Destroy E-bay

I have more time to game than almost any player out there. I am often chided by Guild Wars for being in game 15 hours a day. Yet, I see no drops of value ever. If there is no longer a restriction on "farming" then this is unobservable. I do not even specifically farm. I do occasionally look for body parts to get a collector item for a character, or now a hero.

I recently spent a few days trying to get one staff, collector Lotus Death Staff, which requires Skull Jujus. None would drop in days of romping in Echovald. I have not seen any really decent drops.

The loot system is outrageous and lousy and needs improved to drive out the e-bayers completely. undermine themtil they ahve no market.

or...


BURN THE INTERNET

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Not everyone likes PvE as much as you.

Q_Q

And this thread is little more then a "My drops suck" thread, where does Ebay come into it?

Are you trying in hard mode, normal? Are you trying with heros/henchies or solo?

And umm IDK, my drops are cool.

collector req items = easy drops o.O

pve more kthxbai

Try farming The Skill Eater & The Pain Eater or sth, they are next to each other and often drop 2 skull jujus.

and yeah, yr giving e-bay a bad name.

I have noticed a shift in my drops, However crafting materials and collectors stuff not so much. I farm somewhat and have seen a drop in my ggod drops but that not saying much. Worst I had was a run through the Deep in HM without a single Gold Drop. and a grape from a chest . I wonder if there is validity to the anti-Farm code.

BTW E-Bay has nothing to do with, you should have named you thread Distroy bots!! and delt with the flames for another anti-bot thread imo

A) If you play that much, why do you need collector staffs? Buy them.
B) If you really want it that much for the skin, stop whining and go grind some more.
C) Get some guild-mates to come with you whilst farming for the items you need. More real people will generate more drops and since they are all guild-mates all the needed items will go to you.
D) If you cant find any guild-mates willing to help, get a decent guild.
E) If you cant find a decent guild, i) learn to use the internet, or ii) suck less.

Even more then 15 hours? lol

Destroy Ebay? huh? The OP must subscribe to this magazine:


Your rant is complete nonsense.

Anet admitted there was an anti-farming code after it was replaced by the loot scalling. But since the spent the better part of 2 years denying it or avoiding the issue, can you really trust there word on the matter?




And hell no don't make it another bot thread, the loot changes were not majorly inspired by bots, but rather HM and the easy ability of farming (They got sick of nerfing skills, so they nerfed the drops)

Actually, quite a few collector items are somewhat rare because there simply aren't very many spawns of the mob type that drop them. bleached shells(sold for 1k+ each for some time), guardian moss, vampiric fangs(only drops in urgoz?)...quite a few others. I keep almost all of my canthan collector tradable drops, and skull jujus are one of the items I rarely have a large amount of. Perhaps you would know this if you "pve more".

You’re right. I PvP in the random arenas on extremely rare occasions when I feel like putting up with a bunch of braggarts who are concerned with screeching sexual innuendoes and homosexual terms at fellow players. Having dealt with similar immaturity before I do, rarely, bother. For the most part – PvP has absolutely nothing to offer me. It has no character content, it offers me no upgrades that I can use in PvE, it offers me no ability to change skins on my weapons, off-hand items, or armor for use in PvE, I cannot use skills I unlock in PvE. So, PvP is completely and totally a waste of time.
E-bay comes into it because that is synonymous with where the bots sell the gold and items they acquire. Just like Philips is a company that manufactures tools but is synonymous with the cross-head screwdriver for which it is famous.
I have been out in hard mode, solo, with very few heros, etc. It does not matter the drops always and have always been of little or no value in this game. Even if you do get something higher end it is screwed up so as to be of little or no value. I finally got something of semi-value today in the Palace Mission. Sundering Golden Maul of Fortitude (R: 9, Dmg 19-35) 20/19, +29 H. Since an inscription cannot be added its value is negligible and since nothing is max it is effectively worthless, but oooooo it is gooooold, how pretty are the letters. I will admit at least the art on this hammer isn’t grotesque. So, it is pretty much merch fodder – not that everything from Tyria and Cantha isn’t anyway since Nightfall has inscriptions.
I killed Skill Eater and Pain Eater repeatedly for three days and never saw a single Skull Juju. Not one. If they dropped anything at all it was usually something so pathetic as to be worthy of Pre.
E-bay has no morals about ensuring the people that use their system are abiding by legal agreements and EULAs. They do not care as long as they get their cut of money and therefore are equally as guilty as those using their services. If you want to consider that flaming, then consider it flames. But their own unwillingness to do anything to ensure those using their system are law abiding and moral persons in all the nature of their transactions, because they do not prevent the exchange of goods and services such as this, because their name is synonymous with the purchase of gold and items in violation of the EULA, because their name is so common as to be a verb in regular parlance: “I e-bayed for it,” the use of the term not only applies to their own failings but to all industries whose reprehensible nature can be similarly identified in apparent use of the term. If E-bay as a corporation did not desire this characterization then they would have maintained from the beginning a strict code of ethics, and enforced it fully, that prevented the use of their system such that this reputation would never have existed.


The fact is this. The only way to kill the bots and stop the e-bayers is to make their industry worthless. That means destroy the reason they have something to sell. They have something to sell because people cannot get what they want and need to play the game through regular game play. If people could get what they want and need through regular game play they would not be interested in paying unnecessary cash which could go into more snacks, more DvDs, more Music, more clothes, more gas, etc. instead of into the pockets of people that are supposed to be unsupported by Guild Wars. But if Guild Wars wants the bots and the illicit market then they need to keep restricted item and loot drops such that there remains a vested interest in EULA violators. If Guild Wars does not want the illicit market, and is not somehow profiting from it, then they have no reason to prevent the opening up of drops such that the illicit market ceases to have external income value. This is the economic reality and it is the only economic reality. If you support restricted drops you support e-bayers and bots. If you support eliminating their reason d’etre then you support releasing the restrictions on drops.

Fixed your mistake. Only people who farmed like a bot or just farmed for hours upon hours wasting away their drab little life then they deserved poor drops.

Anyway..I fail to see why E-bay is to blame? nobody needs to buy gold anymore everything is a fifth of the price it was back in 2005.

LOL! I'm still laughing from that one.

I thought E-bay stopped gold from being sold there. :\

I thought E-bay stopped gold from being sold there. :\

E-bay was never the 'top dog' when it comes to gold sells, it got all the blame because it's the most widely known site that sells/sold gold.

Actually I have not trusted ANet at their word since all the Factions Fiasco began a year ago with the "it will be available on this date" and it wasn't, and the representations in preview that weren't (like open alliance making that did not require 4 man guild teams), and the coercive measures of Faction and Favor meant to force PvE players to become PvP players. I have not forgotten.

All they did was inspire more botting, more e-baying, and more problems. The only answer for undermining the bots and e-baying is opening up drops so that there is no market for their services. Anyone that supports restricted drops supports bots and e-baying for gold and virtual items. The only reason to support restriction is to support these activities in order to control the access of fellow players for personal gain.

LoL! I want a copy!

ebay no longer sells ingame gold.
do your research.

I found 1 listing, selling Ultima online gold..people still play that?!

Seems E-bay did cave it though..too much bad press I guess.

Ebay is just a generic term for out of game purchasing of ingame currency. :P

And it was never the place to get gold, well unless your a MMO equal of a script-kiddie.


You'll never stop gold selling, if they manage to outsmart the bots and make it bot free (Which is like shooting down the sun with a pea-shooter), there is still socio-economicly struggling place where farming a online game make a profit for the sale.

Yep some dude in rural china is farming GW for sweat shop wages because the owners of the company still make a profit.

And Anet can bann them, they just steal another account from a newb who d/led the lastest scam 3rd party program. Or shock horror buy a new account, so long as it makes a few 100k before its banned its paid itself off.


But perhaps your drops suck because you play 15hrs a day?

And I still fail to see a direct connection between your rage over drops and Ebay. Which is the root of all evil just the most pronounced in its field.

More bots showing up is good in the long run, this means botters are having to run more bots to keep up supply implying that botting is becoming less profitable then it use to be.

LOL. On topic, Ebay has nothing to do with your drops or other peoples drops sucking. Its all really dumb luck. Whether anyone chooses to believe this is up to them.

If you make what they do worthless then they will not Bot. If people do not need to go to them to get what they are after they will not have a market. Destroy the foundation of their market and you will eliminate the bots. It is not a pea shooter, it is an Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile. If no one has a reason to buy from them they will have no reason to destroy our gaming and in the meantime we will be able to get things we want.

And if you support the restrictions you support the sweat shop.

Banning is insufficient. Destroy the foundation of their economy. Destroy the reason they appear. Make their service unnecessary by making drops sufficiently plentiful that no Guild Wars players have any interest in purchasing their products/services.

So, I am supposed to be punished for playing the game as a player of the game for the purposes of playing the game. Or am I supposed to be punished for playing the game because I am disabled and the game is something for me to do. I am supposed to be punished because other people are criminals when I have commited no crime nor have I been tried or convicted. Or is it a crime for someone who is disabled to play the game and stay out of the way of the the people on the street?

Then let me provide you a little lesson in the use of the American English dialect. It is a normal structure of American English, as a Germanic and Agglutinating language, to utilize prominant nouns as eupemisms and dysphemisms for conceptual ideas such utilizing:
jello n. to cover all gelatin dishes
phillips n. to cover cross-head screwdrivers
e-bay v. to cover internet commercical transactions.
In addition, like many other languages where word order controls gramar inflection and connotation, context of occurence is always paramount. So, a discussion of e-bay in context of a gaming forum where virtual gold and virtual items are sold over internet sites references that specific logistical function where as in a discussion forum on footwear it would not be relative to EULA violations for exchange of virtual products or services for real currency.

Buy them with what? To buy things one has to have money. I did end up buying the three Skull Jujus I needed to get the collector staff. I am certain I will never see the mods I need to make it worth carrying, so I will probably have to buy them also some day. It cost me 3k to et a collector staff so I would have all three Necro staves in the Lotus line for my necro.
What is the point in grinding if after three days in the area there is not a single drop? What is the point in grinding if you camp on the spawn point right outside The Eternal Grove and repeatedly walk out the door to kill the one thing that spawns it so often that you level and go 71% to getting another skill point and there is still no drop. Further, there is not even a gold drop. Anything of value drops so rarely as to be negligible.
[QUOTE]C) Get some guild-mates to come with you whilst farming for the items you need. More real people will generate more drops and since they are all guild-mates all the needed items will go to you.
I am my guild and I will Never allow you or anyone else to make me destroy my colors, my coat of arms, or my individuality. I am quite aware that with the creation of Factions it was ANets intention to coerce the destruction of all non-Zerg guilds and obliterate all PvE players. I will never submit to either.
You mean one with no indivudality, creativity, or personal expression? I see plenty of such "decent guilds." You are not big enough to make me. You may kill me but you will never defeat me.
You mean buy gold or virtual items on the internet - how thoughtfull of you to recommend it. However, I will not. And I will continue it inform ANet everytime I observe a violation of the EULA, although unless they destroy the reason for bots to begin with I have little faith in their interest in dealing with it.
How wonderfully descriptive. And this falls under which article of the confederated alliances for internet gaming protocols? I am certain their must be a specific regulation defining such a grand and austere term... Perhaps you can be so forthright as to enlighten us? You mean I should hack GW and create the what I want that way? (Rather than go through the normal routine of expecting things to happen from game play, which is of course the alternative to the hacking option.) Or maybe you mean I should bribe some member of Guild Wars to make something happen for me, and I am certain they could although they say they can't (just like they said there was no farming code). But since I am disabled and live on disability I have a budgetary choice between TV and internet and I chose GW over TV so, I guess the bribe option is out too. (Besides, I wouldn't do it anyway.) Or perchance you are attempting to say I should twinkle my nose at the computer and make the loot fairies wallop the monsters for better drops... Sorry, Tabatha Stevens isn't my mother. Ok, all out of options - so do elucidate you highness.

Wow, sorry but you seem like you're making a war motivational speech or something...in the end, it is just a game, no need to go Winston Churchill style...

You play 15 hours a day and you don't get enough gold for some STAFF MODS?!

Where do you play on, exactly? Shing Jea? (I'd still say you should have enough gold even from Shing Jea. How much does the +30hp mod cost anyway? 6k?)

The connection between low drops and ebay is that gold sellers are partially to blame for causing the nerf. Who solo's and does pve all day?

Ebay pretty much means buying gold, he probably just played mmorpgs before ebay stopped selling gold. It's like in WoW I said pkers and someone was like OMG what a noob you played runescape, it's called griefing when someone comes and kills you.

So 2 hours of farming is bot like? I say that since I remember having my drops cut off after only something like 2 hours.

And you purpose doing this by doing what? Make things not drop anything?

Eh, what? That's like saying that because you support gun control, you support bank robberies.

Again, what do you plan on doing instead? Blowing up China?

Wow, that first bit had nothing to do with the question you were asked. Then you started ranting. What do you expect them to do? Blow up the people using bots? That's the kind of thing I'd expect from you from the way you've been writing.

It's very hard to believe that you could play for 15 hours and get hardly any gold. I can play for an hour and get myself more than 1k, without farming.

You've gotten 71%? That's 1 hour of farming, tops, unless you're very slow. Don't expect all the drops after 1 hour of farming.

The chance of most good drops is 5% or less. In 1 hour, a fast person can get maybe 1 run ever 10 minutes. That's 6 runs in 1 hour. So in order for you to have a 100% chance of getting a good drop, you need to farm for almost 17 hours. That, however, is if you want to guarantee a drop. They usually will drop before then.

Um yea, I just had to quote all of this. Do you think that by joining a guild with other people, they'll be able to probe your brain? Seriously, stop being so paranoid.

Um, yea, way to mis-interpret the person's statement.

Nice thesaurus. Or should I say, "Succinct thesaurus."

Moving on. I'm sure what the person meant was that you should consider altering your play style, since your current method is obviously not working out.

Like everyone else says, if you can't get gold playing 15 hours a day you're not doing it right. I can easily get 1-2 Dwayna's grace within a hour with a ritualist spirit spammer and flag henchmen away and 1 green is already a easy 25k. If you don't find anything of value (farming Raisu Palace or whatever, farming Cantha sucks in general, but there are some worthwhile greens like Razajan's fervor) then you're farming in the wrong place. simple as that.

If farming a obscure trophy (skull juju) is hard and unprofitable there are other options, buy a green or a inscribable gold with the tons of money you get farming greens or whatever. If you absolutely want the collector's item then you're making your life hard for no reason.

Lets say you get your wish and drop rates are drastically inscreased. Item values will go down and there will be a huge supply of unsellable weapons(who would buy anything if its so easy to get). Finding a buyer would take forever and earn you little gold, so you are left with farming gold(coin/merch fodder). If you need gold to buy something that you can't get as a drop(armor; skills), you just have to farm till you make enough. So, now hardcore farmers are still making their gold(even more now) and casual players find it harder to break even. This situation does nothing to fix the "ebay problem". There will still be players that want to have gold, but not farm for it. If anything, it would push more casual players into buying gold because they don't have time to farm for hours every day.

No matter how easy it is to get items (IMO, its already too easy), there are always going to be lazy people that create the market for gold sellers. Further increases to the drop rate are not going to change that. They only people they are going to hurt are casual players hoping to make some gold off a lucky drop.

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...if you cant farm the weapon you want, then BUY it from someone INGAME!

Dont go blaming the loot system and starting the "everyones using ebay" argument just because you cant get decent drops.

If you want something and it wont, then buy it from someone ingame.

I've never had any issues getting weapons or materials or drops that I required to get through the game, or just desired. I never use ebay or any other means to get them.

The only people who use ebay are the arrogant, vain players who want all the expensive weapons and armor and cant be bothered to work for them.

Its only a small % which do that though. I dont get why people think ebay is an epidemic within GWs, because I've never met anyone who uses it for the game.

the only people who use ebay are vain players?

the people who ebay gold are older adults who have a real job and can afford spending some small amount of money for in game gold so they dont waste their already littled time in the game "Farming fake money"

get off your high horse freekedoutfish, in the end, everyone is just some fow wearing newbie anyways.

Very true. It has never been the stereotype of the 12year old with his moms credit card. All those I know who admitted it were older adults with RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing good jobs where "affordable" does not matter.

Get off my high-horse? what are you on about?

Am I not allowed to insult or say bad things about people who use ebay to make gold? Are you actually defending them?

I was under the impression people disliked ebay'ers. I'm so very sorry if I wasnt allowed to generalise and call them all vain!

insulting something you obvsiously dont know anything is something you should think about. you say ebaying gold is wrong, yet you defend farming for hours on end?

...Not that I want to get between the two of you but, isn't it OBVIOUS to everyone that buying Ebay gold is more WRONG than farming for 24/7 (or 15/7 in the OP's case)?

We all agree that FoW and the like are "grind contents". You can't get it without farming of some kind (well you can hit a jackpot with some rare drops or your birthday minipets but that's beside the point). If you manage to get it by PLAYING THE GAME (no matter how), then it's all fine, that's how it's supposed to be. But if you get it because you have enough REAL money to BUY in-game gold for it, then it's just WRONG.

Feel free to tell me what I've missed though.