So very dissapointed

I have been playing GW for about 18 months, and I guess you could say I'm (I was*) a bit of a fanatic. My husband is also plays, and has been longer than I.

Having over 20 characters who have completed at least 1 campaign, many have finished 2, and some all 3. My main character has 12 maxed titles, including Legendary Cartographer, Legendary Skillhunter, Legendary Sunspear, and more. I also have a Legendary Lightbringer Elementalist native to Elona, who has finished all 3 campaigns, and 2 Legendary Survivors. (Assassin and Paragon) Thats not all, but it gives an idea of what kind of player I am. (admittedly insane, but that's beside the point)

Now, having given my background.
I would like to express my dissapointment in the recent announcements and changes to those announcements. In the PC Gamer Magazine I was excited about changes being introduced in GW:EN, most particularly I was happy about the level cap being increased for existing level 20 characters. Being able to develop my older characters beyond their current strengths and abilities was the most appealing to me.

Now I have read in the press release that this will not happen. So, not only will GW:EN become the end of GW, leading to GW 2, where my characters will be unable to go. (Hall of monuments...exactly who will care to see it besides me?) All that work, for nothing, for a title? An exclusive "something". Which will undoubtedly suck as much as any other "reward" we have seen.
All that work, all that time, all the promises and changes to those promises.
I wont even go into the fact that the skills that make the game the most fun are constantly "nerfed" due to pvp exploit. (I am a PvE player, exclusively)

Right now what is there to do in GW besides grind more titles? Nothing.

Long before GW 2 is released, the veteran players will go in search of new lands to explore, new stories to experience, and new characters to play with. I'm quite sure WOW and other MMORPG's will be more than happy to absorb the runoff.

Quite frankly, I'm considering running and not looking back. I've gone as far as I can, an officer in a large guild, finished all the content, have all the equipment and armor I want. I've enjoyed my time in GW, but its time to look elsewhere for exciting new content that will not lead to a brick wall and leave nothing to do but grind titles before its done.

I think Anet has cut its own throat, new people will continue to come and play, but those who have been faithful defenders of GW will be (and are) dropping off in droves.

Games can't stay intresting forever,thats the way it is.just take a break and come back with Gw:En.

I agree a break is what you need. I had GWBURNOUT a couple of months ago...quit playing for like 2 months...and now its interesting again :P

PC Gamer said that GW2 would raise the level cap, not Eye of the North.

Heck, it makes no sense to raise the level cap here - think about it, now you'd have characters over level 20 who could go back to the past 3 games (with high level content balanced for level 20 chars) and it would completely mess things up. It just doesn't make sense, unless you rebalanced the other games for the higher level cap, thus putting those that don't have Eye of the North at a disadvantage. It's an unrealistic expectation.

And any game, if played a LOT, is going to get you to the same brick wall eventually. If you play and play and play, you'll run out of content. Just like everything else in life.

Been playing 26 months, still am.

Obviously you played enough GW, everyone comes to that conclusion no matter what game their playing. Why should a MMO be any different.

Also whats your source that "people are dropping off in droves". If its this forum, thats a bit misleading.

OMG, a whiner! Whining is not appreciated on these forums! I vote we tar and feather the OP and burn him at the stake for this heresy!

It'll happen much earlier than that. Fallout 3 and Mass Effect will absorb the majority of the RPG lovers (and by the time both of those game are released players will be finished with GW:EN). Even high-profile non-RPG genre games like Halo 3 and Starcraft II will become a focal point for the gaming industry. GW2 will be lost within a swarm.

And at the risk of dragging this good thread off topic with ad hominem attacks...yes, I have already switched to WoW, and am much happier.

Guild Wars 2 will fix the problems introduced that made the game not fun when they created the 4 new professions. That's the bottom line.

Those are single player games with relatively short lifespans. People will play through them once, enjoy them thoroughly, and have plenty of time leftover to get sucked into an MMO. They aren't competing for the same gamer times at all.

GW2 will be a (financial) success simply because it's still the only AAA fee-free MMOG in town.

Compare it to a Final Fantasy game. Go buy a Final Fantasy game and play through it 20-25 times and see if you get bored of it. 18 months of play, and played through it 20-25 times is well worth the cost of the game.

They've said GW:EN will have ways for further character development although not levels. Why is this bad? So here's the thing, if it were boring why were you doing it?
Hey Zinger, if yer playing WoW, why are you here still out of curiosity? Is it just to stir the pot?

Source, as I said I am an officer in a large guild (alliance) and I see lots of people who used to play all the time, playing when WOW has scheduled maintenance. Also, hang out in any major town on WOW Downtime. See for yourself.

I agree I need a break, and I am frustrated.

sorry to go offtopic,but seeing someone first whine about the "grind"in Gw and then changing to Wow is the most ironic thing I have read in years.

I disagree. GW2 will be more popular than the original Guild Wars, for the very reasons some people here despise the idea of it:

Higher level cap (BTW, not promised in GWEN. Ever.)

New races.

Casual world vs. world PvP.

I think some holier-than-thou types here think that because Guild Wars no longer interests them, it must no longer interest anyone. I'm sure they'll point to less-than-expected GWEN sales to back up this "fact."

I will say right now GWEN will be be lowest selling GW product, simply because:

1) You already have to own a Chapter. So that limits it's customers to about 3 million.

2) Out of those 3 million, many have moved on, or are waiting for GW2. Perfectly reasonable.


But, I also believe current GW numbers and sales of GWEN will have very little to do with the success of GW2. By then, WoW will have gotten a bit stale I suspect. People will want to try something new. And since it has no monthly fee, there is no reason NOT to try it.

Time will tell of course. Who knows, maybe by the time GW2 comes out, even Zinger will pick it up!

I never said it wasnt worth the time or effort, and I have played FFXI...omg talk about grind...eww. I would just really like to be able to take the character(s) I've worked so hard on, farther.

I am simply dissapointed and frustrated and the forum is...uh...designed to be a place to express opinions and such about the game, soooo...

How the hell can you say, so early on, you don't even know all the details yet.

And on the subject of the OP, All game get boring if you play them as much as you do, take a break, you can play other games without actually quiting althougher.

There is 150 new skills to continue them on further. New places to go, new challenges to overcome. Raising the level cap would screw up the other campaigns, so they can't really do that as such. You can get new armor, new skills, and most likely new weapons.

Just take a break, come back to GW:EN, get your new skills, play with them a little bit, get some new armor, finish the game until you get bored. Grinding to get titles while you do not enjoy it is a waste of time. Some titles are fun yeah, such as protector titles, but the ones that are not fun are pointless to do for several reasons.

90% of the people standing in town won't look and don't care.
The "reward" for GW2 will likely be a holiday hat type thing.
Most have little benefit to your character.

Just do what you enjoy, when you quit enjoying it play something else. That's my theory on it.

Ok, you say you have over twenty characters, have played the game til death, and are complaining that there is nothing else to do? OMGBBQ

On your other point, why should GW 1 chars be brought into GW 2? It's a different game, and you have the oppurtunity to start over again, something you should cherish and look forward to, discovering a game all over again.

Stop whining, play a different game, and just know when to stop.

1. Direct quote from PC Gamer Magazine #161 page 028:

"Arenanet's first goal with Eye of the North is to "extend character development beyond level 20", says lead designer James Phinney"

2. it's "Holier than thou" and I never claimed to be holier or better than anyone, whats wrong with stating my opinion? Stop being mean and allow me my moment of frustration, jeez.
Never once did I say it must no longer interest anyone. In fact, I hope that GW 2 is amazing because I loved playing GW 1.

So now Anet gets trashed for you getting your facts mixed up even?
GW2 = higher/no level caps. You thinking or even wishing it was something in GWEN does not make a changed promise by Anet.

Sounds to me as if your approach to "playing" a video game is the problem more than anything I read in your rant. It's suppose to be something fun not work.

I still don't understand the people who seem to think anyone owes you a game that you can play forever.
I'm looking at a bookcase full of old video games that I played-finished and sent off to collect dust,Some sucked some were great and all came to an end. GWs has been by far the most amount of play I have received from a single game.

@Zinger Keep in mind that Bethesda is making Fallout 3, GW2 may be out first with their track record for pushing games back.
Hellgate:London coming this summer...

[QUOTE]coming from the most persistant whiner/complainer on the site

and the biggest laughingstock since returning here after his last grand WOW exit mumbling something about not finding a wow server to play on.

GW sucks now,anet ruined it beyond belive.Anet can forget about GW2,ppl who got brains wont buy it,it offers nothing new or exciting.lol anet even found a way to screw GWEN for me since charr wont be a faction like that stupid azura or damn nords.Forums arent for expressing anything other then asskisisng devs,did i mentioned that loading times suck on this board lol.

To original post:

Well I think no matter how much an online game has, there will be some people who will finish everything. They'll run their gameplay until there's not much left no matter what. Your pace of gameplay is simply faster than the rate at which Anet can come up with more stuff to do. But for most gamers that wouldn't be the case.

Much as I hate to say it, it's not ANet's fault that a) PCGamer decided to split the articles on EotN and GW2 up into multiple pieces and then start one before the other was finished. b) you couldn't follow the above and realize that the changing level cap is coming in GW2, not EotN. As far as character development goes, your characters will be learning new things in EotN, 150 new skills dwarven bareknuckle boxing, more titles (some of which will probably have an effect much like lucky and wisdom do on lockpicks). So tell me, how is this not improving / developing your character?

Well then you'll be happy to know that of the 150 skills being added, 50 are exclusively PvE only skills

Have you done every last quest in the game? I bet there are quite a few that you haven't done, for example Double Dog Dare. If you haven't done it, I double dog dare you to do it WITHOUT looking at a wiki.

You do realize that ANet never intended for you to play Guild Wars exclusively right? This is why you can take a 1, 2, 3, or even longer break and when you come back your character is right where you left it with all your equipment, skills, etc. Go play another game, and when you're done come play GW again

Just because you don't like some of the changes, doesn't mean everyone doesn't.

1. see my last response re: "development beyond level 20"

2. my approach is not up for debate, this is a forum...THE place to post your opinions, be they rants or raves, no?

3. the promises I refer to, would be the "expansion every 6 months" and numerous others, perhaps I misunderstood the quote in PC gamer. Regardless I am stating my dissapointment and some of you people are just being rediculous. Ever get frustrated and wish to express it? That is what I did, plain and simple. It is my opinion, that's all, I dont expect all the readers/posters to agree with it.

Ahh, I can see how that could be misinterpreted. I took that to mean that the first goal of GWEN was to have exclusive Level 20 content, as opposed to other Chapters which focused on new professions and newbie areas first.

"Extend character development" means skills, stuff to do, etc. It's not a clear as it should be.

Fixed. That comment was more for Zinger than you.

Me too.

Am i missing something here? Or did you just COMPLETELY overlook the fact your sarcasm detector exploded?

I still don't see the attraction with a higher level cap... why is everyone so up in arms about it?

I guess I just don't understand this perspective on a fundamental level. There are many games I bought, played, enjoyed, and then put on a shelf when I was done. A few years later, a sequel came out, I remembered how good the previous entry in the series was, and I went out and bought it. Rinse, repeat for the last twenty years. Why does anyone expect a game to provide "something to do" for a hardcore player for the entire time it takes for them to make a sequel?

Last time I checked, the going rate for most games is about 40 hours for $50. RPGs are, for reasons I will probably never understand, expected to add enough pointless filler and grind to expand this to 80-100. Fine. Now we go online and everyone expects it to go straight into the 1000+ range for no extra cash? Why?

And before people point to tradition MMOs, I'm talking about content. Forcing us to repeat a tiny piece of content a few hundred times before moving to the next isn't adding more content. It's just extending the time for those who demand "something to do". People willing to pay for "something to do" every month or so get what they ask for. I just wanted a game worth the money I paid, and that's exactly what I got with each of the three GW chapters thus far.

And if I stop playing entirely before GW2 comes out, I'll still remember the good times and most likely pick it up off the shelf when I do see it. How does that hurt anyone?

1. You misunderstood what this meant and what it says still holds true.

2. This is a public forum and everything put here will be "up for debate" BTW that was my "opinion"

3. I was referring to what you actually posted not what you are now looking back on and saying they lied about.
Anet has many things they can/should be criticized for but everything is not their fault {mostly what people wish or don't understand shouldn't be laid on their doorstep}
Hopefully for GW2 they will be smart enough to never give the community any info whatsoever about changes/upcoming projects or anything else because Grenth knows if anything they ever mention in passing or put out as an idea doesn't happen it will be a broken "promise".
Talk about ridiculous.

Mr. M, I have to disagree with your disagreement. The higher level cap will do more to drive away a lot of existing GW player who hate level treadmills and endless levelings. GW is one of the few games where the levels and numbers aren't outrageously padded and a lot of people like that. If they didn't it wouldn't have sold as many copies as it did.

When Anet raises the level cap of chars in GW2, the level cap of mobs will go up along with it. The power of skills will also grow to compsate for all those extra HP. Weapon damage will also have to go up. The time it takes to cap out will also increase.

However in the end, we'll be in the same place we are now, with people begging for a higher level cap which does nothing once they get to it which in turn makes them beg for another level cap.

I have to disagree with your disagreement of my disagreement.

For the record, I actually agree that Level Cap is good, and I'm a bit worried about increased level caps in GW2.

But I can't help but wonder if it didn't hurt GW more than it helped... a free to play MMORPG should have more than 3 million players. Period.

Leaving aside the argument of whether Level Caps are "good" or "bad", there is no doubt in my mind they cost Anet sales.

Or do you think Guild Wars 2 will have higher caps because Anet research showed it would cost them sales?

one of the selling points For guildwars is the ability to leave and come back. Take a break. A LONG break and come back for annual events and stuff. Alot of guildwar players are doing that at the moment its perfectly fine mind you. Nobody expects you to play the same game for forever. Atleast here you can come and go at any time due to a lack of monthly fees.

What alot of people i know are doing is visiting fansites like Guru in their spare time while playing other games. Then return time to time to make sure their not falling behind the times.

And no I Refuse to comment on Zinger's second attempt to go to WOW.

Oh, we're like a little comunity, a dysfunctional one, but at least we know each other, i.e, YOU left for WoW, and YOU whine, so you're opinions are null and void.

The internet is fun.

haha that's hilarious! oh wait.

Saying you don't like the game is fine. Saying you don't like what they chose to do is fine. Making up "facts" ie: people leaving in droves (even though we were told the # of players logging in is rising), GWEN increasing the level cap (this was never stated by ANET) is disingenuous.

What make this thread good? Yeah WoW is very different then GW. GW certainly not going to attend to the same things. If you're into that kinda game, anyone coulda told you that.
Hmmm. Perspective...
Yeah, I like & dislike the level cap. It makes things much more even & accessible, but it makes your character's progression more shallow. It is true that many people are used to a much higher level cap so I don't know how much it helped/hurt. You'd think a free to play MMO would have more people, but GW is very different from the average MMO in more than just the level cap.

I'm not sure if it's the level cap that is the problem, but a dangling carrot wouldn't hurt. IMO the fact that they are going head to head with blizzard who has a lot of rabid fans hurts their sales some. Another problem is that GW isn't everyone's cup of tea. Unless it is the newest DQ or FF release, most companies would be happy with 3 million units sold.

I can't say if the change is research based or not because I can't see it, but I will say that the net gain of players won't be as high as whatever their research suggests. They will lose a number of customers because of the change. Part of me thinks, they are looking at WoW and seeing the grass is greener over there, even though things are mostly fine in GW1.

Been playing GW since the beginning and I must say I have NEVER once been bored or found myself with nothinng to do in the game.

There are always exciting and inetresting challenges to be had in this game. Sure some poeple may get stuck in a rut and therefore get down and gloomy about trying something new.

When I find myself like that about PVE I switch back to one of the many forms of PVP and visa versa. This rotation helps to relive the boredom greatly.

Go have a break, try something new and see if you want to come back after a few months. You may even find that little tingling sensation again when you come back to find new stuff!

Oh and rofl at Zinger's WOW worship, only thing you give to the forums these days are doom and gloom posts, who do you think actually takes you seriously these days?

Maybe he, like me, still has a large and general concern for the game and it's community, maybe?

Oh hell yeah, especially the easy to attain level 20. I know so many early players who hear about that and go "WHAT? LEVEL 20??? EFF THIS." It didn't bother me too much since I always try the game first.

And yes, while the lvl 20 cap is something that makes it different, it is something that made it pretty boring.

And Zinger, glad you were able to stick to a server. Why did you want new servers anyways? There's so many dead servers out there.

1) The game is still pretty much up and running with many still enjoying it.
2) Are you saying I've got no brains, because I'm planning on buying it. Less flaming ftw.
3) Charr might well be a faction, we don't know. The game is not out yet, but whats to stop them adding to it?
4) Am I 'asskissing' the devs here? I'd not say I am, so yeah: less flaming ftw.
5) Could you do any better with a forum that attracts well over 1500+ people at a time?

Threads like these pop up when some players mistake the game for Life.

Hmmm, lemme fix this for ya:

There you go. Fixed! (sadly)

Well it sounds like you were a very devoted player. Maybe a little to devoted "no offense", but if you were enjoying yourself then great! Anyway I agree that you should take a break. I played for a long time and finaly got bored. I took a break for 2 months and came back refreshed. I made my new Rt/N and have accomplished quite a bit since I came back. The main thing is I was having fun while doing it. That's all that really matters in the end.

It's pretty much 2 months until GW:EN comes out so that would leave you with plenty of time for a good break. Maybe that will leave you enough time to come check out GW:EN feeling refreshed.

As for your stance on GW2, yeah I agree it sucks we can't take our characters over. But in the long run I think i'll be having fun anyway trying out the new races, and exploring the future Tyria. At least they are giving us something for our hard work. It's better then nothing that's for sure. I read in one of the interviews that it's going to be more then just a silly hat and title.

Well good luck with whatever you do.