how is it going to ruin the game? .....zomg koss is using LB gaze run for your lives!!1!!!!!1!1!11!11!!!!!1ElEvEnTyOnE!!!!1!!!
i mean really come on -_-
Plz allow us to use Sunspear skills on heroes?
assassin_of_ni
Bryant Again
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Didn't mean to hurt your wuittle feelings.
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Why don't they have lightbringer skills? because it would ruin the game. Same situation.
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Mad King Corn
/signed
Anet has already refused to allow for more heroes so I would like to see my heroes use the new skills, even if the heroes had a limited (perhaps rank 5) sunspear title.
Anet has already refused to allow for more heroes so I would like to see my heroes use the new skills, even if the heroes had a limited (perhaps rank 5) sunspear title.
ArKaiN
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How do Heros give you more money?
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Only to you. You're not only being inconsiderate but stupid. Plus, you haven't really given any reasons why it's a "retarded premise".
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a) Heroes haven't done Jack Shit to earn said titles and
b) Giving said skills to heroes would completely throw the balance of the game. Your dervish has permanent Avatar, your sin attacks +33% permanently, your ranger can Spike better than any RangerSpiker ever could. All this in the hands of one person. The AI was not balanced to take anything like this. Such a group could very well slice through DoA.
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Ruin the-? How the hell's it ruin the game? So I don't PUG anymore? I'm not gonna group with people just because they have a skill my Heroes and Henchmen don't, not to mention one you can be totally fine without.
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Anyway, I feel bad pointing these things out, because they should be obvious. If the mob had their way, FoW armor would cost 5k, Mending+Healing Breeze on a warrior would be awesome, entrance to elite missions would be free and I would be playing something else.
EDIT: If you want, I could elaborate on why having every bozo with access to heroes able to destroy DoA is bad for the game. Apparently things I thought were evident sometimes aren't.
assassin_of_ni
the mob.....really? hunh....well then since we have mr rat pack here i suppose we best make like hockey sticks and get the puck outta here eh.
for 1:you said an NPC that gives free plat....ok uuuuhm wtf?
2:its a retarded premise IN YOUR OPINION....in fact my heroes did help contribute to my title when i grinded my ass off for it...so excuse me for having the feeling that they should get the skill as well as myself....especially since a few of em are sunspears anyways! >_<
and the most it did was make a few skills more useful now i.e. avatar of grenth again and flashing blades builds and what have you...as for the r-spike comment 3 arrows as compared to the dual shot is only slightly better and even then its not enough to go pwn the crap outta doa with.
3:a few sunspear skills is nowhere even close to give me the urge to ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.....everevereverevereverevereverever EVER again.
for 1:you said an NPC that gives free plat....ok uuuuhm wtf?
2:its a retarded premise IN YOUR OPINION....in fact my heroes did help contribute to my title when i grinded my ass off for it...so excuse me for having the feeling that they should get the skill as well as myself....especially since a few of em are sunspears anyways! >_<
and the most it did was make a few skills more useful now i.e. avatar of grenth again and flashing blades builds and what have you...as for the r-spike comment 3 arrows as compared to the dual shot is only slightly better and even then its not enough to go pwn the crap outta doa with.
3:a few sunspear skills is nowhere even close to give me the urge to ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.....everevereverevereverevereverever EVER again.
ArKaiN
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the mob.....really? hunh....well then since we have mr rat pack here i suppose we best make like hockey sticks and get the puck outta here eh.
for 1:you said an NPC that gives free plat....ok uuuuhm wtf? 2:its a retarded premise IN YOUR OPINION....in fact my heroes did help contribute to my title when i grinded my ass off for it...so excuse me for having the feeling that they should get the skill as well as myself....especially since a few of em are sunspears anyways! >_< and the most it did was make a few skills more useful now i.e. avatar of grenth again and flashing blades builds and what have you...as for the r-spike comment 3 arrows as compared to the dual shot is only slightly better and even then its not enough to go pwn the crap outta doa with. 3:a few sunspear skills is nowhere even close to give me the urge to ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.....everevereverevereverevereverever EVER again. |
Thunder79
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throw the PUG players a bone...not like the new skills will make people PUG more than they did before the skills. I know it won't affect my play at all.
throw the PUG players a bone...not like the new skills will make people PUG more than they did before the skills. I know it won't affect my play at all.
assassin_of_ni
i only speak 2 languages...english and extremely bad english....i only save the regular english for people i plan on debating in a serious matter....not on a feeling of inferiority vs heroes kthx
D8tura
Arkain, you are clearly antagonizing You are proof of why we choose heroes instead of "insert insulting whatever" like you in the first place. I'm so glad i don't have to deal with people like you in the game now when i play...
I just wish the characters I ENJOY playing with (heroes, not you) had the same skills you can get.....
I just wish the characters I ENJOY playing with (heroes, not you) had the same skills you can get.....
Bryant Again
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I never said that. READ the phrase. I'm basically saying "A person is smart, a mob is stupid".
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Add: Ahhh by reading ahead, I've discovered that when you say "mob", you mean "majority". It doesn't make sense.
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It's a retarded premise because:
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Also: "Balance of the game"? It was imbalanced as soon as they made a normal monster over level 20. Not to mention that these skills are perfectly imbalanced. Don't know where you're headed here.
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shivanSoule
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heroes are good enough.. except their AI on using certain skills.
heroes are good enough.. except their AI on using certain skills.
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Not everyone has beaten all campaigns with all characters you know. You cant expect your team to have "elite skill X" when you are pugging in an area before that skill is available. . . .
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Fro me a healer monk without LoD is useless. A Prot monk without either ZB or SoR is useless. And an elly without searing flames or invoke lightning? Instant kick.
If I can play any build, there isnt any excuse other players have not to. If other players cant play decent bars, they're not making it into my group (Took me 4 days to complete Tyria HM. Lack of decent players is making the other two too difficult).
Not having elite skill X in HM is not an excuse for noobs to be allowed to play HM.
bhavv
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I have eight rank 10 sunspear characters, and two more rank 9.
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I only have one r10 sunspear char with legendary skill hunter since I prefer to always play one char. However there are sooo many people in the game that dont have any usefull skills and expect to be able to pug in HM.
Once I got a monk in my HM group, He had no elite, heal other, jameis gaze, heal party and healing breeze and no energy management XD.
I think that was the reason I stopped taking human monks.
Amy Awien
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It would be great if heroes could use sunspear skills.
A common argument against it boils down to PuG's: heroes with sunspear skills would kill PuG's while people should (be encouraged to) join PuG's more often.
But gimping heroes is not the right way to promote PuG's. The only way to enjoy PuG's at the moment is to not take them too seriously for completing missions and join them for the fun of it. To finish the mission horoes and henchmen are frequently a better party.
For those who like to PuG and would like to see more players join PuG, think of ways to make joining a PuG something desirable rather then supporting ways to decrease the usefulness of other options. Encourage people to join PuG's by increasing the joy of playing in one, not by reducing other options.
It would be great if heroes could use sunspear skills.
A common argument against it boils down to PuG's: heroes with sunspear skills would kill PuG's while people should (be encouraged to) join PuG's more often.
But gimping heroes is not the right way to promote PuG's. The only way to enjoy PuG's at the moment is to not take them too seriously for completing missions and join them for the fun of it. To finish the mission horoes and henchmen are frequently a better party.
For those who like to PuG and would like to see more players join PuG, think of ways to make joining a PuG something desirable rather then supporting ways to decrease the usefulness of other options. Encourage people to join PuG's by increasing the joy of playing in one, not by reducing other options.
Jebus
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This will make HM much more interesting, and more fun. I'm not going to PUG anyway, I don't trust people enough for that...
This will make HM much more interesting, and more fun. I'm not going to PUG anyway, I don't trust people enough for that...
candyman_sb
Yeah let's go even further and make this skills usable in PvP.
/NOT SIGNED
Giving heroes sunspear skills would be retarded. Normal mode is easy and with overpowered heroes is not worth playing. Hardmode and maybe some of the elite missions would also become to easy.
And yes I like to pug. And there are other ppl that like to pug. Why is the chat in mission areas spamed with "LFG mission"? Giving heroes those skills would hurt pugs even more.
/NOT SIGNED
Giving heroes sunspear skills would be retarded. Normal mode is easy and with overpowered heroes is not worth playing. Hardmode and maybe some of the elite missions would also become to easy.
And yes I like to pug. And there are other ppl that like to pug. Why is the chat in mission areas spamed with "LFG mission"? Giving heroes those skills would hurt pugs even more.
Mouse at Large
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Why not just wait a few days and see how this all shakes out. Personally speaking, if this encourages more human players to play together, I don't think that's a bad idea. And to those who shun PuGs and would rather play with henchies/heroes - you're no worse off than before the update.
P.S. Been trying E/P with the new Para Sunspear skill - very nice
Why not just wait a few days and see how this all shakes out. Personally speaking, if this encourages more human players to play together, I don't think that's a bad idea. And to those who shun PuGs and would rather play with henchies/heroes - you're no worse off than before the update.
P.S. Been trying E/P with the new Para Sunspear skill - very nice
Orbberius
the internets - srs bsns
Bryant Again
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Giving heroes sunspear skills would be retarded. Normal mode is easy and with overpowered heroes is not worth playing. Hardmode and maybe some of the elite missions would also become to easy.
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And that's what these skills were supposed to do: make everything easier.
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And yes I like to pug. And there are other ppl that like to pug. Why is the chat in mission areas spamed with "LFG mission"? Giving heroes those skills would hurt pugs even more.
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/not signed (yet)
Why not just wait a few days and see how this all shakes out. Personally speaking, if this encourages more human players to play together, I don't think that's a bad idea. And to those who shun PuGs and would rather play with henchies/heroes - you're no worse off than before the update. |
Fact of the matter is that these skills are simply not good pugging incentive, since these skills are far from essential.
prism2525
well koss should at the very least. He sure IS a sunspear.
Aera Lure
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It actually encourages the formation of a human group if you want a party rife with these skills. This is a good thing. Its not like you need the skills on hero bars to complete hard mode by any stretch. This is a reward for players to use, not heroes.
I've actually retired all my other characters, save my monk, due to the fact that I dont want to micromanage multiple sets of heroes equipment, runes, etc. Its already a pain with just the one set. They should have been implemented globally imho, but I digress. That being the case, I'll never use most of the new skills as a monk primary, unless I had the ability to put them on a hero, but even still I wont sign for it.
It actually encourages the formation of a human group if you want a party rife with these skills. This is a good thing. Its not like you need the skills on hero bars to complete hard mode by any stretch. This is a reward for players to use, not heroes.
I've actually retired all my other characters, save my monk, due to the fact that I dont want to micromanage multiple sets of heroes equipment, runes, etc. Its already a pain with just the one set. They should have been implemented globally imho, but I digress. That being the case, I'll never use most of the new skills as a monk primary, unless I had the ability to put them on a hero, but even still I wont sign for it.
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how is it going to ruin the game? .....zomg koss is using LB gaze run for your lives!!1!!!!!1!1!11!11!!!!!1ElEvEnTyOnE!!!!1!!!
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Fact of the matter is that these skills are simply not good pugging incentive, since these skills are far from essential.
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It's true, they aren't essential. However, they are good enough a reason to take a random player with you instead of heroes now. I do however find it unfair that we are unable to replace henches with heroes and unable to use PvE only skills on our heroes. At least one of them should be possible.
blue.rellik
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Because the skills are already powerful. It would make it far too easy
Because the skills are already powerful. It would make it far too easy
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Because the skills are already powerful. It would make it far too easy
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darkknightkain
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Extra options for players to choose from is always a good thing.
For anyone who doesn't want to use the new skills, just don't equip it! How simple is that!
Extra options for players to choose from is always a good thing.
For anyone who doesn't want to use the new skills, just don't equip it! How simple is that!
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4 LB gazes at the same time at LB 5 = 400 holy damage on 6 different foes+interrupt them all. Its basically a better, half recharge, instant meteor shower. I call that "overpowered".
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Heroes or not, is not even relevant in your argument.
The only thing that can prevent something THAT is to have anet limits so that only the leader in the whole party can equip pve skills..
unienaule
If ever people in this game took longer than a day to whine about a new update that added awesome skills, I would crap my pants.
Aphraelyn
Sometimes I really wonder why ANet continue to add additional stuff. If they hadn't introduced these new skills at all, there would be no complaining at all. Not whatsoever. Nope, but everytime ANet adds something new, you can count on people finding something to whine and bitch about on the forums.
Now seriously, if ANet had not announced new PvE skills, would you even have considered it and complain about there being no PvE skills? I...highly doubt that.
Anyway /notsigned (Surprise Surprise?)
If a group wants to...risk...PuGing, they should get the advantage, especially since their monk could secretly bring in healing breeze after the leader has asked them to ping their bar...oh wait...
If you're gonna say how guild groups get the advantage this way...get a guild.
Want it on your heroes? Personally, I'd say go play WoW.
((But seriously people, ask yourselves. If all ANet gets after doing a free update is bitching and whining, do you think they'll do it often? Personally, I think I'd do more free updates if I was getting thanks for it rather than this. Yes folks, this is a free update, you did not pay for this =P If you're gonna whine about ANet not doing enough free updates, I think it's time you considered why they should. Flame away.))
Now seriously, if ANet had not announced new PvE skills, would you even have considered it and complain about there being no PvE skills? I...highly doubt that.
Anyway /notsigned (Surprise Surprise?)
If a group wants to...risk...PuGing, they should get the advantage, especially since their monk could secretly bring in healing breeze after the leader has asked them to ping their bar...oh wait...
If you're gonna say how guild groups get the advantage this way...get a guild.
Want it on your heroes? Personally, I'd say go play WoW.
((But seriously people, ask yourselves. If all ANet gets after doing a free update is bitching and whining, do you think they'll do it often? Personally, I think I'd do more free updates if I was getting thanks for it rather than this. Yes folks, this is a free update, you did not pay for this =P If you're gonna whine about ANet not doing enough free updates, I think it's time you considered why they should. Flame away.))
bhavv
Aphraelyn, I as well as 75% of the forum community (on GWO) have been complaining a long time to make hero teams better able for HM. We would still be complaining about this even if PVE only skills hadnt been added to the game, in other ways like improve henchmen e.t.c.
There is absolutely no valid reason so far why these skills should not be usable by heroes. Pugging is something the majority of skilled players will not do for a very good reason.
And regardless of how good a guild you are in, you are not going to be able to make a team of 8 players to do whatever you want,when you want.
There is absolutely no valid reason so far why these skills should not be usable by heroes. Pugging is something the majority of skilled players will not do for a very good reason.
And regardless of how good a guild you are in, you are not going to be able to make a team of 8 players to do whatever you want,when you want.
Gli
I must be pretty frigging daft, because I really can't see how asking for a new feature constitutes bitching and whining. But it must be, because even a mod says so, mmm? I must be a real dumbass.
Bryant Again
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Sometimes I really wonder why ANet continue to add additional stuff. If they hadn't introduced these new skills at all, there would be no complaining at all. Not whatsoever. Nope, but everytime ANet adds something new, you can count on people finding something to whine and bitch about on the forums.
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((But seriously people, ask yourselves. If all ANet gets after doing a free update is bitching and whining, do you think they'll do it often? Personally, I think I'd do more free updates if I was getting thanks for it rather than this. Yes folks, this is a free update, you did not pay for this =P If you're gonna whine about ANet not doing enough free updates, I think it's time you considered why they should. Flame away.))
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I must be pretty frigging daft, because I really can't see how asking for a new feature constitutes bitching and whining. But it must be, because even a mod says so, mmm? I must be a real dumbass.
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Aphraelyn
So why don't you keep asking them to improve henchies rather than ask for these new skills to be usable by heroes? Ah right, because these skills are so overpowered that giving them to heroes would be better than improving henchies? Of course, I agree with you 100% there, not being sarcastic at all.
Yeah...I guess it's probably best if these skills were usable by heroes...ANet, WTB Extreme Mode for some actual difficulty now please?
Yeah...I guess it's probably best if these skills were usable by heroes...ANet, WTB Extreme Mode for some actual difficulty now please?
Bryant Again
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So why don't you keep asking them to improve henchies rather than ask for these new skills to be usable by heroes? A would be better than improving henchies?
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bhavv
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So why don't you keep asking them to improve henchies rather than ask for these new skills to be usable by heroes?
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Been there, done that, Gaile posted saying its a good idea suggesting they really would implement it.
The Jokes on us because they still couldnt care less.
Artdeux
Hero's can only use skills that are unlocked on the account. The PvE skills are never really unlocked, so eh.
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/notsigned due to my hate of Heros.
Anyway:
/notsigned due to my hate of Heros.
Aphraelyn
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10162006
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Longasc
These skills make things already braindead easy. 1 Person is enough, a party with these skills is insane.
We do not need to give them to heroes, too. It is already overkill.
We are killing our own game and gaming experience by making the game super easy.
We do not need to give them to heroes, too. It is already overkill.
We are killing our own game and gaming experience by making the game super easy.
majoho
Nah, better not
(even though I solo 99% of the time)
(even though I solo 99% of the time)
darktyco
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If a group wants to...risk...PuGing, they should get the advantage, especially since their monk could secretly bring in healing breeze after the leader has asked them to ping their bar...oh wait...
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If you're gonna say how guild groups get the advantage this way...get a guild.
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Want it on your heroes? Personally, I'd say go play WoW.
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((But seriously people, ask yourselves. If all ANet gets after doing a free update is bitching and whining, do you think they'll do it often? Personally, I think I'd do more free updates if I was getting thanks for it rather than this. Yes folks, this is a free update, you did not pay for this =P If you're gonna whine about ANet not doing enough free updates, I think it's time you considered why they should. Flame away.))
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