Ok, I felt like making this petition after finding out that PVP players can also unlock obsidian armor. For me this makes no sense. Elite armors are a reward in PVE for completing the story line and getting far in the game, and luxon/kurzick armors are supposdly a reward for choosing either side in factions. I find it very unfair that PVE players have to invest a lot of time playing and raising gold, and also more money on dyes to be able to obtain their armor, wheras PVP's can now simply unlock any set and dye them repeatedly at will.
I also play PVP and enjoy HA, however I still dont see a valid reason for being able to attain these high end armors without playing PVE.
Anyway, /Signed for removing thse armors as PVP unlocks.
Petition: Please remove 15k elite + Kurzick/luxon armors from PVP
bhavv
rohara
/notsigned
they still have to work for it, and adding a little diversity amongst the look of pvp characters is a GOOD thing.
expensive armor as a status symbol is such ancient history.
they still have to work for it, and adding a little diversity amongst the look of pvp characters is a GOOD thing.
expensive armor as a status symbol is such ancient history.
Dr.Agon
sorry I'm slow on the updates...how easy/hard is it to get these armors unlocked? If its easy or buyable in the store then I agree, but if it requires time and effort then I think it's fine. I looked and its not in the store or on the balthz guy, so I'd assume you unlock them from the tournament or perhaps even HA drops?
/notsigned (perhaps temporarily)
/notsigned (perhaps temporarily)
Cartoonhero
you need reward points to unlock them, and quite a few at that, i cant even imagine the amount of points needed for obsidian armor. point is, we have to work to unlock the armor by doing well in pvp, just like pvers have to work to unlock the armor by doing well in pve. i have a pve monk with obsidian, and im not bothered by the pvp unlocks at all. i make a pvp char for anything thats not monk, and id love to unlock some of the unique weapon skins for them. If i see a pvp char wearing obsidian, ill be impressed, it means that person has spent a LOT of reward points getting that armor. in closing...
/notsigned.
edit: as for the specific sets you mentioned in the petition, im not sure how i see this 'alliegance' argument of yours . i have 15k luxon, and i always play the kurz side, except for when i ABd luxon for jadeite for that armor. Guilds chose a side most of the time now anyhow. my GvG guild is allied to the kurzicks, so why shouldnt the pvp monk i make to play ABs be able to show her alliegance with armor?
/notsigned.
edit: as for the specific sets you mentioned in the petition, im not sure how i see this 'alliegance' argument of yours . i have 15k luxon, and i always play the kurz side, except for when i ABd luxon for jadeite for that armor. Guilds chose a side most of the time now anyhow. my GvG guild is allied to the kurzicks, so why shouldnt the pvp monk i make to play ABs be able to show her alliegance with armor?
aapo
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Originally Posted by bhavv
I find it very unfair that PVE players have to invest a lot of time playing and raising gold, and also more money on dyes to be able to obtain their armor, wheras PVP's can now simply unlock any set and dye them repeatedly at will.
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/notsigned
Etta
/notsigned
Have you seen how many ATS reward points you have to get in order to unlock those high end armors? If pvper want those armors, they have to work as hard as pver counterpart. Not a bad thing really.
Have you seen how many ATS reward points you have to get in order to unlock those high end armors? If pvper want those armors, they have to work as hard as pver counterpart. Not a bad thing really.
jurrit
/notsigned
In order to buy obisidian armor you first need to unlock the basic armor tier. Which costs 50 x 20 Reward Points(RP). After that you can buy the obsidian armor for 200 RP a piece. So in total you need to get 2000 RP to be able to buy a full obsidian armor.
In GvG tourney you get 3 RP per win. In HvH tourney you get 1 RP per win. If you end up in the top 25% you get additional points which range from 60 RP for the number one till 15-20 RP for the other top 25%.
Let's say you do fairly good in HvH tourney and you'll end up top 12 of the 64 players all the time, which will give you 20 RP. You still need to play 200 tourneys to get this armor.
A lot of people that are not so good in PvP will only get a couple of RP per tourney.
Besides that, I rather farm real players in PvP than doing boring PvE and farming the same AI over and over again.
In order to buy obisidian armor you first need to unlock the basic armor tier. Which costs 50 x 20 Reward Points(RP). After that you can buy the obsidian armor for 200 RP a piece. So in total you need to get 2000 RP to be able to buy a full obsidian armor.
In GvG tourney you get 3 RP per win. In HvH tourney you get 1 RP per win. If you end up in the top 25% you get additional points which range from 60 RP for the number one till 15-20 RP for the other top 25%.
Let's say you do fairly good in HvH tourney and you'll end up top 12 of the 64 players all the time, which will give you 20 RP. You still need to play 200 tourneys to get this armor.
A lot of people that are not so good in PvP will only get a couple of RP per tourney.
Besides that, I rather farm real players in PvP than doing boring PvE and farming the same AI over and over again.
ichigo_panty
You have to unlock all the low end amour before you can unlock the mid range amour. After that, you need to unlock all the mid range amour before you can unlock the high end amour.
Any idea how much ATS points you need to get the highest end amour? Average players may never be able to get these pvp-amour as it is too hard for them to earn ATS points. It is just a reward other than gold/silver/bronze cape to those good pvp-ers.
/notsigned
Any idea how much ATS points you need to get the highest end amour? Average players may never be able to get these pvp-amour as it is too hard for them to earn ATS points. It is just a reward other than gold/silver/bronze cape to those good pvp-ers.
/notsigned
jurrit
See my post above.
In PvP armor there is only 2 tiers: basic armor and fancy armor. If you unlocked basic armor (buying 50 pieces), you can buy fancy armor.
So as I explained above: 2000 reward points.
In PvP armor there is only 2 tiers: basic armor and fancy armor. If you unlocked basic armor (buying 50 pieces), you can buy fancy armor.
So as I explained above: 2000 reward points.
Sophitia Leafblade
/not signed,
the divide in the game is too much now between PvP and PvE, let the hard core PvPers have their armour
and make ghostly hero minipets and Crystaline swords drop in PvE (if they dont already)
the divide in the game is too much now between PvP and PvE, let the hard core PvPers have their armour
and make ghostly hero minipets and Crystaline swords drop in PvE (if they dont already)
Yawgmoth
/not signed
even in their current crappy useless form, pvp rewards were a long awaited feature and can't simply get removed.
Better start a petition for making these armors real *unlocks* because now the tournament reward points are as useful as balthazar faction after uax, lol.
even in their current crappy useless form, pvp rewards were a long awaited feature and can't simply get removed.
Better start a petition for making these armors real *unlocks* because now the tournament reward points are as useful as balthazar faction after uax, lol.
Evilsod
/signed, its still a PvE elite armour.
isamu kurosawa
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/not signed,
the divide in the game is too much now between PvP and PvE, let the hard core PvPers have their armour and make ghostly hero minipets and Crystaline swords drop in PvE (if they dont already) |
It's mostly PvE'ers who use those weapons anyway.
-Loki-
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
/signed, its still a PvE elite armour.
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Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by -Loki-
No, its an elite armour. Not a PvE elite armour.
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Its one F***ing game
/not signed with great justice!
bhavv
So how about making Crystalines, Mini Ghostly's and Rank Emotes available through PVE then? I take a quote that sums this issue up entirely for me from another forum:
PvPers should have to PvE if they want PvE rewards, just like PvErs should have to PvP if they want PvP rewards.
So since the armors and weapon skins have been added to PVP and that isnt a problem, it isnt a problem for emotes and mini ghostlys to be made aquirable in PVE correct?
How can so many people say its fine for PVP to PVE's armor, when PVE cannot obtain the rewards PVP'ers get?
Ok, so theres no such thing as PVP emotes and PVE emotes anymore either, therefore emotes should be added to PVE by your own logic.
Elite armor and rare skins were things that were only aquirable via PVE. If a PVP player wants them, they should have to PVE to get them, just as a PVE player that wants a bambi has to play PVP.
PvPers should have to PvE if they want PvE rewards, just like PvErs should have to PvP if they want PvP rewards.
So since the armors and weapon skins have been added to PVP and that isnt a problem, it isnt a problem for emotes and mini ghostlys to be made aquirable in PVE correct?
How can so many people say its fine for PVP to PVE's armor, when PVE cannot obtain the rewards PVP'ers get?
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agreed, theres no such thing as PvE armour and PvP armour...
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Elite armor and rare skins were things that were only aquirable via PVE. If a PVP player wants them, they should have to PVE to get them, just as a PVE player that wants a bambi has to play PVP.
Zexion
/signed for Obsidian armor, perhaps endgame armors (Primeval and Elite Canthan)
/notsigned for any other elite armor
_Zexion
/notsigned for any other elite armor
_Zexion
AJD
Signed, if PvErs need to put in PvE effort to get emotes then PvPers need to put in effort to get PvE rewards.
Glitched
To get Obisidian Armor in PvE:
-Farm your ass off
-Farm some more
-Play the market
-Keep farming
-Purchase all crazy-expensive mats
-Getting the mats takes long enough for a second bullet
-Make your way to the armor crafter in FoW
To get Obsidian Armor in PvP
-Run a gimmick, fotm build
/signed
/signed
/signed
Additional 1.5k (or is it 1k now?) armor is fine for a pvp reward, as well as most weapon skins. 15k armor and Obsidian specifically should NEVER be allowed for use on a pvp'er.
-Farm your ass off
-Farm some more
-Play the market
-Keep farming
-Purchase all crazy-expensive mats
-Getting the mats takes long enough for a second bullet
-Make your way to the armor crafter in FoW
To get Obsidian Armor in PvP
-Run a gimmick, fotm build
/signed
/signed
/signed
Additional 1.5k (or is it 1k now?) armor is fine for a pvp reward, as well as most weapon skins. 15k armor and Obsidian specifically should NEVER be allowed for use on a pvp'er.
lyra_song
/not signed
Keep it. But keep it destructible.
That pretty much makes the PvP character the same as PvE character anyway (stuck in one primary), so that evens out.
*shrug* i still think its stupid though.
PvP content in PvE please. Wheres my Balthazar faction and fame from killing PvE monsters?
Keep it. But keep it destructible.
That pretty much makes the PvP character the same as PvE character anyway (stuck in one primary), so that evens out.
*shrug* i still think its stupid though.
PvP content in PvE please. Wheres my Balthazar faction and fame from killing PvE monsters?
Tarun
/signed - I agree with Evilsod. Either keep it so that PvE elite armors stay as PvE armors, or let all those drops from the HA chests drop in PvE. That includes the Stygian axes, Runic Blades, etc etc.
revelation
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/signed - I agree with Evilsod. Either keep it so that PvE elite armors stay as PvE armors, or let all those drops from the HA chests drop in PvE. That includes the Stygian axes, Runic Blades, etc etc.
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KebabVan
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Originally Posted by Glitched
To get Obisidian Armor in PvE:
-Farm your ass off -Farm some more -Play the market -Keep farming -Purchase all crazy-expensive mats -Getting the mats takes long enough for a second bullet -Make your way to the armor crafter in FoW To get Obsidian Armor in PvP -Run a gimmick, fotm build /signed /signed /signed Additional 1.5k (or is it 1k now?) armor is fine for a pvp reward, as well as most weapon skins. 15k armor and Obsidian specifically should NEVER be allowed for use on a pvp'er. |
The easiest way to get PvP obsidian is getting into a decent guild that runs fotm gimmicks, doing well in the ATs. In effect it is farming but in PvP rather than in PvE. This is easy (compared with getting into a top guild that doesnt run gimmicks), but takes a long long time.
------- So what exactly is the difference? The only difference is in one you farm monsters and the other you farm other players. Both are easy and both take a hell of a long time.
It is as hard to obtain obsidian in PvP than it is in PvE. Its pretty easy to argue its even harder as anyone can solo UW 10 times a day, whereas only a few can get into a guild good enough to do well in ATs, even with a gimmick.
If you think farming ectos is hard then you are kidding yourself, there are builds, guides and even videos to show anyone who plays the game how to do it. I myself learned in about 3 practice runs by posts on this site. It just takes time to get all the ectos you need then all the excess to sell for the 75k + obsidian shards. If you think getting into a guild good enough to enter an AT a day and do well in every one of them, gimmick or not, is as easy as farming UW, then you are kidding yourself.
Playing 1v1 ATs for reward points is more comparable with farming UW, but even that requires playing at certain times and having some skill to be able to beat other human opponents rather than AI which is the same every time you farm. Now assuming the average person with a life wont be able to take part in more than 1 AT per day, that's 200 days of coming in the top 25% of every AT played to buy the obsidian as a previous poster showed.
Conclusion - Gaining obsidian through PvP is far more difficult then through PvE. The time it takes is another matter as it depends on how often you farm / how often you take part in ATs.
Soldat
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Conclusion - Gaining obsidian through PvP is far more difficult then through PvE. The time it takes is another matter as it depends on how often you farm / how often you take part in ATs.
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On another note, to the OP complaining how you can't get rank emotes in PvE, that has no relevance to the subject here; we're talking about items, not titles. That would be like a PvPer complaining that he can't get his Canthan Grandmaster Cartographer in PvP... And last I checked, you can get your Crystallines in UW, FoW, and SF as well as HoH, whereas the first 3 named are PvE only.
/unsigned
Njaiguni Blaze
lol
minimum amount of characters needed...
minimum amount of characters needed...
Lykan
/notsigned
(also wants to buy back the 45 seconds of my life spent posting on this stupid suggestion.)
(also wants to buy back the 45 seconds of my life spent posting on this stupid suggestion.)
lordelg
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Conclusion - Gaining obsidian through PvP is far more difficult then through PvE. The time it takes is another matter as it depends on how often you farm / how often you take part in ATs. |
(obsidian is 200 RP per peice andmeans you cannot re roll... show the dedicated PvPers some love
Vapor_Fighter
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/signed - I agree with Evilsod. Either keep it so that PvE elite armors stay as PvE armors, or let all those drops from the HA chests drop in PvE. That includes the Stygian axes, Runic Blades, etc etc.
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/signed
Luna Star
/not signed
It takes a very long time to get even longer than in pve.
It's a reward for hard work and time spent.
It takes a very long time to get even longer than in pve.
It's a reward for hard work and time spent.
Willow O Whisper
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/signed - I agree with Evilsod. Either keep it so that PvE elite armors stay as PvE armors, or let all those drops from the HA chests drop in PvE. That includes the Stygian axes, Runic Blades, etc etc.
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B Ephekt
/not signed
QQ less imo.
QQ less imo.
lyra_song
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On another note, to the OP complaining how you can't get rank emotes in PvE, that has no relevance to the subject here; we're talking about items, not titles. That would be like a PvPer complaining that he can't get his Canthan Grandmaster Cartographer in PvP... And last I checked, you can get your Crystallines in UW, FoW, and SF as well as HoH, whereas the first 3 named are PvE only.
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Each gametype has content that is available in it and not in the other.
This is supposed to encourage players to play pvp and pve, to get the most out of the game.
Racthoh
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And last I checked, you can get your Crystallines in UW, FoW, and SF as well as HoH, whereas the first 3 named are PvE only.
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It would be nice if Runic Blades etc.. could be found elsewhere but I'm not up in arms about another skin that I wish was more accessible to me. A PvP only player having the same armour as me doesn't affect my gameplay one bit, and from the sound of things it takes just as much effort (I'll actually say a lot more) to acquire these elite armours in PvP.
InfernalSuffering
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/signed - I agree with Evilsod. Either keep it so that PvE elite armors stay as PvE armors, or let all those drops from the HA chests drop in PvE. That includes the Stygian axes, Runic Blades, etc etc.
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"pve armors" are the defaults for pvp characters. If you want a runic blade or stygian axe try beating Mallyx and see what he drops.
AND FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE SAYING MINI GHOSTLY SHOULD DROP IN PVE?!!? WTF?!?! THEY WOULD BE WORTH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THEN DESTORYING THE ECONOMY AND ALL YOU SCRUBS WOULD RUN AROUND HA THINKING YOU WERE SO 1337 FOR A WEEK UNTIL THEY NERFED THE INEVITABLE FARM TO GET THEM!!!
/endrage
JeniM
/SIGNED PvE'ers go through much more for these armors than PvP'ers
Relambrien
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/SIGNED PvE'ers go through much more for these armors than PvP'ers
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Assume you can get 30 reward points in a single AT (which is reasonable for someone with average skill, I'd say). Now let's also assume that you compete in one AT a day (an overestimate, judging by timing strains). This means you will get 30 points a day. You need 2,000 to get Obsidian armor, 1,000 to gain access to it and 1,000 to complete the set. 2,000 / 30 = 66.666... That's over two months to complete the set, whereas in PvE it takes what? A month of farming and buying things? Even less for 15k armor, which costs 1,250 points to complete from scratch.
Also, here's one question. PvP characters can ONLY go into PvP areas. So what's the problem? If you see someone with Obsidian armor in a PvE area, it retains its status since they cannot have gotten it through PvP. How many of you PvE'rs actually look at PvP areas that permit you to get these items? The only two ways right now are GvG and HB. Obviously you don't care for GvG, since you PvE. As for HB, how many people do you think will actually be able to get this armor? Casual HB'ers won't have a shot at it, for sure. Only hardcore HB'ers and GvG'ers will be able to get armor like this, which is an extremely small subset of the already-low 10% (ballpark) group of players who are PvP'ers.
Just think about it logically. This armor will be unavailable to most PvP'ers anyway, and it won't bother you in PvE sicne PvP characters can't go there. So what's the problem?
(Oh, and as a side note, I don't really care if PvE gets emotes. More power to them, it doesn't affect me as a PvP'er at all...)
BlackEagle
/notsigned
How does it affect a pve-er that pvpers can now get the armour through pvp? The pvp way to get the title needs more time and effort to get than the pve way. About Halls drops becoming availible to pve'ers, the difference between the two is that anywhere in pve can be farmed, and this can't be done with Halls.
How does it affect a pve-er that pvpers can now get the armour through pvp? The pvp way to get the title needs more time and effort to get than the pve way. About Halls drops becoming availible to pve'ers, the difference between the two is that anywhere in pve can be farmed, and this can't be done with Halls.
LifeInfusion
/notsigned
why?
Because the reward points are by no means cheap.
why?
Because the reward points are by no means cheap.
Nightmare Venom
/notsigned
In my opinion, even pvp players deserve to have their own elite armor. It is way for them to enjoy all the time and effort they put into getting it.
In my opinion, even pvp players deserve to have their own elite armor. It is way for them to enjoy all the time and effort they put into getting it.
Swift Thief
/Not signed
As other people have said, these armors in PvP are NOT cheap. they take just as much time if not more than than PvE.
As other people have said, these armors in PvP are NOT cheap. they take just as much time if not more than than PvE.