Is anyone else tired of all the ANET bashing?
Rocky Raccoon
I constantly see people on this forum say ANET can do no right and are always messing things up. While they are not perfect I think they do a very good job and deserve credit for the good things they do. I just would like to see how may more people agree with my feelings, please let me know. I know that I am about to get flamed and called a Fanboy, but in all reality what is wrong with saying good things about a game you enjoy.
Malice Black
Yes and no. Some of it is justified.
MrFuzzles
It's common practice with any mmo. People play mmo's for a lot longer than other game genres, which makes the bugs and imbalances stand out and really become a thorn in your side if you let it.
GW is definately one of the most polished mmo's out there, but no computer software is without bugs and no game is perfectly balanced (let alone a game with 10 classes and literally hundreds of skills).
Some people let's it get to them more than others to the point of finding it unacceptable. That's when the bashing starts.
GW is definately one of the most polished mmo's out there, but no computer software is without bugs and no game is perfectly balanced (let alone a game with 10 classes and literally hundreds of skills).
Some people let's it get to them more than others to the point of finding it unacceptable. That's when the bashing starts.
Chop it Off
no offense, but if u dont wanna see anet getting bashed, don't visit the public forums.
there isn't a single forum for ANY game where the community doesn't bash the game manufacturer.
people complain, fact of life, deal with it tbh.
there isn't a single forum for ANY game where the community doesn't bash the game manufacturer.
people complain, fact of life, deal with it tbh.
Bryant Again
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no offense, but if u dont wanna see anet getting bashed, don't visit the public forums.
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Ork Pride
No, I'm not tired of it at all.
onerabbit
more bashing imo ...
i mean look how much bashing it took to minimize trade spam ..
now few more months of bashing and we might see some action against bots
im supprised theres no auction house though .. weve been bashing about that for months!
*End sarcasm* ive never bashed anet =]
i mean look how much bashing it took to minimize trade spam ..
now few more months of bashing and we might see some action against bots
im supprised theres no auction house though .. weve been bashing about that for months!
*End sarcasm* ive never bashed anet =]
Mr. G
[skill]Backbreaker[/skill]
.....sorry what was the question?
.....sorry what was the question?
lyra_song
you mean [skill]Hammer Bash[/skill] ?
Sometimes i bash Anet. Sometimes I defend Anet.
Theyve done things wrong and need criticism. Theyve done things right and deserve applause.
Sometimes i bash Anet. Sometimes I defend Anet.
Theyve done things wrong and need criticism. Theyve done things right and deserve applause.
Warrior Of The Toon
I would guess that roughly half of the posts on just about any mmo or mmo-like game are some kind of bash on the devs, but that's life and you aren't gonna be able to stop it. If they introduced a no dev bashing rule tomorrow, people would just complain about free speech, some conspiracy that gwg are working with the devs, a bit of spam, and then a lot of the user base would go to some other forum.
Oh and I dislike bashing, but accept that it is here, and will forever exist...
Oh and I dislike bashing, but accept that it is here, and will forever exist...
OI-812
A.net DESERVES a lot of the flak they catch. Their vigorous nerfbat swinging has come around to bite them in the ass.
Dear A.Net: I would like to tell you a story. Once there was this MMO called Dark Age of Camelot. DAoC is pretty much dead now. Know why? Because they nerfed EVERYTHING. They nerfed classes, skills, drops... Now, in DAoC's twilight, they are scrambling to go to the other extreme, and easymode the entire game. That will be you. You will repeat their mistake, and you will repeat Diablo 2's mistakes, and so many others. You will go belly-up, Guild Wars 2 will flop, and A.Net will cease to exist, leaving so many heartbroken gamers with the memory of a gaming legacy that could have been. You are headed down a dark road, with your nerfbat.
BTW, be very careful about praising A.Net, or anyone else for that matter. They let it go to their head far too often. You are the customer. They are the vendor. Your job is to complain about every little thing in GW that annoys you. It is their job to bend over backwards to please their customers. THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. This is not a matter of being friends with them. There are no friends in business arrangements. We have money, which they want. It is up to them to EARN that money.
Now, A.Net: Put your damn g-string back on, get back up on the stage of public criticism and MAKE US HAPPY.
Dear A.Net: I would like to tell you a story. Once there was this MMO called Dark Age of Camelot. DAoC is pretty much dead now. Know why? Because they nerfed EVERYTHING. They nerfed classes, skills, drops... Now, in DAoC's twilight, they are scrambling to go to the other extreme, and easymode the entire game. That will be you. You will repeat their mistake, and you will repeat Diablo 2's mistakes, and so many others. You will go belly-up, Guild Wars 2 will flop, and A.Net will cease to exist, leaving so many heartbroken gamers with the memory of a gaming legacy that could have been. You are headed down a dark road, with your nerfbat.
BTW, be very careful about praising A.Net, or anyone else for that matter. They let it go to their head far too often. You are the customer. They are the vendor. Your job is to complain about every little thing in GW that annoys you. It is their job to bend over backwards to please their customers. THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. This is not a matter of being friends with them. There are no friends in business arrangements. We have money, which they want. It is up to them to EARN that money.
Now, A.Net: Put your damn g-string back on, get back up on the stage of public criticism and MAKE US HAPPY.
mr_groovy
[skill]You're All Alone![/skill]
Ever tried selling lately, ever tried farming lately? Just killed over 90 monsters in hard mode and got one crappy req 13 scythe from a boss to show for it.
You would do good putting on some [skill]frigid armor[/skill].
Tell me again why party search din't get a string length increase for trading?
Ever tried selling lately, ever tried farming lately? Just killed over 90 monsters in hard mode and got one crappy req 13 scythe from a boss to show for it.
You would do good putting on some [skill]frigid armor[/skill].
Tell me again why party search din't get a string length increase for trading?
Verteiron
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A.net DESERVES a lot of the flak they catch. Their vigorous nerfbat swinging has come around to bite them in the ass.
Dear A.Net: I would like to tell you a story. Once there was this MMO called Dark Age of Camelot. DAoC is pretty much dead now. Know why? Because they nerfed EVERYTHING. They nerfed classes, skills, drops... |
OI-812
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Stop it, I'm having flashbacks to Ragnarok Online.
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makosi
As much as I hate to sit on the fence, I do when it comes to bashing Anet. (ouch, crotch splinters.)
They can do whatever they want to their game but changes, like loot scaling, weren't justified to the community. If they provide a valid reason for doing so then I don't condemn them even though I might not agree with their decisions.
I do like the weekend events. Whether its a clever ploy to keep us sucked in until EotN is released or if it is plainly to entertain us, I know 9 times out of 10 they please me.
They can do whatever they want to their game but changes, like loot scaling, weren't justified to the community. If they provide a valid reason for doing so then I don't condemn them even though I might not agree with their decisions.
I do like the weekend events. Whether its a clever ploy to keep us sucked in until EotN is released or if it is plainly to entertain us, I know 9 times out of 10 they please me.
DreamCatcher
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A.net DESERVES a lot of the flak they catch. Their vigorous nerfbat swinging has come around to bite them in the ass
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In my opinion they deserve a lot of FEEDBACK on the changes they made to the game. I find they might wanna attempt to do more about making clear why they make certain changes but sometimes the forums make me think that there must be atleast 1 post saying something in the spirit of "OMFG U BROKE [ insert updated skill here ] U IDIATS NOW FIX IT". This I hardly call feedback, it sounds more like a demand.
I would personally like to see more positive feedback going towards anet and perhaps more feedback from anets side to why they make certain changes. Also it would be nice if they made changes sooner to things that are in fact broke (like this post here, my surviver died at vizunah square at lvl 19 even though the same bug had been known for a year without it being fixed).
To answer to the OP, yes, I do find that, despite their errors, they are doing a pretty good job. They could still improve by a significant margin but frankly, so can the people that give their feedback via this (and other) forum.
trobinson97
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Woohoo! Someone get's it! That's QFT by the way.
makosi
^ That's very well in business theory but Anet isn't selling toilet roll. We have already bought the product(s) we're using and when they change it for the better or for worse the only real way of protesting is by not buying the next chapter. If a toilet roll felt like sandpaper, I'd buy a different brand the next time. If you're sick of Anet's decisions, play a different RPG.
OI-812
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If you're sick of Anet's decisions, play a different RPG.
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HawkofStorms
Welcome to the internet.
Pretty much every single gaming forum on the history of the planet is like this.
Pretty much every single gaming forum on the history of the planet is like this.
Age
We do it all the time over on Star Trek-Gamers just go and look what we said about Bethesda.We will bash criticize game developers and pubishers as we represent the game players not the industry.
kade
Constructive criticism is fine, unfortunately that rarely occurs anymore. I feel sorry for A-Net and the Guru mods alike as this forum (Riverside in particular) has drowned completely in a sea of whiners and complainers.
Buster
You just can't please everyone, it is just that simple.
SerenitySilverstar
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Welcome to the internet.
Pretty much every single gaming forum on the history of the planet is like this. |
How about we make a change to our humanity? How about we start the revolution to make gamers respected? Let's make the Guild Wars community the one that turned the industry around, so that gamers were WORTH dealing with, instead of being reviled.
Let's try "discussing" and "constructive critique" without emotions blurring the line between fact and opinion.
darktyco
I think a lot of people (including myself) have had legitimate complaints regarding recent updates. Personally I have been voicing my negative opinions about some of the decisions ANet has made, but I haven't been bashing them in the slightest.
Kook~NBK~
Yes, I'm tired of all the whining that goes on in these forums. Every week someone starts a thread complaining about the upcoming weekend event. I've got an idea! A-Net should do away with weekend events all together. That way, everyone woud be whining about the same thing, but it would only last for a few weeks! 
Constructive, open, respectful discussion is one thing and definitely is needed. But I see way too many posts that are nothing but a whine-fest.
And the notion that "The customer is always right" is just plain wrong. If you think it's not, my first question to you is "Which customer? The one that purchased 50 or 100 copies of GW to start up his own bot-farming/gold selling business? Or maybe it's the guy who thinks that every weekend event should revolve around him?" Or could it possibly be the one who uses an overpowered skill as a crutch who suddenly finds that it's been nerfed into reasonableness (is that even a word?) and crys "unfair?"
Constructive, open, respectful discussion is one thing and definitely is needed. But I see way too many posts that are nothing but a whine-fest.
And the notion that "The customer is always right" is just plain wrong. If you think it's not, my first question to you is "Which customer? The one that purchased 50 or 100 copies of GW to start up his own bot-farming/gold selling business? Or maybe it's the guy who thinks that every weekend event should revolve around him?" Or could it possibly be the one who uses an overpowered skill as a crutch who suddenly finds that it's been nerfed into reasonableness (is that even a word?) and crys "unfair?"
KANE OG
As a Semi-Professional anet basher, I feel I need to chime in. I'll dis them any time they do something stupid, just like anyone on these forums will to me when I SAY something stupid.
The AoE nerf was smart. Loot-scaling is stupid. Kiting AI Monks is smart. Nerfing popular PvE/farming skills because of abuse in PvP is stupid. The spam bans thing is smart. Letting leechers get away with their crap is stupid. Extra storage was smart. Runes and insignia's not stacking is stupid.
Yeah, I say "good job" when I like something, but I bash the hell away when I don't. Don't like it? Don't read it.
KANE
The AoE nerf was smart. Loot-scaling is stupid. Kiting AI Monks is smart. Nerfing popular PvE/farming skills because of abuse in PvP is stupid. The spam bans thing is smart. Letting leechers get away with their crap is stupid. Extra storage was smart. Runes and insignia's not stacking is stupid.
Yeah, I say "good job" when I like something, but I bash the hell away when I don't. Don't like it? Don't read it.
KANE
Rocky Raccoon
I think I stated in my post that they were not perfect, but I think they got a lot of things right and when they do we should let them know. I think you can constructively give opinions and ideas without the rude, ignorant behavior of many people who post. It just seems like people have forgotten how to state thing politely, and if I were ANET I would be more apt to act on suggestions that were written in a civil way.
Did you ever stop to think that is what ANET does to rude bashers.
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Yeah, I say "good job" when I like something, but I bash the hell away when I don't. Don't like it? Don't read it.
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Eldin
I'm quite tired of it. Whilst many (actually, all) MMORPGs have bashing here and there, it feels like quite a bit of GWGuru is now a "BoohooGuru" forum. First it was because of Soul Reaping. Then Gaile claiming to be banning players for minor cursing and profanity. Then, umm, skill-related stuff. Now, umm, more things.
Personally, the best solution is for ANet to get on with GW:EN. We'll all be happy for about a week before we start criticizing things.
Personally, the best solution is for ANet to get on with GW:EN. We'll all be happy for about a week before we start criticizing things.
Gawa
Yes, Im utterly fed up with the bad attitude that some people display here, basing ANet any and every chance they get.
Some of you don't get it even now.... bashing ANet is not good, for you, me, the forum, or anyone. It is in fact counter productive.
Does this mean we have to be happy about everything? Of course not. However, being unhappy, should not mean that can't be respectful or at least civil.
On the other hand: intelligent, mature, constructive critique, discussion, suggestion, debate...all of that is great and develops the game and ourselves.
That is what forums are for and what we need more of! Showing off our collective passion for the game and community. Sharing our talents and ideas.
Not bashing someone or other and which only starts a flamefest and ruins threads.
We have a privilege - direct access to the eyes and ears of the reps and devs of our favorite game!!! Think on that a moment..
Respect always is a two way thing. How about we try and show some respect to ANet and in turn show that we as a community can gain the respect of Anet.
Being known as a forum which is filled with quite a number of people who will bash ANet in any thread, and will always turn a negative light on something, does influence the future.
I am confident that if we were known as a community whose ideas were solid and not filled with stupid whinging/bashing/flaming posts... that our threads would be filled with much greater clarity and that the points in them would ring out clearer and truer to ANet.
I urge all of us to just give everyone a little more respect when posting please. Not just between ANet and us, but also between each other.
The pen is mightier than the sword...remember that and also remember that words can be cheap and quickly let loose, but they can be long remembered.
Don't make your own words cheap.
Let your words be remembered for something great.
<- read my wee avatar and think of the words next time you go to post ;P
Some of you don't get it even now.... bashing ANet is not good, for you, me, the forum, or anyone. It is in fact counter productive.
Does this mean we have to be happy about everything? Of course not. However, being unhappy, should not mean that can't be respectful or at least civil.
On the other hand: intelligent, mature, constructive critique, discussion, suggestion, debate...all of that is great and develops the game and ourselves.
That is what forums are for and what we need more of! Showing off our collective passion for the game and community. Sharing our talents and ideas.
Not bashing someone or other and which only starts a flamefest and ruins threads.
We have a privilege - direct access to the eyes and ears of the reps and devs of our favorite game!!! Think on that a moment..
Respect always is a two way thing. How about we try and show some respect to ANet and in turn show that we as a community can gain the respect of Anet.
Being known as a forum which is filled with quite a number of people who will bash ANet in any thread, and will always turn a negative light on something, does influence the future.
I am confident that if we were known as a community whose ideas were solid and not filled with stupid whinging/bashing/flaming posts... that our threads would be filled with much greater clarity and that the points in them would ring out clearer and truer to ANet.
I urge all of us to just give everyone a little more respect when posting please. Not just between ANet and us, but also between each other.
The pen is mightier than the sword...remember that and also remember that words can be cheap and quickly let loose, but they can be long remembered.
Don't make your own words cheap.
Let your words be remembered for something great.
<- read my wee avatar and think of the words next time you go to post ;P
KANE OG
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Did you ever stop to think that is what ANET does to rude bashers.
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A good example would be the recent spamming in all chat threads that burst on the scene (including one of mine). Amazingly, something was done about it. It's not perfect, but it's a start.
KANE
Mr.H.Mishima
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Welcome to the internet.
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Now I realize that this structure is impossible with Anet and GW. But perhaps they could give a select group of players access to their beta builds, much more than they do. Those players could then, in turn, discuss the positives and negatives of the changes and how they made them work in beta build. This would give people time to prepare for the changes, rather than "Here's what we're doing in three days" or "here's today's update", both of which, simply don't work. You get a reactionary set of posts, endless bashing, and upset players and in turn, upset devs.
You really cannot take suggestions from the general population. Everybody thinks they are entitled to their suggestion being implemented simply because they think it's a good idea. People think that their suggestions are great just because 17 people on a forum agree with it. They fail to see the big picture in almost every case.
There has to be a change for this game to survive, and something like this would go a LONG way to improving tihings in GW.
ryanryanryan0310
Hey if we didn't bash A-net then these forums would be boring. If we were all peace & love the forums would suck and eveyone would leave.
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Everyone has there own Opinion.
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Everyone has there own Opinion.
Abarra
Excuse me.
Yes I'm fed up with all the anet bashing, but not because it goes on but because anet merit it. I'm fed up with all the nerfs, esp loot scaling, fed up of the way a net chooses to address problems by wedging square shapes into round holes to make it fit, and so are many others.
the OP didn't stop to consider that there are a lot of anet bashing threads because there are a lot of unhappy customers. There are more threads now than I have ever seen on guru and it's not because we've been infested by whiney people it is the dissatisfaction at guild wars.
with eyes of the north and GW 2 on the horizon anet should be trying to mend fences with customers not pushing them further and further away. They seem to think 'If we make it they will buy' forgetting that if people move onto another product they may never come back.
as for constructive critisism anet never listens to any critisism and continues to anger the gaming community. If they carry on expect there to be many more anet bashing posts as more and more people become disatisfied.
Don't get me wrong I think GW was a great game I've been playing on and off for nearly 2 years. But I think it's a bit broken now and a lot of the fun has gone. Shame... Oh well I wish them luck and hope they manage to get the half of the customer base they have upset back onside.
But back to topic, lots of complaints = lots of unhappy customers.
Yes I'm fed up with all the anet bashing, but not because it goes on but because anet merit it. I'm fed up with all the nerfs, esp loot scaling, fed up of the way a net chooses to address problems by wedging square shapes into round holes to make it fit, and so are many others.
the OP didn't stop to consider that there are a lot of anet bashing threads because there are a lot of unhappy customers. There are more threads now than I have ever seen on guru and it's not because we've been infested by whiney people it is the dissatisfaction at guild wars.
with eyes of the north and GW 2 on the horizon anet should be trying to mend fences with customers not pushing them further and further away. They seem to think 'If we make it they will buy' forgetting that if people move onto another product they may never come back.
as for constructive critisism anet never listens to any critisism and continues to anger the gaming community. If they carry on expect there to be many more anet bashing posts as more and more people become disatisfied.
Don't get me wrong I think GW was a great game I've been playing on and off for nearly 2 years. But I think it's a bit broken now and a lot of the fun has gone. Shame... Oh well I wish them luck and hope they manage to get the half of the customer base they have upset back onside.
But back to topic, lots of complaints = lots of unhappy customers.
SerenitySilverstar
No, the boards are rife with bashing at the moment, because human beings are prone to hysteria and moving in packs.
fog_of_redoubt
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I think I stated in my post that they were not perfect, but I think they got a lot of things right and when they do we should let them know.
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ChaoticCoyote
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I constantly see people on this forum say ANET can do no right and are always messing things up. While they are not perfect I think they do a very good job and deserve credit for the good things they do. I just would like to see how may more people agree with my feelings, please let me know. I know that I am about to get flamed and called a Fanboy, but in all reality what is wrong with saying good things about a game you enjoy.
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I must be doing *something* right.
For me, the game was great fun until the end of last year; the introduction of DoA and "hard" mode began what I see as a steady slide away from being casual and PvE friendly. Philosophically, ANet has charted a course I'm not happy with -- so I've quit playing.
Honestly, there are other games that can be very fun, and most of the WoW-bashing in these forums is from real fanboys who can't admit that maybe ANet has made some bad decisions of late.
I just spent a couple hours in LOTRO with my wife. Great fun.
Why am I here? Because I care enough about my time investment in GW that I want to see it improve and gain back the many people who ahve left. However, I'm not seeing much hope, so depending on how the game goes in the next few days, I will probably leave the forums as well.
Leaving silently doesn't help GW at all. Believe it or not, some of us criticize ANet because we know they care, and we know they've listened in the past, and we have VALID concerns about the game.
If you're thrilled with GW, then I'm glad you're happy. Me? I'm following my friends and family to other games...
Zinger314
It's a sweet irony. The pessimism which I've been flamed relentlessly for is now commonplace among these forums.
Regardless, this topic doesn't make a good distinction between ArenaNet bashing and ArenaNet critisizing. Bashing is baseless. Valid criticisms, such as those critising Andrew Patrick's post in that Community Relations, are helpful.
Regardless, this topic doesn't make a good distinction between ArenaNet bashing and ArenaNet critisizing. Bashing is baseless. Valid criticisms, such as those critising Andrew Patrick's post in that Community Relations, are helpful.
zerohaste
Yes and no.
I have no problem with people voicing their opinion on a change they didn't like, but it's the personal attacks against Anet (calling them idiots or... worse things I've seen) that get to me. There is simply no reason for it and I know that there isn't a single person on here who would like being attacked personally while they work.
I have no problem with people voicing their opinion on a change they didn't like, but it's the personal attacks against Anet (calling them idiots or... worse things I've seen) that get to me. There is simply no reason for it and I know that there isn't a single person on here who would like being attacked personally while they work.
Sir Green Aluminum
If you don't complain how do you expect them to know something's wrong? It's not like we're bashing them because the way they looked in magazine interviews or just for no reason.