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Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

22 May 2007 at 08:56 - 1

...Big Deal! can't a Monk Res them? Surely if you can bring people back from the dead after they've been hacked with an axe, shot with poision, lit on fire, bludgeoned with a hammer, slashed with a dagger, sliced by a scythe, and after all that the body is used to make a flesh golom (and all of this happening in one instance

); wouldn't resurecting someone from death from old age be simple? And would following that, why would people get old?

I don't want to start a thread about why we can't bring our characters into GW2; I'm just interested in seeing what other people think "Death" in the game is. I.E.; what happens when you run out of health points?

Personally, I'm thinking you just fall unconcious and are about to die unless you receive medical attention.

P.S. Sorry if this is in the wrong place, it seemed the most apprpriate.

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

22 May 2007 at 13:26 - 2

That wouldn't explain total party wipe - who gives medical attention in those situations?

The rez system is a metagaming concept, and it doesn't mesh well with the storyline at all. It's just there to insure that the game doesn't become impossibly hard. Now, having said that... Apparently you and your hero's/henchies are favored by the gods, who grant you the use of the rez shrines and spells while you carry out their will. The 'regular' inhabitants of Tyria don't have that luxury.

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

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Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

R/

22 May 2007 at 13:28 - 3

You could also ask why couldnt anyone Res Rurik or Togo or the emperor Shiro killed?
Or how Dead people can tell everyone there dead via pinging there own health bar.

I typed out a nice idea about the spirit not leaving the body yet and then it dawned on me. The answer is simple - Envoys.

The Envoys take the spirits to the afterlife and the person is no longer res-able. We as the chosen champions of Tryia are strong willed and the Envoys never have the chance to take our souls since we are ressed too fast for them to arrive or because they know we are the chosen ones and so we are special and they leave us alone for one reason or another. I would say the envoys remove the soul from the body(or this happens automatically) and then transport it away.

In times where we are autoressed by the Shrines i would guess the Spirit from the body is drawn there by the gods where they teleport and restore the body and soul as one.

We are the chosen ones, the ones the Gods Favor, the greatest Heroes of all time. (until Gw2 atleast)

Every time i lag

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Murder Death Sadists Of Doom [MDSD]

E/Me

22 May 2007 at 14:58 - 4

aslong i got my armor and weaps at gw 2 lol

Pericles

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

[GoD]

R/

22 May 2007 at 15:18 - 5

As previously said, i think that 'rezzing' is only in the game to make life easier and give people who die at least another chance so they don't get frustrated.
Also if monks can 'heal' people by using magic , it makes sense that they can use that magic to ressurec people.

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

22 May 2007 at 15:21 - 6

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Originally Posted by Every time i lag

aslong i got my armor and weaps at gw 2 lol

What armor and weapon? Your fow armor and whatever you're using as a weapon? No such luck I'm afraid, none of those items will be there in GW2. None tranferable you see. Those stuff in Hall of Monument will be completely different things all together.

Harvey

Frost Gate Guardian

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22 May 2007 at 15:35 - 7

why would you want to keep your old armour and weapons in gw2? as far as i've read, the level cap is much higher, so the whole combat system would be different, so your max weapons and armour may actually be only starter items in gw2.

the only thing that i would like to carry over to gw2 would be all the gold i've got in storage, but i doubt that would happen, as this would be unfair to new players who just started playing gw2 (not played gw1).

Perkunas

Jungle Guide

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In my own little world, looking at yours

Only Us[NotU]

E/

22 May 2007 at 16:31 - 8

GW2 is staged way into the future from GW1. Why would you want to use antiquated armor and weapons? In 100/200 years, wouldn't it seem logical that the old things will be improved upon? Or is everyone thinking that the only thing changing is time?

-My "Searing Flames" and heros with their minnions, Barrage, and Sever Artery, are going to knock down those castle walls and vanquish every foe inside those walls.-

If that can happen, it is not a 'new' game, but only an expansion pack.

Giga Strike

Wilds Pathfinder

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stranded in vabbi this time

None [N/A]

22 May 2007 at 16:35 - 9

a person who dies of natural causes cant be ressurected because their body is worn out and can no longer support life.

Shuuda

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Me/

22 May 2007 at 17:40 - 10

Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't it only the chosen who can be ressed in lore terms?

Government Flu

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Paradoxa Zoloft Asylum [PXZ]

W/R

22 May 2007 at 19:40 - 11

Everyone is strapped to a giant volcano and feeding the Lich magical energy after he imprisoned the world and put everyone in the Lichtrix.

Sooo...when you die, your mind just reboots so you can keep "playing." Feed the Lich more energy! Ahahahaha!

Scutilla

Wilds Pathfinder

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Tyrian Explorers League

R/P

22 May 2007 at 21:19 - 12

We don't know if our characters will die in some cataclysmic event at the end of GWEN, or survive and die of old age sometime before GW2. In either case, I don't think a rez signet would save you

Like Mournblade said, resurrection isn't really part of the story. If it was, we'd probably have Saul D'Alessio, Prince Rurik, Varesh, Togo, Kehanni, Saidra, the entire Orrian nation, and Dwayna knows who else running around live

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't it only the chosen who can be ressed in lore terms?

Even if you take that into account, there are still some Chosen/Ascended people that could be rezzed but aren't (Master Togo, Vizunah Square: "Ah, Weh no Su, the celestial test. Mhenlo and I know it well."). I think that they just assume that no one can be brought back from the dead for story purposes (other than through necromancy, like with Rurik).

FireFox

Krytan Explorer

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Texas

We Wear Sombreros [文文文], Ugly Ducklings [ugly]

22 May 2007 at 22:06 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scutilla

We don't know if our characters will die in some cataclysmic event at the end of GWEN, or survive and die of old age sometime before GW2. In either case, I don't think a rez signet would save you

Like Mournblade said, resurrection isn't really part of the story. If it was, we'd probably have Saul D'Alessio, Prince Rurik, Varesh, Togo, Kehanni, Saidra, the entire Orrian nation, and Dwayna knows who else running around live

Even if you take that into account, there are still some Chosen/Ascended people that could be rezzed but aren't (Master Togo, Vizunah Square: "Ah, Weh no Su, the celestial test. Mhenlo and I know it well."). I think that they just assume that no one can be brought back from the dead for story purposes (other than through necromancy, like with Rurik).

go read The Battle for Khylo

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

23 May 2007 at 00:05 - 14

All very good points, I apologize that when I first made this post it was very late, and I didn't explain my idea very well. However, what you have all said makes much better sense than anything I have come up with, especially your idea, Sophitia Leafblade

I thought this would be an interesting subject to bring up. I hadn't seen anywhere that only players, henchmen and other chosen people could be resurected, so that's news to me. Though it does make sense in the world of Tyria.

Eldin

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Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

23 May 2007 at 00:06 - 15

We may never no. It's like Warcraft III. If a hero dies in-game, you can revive them. Often if you're fighting an enemy hero (who's a main character, like Uther), especially heroes slain in cutscenes, they can't come back for some reason.

Then again, perhaps you CAN be ressed but in the GW:EN finale you get disintegrated/buried underground/sucked into another dimension. THAT would prevent resurrection, as you cannot select the dead (save for "I'm moving to the ashes of Bob The Slayer).

I originally considered we'd live a peaceful life (after going through more adventures in the never-released chapters 4-10) before having kids, retiring, and dying of old age.

We STILL don't know if there will be a "we all die" cinematic. It wouldn't make sense if your monk just died 5 minutes ago and now you're farming. Of course, it also doesn't make much sense if you just witness Rurik being axed, then heading back to Nolani when he lives, then to Hell's when he's suddenly undead, then back to The Frost Gate to see himself die again.

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

23 May 2007 at 17:31 - 16

Ressurrection has been in the story a few times. First being what FireFox said The Battle For Khylo - the story of the battle between Ascalons Chosen and the Zealots of the Shiverpeaks. Devonas father Mordakai is brought back by a fellow monk during the battle. The next time he dies there is nobody around to ressurect him so he actually dies.

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Surrounded, outnumbered ten to one, Mordakai went down on one knee. The world spun before his eyes. His hands, covered in his own blood, slipped from the hilt of his hammer. Then a loud thud echoed through his head as something heavy struck him from behind. In the next moment, the world went silent. Time seemed to stand still, and the big warrior fell backward, unable to hold himself up any longer.

"Mordakai!" From the walkway atop the castle, Burian watched the warrior disappear under the assault of nearly a dozen Zealots of Shiverpeak.

Stepping behind the protection of the crenellations, the monk closed his eyes, lowered his head, and began chanting a prayer to Dwayna. His words were smooth and mellifluous, a sharp contrast to the harsh clangs and screams below. Lifting his hands into the air, Burian finished his prayer.

"Breathe life back into the fallen. The miracle of rebirth…"

A flash of blue-white light surrounded Mordakai, and his body disappeared from the ground.

Mordakai coughed once then opened his eyes.

"You really should be more careful." Burian smiled as he looked down at him.

The second being in Cantha in which 16 heros and Master Togo and Mhenlo are killed by Shiro. The Envoys bring the heros back stating "we give back to you your newly departed spirits". So i would hold it like Sophitia said The Envoys play a big role in it.

Also lets remember that bringing back people like Rurik was out of the question at the time. Rurik was trapped under snow alone when he was killed ,Saidra had marched headfirst into a group of Mursaat and Togo had just been used in a ritual by Shiro. There was not much time to bring them back during these events.

GD Defender

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

A/

23 May 2007 at 18:58 - 17

If you die of old age, you're still old. Even if someone resurrects you, you'll just die again immediately, similar to a 55 with DP. >_>

Of course, that's also ignoring the principles of the Envoys and the Chosen of the Gods and Ascension and all that, which are explained in previous posts.

tivaan stormbringer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

R/N

23 May 2007 at 19:30 - 18

Well since everyone is throwing in their opinion, heres mine.

I dont think GW is going to end after GW:EN....I dont think that the last expansion is going to be GW:EN. The reason I say this is because the fan base will be moving back and forth between the two all the time. When something happens in GW people will go play it same with GW2. I also think that if Anet wants to make real money they will continue to add to GW because this game in the MORPH world is really quite young yet........its not like when GW2 comes out GW is going immediately disappear for shelves.... money can still be made.

And whether people want to say it or not....if another expansion came out for GW after GWEN and we had GW2 out wouldnt you buy it?

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

23 May 2007 at 19:35 - 19

Quote:

Ressurrection has been in the story a few times. First being what FireFox said The Battle For Khylo - the story of the battle between Ascalons Chosen and the Zealots of the Shiverpeaks.

Where is this?? I've never heard of it before and I want to read it!

And what I meant about old age; Let's say you're in a battle, being hacked to peices by some axe wielding bad guy. The Monk in your group casts protective sprit, healing breeze, Etc. and is able to keep you from dying. In terms of the game world, you can imagine the image of someone being hacked with the axe, and their wounds healing almost spontaneously as fast as the enemy can inflict them. That being the case, wouldn't it seem a simple matter for your local monk to be able to rejuvenate your failing kidneys and liver, clean out the cholesterol from your ateries and possibly clear up that blood clot that might come loose and cuase you to have a stroke (The symptoms of getting old)? I know it's more complicated than that, and they are two different things. But, one of the main goals of our current medical science is to stop or cure aging somehow, why would their case be different? and I'd imagine that Magic would make things much easier, as it does with everything else!

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

23 May 2007 at 21:30 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operative 14

Where is this?? I've never heard of it before and I want to read it!

http://www.guildwars.com/theworld/ty...ry/stories.php

You can find many of the lore stories there including the 3 part Battle For Khylo.

We cant be sure our characters even die from old age yet. With the many unpredictable events going on throughout Tyria some event could happen between EotNs ending and the start of GW2. GW2 has to have some base lore and something like a searing could of happened that killed our characters.

Of course our characters cant really die at the end of EotN - think of the outrage and remember we have a 2 year wait till we can begin anew in the new era of Tyria.

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

24 May 2007 at 02:38 - 21

My characters are looking forward to death. They have some pretty freaking powerful friends in high places if you know what I mean... can you say, "Eternal Party?" I knew you could.

greendc27

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Wisconsin

Gaming Continuum [GCon]

R/Mo

24 May 2007 at 03:32 - 22

I really doubt there will be any expansions after GW:EN. With Anet focusing on GW2 they won't have the time nor the resources to develop another full expansion. If anything they will probably make a Sorrow's Furnace/Domain of Anguish type expansion just to try to keep players interested until GW2 comes out.

Operative 14

Forge Runner

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Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

24 May 2007 at 08:25 - 23

Thank you for the link, I hadn't even gone into that section of the GW website.

And yeah, I personally picture my characters going out in a blaze of glory. Old age is so.. boring. :P

Iuris

Forge Runner

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Crazy ducks from the Forest

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24 May 2007 at 08:29 - 24

The problems of Resurrection are not unique to GW. Wherever you have a method of resurrecting the dead, you eventually get to the question of "Why does anyone die at all, then?".

Most commonly, the response is that all resurrection abilities are granted by divine beings, who are not bound to resurrect someone. Essentially, the priest asks his divine supporter to resurrect someone.

If this is a mighty hero during a battle for a cause the divine supports, the divine of course grants the request. For an "unworthy", the request is not granted.

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

24 May 2007 at 09:52 - 25

Ha! my main character will never burn out or just fade away. At the final battle when all seem lost, the wammos are broken and defeated, the eles are tab out of their energies, the monks and necros have nothing left but 5 energy. My character would step in, say something heroic then kill the boss (ninja style) then say some more heroic stuff, get off with Gwen (if she'd 18 or above). And move in to that floating castle near fishermen's haven.

200 years later, and he'll still be around to give out his advice to the new heroes of his bloodline, Obi One Kenobi style.

Giga Strike

Wilds Pathfinder

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None [N/A]

24 May 2007 at 15:09 - 26

my monk's going out with the biggest freakin' symbol of wrath you've ever seen.

GD Defender

Frost Gate Guardian

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A/

24 May 2007 at 16:10 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operative 14

And what I meant about old age; Let's say you're in a battle, being hacked to peices by some axe wielding bad guy. The Monk in your group casts protective sprit, healing breeze, Etc. and is able to keep you from dying. In terms of the game world, you can imagine the image of someone being hacked with the axe, and their wounds healing almost spontaneously as fast as the enemy can inflict them. That being the case, wouldn't it seem a simple matter for your local monk to be able to rejuvenate your failing kidneys and liver, clean out the cholesterol from your ateries and possibly clear up that blood clot that might come loose and cuase you to have a stroke (The symptoms of getting old)? I know it's more complicated than that, and they are two different things. But, one of the main goals of our current medical science is to stop or cure aging somehow, why would their case be different? and I'd imagine that Magic would make things much easier, as it does with everything else!

Sure, but, like a minion, your health degeneration is eventually going to reach into levels that a Monk can't support. Unless the gods, or specifically Dwayna or Grenth, see it fit to keep you alive, you're not going to be there forever. To stay alive for any significant period longer than normal, you'd have to have a team of Monks devoted completely to maintaining your lifeforce.

Then again, this is all semantics and lore and speculation, so I guess anything is possible with enough power. Anet is the only one who can say yes or no to artificial immortality, and we can safely assume they've said no until we see Koss with a team of Norns taking down frost wurms.

Pick Me

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THE CANUCK MONKS (TCM)

W/R

24 May 2007 at 17:41 - 28

This is interesting...

Okay, we can say that as the "chosen" we can be resurrected because we were prophecized to full fill the prophecy. We do it because the 5 gods want Abadon to stay banished and they don't really have the time to train newbs since we, the chosen, are already well on our way to doing the task. So once the gods have no more use for us, it is time to go to the Mist.

One can also speculate that you can rez a dead character, but what happens when you try to rez a character that is suffering from permanent health degen? The character dies repeatedly. I also find it hard to rebirth a 55 who has already died once.

Can anyone explain to me, if your characters goto the hall of monuments or something, can we play our old characters to gain more things (titles, etc.) and then change to see that the monument has changed? If so, it'd be like Hiro going back in time and changing your characters so they look even more impressive.

Government Flu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Paradoxa Zoloft Asylum [PXZ]

W/R

25 May 2007 at 04:00 - 29

Guys, our characters don't die of old age or get married or go onto further unwritten adventures.

They're left on the game servers for GW1.

...They're not living things.

...

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

25 May 2007 at 08:12 - 30

You're no fun!

We're talking about the in game lore associated with Death and what it is in the game...

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

25 May 2007 at 08:34 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Government Flu

Guys, our characters don't die of old age or get married or go onto further unwritten adventures.

They're left on the game servers for GW1.

...They're not living things.

...

-_- Who invited Mr. Dooms into the party?

Yeah I know they're not living things. But I like to give some back story to my character. The time between GW:EN and GW2 is pretty long in real life as well as in game. By then I could be buying a bigger house, bigger car, ask my girlfriend to marry me, christ! I might even have kid then.

And when or if I come back to GW2, it'll be nice to see a new generation of heros, who are still green but with a great heritage behind them. And a set of back story of how he comes to be.

Free Runner

Forge Runner

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GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

25 May 2007 at 11:36 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Government Flu

Guys, our characters don't die of old age or get married or go onto further unwritten adventures.

They're left on the game servers for GW1.

...They're not living things.

...

Read up on what a lore forum is before you drop in to state the most obvious.

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

25 May 2007 at 13:58 - 33

Well since in GW2 we play as the offspring of our GW1 characters, we ALL are going to get a life and find a spouse...

...eugh. Even Orion.

It is possible that nobody can be resurrected, and, as you all said, since the Monk calls upon help from the Gods to bring someone back, the Gods would only grant this to the Chosen. But that means that Mordakai is a Chosen, as well as pretty much everyone. Then again, in GW we are treated like we are some of few Chosen, though every human player (and even some NPCs) are Chosen.

Just how rare is it to be a Chosen?

I'm thinking after GW2's released, ANet will write novels to bridge the gap between GW:EN and GW2.

They'd better!

Operative 14

Forge Runner

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Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

27 May 2007 at 02:30 - 34

OOO! NOVELS! what novel idea

Back on topic though-

Thank you all for contributing to this thread, it is very insightful

Good point about the permanant health degeneration; I suppose at some point the characters would really just get to old to be ressurected with any great and lasting success.

borik oakwood

Academy Page

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Jammy Dodgers

R/Me

28 May 2007 at 15:49 - 35

my view is that all the heros who die. i.e. rurik ect die in sarifice. does this have some symbolism to the Gods?

but also the god arent always in charge.

shiro traps spirits. the ele in the canha place for spirits is supposed to have gotten eternal life on her own!

the lich is pretty old ehh. but also all the evils are connected with abbadon so he may have given them these evil resurrecton skills.

so i think that to stop thegreat destroyer or wateva (ultimate evil..) we will sacrifice our life spirits (after having kids with gwen

)

my theory i thank ye .

Eldin

Forge Runner

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America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

29 May 2007 at 01:48 - 36

Borik, I think you may be right.

Perhaps people are always ressable (with some exceptions such as the Bloodstones, yet the NPC Chosen slain there can never be revived and we can - are we Super-Chosen?). It is just that those we know and love (Rurik, Saidra, etc.) who die, as borik said, died in sacrifice. The Gods, either due to the person's great honor in making the sacrifice or simply because it is their choice to die, allow them to die peacefully and respect their wishes - not allowing them to be resurrected (at least not normally - Rurik being brought back in the classic necrotic way is always possible).

judgedread33

Frost Gate Guardian

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Australia, Crikey!

PwnD, plesure wreckin noob donors

E/Me

20 Jun 2007 at 09:51 - 37

i think that we are always ressable but at one point or another grenth decides its our time and we must pass the torch on too a younger generation. a generation where we are all new and everyone has a fair chance at the game... (no players with 1000k+3000ectos stored up)

xshadowwolfx

Krytan Explorer

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California | Ascalon

Mo/

20 Jun 2007 at 22:58 - 38

My Monk will cast the biggest Shield Of Judgment before dying that saves everyone else while making the enemies own final attack obliterate themselves. =D.

draceena

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

23 Jun 2007 at 02:48 - 39

My character looks forward to death if only to become a ghost that can haunt her ancestors and pester them incessently about how much better things were in her day and to sit up straight, comb your hair and brush your teeth.

krypt1200

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

Atomik Fear [aF]

W/E

24 Jun 2007 at 05:58 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by GD Defender

If you die of old age, you're still old. Even if someone resurrects you, you'll just die again immediately, similar to a 55 with DP. >_>

Of course, that's also ignoring the principles of the Envoys and the Chosen of the Gods and Ascension and all that, which are explained in previous posts.

What if they were able to eat a holiday item, such as a cupcake to raise their health for little bit?