Sony and NCsoft exclusive partnership

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http://www.ncsoft.com/eng/NCPress/Vi...=&searchParam=

i was just browsing NCsoft official site and came across this news ... actually very interesting and quite an accomplishment for NCsoft..

Zinger314

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Doesn't mean anything for Guild Wars, though. Sony probably wants to cash in on Tabula Rasa.

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yeah i know and hopefully ncsoft will never ask anet to do a gw on console... but still kinda huge and in effort of support for NCsoft i just wanted to post an interesting business deal. that could actually kinda revolutionize console gamin in a sense . I used to play mine but now only when the gf wants to run a race on MOST WANTED or something ...or God of War 2. RPGs on the console are bout half dead when compared to an online community , one reason i quit playin my consoles, so its nice to know atleast SONY is lookin forward and tryin to think outside the box and think ahead and even outsource to a company thats being successful as NCsoft is at this time.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JaiGaia
yeah i know and hopefully ncsoft will never ask anet to do a gw on console... but still kinda huge and in effort of support for NCsoft i just wanted to post an interesting business deal. that could actually kinda revolutionize console gamin in a sense.
Oh, the irony.

Remember what happened when Sony Online Entertainment bought out Star Wars Galaxies? Vanguard: Saga of Heroes?

Exactly.

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Guild Wars 2 distributed on a Bluray Disc.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! This better not effect any future Guild Wars products (I'm looking at you GW2). If GW2 comes out on the PS3 (4?) I will no longer buy it. I think I'm starting to feel sick...

WinterSnowblind

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Seems like an odd choice for NC Soft, since Sony's online system is a mess. Going with Microsoft, hell, even Nintendo would have made much more sense.

Personally though, I wouldn't have a problem if Guild Wars was released on consoles, assuming it didn't effect the PC version of the game. Too many PC gamers have an elitist attitude were they see console gamers as beneath them, that's something that really annoys me.

I don't exactly see how you can think this would "revolutionise" console gaming either. There have been MMO's on consoles for years, this is nothing new, or groundbreaking.

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Heh. This was mentioned during Sony's E3 Conference today. I about jumped out of my clothes when I heard it. (Bad analogy. :P) The first thing I thought was Guild Wars 2 on PS3. Once Sony (Again, assuming they do. :P) gets its act together (home launched and running) and a decent bit of games, a lower price (the price cut still wasnt enough), then folks will latch onto it. As of right now, the PS3 doesn't have a mmorpg on it and frankly it could use one. Guild Wars 2 would be perfect.

I suppose I could continue rambling aimlessly about what ifs. Only time will tell what Sony plans to do with NcSoft. If they do plan on a GW for Ps3, we should hear something within a year. (or less)

*waits patiently*

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Good deal for both sides really. NCSoft gets to teach Sony how to make MMOs and NcSoft can now possibly start putting their products on consoles if they wish. Everyone makes money here I think

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assuming it didn't effect the PC version of the game.
That's an unreasonable assumption. I don't know who the "elitist" PC gamers you're talking about are, but my concern about a game having both a console and a PC version is that it seems to inevitably result in the interface, controls, and in some cases the game play of the PC version being drastically dumbed down to accommodate the limits of a console controller. This particular phenomenon has killed many promising games and game series in the past, I'd hate to see it happen to GW.

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i think its a bit much and too soon to say they would do any current games , however i dont believe it would be Gw2 by anymeans ..probably all new games all together . but as someone already stated its a nice deal for both sides to learn from one another and make some dough.

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If thay make a GW for consoles, they are shooting themselves in the foot. I would not even think about purchasing anymore NC products.

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Originally Posted by Theus
Guild Wars 2 distributed on a Bluray Disc.
That would be a ******* rip-off.. honestly...

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Originally Posted by Buster
Good deal for both sides really. NCSoft gets to teach Sony how to make MMOs and NcSoft can now possibly start putting their products on consoles if they wish. Everyone makes money here I think
I disagree , anet gets to make online games for the weakest and crappiest next gen console ? Great? Or not. Serioursly 360 has sold nearly 4x the PS3 world wide and the WII coming in at roughly 3x . PS3 also has poor online stuff and microsoft dominates it . Sony's PSP is great thou but a MMO wouldnt work on it at all and if they brought it out itd be just crap .

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Originally Posted by Vinraith
That's an unreasonable assumption. I don't know who the "elitist" PC gamers you're talking about are, but my concern about a game having both a console and a PC version is that it seems to inevitably result in the interface, controls, and in some cases the game play of the PC version being drastically dumbed down to accommodate the limits of a console controller. This particular phenomenon has killed many promising games and game series in the past, I'd hate to see it happen to GW.
That's pretty much what I was talking about. PC gamers are always quick to blame consoles for simplified games. Take Oblivion for example, yes it was pretty drastically simplified, but that was an attempt to appeal to a broader audience. Morrowind was a popular game, on both the PC and consoles, but one of the biggest complaints it received, is that a lot of people found it difficult to follow and navigate around in. Thus, Oblivion simplified a lot of features, and included mechanics to hold the players hand, such as the compass and fast travel.

Ditto for Deus Ex. None of that was due to the game being released on consoles, after all Morrowind was released virtually untouched on the Xbox and was one of the best selling games on the system, they had no need to simplify the game for consoles, it was purely to appeal to a bigger audience.

PC gamers just seem to enjoy having something to blame when a game doesn't meat their expectations. I'm sure anyone who's studied marketing can back me up.

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
I don't exactly see how you can think this would "revolutionise" console gaming either. There have been MMO's on consoles for years, this is nothing new, or groundbreaking.
Yes, and they all sucked. GW on a console would blow so badly...ugh, not even gonna go there. I hope this is only for Tabula Rosa or whatever it's called.

Bryant Again

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Phantasy Star: Online was pretty cool.

That was pretty much an online Diablo, though. Not really an MMORPG - but still totally kickass.

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Originally Posted by Lotrfish
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! This better not effect any future Guild Wars products (I'm looking at you GW2). If GW2 comes out on the PS3 (4?) I will no longer buy it. I think I'm starting to feel sick...
Whoa there tiger. Calm down. What seems to be the problem?

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Originally Posted by Zinger314
Oh, the irony.

Remember what happened when Sony Online Entertainment bought out Star Wars Galaxies? Vanguard: Saga of Heroes?

Exactly.
Well.. Vanguard can't get any worse then it is now truth be told. Sony might actually help it :O

The NGE for starwars on the other hand....

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Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121
I disagree , anet gets to make online games for the weakest and crappiest next gen console ? Great? Or not. Serioursly 360 has sold nearly 4x the PS3 world wide and the WII coming in at roughly 3x . PS3 also has poor online stuff and microsoft dominates it . Sony's PSP is great thou but a MMO wouldnt work on it at all and if they brought it out itd be just crap .
Good point but not everyone plays games on the pc ? Nothing wrong with spreading GW to consoles for those who prefer them. I don't prefer a console but many others do that may like GW on their console.

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Taken from Gamespot summary of PS E3 at:

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[12:19] NCsoft is "joining the PlayStation camp."

[12:20] Under the agreement, NCsoft will make a series of PS3-exclusive MMORPGs.
I'm pretty happy with this announcement, and look forward to seeing GW2 on the PC and PS3. It's only a lot of speculation at this point, but it does seem like it could happen.

So many people are caught up in the xbox 360 and Wii hype. Despite the high price the PS3 is still the best gaming console out there. The Wii got boring for me in about 1 hour, and I'll never get over how much I hate the Xbox controllers, and how much Microsoft rushes out unfinished consoles. That leaves the PS3 as the only console I'm willing to drop money on (once I save some money and the price comes down). To play GW2 on the PC I'd probably need to do some heavy upgrading or buy a new one so it might be more affordable to me to buy a PS3. I'm just hoping for mouse and keyboard support! If I had to play GW2 with my thumbs I'd probably shoot myself.

Vinraith

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
That's pretty much what I was talking about. PC gamers are always quick to blame consoles for simplified games. Take Oblivion for example, yes it was pretty drastically simplified, but that was an attempt to appeal to a broader audience. Morrowind was a popular game, on both the PC and consoles, but one of the biggest complaints it received, is that a lot of people found it difficult to follow and navigate around in. Thus, Oblivion simplified a lot of features, and included mechanics to hold the players hand, such as the compass and fast travel.

Ditto for Deus Ex. None of that was due to the game being released on consoles, after all Morrowind was released virtually untouched on the Xbox and was one of the best selling games on the system, they had no need to simplify the game for consoles, it was purely to appeal to a bigger audience.

PC gamers just seem to enjoy having something to blame when a game doesn't meat their expectations. I'm sure anyone who's studied marketing can back me up.
Interesting perspective. I see what you're saying, and I think all we're really disagreeing about is motivation, which I'll grant you is no something that can be readily assessed. How about this, then:

The same motivation that results in a game being simplified (A), namely an interest in appealing to a broader gaming market (C), is also the motivation for making a formerly PC-exclusive title available on consoles (B). Therefore, when one sees a company moving in the direction of making a game available on consoles, one has reason to be concerned that it may be dumbed down as well. That is, A is not necessarily caused by B, B is not necessarily caused by A, but A and B are correlated because they are both symptoms of C. Observing A or B is then reason to fear that the other will occur shortly. Fair?

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GW2 isn't Morrowind.

The functionality they've talked about so far (context sensitive actions, more freedom of movement, etc) would be great on a PS3 with the standard controller.

I'm betting GW2 on the PS3 would be mass fun.

I wonder if you would be able to rent GW2 at GameFly, etc. With a PVP system that doesn't require unlocks, there'd have to be a way to make that work.

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Maybe they'll make that NCsoft flying game for consoles.
http://www.plaync.com/us/games/aion/

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i hope they dont start running ncsoft MMOs on SoE servers T.T their patcher is so horrible to me

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Like I said, I wouldn't mind seeing GW on consoles, more people being able to play the game isn't bad. However, they did say they were making exclusive games for the PS3. And the biggest point everyone seems to be missing, is just how terrible the PS3's online service is, if you thought MMO's were bad on consoles before, then they're going to be bloody awful on the PS3. Yes, unlike the 360, it may be a free system, but there's a very noticable draw back of that. $50 a year for a good system, isn't too much to ask, in my opinion.

I'd much rather just plug my 360 controller into the PC and use that for GW2.

Riot Narita

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Bring on the console players! If GW became the first big MMO game on PS3, we could see millions of new players online (assuming they don't get their own online worlds to play in). They would be completely clueless about PvP, and even if they weren't - most of them would be crippled by using a console controller...

...They would be cannon fodder, and that means EASY titles for the PC users!!! Even *I* (utterly rubbish at PvP) might get some PvP titles!!!

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Originally Posted by Miral
i hope they dont start running ncsoft MMOs on SoE servers T.T their patcher is so horrible to me
Hey, hopefully SOE and others will learn a thing or two about how to patch games.

When I start up WoW and EQ2 and I notice an update, I go out for coffee.

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Remember SWG and what Sony did with it? Yes? You want that to happen to GW as well? NCsoft can team up with whoever they want, as long as they leave Anet alone.

And the PS3 PAL is a piece of crap, get the NTSC counterpart it's cheaper and better in every way.

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I’m sorry but I hope this does not pass A-net, so they will support them on every project. Sony is just playing snobbish, undermining, and a horrid business associates to have. Yes I am being biased, but not one thing has come out of Sony that has some type of originality to it. In the last year or so they have caught nothing that signals “invention” all over it. Now NC Soft is actually thinking about joining up with the biggest crook since EA games went on a binge over sucking up other talented industries, so they could make a quick buck. That’s not evolution, it’s devastation waiting to happen.

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Sony is the MMO-killer.

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Hey, hopefully SOE and others will learn a thing or two about how to patch games.

When I start up WoW and EQ2 and I notice an update, I go out for coffee.
when i start up eq2 on patch day i can't go out for coffee, because i have to delete files and restart it 200 times. well did anyway, don't play eq2 anymore because of their launchpad issues
oh and sony taking it over is the main reason I never got into vanguard. I was in the beta, and sony took it over halfway through, and I could never connect again because of the launchpad.

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Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121
I disagree , anet gets to make online games for the weakest and crappiest next gen console ? Great? Or not. Serioursly 360 has sold nearly 4x the PS3 world wide and the WII coming in at roughly 3x . PS3 also has poor online stuff and microsoft dominates it . Sony's PSP is great thou but a MMO wouldnt work on it at all and if they brought it out itd be just crap .
You cannot judge the quality of the console based on those sales figures, the 360 was out a year before, and both the 360 and the Wii are much cheaper. The Wii appeals to a different market to that the PS3 and the 360 do, and clearly the 360 will have more games now than the PS3, giving it many more 'points' when considering purchase.

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I got a flash for some of you: Guild Wars 2 will never in a million years be released on a console. It's just as unlikely as World of Warcraft on Xbox 360. LOL

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It says exclusive PS3 MMORPGS.

Guild Wars 2 will not be an exclusive PS3 title.

Kakumei

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It certainly looks like no one at all actually read the press release.

Saying things like "oh no Sony will ruin GW!!!!" is retarded at best.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai
It says exclusive PS3 MMORPGS.

Guild Wars 2 will not be an exclusive PS3 title.
I read it as the exclusivity referring to the publisher, not the platform.

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Oh Noes! Sorny Will Ruin Gw!!!111oneoneone

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Originally Posted by Kakumei
It certainly looks like no one at all actually read the press release.

Saying things like "oh no Sony will ruin GW!!!!" is retarded at best.
It just depends on how you read into the whole exclusiveness thing.

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I came across this, and I can only hope at this point it is wrong..

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...Deal-for-MMOGs


The part that scares me..
"This appears to include all future games from NCSoft, all you who are waiting for Lineage 3 with bated breath may need to start checking into PS3s."

I think at this point a word from the devs to ease our pain would be welcome.

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Originally Posted by miasma
I came across this, and I can only hope at this point it is wrong..

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...Deal-for-MMOGs


The part that scares me..
"This appears to include all future games from NCSoft, all you who are waiting for Lineage 3 with bated breath may need to start checking into PS3s."

I think at this point a word from the devs to ease our pain would be welcome.
I'm going to just hope for the best and wait until anet says something before I post in another one of these damn speculation threads lol.