some major farming nerfs on their way

3. How can you NOT think PvP decides at least 9 out of 10 nerfs? Open your eyes, and look at mesmers and paragons just to begin with. Rits are even going to be nerfed soon due to constant HA abuse of channeling. PvP does decide probably more than 90% of the nerfs, however, the fact is that we deserve the nerfs simply due to the nature of the game. If PvE is a problem, ANet can change area balance, AI, mob structure, etc. etc. Also, if something is imbalanced in PvE, guess what, the mobs get slaughtered, and they aren't complaining.

However, PvP is a much higher upkeep gametype. The primary goal in PvP is to have multiple, versatile, and skill-based templates. We want the majority of builds to have skills and templates that scale with skill, and are bad in the hands of a bad player and good in the hands of a good player. Otherwise, you get stuff like rit spammers and paragon shout spammers, where all they have to do is drop spirits way in the backline or sit in the midline with over 130 armor shouting. These templates are just about the same with any skill level (how hard is it to press numbers all day?), and therefore are bad for the game. It isn't necessarily that passive skills are that bad, but they should be worse than an active skill in the hands of a good player.

I don't think that PvE really has this problem. If PvE had a skill that automatically made all enemy mobs target you (Aka tanking-for-retards button), everyone would be happy and people would use it (like the old SF bundle tanking). However, if PvP has skills that are basically easy-mode for things and make it so that even bad players can do well (like SF = easy pressure, Paragons/old-school rit spammers = easy defense, Recall/SoH = easy splitting), suddenly the game doesn't get fun. Improving is worthless, because you don't need to improve, and the game gets turned into a rock-paper-scissors game.

The point is that in PvP, these templates are fine. Easy-mode buttons are needed to keep some level of casual-players. However, these easy-mode buttons have to be worse than medium-high level players playing balanced builds, which will allow the truly skilled players to rise to the top while the gimmicks are left battling each other for fun at the bottom. This isn't happening, and passive stuff like paragon armor shouts are way too powerful, basically making the game unfun (which would be why so many PvPers have quit).

Originally Posted by LifesRestorer Guild vs Guild. hence the name of the game, GUILD WARS. this was intended to be the pinnacle of the game, and it will remain that way. i enjoy both aspects of the game. stop pissing and moaning just cause you can't farm until your eyes bleed and the market corrupts. That argument always pissed me off. It just doesn't say anything useful. Guild Wars occupies 2 niches in the (very crowded) MMORPG market, a no-subscription PvE, and a competitive (or at least the potential, not showing it very well right now) PvP. Especially since ANet has recently been pouring many more resources into non-GvG related stuff (HvH and PvE), they really aren't trying to balance PvP, and all the hype about GW:EN and GW2, it sure looks like they're aiming for the first niche. Sir Pandra Pierva Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2007 Sardelec yelling at Tenshi Angels Of Strife E/ 15 Jun 2007 at 21:27 - 51 I do RA and AB alot I get tired of going to HA and finding the same build used over and over and no one wanting to run a new build, my guild is small and doesn't HA much so I can't rely on them for any help, I got tired of AB after a while. I have to agree with one of the above posters PVP doesn't get really much of anything besides nerfs. PVE gets almost everything else. Farming nerfs I think are a good idea because it starts to weed out the weak farmers who beg a build off of someone and don't think of any new builds. I do farm a lot as well. Nkah Sennyt Awaken from hiatus. Join Date: Apr 2006 Riding the spiral. No Fun Allowed [Vdya] 15 Jun 2007 at 23:31 - 52 Watch the flames, and don't feed the trolls. Solus Spartan Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2007 Australia [Lawl] Mo/ 16 Jun 2007 at 01:12 - 53 The intendedPvpnerfswhichactuallyaffectedpveashitloadm ore are in. andrewf Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2006 I Seek Guild H K R/ 16 Jun 2007 at 02:28 - 54 I'm sure in terms of EXP.... They'll nerf the Margonite run before Witte's Levi Garett Old School Nub Join Date: Jun 2005 ABQ, NM Guildless Mo/Me 16 Jun 2007 at 04:17 - 55 How bout we keep the pvp vs pve arguements out of the FARMING sub-forum? Since farming is pve afterall.