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Can GW:EN renew Guild Wars?
Zinger314
Mordakai
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While GWEN MIGHT be fun for a bit, I think 18 dungeons will...overdo the entire concept. Its kinda like factions in the city...I could not WAIT to get out of that place, it seemed like it went on and on and on and on.
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That means: Lots of outposts. Nothing will piss me off more than if I have to restart a huge dungeon from the very beginning because my child needs me.
Not an insane amount of Mobs. One of my worse fears will be large amounts of mobs with no ability to dodge patrols. Sometimes, I just need to get to the next area ASAP, and plan to explore later.
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Prophecies was MUCH better at this point..you did a few missions, and you were off seeing a new landscape. ANet has a lot of making up to do if I am to buy GW2. I will buy GWEN so I can atleast see the ending, but starting a whole new game isn't appealing to me. Just my 2 cents
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Damus
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ah, the joys of people saying 'guild wars is fine the way it is'. Those are the quotes of:
a) newer players b) older players who don't have time to play (which is not a downside at all, family/RL > GW ANY day of the week) c) fake people trying to be the 'hero' of the forums. Guild Wars has lost its luster since April of 05. Period. |
Maximumraver
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I don't see GW as needing "renewing" at all. I'm still having a blast, and have been since day 1. GW:EN is just icing on the cake.
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ah, the joys of people saying 'guild wars is fine the way it is'. Those are the quotes of:
a) newer players b) older players who don't have time to play (which is not a downside at all, family/RL > GW ANY day of the week) c) fake people trying to be the 'hero' of the forums. |
d) Players that are having fun and actually like the game as it is.
Star Gazer
so then msecorsky, let me ask you, what is it that keeps you interested in the game? Have you beaten all 3 chapters with all your characters? just wondering, I have gotten bored after playing this game for 2+ years
AznDoDo
Yep, I'm totally having fun with GW right now. I had fun with Factions and NF, so I'm looking forward to GWEN. I guess I'm different than some of the people on this forum, who are speculating what the future of GW is gonna be, and then complaining about that. I'm personally content with all these past updates and Arena Net. If my "OMG PWNAGE" build got nerfed, I'll just make another one. After all, GW is sorta like a card game. When they began banning people for spamming trades in local chat, I thought it was awesome. I didn't think Arena Net was playing "big brother" and taking away too much freedom, like some people thought. And sure, leechers and leavers suck, but it near impossible to address these issues. I think most of these "nerfs" that Arena Net do are really just balance in the game, and for most part they are justified. I do agree, some of the nerfs are a little too far, but for now, I'm just gonna try something else and wait for that balance to be readjusted. And separate PVE and PVP? No thanks. GW is a PvE/PvP game, and Arena Net never intended to separate them. If people don't like Arena Net's actions lately, well, be prepared to be disappointed with GW:EN. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Darksun
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Some may think it has started recently with the mid-June, with the introduction of the PvE Skill Grind and little attention to PvP. Some may claim that it has begun to degenerate since Factions, due to the Faction grind and the creation of the instability in PvP. Whereever it began, Guild Wars has lost the magic from when it was released 4/27/05.
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Your assumptions are just that. I don't think GW needs any "renewing" an is much better than it started.
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Now, ArenaNet seeks to correct this imbalance with GW:EN. But can they do it?
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Also PvE skills, which have received mixed opinions on the forums with respect to their power level, will be a primary aspect of GWEN. With 50 PvE skills, how much of our skill bar will actually be from our primary profession? And with the skills, presumably, comes the grind, which has shown to be a disaster (Hello Kurzick/Luxon Allegiance!)
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I don't think that GW:EN will fix GW; there's way too much to fix. But alas, with the confirmed release date so soon (2 months), and with no preview event, we can only hope for the best.
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ah, the joys of people saying 'guild wars is fine the way it is'. Those are the quotes of:
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a) "Can't comprehend anyone thinking differently from you so you try to berate everyone with opposing viewpoints."
Every game looses it's luster because humans get tired of things period. It's a game, different people like different things.
To each his own.
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Grinding anything in a game doesn't impress or captivate me at all. The new things to do and new places to see is more my cup of tea.
AznDoDo
Darksun, quit ruining the fun. You're making too much sense.
Phantom Gun
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I am having a lot of fun as it is, so anything new will just add to it all. There will be an initial rush into the new areas, the usual complaints about this nerf or that buff. Certain items will be wildly overpriced early on, and people will complain that parts of it are too easy/too hard. I'm just gonna enjoy it.
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Series
zOMG! The fanboys found this thread. Quick, make another before this is burned to the ground in flames!
MSecorsky
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so then msecorsky, let me ask you, what is it that keeps you interested in the game? Have you beaten all 3 chapters with all your characters? just wondering, I have gotten bored after playing this game for 2+ years
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At this point in time it's the challenge of vanquishing with my first mesmer. Before hard mode I didn't realize how crappy my builds actually were for my heroes. You can get through normal mode with just about anything... hard mode is a different story. It's nice though, vanquishing... like seeing areas again for the first time, and more completely. For example, in Gyala Hatchery (explorable) there's a quarry area that features in the center this huge clear block of jadeite with a massive jellyfish type creature in it. Very nice. When I have limited time, I pop in ABs with my PvP mesmer for a quick release luring assassins and warriors to their deaths. Ah, Illusion is fun.
I haven't beaten all chapters with all characters. Each chapter got a new character (assassin for Factions, mesmer for Nightfall) that went all the way through (doing every quest and mission I could find), then I'd take mesmer #1 through. Some classes just don't appeal to me... warriors for example... so there's a few that pretty much hang idle while I mesmerize the world.
KamikazeChicken
Will GW:EN bring back PvPers? No
Will GW:EN hold over PvErs through GW2? No
Will GW:EN provide a period of activity among some MIA players? Of course.
GW:EN will spread people out more than they already are, while adding additional heroes to allow for the eventual population drop. People will get through the story, but PvE skills based on more titles (Gaile said it somewhere) is only going to turn people off to the game.
GW has been slowly sliding downhill since it went from Beta to release. A PvE-oriented expansion isn't going to save it.
Will GW:EN hold over PvErs through GW2? No
Will GW:EN provide a period of activity among some MIA players? Of course.
GW:EN will spread people out more than they already are, while adding additional heroes to allow for the eventual population drop. People will get through the story, but PvE skills based on more titles (Gaile said it somewhere) is only going to turn people off to the game.
GW has been slowly sliding downhill since it went from Beta to release. A PvE-oriented expansion isn't going to save it.
TabascoSauce
I think you are at the central issue, Zinger. If EotN is more grind, then what a waste of a fantastic game. I do not know what else to say - each game is always graphically beautiful, the voice acting is awful, and the roller coaster of nerfs and buffs will continue. It all comes down to grind. It is a huge turnoff to me, and to a large segment of the community that is continually leeching or quitting in AB. (sigh)
Keep up the new threads, BTW. At least you are making these lazy fanbois think.
Thanks!
TabascoSauce
Keep up the new threads, BTW. At least you are making these lazy fanbois think.
Thanks!
TabascoSauce
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GW has been slowly sliding downhill since it went from Beta to release.
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acidic
remake diablo in 3d and call it gw2 and i will buy 20 copies of it
sindex
EotN is going to be the last addition of Guild Wars, and it will keep most satisfied at best for about a 6 month to a year (by itself no updates included). The reason I think this is that it will be a big addition to GW, is because the team has been working on this more then a year now. The more time they have had the more astounding this expansion will be.
The huge thing is that no one has to start over again from the very get go, and can continue on to anywhere in EotN they desire (exception the final act). There will be no gates or doors blocking your progress from the looks of things. If it’s less linear people will have so much more fun then they ever did. Even the story looks to have added another layer of detail.
Yes the only thing I worry about is the grind for these new PvE skills. However if the grind is kept to a low minimum and the skills are well worth it themselves; I will have no problem with it.
The huge thing is that no one has to start over again from the very get go, and can continue on to anywhere in EotN they desire (exception the final act). There will be no gates or doors blocking your progress from the looks of things. If it’s less linear people will have so much more fun then they ever did. Even the story looks to have added another layer of detail.
Yes the only thing I worry about is the grind for these new PvE skills. However if the grind is kept to a low minimum and the skills are well worth it themselves; I will have no problem with it.
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i have several accounts with slot added and lots of different characters / professions. starting from the start.
i still have less than 2000 hours total time.
the only goal i have is to have fun doing whatever i feel like with whatever character i choose at that time.
i do not force myself to play for any other goal than that.
i dont buy
KEYS
UNNEEDED SKILLS
EXTRAS
as a result i can buy that Nightfall 15k armor for my favorite characters because i like the looks not that i have to because my friends would look down on anything less.
my heroes get hand me downs as i dont have to pimp them to keep up with the other players.
as for being bored and still playing i am not such a stupid idiot to do that.
i have seen several threads saying i have done everything and i am bored sick.
how can someone be so stupid?
read book
take a break
play another game
visit a RL friend
if the only/best thing you have is a game you are bored with i pity you.
if you are bored and bitch well............pathetic
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Darksun, quit ruining the fun. You're making too much sense.
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Everyone here is worlds greatest game developer, and has a perfect understanding of how well the game is actually doing.. So it makes sense that the minidevs here know the game is going downhill.. I mean..Gaile may have told us the # of players may be going up, but I sure she's lying.
AznDoDo
I think GW is very lenient in term of grinding. Honestly, I don't see why people are so concerned about the grinding. A huge majority of these "grinding" are totally optional. Titles are a grind, but they're all optional. If people think the Sunspear skills are grinding, then they just think PVE is grinding, cause I have no problem getting rank 7 with any characters in Elona. Luxon/Kurzick, yea that totally grinding, but guess what, the skill is PVE only too, and it totally optional. FoW armor are so expensive, takes alot of "grinding" to get one. Well guess what, it has the same stats as 1.5k armor. I may be from the woods, but I think that means FoW armor and elite armors are optional.
Getting skills and elite skills are grinding? I'll buy that. I admit before Elite Skill Tomes, you would have to grind your character to that boss location. Great addition with the Elite Skill Tome. And to get normal skills for your characters, you have to, like, develop your character, like, a RPG game? Nah, makes too much sense, let just play the grind card.
What about weapons? You would have to beat Faction or NF campaign to get a guarantee fairly decent wep/item. Totally grinding, I think. There are collectors that require 5 collectable drops to get a fairly decent maxed item. GRINDING! What nonsense is that? Having PVE character to PVE to get items. Screw it, just get the weapon unlocked for Pvp-Only. But that means I have to GRIND for Bath Factions. Have to do Training Arena, Zaishen Challenge, or Random Arenas to get those points. I have to use my PVP chars to PVP. That's so dumb! I hate this game. Reroll Doom, cause there no grinding in that game.
Dang maybe GW is a grind-fest game. They should just give everything to you when you first created your first character. That'll address this grinding problem.
Getting skills and elite skills are grinding? I'll buy that. I admit before Elite Skill Tomes, you would have to grind your character to that boss location. Great addition with the Elite Skill Tome. And to get normal skills for your characters, you have to, like, develop your character, like, a RPG game? Nah, makes too much sense, let just play the grind card.
What about weapons? You would have to beat Faction or NF campaign to get a guarantee fairly decent wep/item. Totally grinding, I think. There are collectors that require 5 collectable drops to get a fairly decent maxed item. GRINDING! What nonsense is that? Having PVE character to PVE to get items. Screw it, just get the weapon unlocked for Pvp-Only. But that means I have to GRIND for Bath Factions. Have to do Training Arena, Zaishen Challenge, or Random Arenas to get those points. I have to use my PVP chars to PVP. That's so dumb! I hate this game. Reroll Doom, cause there no grinding in that game.
Dang maybe GW is a grind-fest game. They should just give everything to you when you first created your first character. That'll address this grinding problem.
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Ive read every post here with care and until now I understood why people are frustrated with the game and these new changes, the new game will not bring the old days back thats something only we can do. Today I will delete every character I have along with every piece of vanity equipment, then I will use the gold to buy a simple weapon that appeases me, save some for max armor and start enjoying the game again as a newborn guildwars player. Why keep constantly adapting to changes you dont agree with, this way the changes are already part of the game when you start it. Anet can't bring back the old days when people actually cared more about having a good time with eachother, almost everyone in the entire player base is consistanly trying to get some sort of reward and then grind on to the next to show them they are better then others or show themselves they could do it. Think of this you already have those items, skills, whatsoever all they require is time. By deleting all my characters I will try to bring back the spirit of those old days when guildwars was fun, we have nothing to lose.
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Ive read every post here with care and until now I understood why people are frustrated with the game and these new changes, the new game will not bring the old days back thats something only we can do. Today I will delete every character I have along with every piece of vanity equipment, then I will use the gold to buy a simple weapon that appeases me, save some for max armor and start enjoying the game again as a newborn guildwars player. Why keep constantly adapting to changes you dont agree with, this way the changes are already part of the game when you start it. Anet can't bring back the old days when people actually cared more about having a good time with each other, almost everyone in the entire player base is consistanly trying to get some sort of reward and then grind on to the next to show them they are better then others or show themselves they could do it. Think of this you already have those items, skills, whatsoever all they require is time. By deleting all my characters I will try to bring back the spirit of those old days when guildwars was fun, we have nothing to lose.
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Series
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I think you are at the central issue, Zinger. If EotN is more grind, then what a waste of a fantastic game. I do not know what else to say - each game is always graphically beautiful, the voice acting is awful, and the roller coaster of nerfs and buffs will continue. It all comes down to grind. It is a huge turnoff to me, and to a large segment of the community that is continually leeching or quitting in AB. (sigh)
Keep up the new threads, BTW. At least you are making these lazy fanbois think. Thanks! TabascoSauce |
Phantom Gun
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zOMG! The fanboys found this thread. Quick, make another before this is burned to the ground in flames!
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Series
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Oh, i'm sorry. I didn't realise that liking the game I play is a bad thing.
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Rusty Deth
Everyone plays the game differently, so what one sees as an improvement another sees as a problem.
Alot of people from the PvE side have been wanting more areas like FOW, UW, and SF. And since release the demand for just an exspansion has been mentioned alot.
Is it enough to tie us over? I dunno, but people played GW for a year till Factions came out, and people are still playing across all 3 chapters. I don't see how another add-on can be a bad thing or force someone to rage quit.
btw I love how people say 'beta was the best" and "GW has been getting worse since April 05". So it was only good for about a month?
I been able to keep busy for the 26 months I put into it.
Alot of people from the PvE side have been wanting more areas like FOW, UW, and SF. And since release the demand for just an exspansion has been mentioned alot.
Is it enough to tie us over? I dunno, but people played GW for a year till Factions came out, and people are still playing across all 3 chapters. I don't see how another add-on can be a bad thing or force someone to rage quit.
btw I love how people say 'beta was the best" and "GW has been getting worse since April 05". So it was only good for about a month?
I been able to keep busy for the 26 months I put into it.
william1975
im nt worried about GW:EN i will enjoy playing as much as ever, but the main problem of guild wars is that not enough people are in certan places, that can't be fixed,
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Everyone plays the game differently, so what one sees as an improvement another sees as a problem.
Alot of people from the PvE side have been wanting more areas like FOW, UW, and SF. And since release the demand for just an exspansion has been mentioned alot. Is it enough to tie us over? I dunno, but people played GW for a year till Factions came out, and people are still playing across all 3 chapters. I don't see how another add-on can be a bad thing or force someone to rage quit. btw I love how people say 'beta was the best" and "GW has been getting worse since April 05". So it was only good for about a month? I been able to keep busy for the 26 months I put into it. |
Series
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Alot of people from the PvE side have been wanting more areas like FOW, UW, and SF. And since release the demand for just an exspansion has been mentioned alot.
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This could have been the Domain of Anguish but Anet made it ridiculously hard so that cheap tactics and glitches are the ONLY way to win, which is not fun in any way.
Voltar
dunno, my expectations pretty much stop at the fact that it will be released this year. my interest in the game tends to come and go (right now it's seriously coming...er...let's just say i'm into playing it atm) i took a break and played wow for a while then came back before factions...played a while then (for some weird reason) played the crap outta planetside (which is pretty much a dead game...wish i found it sooner) then came back a ways before nf and have been playing since (though i messed around with elder scrolls for while).
gwen will show up and probably be fun to play for a while and then hellgate: london will come out. probably going to play that (a lot of old friends are getting back together for that...back from the days of swg and jk2 and ut and stuff). though i'm undoubtably going to play the crap out of hellgate, i'm sure i'll at least pop into gw from time to time.
probably if i'd been playing gw solidly for the last 2 years, i'd be perma burned out and constantly wanting more and more from it. i'm glad i didn't.
edit: oh and i've been playing since beta...i know [i]i've[/] gotten better at the game since then (started as a secondary healer r/mo with some silly crap like ignite arrows and power shot or something)
gwen will show up and probably be fun to play for a while and then hellgate: london will come out. probably going to play that (a lot of old friends are getting back together for that...back from the days of swg and jk2 and ut and stuff). though i'm undoubtably going to play the crap out of hellgate, i'm sure i'll at least pop into gw from time to time.
probably if i'd been playing gw solidly for the last 2 years, i'd be perma burned out and constantly wanting more and more from it. i'm glad i didn't.
edit: oh and i've been playing since beta...i know [i]i've[/] gotten better at the game since then (started as a secondary healer r/mo with some silly crap like ignite arrows and power shot or something)
Mac Sidewinder
Wow this sure seems to stir up a lot of emotions on both sides of the issue.
Most of the "nay sayers" seem to be old school players that have been around for a long time. They've seen alot of changes (some good - some not so good) and now all they see is the game going downhill. Well if you got 2 years or so enjoyment out of playing with no monthly fees then you ought to feel great about the game. I can't think of a single game that I have played constantly for 2 years. People's moods and interests change - thats life.
I was introduced to GW by my son - we we're playing DAOC for about 1 1/2 years and finally got bored with it. Talk about grinding! If GW holds my interest for only a year then it was well worth the money I paid for it.
I guess the bottom line is if you don't like it - move on. If you like it but think some thing need to be changed - there are other places to make those suggestions. If nobody seems to take your suggestions and that makes you hate the game - again move on. Its totally pointless to keep playing a game that you don't enjoy. Find another that you do enjoy, but don't try to spoil the enjoyment of other people. I don't go on DAOC's forums and constantly try to convince other people how bad or screwed up the game is. I just choose not to play anymore.
As for myself - I am enjoying it for now. If and when it stops being fun then I will move on myself. And i'm sure that i'm not going to just sit and complain and try to convince other people how bad "I think" it is.
Mac
Most of the "nay sayers" seem to be old school players that have been around for a long time. They've seen alot of changes (some good - some not so good) and now all they see is the game going downhill. Well if you got 2 years or so enjoyment out of playing with no monthly fees then you ought to feel great about the game. I can't think of a single game that I have played constantly for 2 years. People's moods and interests change - thats life.
I was introduced to GW by my son - we we're playing DAOC for about 1 1/2 years and finally got bored with it. Talk about grinding! If GW holds my interest for only a year then it was well worth the money I paid for it.
I guess the bottom line is if you don't like it - move on. If you like it but think some thing need to be changed - there are other places to make those suggestions. If nobody seems to take your suggestions and that makes you hate the game - again move on. Its totally pointless to keep playing a game that you don't enjoy. Find another that you do enjoy, but don't try to spoil the enjoyment of other people. I don't go on DAOC's forums and constantly try to convince other people how bad or screwed up the game is. I just choose not to play anymore.
As for myself - I am enjoying it for now. If and when it stops being fun then I will move on myself. And i'm sure that i'm not going to just sit and complain and try to convince other people how bad "I think" it is.
Mac
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manitoba1073
Actually GW went downhill when Anerf decided to seperate PvE from PvP. And took real player skill outa PvP and put in Monkey see Monkey do PvP.
However the big question is will GW:EN satisfy enough current playerbase as it alone wont be bringing any new players into GW? I'm guessing around a sales number of 230000 - 300000 games will be sold for it. So its a bit iffy. As far as GW2 goes, Not on your life. Anerf has already shown numerous times they cant help but screw the player base over with so-called tweaks to game.
However the big question is will GW:EN satisfy enough current playerbase as it alone wont be bringing any new players into GW? I'm guessing around a sales number of 230000 - 300000 games will be sold for it. So its a bit iffy. As far as GW2 goes, Not on your life. Anerf has already shown numerous times they cant help but screw the player base over with so-called tweaks to game.
Voltar
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I MP I
I'll be getting the expansion for free thanks to a friend of mine who works @ Gamestop. As for whether or not it'll renew my interest for a game I haven't played in months remains to be seen. Either way, I won't feel bad about pissing money away like I did with GW Factions. Currently hooked on Sword of The New World: Granado Espada even though its in beta form. But thats ok, retail version is supposedly coming out july 10th. Also playing Fury and Tabula Rasa beta games. Getting back into guildwars will be hard either way thx to nerfs left & right in the name of balance and bot-battling.
bhavv
The only thing that will bring me back to PVE in GW is if it is balanced to be able to successfully hero/hench 100% of the game on HM.
And that is never going to happen. ANET dont want to give solo players any chance of having fun in GW.
And that is never going to happen. ANET dont want to give solo players any chance of having fun in GW.
Voltar
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The only thing that will bring me back to PVE in GW is if it is balanced to be able to successfully hero/hench 100% of the game on HM.
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AznDoDo
Many of the funny 'whiner thread' often the person has a female necromancer for their avatar. Some sort of trend?
Tactical-Dillusions
All the dungeons will be taken over by 5-man farming groups where only the elite and holy trinity need apply.
It happened in Sorrows Furnace, it happened in DoA, it happened in UW/FoW and the same fate awaits every other dungeon.
Anet needs to give every class a critical role in each dungeon IMO.
It happened in Sorrows Furnace, it happened in DoA, it happened in UW/FoW and the same fate awaits every other dungeon.
Anet needs to give every class a critical role in each dungeon IMO.