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jammerpa

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Sunny FLA

Omega Knights

N/Me

23 Jul 2007 at 03:05 - 1

*The following post and image contains harsh and offensive language*

Ok, here's what happened to me tonight. I was in AB at the Grenz map (kurzick) international district when this person advertises GLF 1 more. So, I hit the join button and he accepts me. He then asks me... "Are you a jew or a nig**r". I'm like dumbfounded so I don't even respond, I just leave the party.

I join another party, and then he starts in local chat.. "You were a jew/nig**r, no wonder you left... lol ".

Of course I had to call him an asshole. But then, he starts advertising again in local chat... "GLF 1 non jew/nig**r".

Here's a screen cap with the names blacked out.

Now, I know that submitting a report to Anet will probably be a waste of time. They always seem to just tell you to turn on chat filter blah, blah, blah. But this really went way too far as to what they should tolerate for in game behavior.

Am I just too thinned skinned too ignore this? Or, is this something that totally needs to be addressed and not tolerated. Does anyone else have any other experience in game with racism or anti-semetism?

Antithesis

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

BrisneyLand

Sphincter Says [What]

W/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:12 - 2

You're right to report this one. That's just plain nasty and should not be tolerated, i think Anet will agree with you.

The childish pre-teen sex talk in Shing Jea i can ignore after stating a protest at the inappropriate nature of the discussion, but this sort of crap shouldn't go unpunished.

Nicely handled BTW, i would have gone off my nut abusing the prick.

Chicken of the Seas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

California, USA

Vulpes Velox [Fox]

Me/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:13 - 3

Probably the guy thought he was funny or something by saying that, which is sad. Yes it needs to be addressed because its still racism...online or not. Its just amusing how people say it online...but of course they would never say it offline because they would get their arses beat. I remember one time when I was in Sardalec Sanitarium, there was a black skinned elementalist near one of the spawn areas, not even doing anything and this random guy just keeps calling him a nig**r, over and over and kept telling him to leave. I reported him but I don't know if anything happened or not, since I kept him on my ignore list since.

Vl Vl D

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Australia

[DVDF]

23 Jul 2007 at 03:14 - 4

I still think Jew would come up even if filter was on.Im not either of these and not that it matters but why the hell do peeps bring their upbringing into the pulbic eye.I hope Anet baned his ass 3 ways to sunday and if not then thats bs.

I would keep his name and keep it on your mates list to see if Anet do somthing about it and let us know plz what happens.

Res Ipsi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Canada

Angel Sharks [As]

Me/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:16 - 5

/signed
The guy should be reported.

bart

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

23 Jul 2007 at 03:18 - 6

in WoW that guy would have been banned for 3-7 days or even more as punishment. i put in a ticket once when a guy said something really degrading about ppl living in 3rd world countries. Got a reply immediately from the GM and that guy was not seen in-game for the next few days. Justice was served.

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

23 Jul 2007 at 03:21 - 7

So what's this, you want affirmative action in Guild Wars now?

New CoC Update: "If a man/woman of African or Jewish descent requests to join your party and you deny him, you are banned".

He has every right to party with who he wants. It was immature of him to announce this in all chat however.

Antithesis

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

BrisneyLand

Sphincter Says [What]

W/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:26 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Series

So what's this, you want affirmative action in Guild Wars now?

New CoC Update: "If a man/woman of African or Jewish descent requests to join your party and you deny him, you are banned".

He has every right to party with who he wants. It was immature of him to announce this in all chat however.

Flamebait FTW. STFU.

Vl Vl D

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Australia

[DVDF]

23 Jul 2007 at 03:27 - 9

No one said he had no right to party with who he wants.But the poster has the RIGHT to party with out this crap.

Chris Blackstar

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

United States

23 Jul 2007 at 03:28 - 10

I personally find it funny, and in no way offensive. I hope you understand that one, he could be jewish or a black person himself, or two somehow harmed by persons of that culture, or lastly just a jerk off, either way, given the double standard in this country, those words are a matter of interpritation. What I mean is, if he was non jewish or white, then it's racism, but if he is jewish or of african decent, then he is just being a a--hole at worst, or immature at best.

There I said it!!!

Antithesis

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

BrisneyLand

Sphincter Says [What]

W/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:30 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

I personally find it funny, and in no way offensive. I hope you understand that one, he could be jewish or a black person himself, or two somehow harmed by persons of that culture, or lastly just a jerk off, either way, given the double standard in this country, those words are a matter of interpritation. What I mean is, if he was non jewish or white, then it's racism, but if he is jewish or of african decent, then he is just being a a--hole at worst, or immature at best.

There I said it!!!

Read the EULA tooltime.

Vl Vl D

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Australia

[DVDF]

23 Jul 2007 at 03:32 - 12

So if he was either of the above types of people, then why did he say you must be because you left and then advertised with the exception of these types of persons.Could you tell me what your reaction would be if you were victim to a 9/11 joke? would it be funny?
People should have the choice to come home from work/school and leave their troubles at the door and not bring it into a game like this.
This just breeds hate.

BeowulfKamdas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

none atm

W/E

23 Jul 2007 at 03:33 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by bart

in WoW that guy would have been banned for 3-7 days or even more as punishment. i put in a ticket once when a guy said something really degrading about ppl living in 3rd world countries. Got a reply immediately from the GM and that guy was not seen in-game for the next few days. Justice was served.

perks of having a monthly fee

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2007 at 03:34 - 14

There are lots of racists in GW. Back during PVE preview for NF there was a thread on this site with screenshots of dark-skinned chars in the cage in Lion's Arch and then people bidding on them. As well as making racist names using old-school English from the 1800's.

Once I had a guy to run my zero deaths character from HZH to Lut, and he failed twice on that run (LOL). Then I left the party to hire a competent runner who could do the job, at which point the original runner called me those same bad words as listed in the OP.

Seissor

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Squiggilyville. Population: Me.

[oRly] Hello Kitty Death Squad

R/Me

23 Jul 2007 at 03:34 - 15

I was there in AD1 grenz when this im guessing same person was there and also carrying on about this crap.

Im not black or jewish, im kinda as white and as blonde as they come but this sorta behavior and language makes me cringe. Even if its not directed at me I report it, im guessing the guy I saw last night was the guy you have written about.

He was reported by me as well.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

23 Jul 2007 at 03:35 - 16

Here's how it works:

If you report someone for garbage like that, A-Net may or may not take action against the loser. (You don't know that they won't)

If you don't report someone for garbage like that, A-Net will NOT take action against the loser.

Dandy Warhol

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Colorado

Final Countdown [GOB]

W/D

23 Jul 2007 at 03:35 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

I personally find it funny, and in no way offensive. I hope you understand that one, he could be jewish or a black person himself, or two somehow harmed by persons of that culture, or lastly just a jerk off, either way, given the double standard in this country, those words are a matter of interpritation. What I mean is, if he was non jewish or white, then it's racism, but if he is jewish or of african decent, then he is just being a a--hole at worst, or immature at best.

There I said it!!!

But I think he was clearly trying to be antagonistic and difficult. He wanted to get under the OP's skin. And he did it. I would've had the same reaction as the OP, though. This guy sounds like a loser. I don't think he was trying to be funny, he was just trying to be annoying. If he was black/Jewish, he's still just as worthy of punishment for harassing another player. I don't think it has as much to do with racism, at least it wouldn't for me, as it has to do with people harassing others and putting them down. He could've called me a million names just as offensive, that had nothing to do with race or faith, and I would've been equally annoyed.

Thunder79

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chaos Rising

23 Jul 2007 at 03:36 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Series

So what's this, you want affirmative action in Guild Wars now?

New CoC Update: "If a man/woman of African or Jewish descent requests to join your party and you deny him, you are banned".

He has every right to party with who he wants. It was immature of him to announce this in all chat however.

this isn't a joke idiot.

blatant racism deserves punishment. I don't care if it's cute or funny to them...it's completely uncalled for and happens entirely too often in this game.

This had nothing to do with the guy joining his group...it was his comments plain and simple...the guy thought he was being cute or funny by using racial/religious slurs (ok jew is not a religious slur usually...but in this context it is)...and the guy was offended when he joined the group and chose not to group with him solely because of that.

Should someone be able to join a group without being offended by the comments presented in group chat? Absolutely...and it's already covered in the conduct part of the terms of service...under the harassment policy.

Quote:

I personally find it funny, and in no way offensive. I hope you understand that one, he could be jewish or a black person himself, or two somehow harmed by persons of that culture, or lastly just a jerk off, either way, given the double standard in this country, those words are a matter of interpritation. What I mean is, if he was non jewish or white, then it's racism, but if he is jewish or of african decent, then he is just being a a--hole at worst, or immature at best.

There I said it!!!

doesn't matter what race or religion he is...his words were intended to offend...too many people in this game say crap like that with the sole intention of getting a rise out of someone...and they absolutely deserve to get banned for it. A Week minimum...personally...they'd lose their account if I was in charge...

Report the pissant. End of Story.

Chris Blackstar

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

United States

23 Jul 2007 at 03:38 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Read the EULA tooltime.

I stand corrected, however maybe you should take your own advice, since "Tooltime" may be a nice way to put me down, however I could have taken that as a personal insult, which is also a violation of the EULA.

MrFuzzles

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Norway

D/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:41 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Series

So what's this, you want affirmative action in Guild Wars now?

New CoC Update: "If a man/woman of African or Jewish descent requests to join your party and you deny him, you are banned".

He has every right to party with who he wants. It was immature of him to announce this in all chat however.

Yes, because calling people "n***er/jew" is a-ok as long as they're actually black or jewish irl.

Antithesis

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

BrisneyLand

Sphincter Says [What]

W/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:42 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

I stand corrected, however maybe you should take your own advice, since "Tooltime" may be a nice way to put me down, however I could have taken that as a personal insult, which is also a violation of the EULA.

EULA doesn't apply here. I'd happily call you any number of alternative names, how does ignorant and foolish sit with you?

I'm guessing like me, you're neither Jewish or African / Indian / Aboriginal whatever....it was an obvious sleight with the intent to harass. The same effect would have been generated by advertising for GLF: No Rednecks or White Trash...maybe that would have hit a bit closer to the bone.

Thunder79

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chaos Rising

23 Jul 2007 at 03:45 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

I stand corrected, however maybe you should take your own advice, since "Tooltime" may be a nice way to put me down, however I could have taken that as a personal insult, which is also a violation of the EULA.

Too bad that EULA doesn't apply on the Guru boards huh?

idiot

Chris Blackstar

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

United States

23 Jul 2007 at 03:46 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dandy Warhol

But I think he was clearly trying to be antagonistic and difficult. He wanted to get under the OP's skin. And he did it. I would've had the same reaction as the OP, though. This guy sounds like a loser. I don't think he was trying to be funny, he was just trying to be annoying. If he was black/Jewish, he's still just as worthy of punishment for harassing another player. I don't think it has as much to do with racism, at least it wouldn't for me, as it has to do with people harassing others and putting them down. He could've called me a million names just as offensive, that had nothing to do with race or faith, and I would've been equally annoyed.

Not me, I would have simply ignored him, or to piss him off, started groups for jewish and african americans, plus all other minorities and whites who wish to join, on top of that offered them gold as a bonus.

But the truth being said is that it is a violation of the EULA and is wrong, however so is the name "I Flock her" which is degradeing to woman, but Anet seems to allow those names and many others. So if you are to enforce something, then be consistant for all, not just one side.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:46 - 24

I don't really care about racism and where it's said/who it offends, or any words for that matter, only actions.

But it's against game rules, so he deserves whatever he gets ban wise.

Chris Blackstar

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

United States

23 Jul 2007 at 03:47 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunder79

Too bad that EULA doesn't apply on the Guru boards huh?

idiot

But flaming does!!!

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

23 Jul 2007 at 03:48 - 26

Just an observation:

The people here who are saying he is a horrible person for offending people are the same people who reply to others with words such as "idiot".

Ah, the power of hypocrisy.

Antithesis

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

BrisneyLand

Sphincter Says [What]

W/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:49 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Series

Just an observation:

The people here who are saying he is a horrible person for offending people are the same people who reply to others with words such as "idiot".

Ah, the power of hypocrisy.

If the shoe fits...

Thunder79

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chaos Rising

23 Jul 2007 at 03:49 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

Not me, I would have simply ignored him, or to piss him off, started groups for jewish and african americans, plus all other minorities and whites who wish to join, on top of that offered them gold as a bonus.

But the truth being said is that it is a violation of the EULA and is wrong, however so is the name "I Flock her" which is degradeing to woman, but Anet seems to allow those names and many others. So if you are to enforce something, then be consistant for all, not just one side.

since the game is free to play they don't actively take care of stuff like that...it requires players reporting of it...I'm sure if names such as that were reported action would be taken...but people let it slide unfortunately.

MrFuzzles

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Norway

D/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:49 - 29

"Idiot" isn't NEARLY as offensive as "n*gger". If you think it is, you are an idiot.

Antithesis

Desert Nomad

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BrisneyLand

Sphincter Says [What]

W/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:49 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

But flaming does!!!

So does flamebait...

jammerpa

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Sunny FLA

Omega Knights

N/Me

23 Jul 2007 at 03:51 - 31

After chatting with a former guildy about this, he immediately recognized the IGN of this person. Seems as if it's not the first time that he's displayed this type of behavior.

Around this time last year, our alliance WHOA, was going after the OoO alliance to take over House Zu Heltzer. This persons guild was in the OoO alliance. It just so happened that our alliance leader was African American. On a nightly basis, he would tell us of how this person and the rest of his guild would drop "N-Bombs" for hours on end into his PM.

Our ally leader reported this to Anet but they did nothing about it, telling him to turn on chat filter.

So for all the people that want to comment that it's "funny" or it's "no big deal", or "he can party with anyone he wants to", try putting yourself in that alliance leaders' shoes. How would you like it if 30 or 40 people were constantly harassing you on a nightly basis. Doesn't seem so funny when you're the one being victimized.

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

23 Jul 2007 at 03:51 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antithesis

If the shoe fits...

Ah, so if the OP was a jewish or african person, the person who called him those words was just saying it because "the shoe fit".

Chris Blackstar

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

United States

23 Jul 2007 at 03:53 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antithesis

EULA doesn't apply here. I'd happily call you any number of alternative names, how does ignorant and foolish sit with you?

I'm guessing like me, you're neither Jewish or African / Indian / Aboriginal whatever....it was an obvious sleight with the intent to harass. The same effect would have been generated by advertising for GLF: No Rednecks or White Trash...maybe that would have hit a bit closer to the bone.

Could of care less what was said, remember the saying, "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me." Call me what you will, but in the end it is your opinion and since we will never meet, really who the hell cares what is said. In all it makes a good conversation piece, beside I like to play the devil sometimes.

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

23 Jul 2007 at 03:54 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrFuzzles

"Idiot" isn't NEARLY as offensive as "n*gger". If you think it is, you are an idiot.

If the "n-word" is so offensive, how come countless African Americans listen to rap music, eh? But I doubt you're going around condemning them for using those offensive words

Vl Vl D

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Australia

[DVDF]

23 Jul 2007 at 03:54 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

Not me, I would have simply ignored him, or to piss him off, started groups for jewish and african americans, plus all other minorities and whites who wish to join, on top of that offered them gold as a bonus.

But the truth being said is that it is a violation of the EULA and is wrong, however so is the name "I Flock her" which is degradeing to woman, but Anet seems to allow those names and many others. So if you are to enforce something, then be consistant for all, not just one side.

You clearly dont understand much at all. What your saying is that your would fight racism with racism? spose its like fighting terror with terror?

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:54 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antithesis

So does flamebait...

You are doing the same thing.

Thunder79

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chaos Rising

23 Jul 2007 at 03:55 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Series

Ah, so if the OP was a jewish or african person, the person who called him those words was just saying it because "the shoe fit".

ah but over the internet unless you're on a video feed it's clearly nearly impossible to tell the race or religion of a person simply from what they are typing....but it is clearly easy to tell when the word "idiot" applies...several of them in this thread...

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

23 Jul 2007 at 03:55 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vl Vl D

You clearly dont understand much at all. What your saying is that your would fight racism with racism?

You mean sort of like affirmative action, right?

Antithesis

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

BrisneyLand

Sphincter Says [What]

W/

23 Jul 2007 at 03:56 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Series

Ah, so if the OP was a jewish or african person, the person who called him those words was just saying it because "the shoe fit".

You clearly have issues if you think calling someone a n*gger is the same thing as calling someone an idiot. The latter is an easy conclusion to draw about your state of mind based on the crap that spills out of your head into this thread.

Chris Blackstar

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

United States

23 Jul 2007 at 03:57 - 40

Now I can see that to express yourself in a negative way, is flame bait and causes a chain reaction.

GOOD, let out the stress, and remember that the devil thrives on attention