t would be nice if for once the PVP morons actually bothered to stay out of PVE disscussions.
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It'd be nice if for once the PvE idiots
Why can't we all act more mature? It's sad to see most of the threads go down the drain nowadays.
This post was originally made for another forum, but I think it applies just as much here. Guru needs a fix. So here is HiroAyami's short guide to NOT flame:
You all know what flaming is, however I am perfectly, and avidly aware that you may not know if you, yourself are flaming. And you know what? Thats normal. Flames can be subtle, misinterpreted, or performed with the best of intentions. Like an insult, it can be done without knowing, and I've seen a few instances where that has indeed been the case. Now, that said, what can you do to avoid this, either flaming intentionally or not? Here's what I do.
1) I almost ALWAYS preview my post, review what I wrote, especially if it addresses someone or their work specifically.
2) When reading my work I think to myself, would I be insulted or would I mistake what is said here for something else? I try to make my posts as clear as possible, for my sake, as well as everyone elses.
3) I try to put myself in the readers perspective, from both the person I'm replying to, addressing, or otherwise, and from a standard browser of posts/topics. No one really reads things the same, so this is hardly full proof, but if you think you may find something possibly insulting, try and change it.
4) If I can't change the post and my ideas to be non-insulting, I simply do NOT post at all. I realize that as helpful as my thought may be, if it could be mistaken, it will do more harm than good. People are diverse, we have to realise we're not just dealing with another reflection of ourselves.
5) If I've been flamed I do my best to get up, walk away, or completely ignore it. Flames only bring more flames, if you flame them back, their obvious reponse will be a flame. take the initiative, put out the fire yourself. Why let a simple microwave fire escalate into a full blown house fire? If the firemen (Admins) can be spared the heartache and trouble, why not do it?
6) Realise that the other person may not be flaming you, and in fact my be offering kind words of advice, or offering contructive criticism, and their word choice was simply not appropriate or to your own liking.
7) If you can at all, refrain from getting into the middle of a flame war or an arguement. Let the two people settle it between themselves. Often things are escalated when outside parties, otherwise uninvolved, join the fray. Things get out of hand, and either party may feel threatened, ganged up on, and generally alienated. You may be trying to help, but in reality, you may do more harm than good. However, if you can somehow manage to intervene with a somewhat neutral manner, go for it, there are times when a cool head prevails.
8) There is nothing wrong with attempting to help admins do their work, just don't take matters into your own hands. Sure, you may be doing the right thing, you may have great intentions, but for the most part this approach does NOT work. Giving a friendly reminder of the rules can be helpful, but at times, it can incite a bigger problem. Telling someone to blatantly "watch their mouth" or that they "WILL be banned, etc." is not the way to do it. Let them know the rules, but do not, in any way threaten to enforce them yourself. In fact, simply let them know the rules exist, but do not threaten action in any way, even by saying "I can't, but the admins will.". These are forums, if they persist, PM an admin, or an admin will see it themselves and deal with it accordingly.
9) If you can, at all times, avoid an arguement yourself, but if you do, private messaging is a good way to resolve things in a discreet, non-volatile manner. There should be no reason why a disagreement between two people should be viewed by 50. Those two people can converse via Private Messages, we, the rest of the community do NOT need to see it.
My final thoughts? I believe they've been summarised in this little rant/guide. I'm not telling you how you should act, what you should do, but instead, I've shared what has worked for me, those 10 things usually keep me in line. I mean, I'm human too, I get upset and I do stupid things, we all do. For the most part, I'd like to see flaming in the Guru community go down and, if possible, down to zero.
What can you/we do to solve the problem?
16 Jun 2007 at 01:59 - 2
Let me take the opportunity to comment. If you see posts that you feel do not abide by our rules, click the report button (  ) at the left below the name of the poster and let us know about it.
If you feel that site staff has treated you unfairly, again, let us know about it. We are here to make your stay pleasant, so don't hesitate to share your concerns. If you could be as specific as possible, that would really help to track things down.
Last but not least, here is a list of who to contact.
16 Jun 2007 at 03:08 - 3
No post will be deleted without a reason. In most cases a lot of posts get deleted along with the flame posts because you have either responded to that flame post or have quoted some or all of the deleted post. To keep the thread tidy some posts will need to be culled.
I have done it more then a few times in PC threads when people start to bicker about silly little things. There is no point deleting a flame post if the posts below has quoted it is there?
Unfortunately due to the player base that now plays GW and frequents these forums, trying to have an adult discussion without the childish remarks/behavior is near impossible.
16 Jun 2007 at 07:37 - 4
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16 Jun 2007 at 15:58 - 5
Gameamp is a lot smaller then Guru which means it is a lot easier to moderate.
17 Jun 2007 at 05:21 - 6
Well I remember a time when everytime you posted something other than a picture in the pic section the mods would be on you right away and would ban/threaten to ban you. And now I see people posting flame/spam comments all the time and I'll even report the post and nothing will get done. I just had one of my friends get banned for having an item with a b/o of 100k in the high end sell section and he got banned for 3 days, I reported a post I saw in the high end section for having a b/o of 100k and a mod responded to me saying it was ok.  Now I think it's getting to the point where mods just delete/close posts/threads that they want to and don't actually moderate the other posts. Yes in discussion threads there will be different ideas and points of view, but you need to know when to delete and not delete posts, especially when it states a members opinion, you guys are just getting lazy and delete the whole post instead of moderating it and editing the flaming comments out. It has nothing to do with size, it has to do with laziness. Yes guru is a big fansite, but look how many mods it has. I've reported tons of trolls on this site for flaming and nothing happens to them. You tell us to use the report button and yet nothing happens when we do. One thing that irritates the hell out of me is seeing the same people coming back and ignoring the rules, posting pics over the req. size or .png's. Or people having early bumps or linking to their other sales. Lately I've seen more people getting banned for stuff that isn't breaking the forum rules and more people that are actually breaking the rules getting away with it. It doesn't have much to do with the size, as not all members are active on this site, it has to do with the lack of mods getting it in gear and reading the rules for themselves. I really think Guru needs to redo the rules so the mods and members can get it together.
17 Jun 2007 at 12:27 - 7
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Originally Posted by jrk247
I see people posting flame/spam comments all the time and I'll even report the post and nothing will get done....
I've reported tons of trolls on this site for flaming and nothing happens to them. You tell us to use the report button and yet nothing happens when we do.
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While it is a sensitive issue, and to be frank we have no 'right' to question the moderating of this forum, or to tell them what to do, I would agree with you on a number of your points as i have quoted above jrk247.
I do know however that there is always a large amount that goes on behind the scenes on a gaming forum, particularly one of this size. It is all too easy for us to see the bad and not the good. I know that there is a lot of good modding done here as well.
So i would like to thank the Mods for doing what im certain is a volunteer task for most if not all, which is often thankless, cheers guys 
Having said that, I would like to try and offer a couple of constructive points if i may from my own experience as a gaming forum admin.
VBulletin has a feature for Mods to make a 'soft' delete of a post or thread. This means that everyone will see a short message that the op's post did exist but now only the reason why it was deleted by the Mod shows.
I would also urge Mods to then notify the op briefly to let them know that their post was deleted and why. This can easily be done when marking a violation against an offending user, which in turn keeps track of repeat offenders.
If the op isnt informed then all that the modding is doing is firefighting, surely it is much better and more efficient to combat the issue at source...and try and prevent the need to mod again, by informing the op that whatever they posted is not acceptable and future reoccurances could lead to temp bans etc
Additionally, a soft delete is trackable and restorable if required.
When people know they can get away with posting the flames/trolls/meaningless babble/spam that they do then, particularly on a large forum like this, things can get out of hand very quickly.
We, the decent users enjoy this forum and appreciate it and care enough that we will use the report feature to try keep the trash talk down. Hopefully users and Mods can work together and appreciate each other in this regards.  Cheers
Just a wee reminder to us all:
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Originally Posted by Guru Form Rules
every post and thread should add to knowledge rather than mislead or contribute to the confusion.
We reserve the right to edit posts for format, content, or clarity, without notice.
However, we will not intentionally change the substance of what anyone says, and will inform you if we make any substantial changes.
Posting meaningless deranged psychobabble with no substantial merit or posts that do not contribute to the thread discussion will more than likely be deleted without notice.
Any post which violates civilized standards of decency or good conduct will be deleted immediately and without any further notice.
Repeat offenders will be temporarily or permanently banned.
Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting. A troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse and to provoke other members into hostility.
..personal attacks are not warranted...
If you cannot be respectful to others, then don't be surprised if those in charge are not respectful of your continued privilege to post.
...do not spam these forums, or such posts will be deleted. To determine whether or not your post can be considered as spam, ask,
"does this add to or advance the thread in a constructive way." If you answer, "yes," then chances are, you're good to go. Examples of spam posts include: “Yeah me too," "lol”, “that’s what I wanted to say…,” “what the guy above said…”, etc.
A warning may or may not be issued for violating any of these guidelines. When you have accumulated a substantial amount of warnings... you will be temporarily banned...If you break the rules repeatedly you will be permanently banned, no questions, no excuses.
17 Jun 2007 at 13:41 - 8
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Originally Posted by jrk247
Well I remember a time when everytime you posted something other than a picture in the pic section the mods would be on you right away and would ban/threaten to ban you. And now I see people posting flame/spam comments all the time and I'll even report the post and nothing will get done. I just had one of my friends get banned for having an item with a b/o of 100k in the high end sell section and he got banned for 3 days, I reported a post I saw in the high end section for having a b/o of 100k and a mod responded to me saying it was ok. Now I think it's getting to the point where mods just delete/close posts/threads that they want to and don't actually moderate the other posts. Yes in discussion threads there will be different ideas and points of view, but you need to know when to delete and not delete posts, especially when it states a members opinion, you guys are just getting lazy and delete the whole post instead of moderating it and editing the flaming comments out. It has nothing to do with size, it has to do with laziness. Yes guru is a big fansite, but look how many mods it has. I've reported tons of trolls on this site for flaming and nothing happens to them. You tell us to use the report button and yet nothing happens when we do. One thing that irritates the hell out of me is seeing the same people coming back and ignoring the rules, posting pics over the req. size or .png's. Or people having early bumps or linking to their other sales. Lately I've seen more people getting banned for stuff that isn't breaking the forum rules and more people that are actually breaking the rules getting away with it. It doesn't have much to do with the size, as not all members are active on this site, it has to do with the lack of mods getting it in gear and reading the rules for themselves. I really think Guru needs to redo the rules so the mods and members can get it together.
A person will not be banned for having a B/O of 100k in High End sell (however this rule is due to change shortly) there would have been another violation in the thread. PM me a link to that persons account and I will look into it.
Early bumping is a problem but in our defense people complain about such things but they don't do anything about it. I logged in this morning, checked my e-mail for reported posts..nothing, yet I go into High End and spot 3 violations within 5 minutes. We are not super human, modding the forum with the most traffic per day requires help from users also.
As for linking to other sell threads, this is perfectly fine as long as it's not a link to the auction site. A link tot he auction site isn't allowed and should be reported.
18 Jun 2007 at 15:14 - 9
On the note, on the Screenshot Expo section of the forum, we do our best to remove spam and flaming wherever possible. We have clear rules in regards to screenshot sizes and flaming, but people will continue to ignore them nevertheless. We keep things under control as best we can, be again unless people report issues we can't deal with them.
On average I get 3 reported posts a week, and yet I edited and deleted double that amount on a daily basis.
If people report calls, we can deal with them. I don't feel that is happening enough.
18 Jun 2007 at 17:49 - 10
I've received less then 5 reported posts in 2-3 days..that's poor. I could find that many violations in a matter of minutes.
Can you see the trend?
18 Jun 2007 at 18:02 - 11
^^ Exactly, MB; we the community definitely needs to start pulling its weight more and reporting more when it needs to be done. As you guys say you do indeed act on reported posts which is great.
Im thinking that is mostly Mods and a few of us reading this thread though and not the ones that need to hear it heh :P
Maybe an announcement or post in Riverside containing something like what i quoted from the rules might help, along with a reminder for people to use the report rather than escalate the bad threads. even if a dozen or so more people benefit from it and start helping you guys more with reporting..it would be worth it. Little by little..
cheers
18 Jun 2007 at 18:57 - 12
In many cases when people do actually report they decide in their 'wisdom' they need to add a sarcastic comment just for the hell of it, that doesn't help at all. But, what can we do? posting a sticky is pointless, the stickys generally tend to be the least read post on the front page.
19 Jun 2007 at 00:31 - 13
I think there is an abundance of flaming here, but again a lack of moderation. I know it is hard to look through every post for flaming, but there are alot of moderatiors, and i feel that more flaming should be caught.
19 Jun 2007 at 00:39 - 14
Well you also have to realise that the members aren't supposed to report posts (even though they can), they are not mods. It is the mods job to look through threads and moderate them not to just wait for reports to come in. And even if you only deal with a few posts a day, you have to realise that you aren't the only mod (hopfully).
19 Jun 2007 at 01:55 - 15
jrk, we are volunteers here. When we ask for a round of volunteers to help us out in becoming moderators, it's usually those who are all ready involved and helping us in the community.
This is not a job. It is not our "responsibility" or our "job" to oversee the community. These are devoted volunteers who have gone just a step further in helping and participating in the community then the average player. The have full-time jobs/schooling, families, hobbies, and they play Guild Wars as well. Your arguement would only hold weight if we were a company. We aren't. We are just a fansite and we depend on not only our volunteer moderators but we hope that the community cares just as much and wants to see a site that they visit improve.
19 Jun 2007 at 02:20 - 16
Yeah I know it's volunteer and I know people can't be at the computer 24/7. But I know it is possible to lower the amount of trolls/spammers on this forum, it has been done before. I even hated RTS at the time when he/she was being a good mod, deleting all spam in the Screenshot Expo, but I realised why RTS was doing it. And it has gotten really bad now, I see the same people doing the same crap and breaking the same rules even after they've been banned/warned. I know members hate it when mods delete posts and close threads but it stops the spam level, people get the idea after awhile. But now it's at the point where people think it's ok to just spam/flame threads they do it all the time, everyone else does it so they think it's ok. Just read through the SR thread and other prolonged discussion threads.
I know that moderating a fansite is volunteer, but there are volunteer jobs in real life that you don't get paid for, you still have to do your job or what's the point of having it? I know that Mods like to play the game just like members and they choose to take time out of playing to maintain/help maintain this fansite. The flaming on guru has been getting really bad lately, and what is even worse is the amount of people that think it's ok to do so.
19 Jun 2007 at 02:51 - 17
jrk, the issue is that the flaming is bad everywhere right now. It's not a Guru issue. It's on blogs, guild sites, and other fansites. It's an issue we are all trying to address and unfortunately the community is restless right now. YES! I blamed it on all of you. We can manage and try to control but we believe in giving people a voice. If the overall opinion of the community right now is negative, we can not supress or try to silence those who want to speak out. We can get rid of the most over-the-top ones but please remember, that just because we can't be reading all the thread all the time, I can tell you that nearly 150+ posts have been deleted in the Soul Reaping thread. I just got done deleting out 23 posts in a 4 page thread on the newest update.
So while we our monitoring volatile threads, this takes up time, so maybe more spamming is getting through. This is why we ask for your help in reporting posts! Now I've been told that you do report posts jrk, so thank you. If you see an issue that you believe is not being resolved in a thread then please PM myself or a mod in that forum and it will spotlight it even more.
We are doing our best but with nearly 6000 posts a day, no, there is no way for us to monitor and manage every single thread.
19 Jun 2007 at 15:33 - 18
The flaming and general abuse in Riverside is pretty horrendous, maybe it's time to fully introduce mini-bans to that forum? I know we do occasionally ban the odd 1 or 2 users (normally the same faces) but perhaps it's time we got mean, Ventari's soon shaped up when 0 tolerance was introduced.
I know people will moan (don't they always?), but the vocal trolls do make that forum a nightmare for someone who just wants to catch up on the latest news and TRY to have a discussion with their fellow gamers.
26 Jun 2007 at 11:08 - 19
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
The flaming and general abuse in Riverside is pretty horrendous, maybe it's time to fully introduce mini-bans to that forum? I know we do occasionally ban the odd 1 or 2 users (normally the same faces) but perhaps it's time we got mean, Ventari's soon shaped up when 0 tolerance was introduced.
I know people will moan (don't they always?), but the vocal trolls do make that forum a nightmare for someone who just wants to catch up on the latest news and TRY to have a discussion with their fellow gamers.
I think bans should be applied. People just don't care no more. You flame, and then what? Well, the admin deletes your post, or remove the content. That doesn't solve the problem, now they can just continue to flame somewhere else, or just post a new one in the same thread. We need those bans
I do not know how long a mini ban is, but I'd wish it was 2 weeks. In terms of an MMORPG, that is a long time. People need to be more aware of the rules, and they need to know that if they flame, there will actually be responses to that! there is so many flames that just gets lost in the mist. It doesn't matter if it's a credible member or not, a flame is a flame.
Posting this thread here was actually a bad idea, here we only get responses from the truly dedicated ones and the admins. May I request to re-post in Sardelac or the Riverside in? Alternatively, I'd wish that you all made a public announcement in all threads stating that flaming will result in bans.
I vote yes for a zero tolerance rule on flaming.
26 Jun 2007 at 11:48 - 20
I have noticed a few more bans being issued for repeat offenders (good job on that), one thing that I've noticed though is that people are making a lot of sarcastic comments and not making people aware that they are being sarcastic which usually leads in a half page spam/flame fest, "selling sarcasm detector" etc. I think the Peeve thread is good and it lets some people vent out their frustration that sometimes leads to flames in other threads.
I agree with the zero tolerance in serious parts of the site like Ventari's. But more laid back places maybe let people settle stuff for themselves and if it doesn't settle soft delete some posts and have a warning in the thread. Maybe warn the people that constantly get a +1 post for saying nice armor/weapon/etc in the "Post Your" threads every other post? I mean we can have mini discussions about screenshots but the same person repeating the same thing over and over kind of ruins it and causes mods to have to step in.
It would be nice if an Admin (Inde) could send everyone a Zero Tolerance on Flaming e-mail or PM, so then you know everyone would be aware of it, and if they flame after that (excess flaming) you can just give them a mini ban if they come back after their ban and if they keep it up maybe reduce the amount of posts they can have? I don't know if that could be done but it would be nice. Or just ban the repeat offenders double the amount as the first ban. I do not believe in the higher rank you are (more posts) that you should get banned for longer, I've seen a lot of new posters flame more often than the veterans of GWG, but I've also seen many veterans flame, maybe just have a set amount of time for flamers so no matter what everyone gets the same ban duration for flamming.
Maybe give the veteran guru'rs a soft delete/edit option to reduce some of the flames/spam in threads. And I know this might get abused but if you see someone abusing it take away their powers and sentence a mini ban for them.
I know it's a long post so /end rant. 
26 Jun 2007 at 12:18 - 21
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Originally Posted by jrk247
I do not believe in the higher rank you are (more posts) that you should get banned for longer, I've seen a lot of new posters flame more often than the veterans of GWG, but I've also seen many veterans flame, maybe just have a set amount of time for flamers so no matter what everyone gets the same ban duration for flamming.
You misunderstood my point
What I meant is that a zero tolerance is a zero tolerance. A flame should be a flame, it doesn't matter who posts it. Thing is, the more known members of this site (who flame) gets off the hook too easily compared to the newbies. Say, if Ensign flamed, which admin would have the guts to impose a mini-ban on him?
1 flame = 1 ban
Regardless of your name or fame.
10 Jul 2007 at 09:56 - 22
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Posting this thread here was actually a bad idea, here we only get responses from the truly dedicated ones and the admins. May I request to re-post in Sardelac or the Riverside in? Alternatively, I'd wish that you all made a public announcement in all threads stating that flaming will result in bans.
Uhm, bump? Am I allowed to do this or not? since anyone hardly reads these forums...
10 Jul 2007 at 13:54 - 23
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Originally Posted by jrk247
Well you also have to realise that the members aren't supposed to report posts (even though they can), they are not mods. It is the mods job to look through threads and moderate them not to just wait for reports to come in. And even if you only deal with a few posts a day, you have to realise that you aren't the only mod (hopfully).
We as members of the forum are an an integral part of the system. If you see something that is wrong why not report it? The moderators can use all the help we can give them. On a few occasions where I was personally flamed I reported them and things were taken care of. I would like to add my praise to the thankless job they do, keep up the good work people.
10 Jul 2007 at 14:56 - 24
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Originally Posted by Wyat Hawke
Say, if Ensign flamed, which admin would have the guts to impose a mini-ban on him?
I'd totally do that.
As far as noting for flaming goes, the biggest discrepancy which comes down to moderator opinion is what constitutes a flame. The vast majority of reports I get about flame posts aren't really insults, but generally people disagreeing with the reporter, calling them wrong, etc.
More 'famous' people tend to get 'off the hook' because the flames they post are usually along the lines of 'you are wrong' (generally somewhat harsher), which is not a flame in the context of discussion. That's community service; promote quality, discourage crap.
As for who gets modded... I've edited/deleted flame/improper posts from every rank, including Gaile.
10 Jul 2007 at 19:01 - 25
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May I request to re-post in Sardelac or the Riverside inn?
My question still stands. Can I do this, to get more responses (from those who don't bother reading this forum section)?
10 Jul 2007 at 22:06 - 26
Wyat, you want a discussion on flaming in a forum that is supposed to be dealing with Guild Wars game issue and discussion. I understand the point of a discussion with the community but moving this into a forum supposed to be about Guild Warswould only generate the same complaints that you were speaking out against. This is a site issue. One of your first responses would be "great, another thread complaining about the complainers". A discussion on flaming would yield nothing more then... flames. We are trying to keep flames down, non-contributing negativity, one-liner spam, flamebait but a discussion with the community on this isn't an educational process that would be providing enlightenment for anyone. Most who are flaming know full well what they are doing, will defend it to the death, and are of the opinion matter that it's deserved/necessary/ or defensive.
10 Jul 2007 at 23:20 - 27
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Originally Posted by Avarre
As for who gets modded... I've edited/deleted flame/improper posts from every rank, including Gaile.
When has Gaile ever had to have a post of hers edited/deleted, maybe there is a darkside of Gaile we(the community) don't know about!
Oh mods the deletion of that goldseller's thread(s) was pretty fast, kudos for that.
11 Jul 2007 at 00:45 - 28
I think the moderating on guru is fine, theres too many carebear forums like GWOnline that delete and edit every post that doesnt end in "  <3 GAILE PWNS "
11 Jul 2007 at 01:20 - 29
might i suggest the the report abuse icon be a bit larger with the words "Report Abuse"? i think many ppl don't know that that function exist of forget about it when they want to report a violation simply because it is not big enough.
11 Jul 2007 at 07:48 - 30
The report button can't be modified, it is part of the forum software.
11 Jul 2007 at 15:15 - 31
Actually, it's just a graphic. It can indeed be modified, enlarged, changed, even text added. We'd have to find a good way to do this though as we don't want column widths or lengths thrown off by it.
14 Jul 2007 at 09:31 - 32
i think warnings should be giving out before a ban unless the violation was completely abusive. like cursing or name calling. real life threats should also result in a permanent ban.
if someone words their reply in a way that seems rude "Flamish" they should be contacted by a mod telling them to amend their post so it does not provoke flaming or hurt feelings. this would allow those of us who accidently word something wrong to go back and fix it. a Friendly Reminder can help alot, and will stick with us and make us members appreciate the understanding of the community. some times we just make mistakes, not all of us are rude on purpose.
I believe everything Wyat Hawke has said, especially the intro post to be common sence. as a child i was taught to respect others and treat them as i want to be treated, but that seems to not matter when dealing with online games in general. which makes me sad because we could prosper so much more as a community and as indaviduals if we just worked together instead of soley for ourselves.
I also support Mini Bans and Long Term Bans when dealing with abusive members. if someone makes a mistake, dont ban them, teach them not to do it again, and if they value their participation with this site they will stop.
I also believe and understand that it is up to the members to assist the mods/admins in keeping our community clean and stable. the site isnt a requirement of the game, it is a bonus!
i would also like to add that as wonderful a feature the report button is, we should only use it when it is truely needed. (Reading Post's in a Bad Mood is never a fair way to judge the material. calm down then re-read the post before you make the call. thanks.
thanks you all for providing guildwar players like myself a place to come and share our thoughts and ideas, and to meet other players.
14 Jul 2007 at 13:42 - 33
We usually do pm/warn for minor offenses. Temp-bans varying in length aren't used until the offender violates the rules several times.
15 Jul 2007 at 09:12 - 34
I've a vested interest in this particular topic, as many people consider me a 'troll'. While I certainly was at some point in the past--I did receive a deserved three-month ban--I would say that I've cooled down quite a bit.
However, people still tend to point out whatever I post as 'flames', however mild it might be--I don't sugarcoat what I say like many others, and if someone's acting like an idiot, I have no qualms about calling them out on it (if the mods disagree, that's their prerogative and their site).
I'm of the opinion that the definition of a 'flame' is too broad--just disagreeing with someone isn't flaming them. Recognizing that a topic will not garner worthwhile discussion and pointing this fact out isn't flaming.
I think a good, official definition of 'flaming' is in order. But that's just me.
16 Jul 2007 at 09:55 - 35
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Originally Posted by Kakumei
I'm of the opinion that the definition of a 'flame' is too broad--just disagreeing with someone isn't flaming them. Recognizing that a topic will not garner worthwhile discussion and pointing this fact out isn't flaming.
I think a good, official definition of 'flaming' is in order. But that's just me.
I agree with this.
I can't speak for the rest of the moderators as I'm sure definitions vary, but the definition of flaming I've worked with is;
'Direct or indirect personal attacks on a player, or sufficiently offensive commenting taking into account language used.'
I have no problem with people calling out others on being wrong - fostering stupidity isn't a good thing. In those cases it comes down to the severity of language and whether the comment makes personal remarks as to whether I'd want to take action.
16 Jul 2007 at 15:11 - 36
What I consider a flame:
Calling people retarded, stupid, moron etc
Also such things as "this thread fails" or "the OP fails"
Anyone that can't form a proper sentence/paragraph should be sent for English lessons. I know we are a multi national forum BUT it is generally the English speakers which fail so miserably at their own language. Closing of such threads wouldn't be harsh IMO, as these threads tend to only draw out the grammar nazi's.
I'm all for people disagreeing, it makes for some entertaining reading.
I'm up for moderating in Riverside if you need a hand, as it seems a lot of the Riverside mods are less then active.
17 Jul 2007 at 08:55 - 37
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
I'm up for moderating in Riverside if you need a hand, as it seems a lot of the Riverside mods are less then active.
My workload has increased dramatically (important year in school) so my overall time is pretty limited now.
17 Jul 2007 at 14:27 - 38
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Originally Posted by Avarre
My workload has increased dramatically (important year in school) so my overall time is pretty limited now.
Ah school, I remember those days..barely lol. When you leave and get over the intial excitment of leaving you will soon want to go back.
19 Jul 2007 at 14:48 - 39
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Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down
Oh mods the deletion of that goldseller's thread(s) was pretty fast, kudos for that.
Mod's are like precision missles when it comes to goldsellers! :P
31 Jul 2007 at 12:52 - 40
So could someone answer me a question please.
If you post in a forum with a subject that is relevant to that forum and something you want to discuss with others, and it contains none of the following:
1. No flaming
2. No insults
3. No trolling
4. Contains your opinions on the subject
Is it correct that because your opinion does not match the moderators opinion he should just remove the post, without explanation besides maybe calling you a scrub !
I ask this because in one of your forums this is an almost daily occurence, the situation is such that any new thread which does not match the moderators opinions is closed almost immediately, but now and again they insult those who have posted before closing, and a friend of mine was actually banned permanently for asking the moderator why his posts were deleted in a PM.
I'm asking here as I think if I approached the moderator through PM I too would be banned, if and administrator wants details I will forward them by PM.
I hope this does not get ignored as the forum in question could be so much more active if a little common sense was used.
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