kind of be a burden to this tactic.
It's just easier to point the henchmen at a gigantic swarm of enemies and then get up and do something.
Come back to the game later, point them at another swarm, walk off to do soemthing else.
Most people doing the LB/SS point farming there are not actually playing much when they leave the outpost, and so you would kind of be a burden to this tactic.
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i will add that high school teachers i have kept in touch with and recently met friends for the most part would be wishing they could hold his post up and say she/he wished that the rest of the class could do as well.
when i can do half as well myself................i will realize that i have a long way to go just to catch up.
and i hero/hench 100 per cent as i never know when RL will say stop and hanging friends out to dry is not right IMO
Water Angel
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They might have their reasons. They might have a perfectly formed farming team, which they have specificly designed for that area.
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1-perfect formed team? you mean 8 random picked hench?read better next time.i dont complain about a human perfect team for specific farmin.just a guy with 8 hench for who it would be no difference.
2- are you idiot to the point you dont understand what i said? it's not a matter of if i can do it with hench or hero.just of acces to it.already said and re said. IF I HAD acces to the quest i would be perfctly able do it even naked with a level 1. so no matter of if can or cannot hench it.just acces to it.
and yes i can complain about if you have a game made with the idea players play together and no one neva do it.as it go against the core idea of multiplayer games.
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Having just one other person means you have to wait for them to load, wait for them to type /resign when you're done and need to start over, or they might go AFK so you have to wait... etc. People do the grinding tasks because they're quick ways to get a task done alone, adding humans to the equation just slows it down.
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To OP: The problem is you can farm SS/LB points yourself. Just go outside in Hard Mode and talk to the priests for the blessings. You dont need any specific quest to farm SS/LB points. You dont even need to think about your hero skills since you will be riding in wurms. Just go around and kill stuff.
I go solo 98% of the time because I can get up and leave my chair when I feel like it.
I go solo 98% of the time because I can get up and leave my chair when I feel like it.
Sir Skullcrasher
I do whatever I want and that is the attitude on 99.9% of peoples on GW. So yeah, peoples feel like going solo farming.. they'll do it! Or want to grab a group of henchies and heroes, sure they can do that. But teaming up with others to do quests and missions not that likely.
applejacks
Holy attitude Batman. I guess maybe English is not his first language, or maybe he is dyslexic? Who knows? I don’t know him personally so I won’t judge him. All in all, very judgmental. Let me try to rearrange one of your paragraphs with less attitude. You wrote:
How about:
Well, we do have heroes now. People have the ability to do things alone, better than previously. I see that you are upset about this, perhaps if you joined a guild with people who will do the quests and missions with you? Lastly, I will promise not to respond to threads with such an aggressive insulting tone, so long as you no longer post threads about you having no one in the game to help you do these quests. Deal?
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Well, we do have heroes now. People have the ability to do things alone, better than previously. I see that you are upset about this, perhaps if you joined a guild with people who will do the quests and missions with you? Lastly, I will promise not to respond to threads with such an aggressive insulting tone, so long as you no longer post threads about you having no one in the game to help you do these quests. Deal?
talzek
Alright man, from one MEEPer to an old one, I see your point. Sure, it wouldn't hurt most people to invite you along on a farming run because you don't have the quest.
However, they really don't have to. Some people don't like other people around.
I would agree with you 100%, but only on one condition: Is this the ONLY way to farm LB or SS points? No it isn't. The other ways may be a little slower, but they're there. As such, you'd probably earn a few more points if you just started there as opposed to looking for a party with people who aren't going to invite you anyway.
That said, good luck with the titles
However, they really don't have to. Some people don't like other people around.
I would agree with you 100%, but only on one condition: Is this the ONLY way to farm LB or SS points? No it isn't. The other ways may be a little slower, but they're there. As such, you'd probably earn a few more points if you just started there as opposed to looking for a party with people who aren't going to invite you anyway.
That said, good luck with the titles
Sir Skullcrasher
I don't like it when peoples forces or demands us (community) to do something for them. Stop being so selfish? 
Ouchie
Most of the time if someone asks me to go somewhere in HM, I will go with them (provided I am not in the middle of something with a real life party then I offer to go when I am done time permitting), however most of the whispers I get are for Tombs or Urgoz, unless it's a guild/alliance member. I don't put out a LFG message when I go alone because I usually don't want to wait to get going
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So for God's sake, people, stop freakin' being so egotistical and full of yourself. It's a MMORPG, and if ANet wanted people to play with only henchmen, then they would have made it like that.
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... and if everyone was following same mentality as these people, the overcrowded service forum would be empty. No mission completion service, no chest running, no runners, nothing. How many people would bother to bring all caracters though all chapters, then, or do it by themselve? I doubt as many would keep playing.
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if ANet wanted people to play with only henchmen, then they would have made it like that.
Um... they did. Ever since Prophecies, there have been people who have finished the entire game with only henchmen. ANet -did- make it for people to go solo if they wanted to. They also made it so that groups could play together if they wanted.
ANet has allowed both kinds of people--solo and group--to play as they like. This is known as "freedom", and in most modern countries is considered a good thing.
... and if everyone was following same mentality as these people...
But they're not. Some people want to play alone; but others like grouping, and I know some people who do nothing in Guild Wars BUT ask if people in the alliance need help. It's fine to believe that some solo people should expand their horizons, but it's hardly a sin for them to play alone. And, extending their mindset to everyone else, and proving that it wouldn't make the game fun at all, doesn't really mean anything.
In the short term, there are many people who are willing to help, and it's precisely because of this that our service forum ISN'T empty. Don't give a "gg" after asking "what if everyone only thought about himself!?". That's not the case, and it's pointless to discuss.
Overall, I wish there were more PuGs--or, to be more precise, more intelligent and reasonable people willing to group up (since so often, it's only the poor players who desperately need other humans to lead them).
But, I sincerely think it's selfish of you to bombard them all with your righteous philosophy, implying that solo players are playing the game 'wrong', or that they need to change their style to suit you. If you're really concerned with finding groups and such, why not find (or START!) a guild that tries to encourage the spirit of cooperation. It would require patience and compromise, but surely it would be better than what you've got going on now?
Skuld
Who the hell are you to tell me how I should play my game?
gene terrodon
These threads are many, but all boils down to people playing based on their personality. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the same people who want to play the game alone, sans "noobs and noobettes" are mostly the same people who sit at the lunch table by themselves. The same people that are in the back of the class or at their desk all day, with little to no interaction with others.
People that are social in nature are social in the game.
People who are not, well, they are not.
So you must ask, the most social people, are they holed up in their room, den or office playing a computer game or are they out somewhere, well, being social?
I also am willing to bet that those same social people, when they are playing, have a guild they play with, as the anti-social behavior of the community is not their cup of tea.
Regardless of your avatar, people are people and will play a social game, such as Guild Wars, similar to the way the lead their lives.
People that are social in nature are social in the game.
People who are not, well, they are not.
So you must ask, the most social people, are they holed up in their room, den or office playing a computer game or are they out somewhere, well, being social?
I also am willing to bet that those same social people, when they are playing, have a guild they play with, as the anti-social behavior of the community is not their cup of tea.
Regardless of your avatar, people are people and will play a social game, such as Guild Wars, similar to the way the lead their lives.
Sir Skullcrasher
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Ouchie
You probably could consider making a thread for "forming a group" - when - where - what district to meet in - what mission or Quest to do - farming could be all day forming groups. Choose a normally empty district to form teams out of and go from there - if it works do it again the next week - even cahnge the location sometimes.