So... what about those bow skill changes?
LethalHands
I was just scrolling through the official wiki's upcoming changes page and I went to the near future part to see mesmer skill changes on the way. I may be wrong and this could be mod fodder for all I care, but I seem to remember bow skill changes being right there with mesmer skill changes. I remember when Gaile first spoke of skill changes she mentioned mesmers and ranger bow skills specifically. Did things change? I see everyone constantly reminding the devs about mesmer skill changes, but very little to nothing about these bow skill changes I seem to recall. Are people hoping they forget or something? Did the devs forget? Miscommunication? My memory really bites? What's up with bow skills? Are changes coming?
Amon Warrior
A user from the official wiki removed that reference on May 21st.
This is what the user wrote to inform others of the reason:
"Editor's summary: /* Near future */ According to Gaile Talk no Ranger bow buffs Nur Kleinigkeiten wurden verändert"
I hope this helps
This is what the user wrote to inform others of the reason:
"Editor's summary: /* Near future */ According to Gaile Talk no Ranger bow buffs Nur Kleinigkeiten wurden verändert"
I hope this helps
Zinger314
Gaile said the skill balance, Mesmer updates (which would be little), and the PvE only Sunspear skills would all be in mid-June.
Considering how Hard Mode was barely within ETA (Gaile has said 1 month from 3/20, it came out 4/18), I don't expect it for awhile.
Considering how Hard Mode was barely within ETA (Gaile has said 1 month from 3/20, it came out 4/18), I don't expect it for awhile.
Free Runner
In a summary of a Gaile Chat one of the notible things she said was that the devs had looked at bow skills and felt they did not need to change them until the next balance.
LethalHands
Wow.. that says it all then. I didn't catch that Gaile talk. I'm kind of relieved, no news is good news. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
I do believe the bow needs to be looked at in terms of damage range and +damage in general (there is a reason touchers and thumpers exist you know), but I'm not about to complain about it either. There are some nice "sweet spot" builds you can mete out for yourself, and maybe perhaps a small handful of these needs to be toned down. But a lot more buffs then nerfs need to come for bow rangers in general IMO, or I'm pretty sure rangers will continue to be cornered into builds like thumper or toucher. Though it's a testament to the rangers versatility, because both these niche builds work exceptionally well.
I'd just like to use my primary weapon now and again and be considered a serious threat with it as well. Because right now some pearly clad ninny's showing me up with his fancy throwing stick and I'm not amused. :(
I do believe the bow needs to be looked at in terms of damage range and +damage in general (there is a reason touchers and thumpers exist you know), but I'm not about to complain about it either. There are some nice "sweet spot" builds you can mete out for yourself, and maybe perhaps a small handful of these needs to be toned down. But a lot more buffs then nerfs need to come for bow rangers in general IMO, or I'm pretty sure rangers will continue to be cornered into builds like thumper or toucher. Though it's a testament to the rangers versatility, because both these niche builds work exceptionally well.
I'd just like to use my primary weapon now and again and be considered a serious threat with it as well. Because right now some pearly clad ninny's showing me up with his fancy throwing stick and I'm not amused. :(
Ruby Lightheart
Lethal, ive been a ranger since beta and I can tell you with the utmost confidence that a well versed ranger can take down the Paragon and Derv. I know cuase I have done it numerous times in pvp. Interrupts will seriously hurt a Derv's skill chains and Paragons support chants.
I carry 4 bows around for a variety of situations. Each bow type has its own advantages, disadvantages and range. While my bows are simular i most aspects, their main differences lye in their bow types.
I also use my pet. You would be surprised what a hearty pet with Call of haste on it can do in combat.
Your secondary profession can also lend a huge hand to damage. Slap firey bow string on then use conjure flame then lay down fav winds and you will start doing some awesome damage. Another combo some friends and i found combines the vamp string with conflag to make the damae type fire then conjure flame to increae the damage and fav winds to add a touch more with arrow speed. If this is used with Barrage and Savage or Screaming arrows, it causes nice elemental damage as well as healing from the vamp string. Just be sure to carry a second bow to swtich to when traveling so you dont have the health degen eating you.
If you dont like vamp strings...use my fav build..a modified Barrage/Pet build.
Barrage,Sav Shot, Disruptig Shot, Call of Haste, Comfort Animal, Charm Animal and Rezz. You could drop rezz and bring another pet skill. When used with a Dire or Hearty pet, (mine is a hearty dune lizard) this is a great damage dealing/interrupt hybrid build and works good with all bow types.
Also dont forget you can also use the Poison builds for damage over time . BTW...Posion builds with a vamp bow....mmmmmm nasty
Anyhow, I know you dont wanna hear me preaching more. I just wanted to show you that there are numerous good damage dealing builds out there. Just remember..the ranger is really a damage dealing support class..simular to the paragon but when it comes down to it...the ranger can shut every profession down in this game ...but not every profession can shut a ranger down.
I carry 4 bows around for a variety of situations. Each bow type has its own advantages, disadvantages and range. While my bows are simular i most aspects, their main differences lye in their bow types.
I also use my pet. You would be surprised what a hearty pet with Call of haste on it can do in combat.
Your secondary profession can also lend a huge hand to damage. Slap firey bow string on then use conjure flame then lay down fav winds and you will start doing some awesome damage. Another combo some friends and i found combines the vamp string with conflag to make the damae type fire then conjure flame to increae the damage and fav winds to add a touch more with arrow speed. If this is used with Barrage and Savage or Screaming arrows, it causes nice elemental damage as well as healing from the vamp string. Just be sure to carry a second bow to swtich to when traveling so you dont have the health degen eating you.
If you dont like vamp strings...use my fav build..a modified Barrage/Pet build.
Barrage,Sav Shot, Disruptig Shot, Call of Haste, Comfort Animal, Charm Animal and Rezz. You could drop rezz and bring another pet skill. When used with a Dire or Hearty pet, (mine is a hearty dune lizard) this is a great damage dealing/interrupt hybrid build and works good with all bow types.
Also dont forget you can also use the Poison builds for damage over time . BTW...Posion builds with a vamp bow....mmmmmm nasty
Anyhow, I know you dont wanna hear me preaching more. I just wanted to show you that there are numerous good damage dealing builds out there. Just remember..the ranger is really a damage dealing support class..simular to the paragon but when it comes down to it...the ranger can shut every profession down in this game ...but not every profession can shut a ranger down.
fenix
It'll be interesting to see the imba ranger skills they add. You just know they'll be game-breaking, and people will run Ranger Spike again until they nerf them.
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In a summary of a Gaile Chat one of the notible things she said was that the devs had looked at bow skills and felt they did not need to change them until the next balance.
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Luna Star
Rangers have always been powerful and they still are, rangers are great at conditions and interrupts, there is no need to mess up with them.
Kashrlyyk
At least they should fix Keen Arrow.
Wildi
rangers beeing powerful is news to me, 99% of their skills are single target bow attacks with mediocre damage
Brother Andicus
Rangers already own quite enough without buffing their damage output. I dont think they were ever intended to be out and out dmg machines. Thats why we have warriors.
And NO! Touchers and Thumpers do nothing to show anything about versatility. The only thing they achieve is to highlight how broken expertise is.
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Though it's a testament to the rangers versatility, because both these niche builds work exceptionally well.
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6am3 Fana71c
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The only thing they achieve is to highlight how broken expertise is.
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rangers beeing powerful is news to me, 99% of their skills are single target bow attacks with mediocre damage
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zakaria
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And NO! Touchers and Thumpers do nothing to show anything about versatility. The only thing they achieve is to highlight how broken expertise is.
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-Loki-
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First SR was broken (and they fixed it) now expertise is broken..i wish i can flame you till death but i'll just let you rethink of what you posted...
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Age
What do you mean there is only 4 good elites what about punishing shot?I know how much you like Cripshot but pin down last longer.I don't mind it either but I really like punishing for for all the interrupt line distracting,savage and punishing.
There is only one thing that can shut down a Ranger a Warrior in their face or a good Domination Mesmer.I sometime use a hammer on my Ranger with no pet.
There is only one thing that can shut down a Ranger a Warrior in their face or a good Domination Mesmer.I sometime use a hammer on my Ranger with no pet.
-Loki-
Punishing is a nice damage skill, but as interrupts go, savage shot does the same job without eating your elite slot. If you absolutely must eat your elite slot with an interrupt, I find Magebane nicer, simply for the instant recharge if you interrupt a spell. Pin down is nice, but CripShot goes through everything except blind - well worth the elite slot, and if you are worried about duration, carry a crippling recurve as well as your other bows.
lightblade
point blank shot need to change to +40 damage with 5 energy cost.
makosi
They need to fix interrupt spamming. It isn't skillfull to spam Savage, Distracting and Punishing over and over and over.
Marverick
Give us an Expertise-based IAS that can be kept up constantly at 12+ Expertise. Thumper builds don't run that much so it won't be abused.
Ork Pride
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Originally Posted by makosi
They need to fix interrupt spamming. It isn't skillfull to spam Savage, Distracting and Punishing over and over and over.
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Age
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Originally Posted by makosi
They need to fix interrupt spamming. It isn't skillfull to spam Savage, Distracting and Punishing over and over and over.
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makosi
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Originally Posted by Age
No they don't as this is what I usually run when interrupting.
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trobinson97
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They need to fix interrupt spamming. It isn't skillfull to spam Savage, Distracting and Punishing over and over and over.
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makosi
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Originally Posted by trobinson97
There's nothing to fix there, get owned by an interrupt ranger lately? It's still not equal to Mesmer interrupts.
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Those ranger interrupts are button bashing which happens to interrupt most actions whether the target is actvating skills or not and there are damage bonuses to go with it.
An alternative to changing rangers might be to revert Mantra of Resolve to its old state.
-Loki-
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No they don't as this is what I usually run when interrupting.
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trobinson97
So it's less skillful to combine luck and timing in order to interrupt a skill than it is to continuosly attempt spells when you KNOW an interrupter is in the vicinity?
Anyway, the two most used interrupts are conditional. If you want the damage bonus from Savage, the target must be casting a spell. Distracting only does minimal damage. Magebane only recharges instantly if you interrupted a spell.
Anyway, the two most used interrupts are conditional. If you want the damage bonus from Savage, the target must be casting a spell. Distracting only does minimal damage. Magebane only recharges instantly if you interrupted a spell.
Gaile Gray
According to James Phinney, the designers did take a look at bow skills, but feel that in the analysis, the skills are working very well, and do not require an adjustment. So I believe there is one skill balance involving a bow skill, but there will not be nerfs or buffs to those skills in the upcoming update.
Theus
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According to James Phinney, the designers did take a look at bow skills, but feel that in the analysis, the skills are working very well, and do not require an adjustment. So I believe there is one skill balance involving a bow skill, but there will not be nerfs or buffs to those skills in the upcoming update.
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makosi
Hehe. Gaile said the 'n' word she hates so much. 
-Loki-
Well, I finally lost faith in Arenanets ability to balance this game.
Age
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Let me guess... You use a flatbow as well?
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ShadowsRequiem
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No I don't I forget what I use I played my Ranger in few days but I don't have the best bow collection.I got a flatbow but what would you suggest?
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I laugh when I play crip shot and see retards using flatbows and dodge everything.
imo the intterupts are fine, half of the people that bring them arent very good at using them.... I think half of the players I see arent smart enough to know how to interrupt prot spirit and rof after a monk has been kd.
fenix
Hmm, this next update sounds bad...real bad :S
XvArchonvX
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According to James Phinney, the designers did take a look at bow skills, but feel that in the analysis, the skills are working very well, and do not require an adjustment. So I believe there is one skill balance involving a bow skill, but there will not be nerfs or buffs to those skills in the upcoming update.
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10125394
Dr Strangelove
I dunno, looking through the list, most of them are ok. Splinter shot and the point blank shots could use a buff, and keen arrow needs to be fixed, but everything else has its place.
And yes, I know power shot sucks, but do you really want to play a game where the best bow attack is boring c+space skills like power shot?
And yes, I know power shot sucks, but do you really want to play a game where the best bow attack is boring c+space skills like power shot?
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No I don't I forget what I use I played my Ranger in few days but I don't have the best bow collection.I got a flatbow but what would you suggest?
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DarkGanni
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flatbows are utter crap. only should be used for pulling and nothing else, they'll miss almost everytime if you dont have a target sitting still.
I laugh when I play crip shot and see retards using flatbows and dodge everything. imo the intterupts are fine, half of the people that bring them arent very good at using them.... I think half of the players I see arent smart enough to know how to interrupt prot spirit and rof after a monk has been kd. |
Marth Reynolds
.. You only need 1 interupt most of the time 
, Concussion shot ftw and if you trow in disrupting shot you'll be fine IF you can manage the energy.
(of course it only works against spells, but still.)
Flatbows + read the winds = fastest attacking bow + good accuracy and very long range, what do you want more?
@age only recurves have the best accuracy so if you don't want to be dependant on read the wind or favorable winds try that type.
(of course it only works against spells, but still.)
Flatbows + read the winds = fastest attacking bow + good accuracy and very long range, what do you want more?
@age only recurves have the best accuracy so if you don't want to be dependant on read the wind or favorable winds try that type.
-Loki-
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Aha flatbows crap....well you're actually wrong there, Did you forget about read the wind or favorable winds
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