New Kurzick/Luxon Skill double faction exploit

Aaaah, right ok, fair point. I'd say that this is kind of a loop-hole though, as HM still has stronger foes, it's just that Worms are over-powered. The bonus for this "difficulty" is what makes LB farming easier. The faction double was added without such justification, which I believe is the cause of the confusion.

Not sure whether the devs intended for the GH NPC thing or not, but either way it is a justified double because now the Allegiance title went from something that only people who do hardcore fast faction farming 24/7 and nothing else wanted and would get, to something every player wants and hopes to get. Keeping the old standard is way, way too tedious for a non-hardcore FFFing player to get. Even with the double, it's still way too tedious.

I'm glad this glitch (maybe) got mentioned. So now, we can max the befriending titles by doing 5,000 ABs instead of 10,000 (assuming you are able to win half the time which means you average about 1,000 faction per game).

I noticed that there is balance to this too.

You can choose to acquire the titles at the same rates as the old way and with added supplemental amber/jade income that you didn't get before,

or

You can choose to get the titles twice as fast as the old way, but to do so you have to sacrifice all of that supplemental income.

That's just too stupid, a bad exploit for sure.

Too bad I won't even be able to use it since it will be fixed by the time I get to buy faction-skills, damnit

I agree with majoho xD I won't be able to use this exploit; but who of who posted here is not using it? I bet everyone are doing so : / Anet will just fix it for sure....useless to discuss anymore about it. I mean my favourite character is the first one Icreated; this nice guy cannot access anymore survivor titles, LDoA, and he identified soooo many items when there was not the title track that he could already be maxed rank; and do you even know how much I played to get verata's sacrifice when the day after the update for non elite skills came out? It's a crap and we cannot do anything : /

I'm more worried about the price of jade/amber crashing now that there's no reason _not_ to do this. ABs, FA, and other Factions games are going to become very unprofitable.

qft...

Why're the rest you complaining that it's much easier to make progress in the titles because of this FEATURE?

I just think everyone should make progress with the same amount of faction as others. Donating 3k towards amber and 3k to a skill should progress you the same.

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Thats exactly what this is. I just dont see why one way gets you a title with less faction earned than another way.

This is worse than the XP doppelganger exploit and they banned a bunch of people for it permanently.
That was just an XP glitch but this is disgusting how someone can pull this trick and belittle someone elses hard work.

Surely it's an oversight by Anet? Just incase, i wouldn't risk this method even if i could.

Anet?

Its a shame that it isnt doubled for other methods of transferring faction. If it is intentional. ALTHOUGH i do remember one time i got 10k faction recorded for only putting 5k in a while back. but it hasnt done it since then, so it might be a bug.

Oh btw i didnt see them banning people for the urgoz "exploit", and thats much worse than an xp exploit(never heard of it though)

is there any official word on whether this is a spl0it or not? I would like my faxion, but, I dont want to be banned for spl0itz.

It's most definitely not an exploit, just a way to gain the title which is seen as unfair by some.

Yeah i'm starting to think this was intentional... whether they overlooked that people can just create new chars and get the skills immediately is another question.

But it does indeed lower the benefits you get. You either donate it to your alliance, which most alliance could've give a flying 1 about. Or use it for Amber/Jadite which net you a small profit. Or just keep buying faction.

I think its slightly too late to really care... people who have any chance of maxing the title without putting in LOTS of effort over the next few months will already be a fair way to maxing this. For the rest of us it just makes attaining a decent level on the title possible sooner.

I've worked out that at the current rate i've been farming faction via boss runs i could have Saviour of the Kurzicks in about 100 days using the double faction method. Something that would mean i'd be doing very little else other than farm faction for those 100 days. But really, anyone who is gonna max this title is doing it for the skills. I am tempted... but seriously... is it worth the effort...

Would be funny if you gained rank 16 on these skills if you maxed both Luxon and Kurzick Allegience though ^^

Exchanging faction points for Kurzick/Luxon skills will also give progress toward these titles.

I think it is worth it if you do the vanquishing stuff in luxon/Kurzick territory. Why? Because you will be slaying mobs anyway.
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Regardless of it is an exploit or not, it is hardly imbalanced. In essence it is paying whatever is market price of amber/jadeite for 1000 luxon/kurzick faction instead of cashing out for materials. That is basically what it was before the update, when you handed in faction to the NPC for your alliance.

I already have Leg Vanquisher... and the rate of gain from vanquishing entire areas is much lower than the rate of gain from doing a boss run over and over. We vanquished the whole of Eternal Grove explorable earlier (took a detour to check out the other bosses) in 40 minutes, gaining us i think it was about 4k-4.5k faction. When we get 2.5k-3k from just doing the boss run in ~15 minutes.

It'll take a few 1000 runs of this area to get to 10 million faction... seriously... i'm not really sure i have the patience. The same goes for the people i'm doing it with.

Sucks that i don't get the title bonus on my other account

I can't understand why someone who is using faction they earned from ab or quests to get money get the same amount towards their title than those who donate towards an alliance. Thats like havening the same quality drops for hard mode and normal. It makes it pointless to take the more challenging (and what should be more rewarding) course.

No one knew that a useless title, that took forever to max, would suddenly become useful. Because no one knew, most people saw exchanging faction for Amber/Jade to be a better choice, since you could get money.

We'll pass along your concerns about this to the designers.

im guessing its not an exploit by what gaile said.

Your right, this may well be how it was intended all along. After all Gaile did not say this was an exploit.

Personally I think it is a good idea, but then I am sure almost everyone that does not have 10 mil luxon/kurzick faction would say it is a good idea

Even Wiki is informing people of the double faction.

Other threads on this forum have come up with other ways to increase your faction, from double title track points for submitting to guild to exchanging merchant fodder golds for faction.

All these should be considered by anet rather than just wading in with the nerf stick just because some bitter individuals start crying.

Not an exploit. and I don't like the idea of requiring your guildies to send 'proof' of donations atc. Remember this is a game, and you should allow your guildies to play how they like to play. If they want amber, let them get it.

It's their time, their character and their decision what to do with their faction.

Its certainly not an exploit and hopefully will not be removed because of some people here complaining about this. Sunspear and lightbringer is 50k maxed out and Kurzick/Luxon with 10 Millions is just insane without the double faction method. Grinding ftw.

me neither, time to exploit !

thanks for telling us!

Ok Gaile didn't say it is an exploit....but seriously 10 milions is crazy....as crazy is the 10k item needed to get max rank in wisdom title....I must get lvl1 at this title as soon as I can xD

this is damn sweet! thanks anet

So sad to see so many people who refuse to realize this is an exploit and was not intentional. (The extra reward was intentional but not endlessly creating and deleting characters to cash in on it).

Can you imagine the blurb on the game box if this was an actual "feature":

"Create disposable characters over and over again so you can farm faction!"
Wow, must be an awesome game with a feature like that.

And I really like how quick people are to jump on Gaile's post and immediately interpret it to their advantage. "Well she didn't specifically say its an exploit so it must be okay." Until I see your forum names show up in red I am pretty sure your conclusions are unfounded. Lets see what she comes back with after running this by the designers.

I thought HM brought a ned level and a new max?

True or False: removing the ability to acquire these skills in the Guild Hall would resolve the issue, while still allowing people to get a small double boost their first time through Factions with each character, after getting the first rank in the title.

-shadguy

town ownership, it's serious business.

If it is an exploit, it's not a very effective exploit. It would still take hundreds and hundreds of hours of extremely boring "grinding the same thing one thing endlessly thousands and thousands of times gameplay" to max the title using the "exploit."

What Anet should do is declare it not to be an exploit and increase the bonus reward it gives 10x.

I would like to thank Gaile for passing this onto the designers, so they can decide whether to leave this as part of the game.

What most people don’t seem to understand is the Kurzick/Luxon titles are account wide titles, and are supposed to take a long time to get. Comparisons to character based titles like LB are useless since getting the max title on all 10 different character classes (soon to be 12) would or should take a similar amount of time. This is also an account based title which doesn’t cost any platinum to get.

I (among many others) am in a Faction gathering alliance which specializes in the fast gathering of faction for the purpose of owning a town to take advantage of the discounted merchant items, accruing high level Kurzick titles quickly, and have the ultimate purpose of holding the Kurzick capitol of House Zu Heltzer.

The problem this update poses for me, and all the Kurzick/Luxon Faction guilds holding any town is since it takes a group effort to gather Faction quickly, it isn’t fair that the dedicated guild members who are working to donate their faction to the guild are helping amber farmers and some key/lock pick resellers in their personal gain who infiltrate our guilds/alliances. It takes our easy way of tracking non-donators who don't help the guild/alliance in any way keep its status since a screenshot of their Hero’s title is now useless.

Because 10K Kurzick faction takes one of our groups 35 minutes to accrue, we attract so many amber farmers, key/lock pick resellers, and now it seems double-faction skill gatherers, with no easy way to track them; it isn’t too hard to realize why I don’t like this update. We require a minimum faction donation which every member we recruit knows about upfront, and agrees to when they join our guild/alliance. Anyone who has a problem with the fact that we track this faction donation can chose not to join our guild/alliance since many smaller alliances with towns don’t track what their members donate. What our members get in return is almost 24/7 access to Faction Farming groups, (since you need a minimum of 5 people who know what they are doing to get 10K faction in 35 minutes), training, and easy access to House Zu Heltzer’s elite mission.

Flame me all you want, but if an update affected your guild/alliance as much as this one does mine and many others, you would be complaining about it as well, especially one which can be exploited by repeatedly creating and deleting characters.

This post has served its purpose, so I thank all the comments for and against my point of view.

~~Valens

I find it incredibly ironic that someone from a massive faction farming alliance is complaining about a possible exploit. There could be a strong case for calling the "FFF" run an exploit as well. Where is your indignation on that issue?

Okay, so let me see... You're upset that people can get double faction towards their title by a supposed exploit. And yet you use the Melandru's Hope quest exploit to benefit your own alliance?

It seems like in the next update they should fix THAT exploit. It'd cause people to actually WORK for the faction they gain. It'd be interesting to see if the same alliances are in control of towns.

Well i think they made that quest repeatable for a reason

A bit off-topic for this thread, but I will give you my view on this topic:

Since there are numerous guides on how to complete this REPETABLE quest posted on just about every GW sight, I’m sure Anet has known about it for quite some time. Because it takes the teamwork of 5-8 people to accomplish, Anet doesn’t seem to mind that many of us are doing it, or think that it is being exploited. When they make changes which make it much harder to attain the faction from this quest, we will adapt, and make changes to our builds, do more AB, or find another way to gain Faction.

It takes 1000 10K faction drops to get your Savior of the Kurzick/Luxon, so at a rate of 10K per day, it will take you almost 3 years to gain the max title, so learning how to do 30K/day and getting it in a year doesn’t seem like that much of an exploit to me.

If Anet wants us to gain the titles faster or slower, they will introduce those methods now that there are skills associated with them. We shall soon find out if constantly creating and deleting a level 1 character is one of those methods.

~~Valens

I'm not gonna lower myself to your level so the answer to your question is a NO.

Monday June 18 patch notes:

Characters must now be level 20 to learn Kurzick or Luxon skills.
Using the "Raise Alliance reputation" option with the Kurzick/Luxon faction reward NPCs now gives 10,000 points toward the corresponding title track. The cost is still 5,000 faction points, and the reputation gained by the alliance is still 5,000.

Good decisions if you ask me.
The exploit has been removed, but we can still get the titles twice as fast, while helping our alliance.
GJ Anet