I recently witnessed a trading trick someone did on my friend, and i'd like to know if anyone else has any thoughts about this or if it happened to someone they know.
Basically, it revolved around a trade, which took place outside of L.A. The buyer wanted to buy a req.9 zodiac sword 15^50 or something, I don't exactly remember, and told my friend they wanted to see it outside. This was fairly common, so my friend did so and they went outside.
While outside, he equipped the item, and the mo/a or something looked at it. She began to run away from him, roughly right before she left the edge of the mini-map she stopped. Then, she told him: "Are you 100% sure that the item is authentic and that your not scamming me?" I need you to drop it really quickly so I can see if its real.
Then she made up a story about texture mods or something on guru influencing what other people see on their screens, and that the only way that he could prove the item was real was that if he dropped it. The gold letters and stats would prove its real, she claimed.
So my friend, like an idiot, thought (Hmm, well ok, she's far away, and if this will complete the sale for me, I see no reason not to do it. I've been selling this crap all day). He drops it, and then in a split-second the monk teleports directly next to him (obviously from recall) and quickly picks up the item and logs.
I'm not sure if this is a bannable offense, and even though I loathe scammers I have to give credit where credit is due, that this scam was pretty good. Your thoughts?
Has anyone ever seen this?
lacasner
ShadowsRequiem
never heard or seen this before.....
but still the only question is why on earth would you actually drop something for someone.... it just doesnt make any sense.
The only similar scam is the one from thristy river where people said once the ghostly hero turned to lvl 255 you could make copies of your weapons.
but still the only question is why on earth would you actually drop something for someone.... it just doesnt make any sense.
The only similar scam is the one from thristy river where people said once the ghostly hero turned to lvl 255 you could make copies of your weapons.
trielementz
Pretty common. Been on some threads here and there too.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Common_scams
"Never, ever trust a player who asks you to drop your items on the ground, unless you are giving that item away."
texture mods are never universal. they only work for the player and nobody else.
edit: btw, wanting to see stuff outside of towns is not common. not with guildwiki around (pics are all there) and the trade window (stats are all there).
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Common_scams
"Never, ever trust a player who asks you to drop your items on the ground, unless you are giving that item away."
texture mods are never universal. they only work for the player and nobody else.
edit: btw, wanting to see stuff outside of towns is not common. not with guildwiki around (pics are all there) and the trade window (stats are all there).
RSGashapon
Every time someone falls for this stupid and easily-avoided scam, I lose hope in humanity a little bit more.
He got what he deserved.
He got what he deserved.
Arren Knez
this scam works exactly the same as the duplication scam, they go far away to get you to think your safe and ask you to drop the item and then recall wears off or they cancel shadowmeld and pick the dropped item.
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if they come up with the texture mod excuse, they only work one way only you can see them if you have them. if someone did try to affect the whole world with it anet would find out and ban them
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if they come up with the texture mod excuse, they only work one way only you can see them if you have them. if someone did try to affect the whole world with it anet would find out and ban them
xshadowwolfx
No offense, but what your friend did was really really stupid. Why would you EVER DROP your item? On top of that didn't he notice that recall was being cast?...
I'm sorry for your friend's loss, but that could have been easily avoided. Most scams are pretty stupid. The only person that scammed me twice was the merchant. Sold a ecto and a black dye to him for nothing. That was back when they were 10k ea.
I'm sorry for your friend's loss, but that could have been easily avoided. Most scams are pretty stupid. The only person that scammed me twice was the merchant. Sold a ecto and a black dye to him for nothing. That was back when they were 10k ea.
fenix
There was a thread about this the other day. Basically, your friend deserved it. If he's stupid enough to drop the item, then bad luck. There's never a reason to drop an item, ever. So too bad.
Tachyon
What a cretin! If he drops a weapon like that to show it off then he deserves to lose it. It's like those morons who keep dropping golds and greens in a mission to show off and stroke the old e-peen then have the audacity to moan because someone else is quicker with '; + Space' command.
Thunder79
I have an issue with people who say this guy deserved it...
the guy was just trying to sell his weapon...he wasn't trying to scam or dupe his item...so why does he deserve to get tricked by someone?
yes it's unfortunate he was stupid enough to fall for this...but by no means does that mean he deserved it.
People trying to dupe their items deserve to get scammed.
People trying to show off items by dropping them mid mission...deserve to have their item picked up by someone else for being an ass.
People trying to sell a weapon to someone only to get scammed by them for falling for a trick they don't know about DO NOT deserve to be scammed.
the guy was just trying to sell his weapon...he wasn't trying to scam or dupe his item...so why does he deserve to get tricked by someone?
yes it's unfortunate he was stupid enough to fall for this...but by no means does that mean he deserved it.
People trying to dupe their items deserve to get scammed.
People trying to show off items by dropping them mid mission...deserve to have their item picked up by someone else for being an ass.
People trying to sell a weapon to someone only to get scammed by them for falling for a trick they don't know about DO NOT deserve to be scammed.
Omniclasm
Don't be stupid and you won't lose your items.
Tachyon
Isn't it a lot easier and also a lot safer to just show the weapon in question in the trade panel? I'm pretty sure the stats and colour show up in there too! Surely if the idiot who scammed had enough money to buy a near perfect zodiac sword, or the time to get one to drop, then they've must've heard of the trade window.
thedeadwalk!
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I have an issue with people who say this guy deserved it...
the guy was just trying to sell his weapon...he wasn't trying to scam or dupe his item...so why does he deserve to get tricked by someone? yes it's unfortunate he was stupid enough to fall for this...but by no means does that mean he deserved it. People trying to dupe their items deserve to get scammed. People trying to show off items by dropping them mid mission...deserve to have their item picked up by someone else for being an ass. People trying to sell a weapon to someone only to get scammed by them for falling for a trick they don't know about DO NOT deserve to be scammed. |
Brianna
Selling common sense.. yeah, try and scam that from me fools!
Kidding.
Seriously, tell you're friend to use they're head. This is the internet, Of course he didn't deserve it but he is responsible for it, People don't care about you and they will do whatever it takes to get what they want, be more aware.
Kidding.
Seriously, tell you're friend to use they're head. This is the internet, Of course he didn't deserve it but he is responsible for it, People don't care about you and they will do whatever it takes to get what they want, be more aware.
Winter Lady
I too have a problem with people saying this guy deserved being scammed.
Nobody deserves to be scammed with whatever methods used.
A 'stupid' scam (as some poster described) is no different from an 'innovative', 'creative' or 'smart' scam - it is still not an appropiate thing to do.
Nobody deserves to be scammed with whatever methods used.
A 'stupid' scam (as some poster described) is no different from an 'innovative', 'creative' or 'smart' scam - it is still not an appropiate thing to do.
fenix
Of course he deserved to be scammed. Who in their right mind thinks that there is a reason to drop a weapon? Also, the monk was a MO/A, WHICH IS OBVIOUS. Stop sticking up for him. He was dumb. He got scammed. He deserved it.
Phaern Majes
Not saying he deserved it, but I'm hoping he does learn from his mistakes.
Whats the saying? "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me."
Its a sucky thing to have happen. Just report the guy and learn from your mistake.
Whats the saying? "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me."
Its a sucky thing to have happen. Just report the guy and learn from your mistake.
Onarik Amrak
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Don't be stupid and you won't lose your items.
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Bryant Again
The least he could've done would've been to stay further away.
Otherwise, that was not at all a very smart thing to do.
Otherwise, that was not at all a very smart thing to do.
Yichi
I had a guy try to scam me like this the other day. I dropped an id kit instead and he teleported to me and picked it up then logged. About 10 minutes later he pm'd me cussing me out for tryign to scam him...
yeah my faith in humanity has been restored
yeah my faith in humanity has been restored
Bryant Again
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I had a guy try to scam me like this the other day. I dropped an id kit instead and he teleported to me and picked it up then logged. About 10 minutes later he pm'd me cussing me out for tryign to scam him...
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drago34
That's pretty shitty, no one deserves to be scammed. But without using good judgment on these things people kind of have it coming to them. Just report the guy, hope for the best and move on.
Destinyy
Just one thing, recall is a maintained enchantment... surely alarm bells ring when the dude puts recall on you then runs away??? As far as I know, you can tell when recall has been put on you...
Bazompora
Report him? Nah ... why?
If the guy resorted to pure in-game methods, then it's not cheating.
Scamming? So what? Crime's part of any society, including the game's.
In my opinion, reporting in-game con-artists to Arenanet, is like dragging in your folks to recover a toy you lost in a bet with another kid.
If the guy resorted to pure in-game methods, then it's not cheating.
Scamming? So what? Crime's part of any society, including the game's.
In my opinion, reporting in-game con-artists to Arenanet, is like dragging in your folks to recover a toy you lost in a bet with another kid.
phoenixar
He didn't deserve to lose it..
He wasn't to know the other guy would 'teleport' back and pick the weapon up.. so give him a break. The blame is on the dirty little scum who scammed him and not the victim.
He wasn't to know the other guy would 'teleport' back and pick the weapon up.. so give him a break. The blame is on the dirty little scum who scammed him and not the victim.
arcanemacabre
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Report him? Nah ... why?
If the guy resorted to pure in-game methods, then it's not cheating. Scamming? So what? Crime's part of any society, including the game's. In my opinion, reporting in-game con-artists to Arenanet, is like dragging in your folks to recover a toy you lost in a bet with another kid. |
Traveller
No, with his example, he would be the guy selling the brick.
BSSuperman
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Not saying he deserved it, but I'm hoping he does learn from his mistakes.
Whats the saying? "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me." Its a sucky thing to have happen. Just report the guy and learn from your mistake. |
(George "Dubya" Bush II)
/sidenote - No one 'deserves' to get scammed, its just a shame that lowlife scum can log into the game and drag it into the sewers at the same level as their morals. Please people, stop condaming the victim and start condaming the scammer/
Bazompora
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So, let's say you go to a store and buy a new and powerful computer from a local shop for a great deal of $400. You get it home, plug it in and it doesn't work, and in fact, there's nothing but a brick inside the box. You go back and the guy refuses to accept the return. You just got scammed out of $400. But hey, crime is a part of society. You're just gonna let it slide.
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silara_jorinset
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Just one thing, recall is a maintained enchantment... surely alarm bells ring when the dude puts recall on you then runs away??? As far as I know, you can tell when recall has been put on you...
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Iuris
Excuse me, but the game is about vanquishing monsters, building a character, equipping him, and eventually taking on other players in combat. You could take a hint from the "warning, offer has been changed" and similar mechanisms that PREVENT scamming.
Confidence tricking people is NOT "using the game mechanics", just like using a screwdriver to stab someone is not "using a screw driver to its full capacity".
I'm sickened by these two threads (along with the other one with the duo scammer method). Sickened. You don't need to be a lawyer to see this is wrong.
Confidence tricking people is NOT "using the game mechanics", just like using a screwdriver to stab someone is not "using a screw driver to its full capacity".
I'm sickened by these two threads (along with the other one with the duo scammer method). Sickened. You don't need to be a lawyer to see this is wrong.
Bazompora
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Confidence tricking people is NOT "using the game mechanics"
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You don't need to be a lawyer to see this is wrong.
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arcanemacabre
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Being bluffed or fooled within the perks of a game mechanism equates being bested at the game;
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My example is quite pertinent, since it provides something that can happen, and in all likely scenarios has happened within the "mechanics" of society. Like the example, it's also against "the law", and should be addressed.
As an aside, how would you handle the situation without getting big brother involved, hmm? Harrass them to get your item back? Also against the "law". Count your losses? That shows even less backbone than going to the authorities. Of course, if you scam someone, I'm sure you'd rather them just count their losses, right?
freekedoutfish
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and the mo/a or something looked at it.
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Your mate will be lucky if this even rases an eyebrow with Anet.
At the end of the day, he was stupid enough to drop an item and not expect the other player to steal it. He was even more stupid to think he had to drop the item for the other player to see its stats.
Has you mate even heard of or used the trade window?
But even though the other player took it, it dont think it would be considered a scam because he put it down. The minute it leaves that players storage or person, he has no claim to it.
Its like you leaving your mobile phone on the table at the pub, and walking over the bar to get a pint. You return to find it nicked, and call your phone provider to get it changed on the insurance.
They wont replace it or do anything about it, because you were negligent.
I just hope your friend has learnt a valuable lesson and uses the trade window in future and doesnt drop items inside an instance.
Leonhart
Some one made a thread about this recently, it was like deja vu :/ but it was about the duplicating one lol
fenix
Firstly, it wasn't Recall being used (I'm almost positive), it would have been Return, which is the teleport skill that cripples nearby foes. It can be just used, not maintained.
lol wut? Your analogy is horrible. That's NOTHING like what happened here. What happened here would be compared to;
A guy says that he wants to buy a car, and your car is what he's looking for. He would say something along the lines of "Hey man, I really want your car, but do you think you can lend me the keys, so I can tell that it's in good condition? You might be trying to con me, and there could be something wrong, so I want to test it". So you give him the keys, he drives off, and never comes back.
THAT is what happened here. None of this "brick in a computer", that would be if the guy was selling something that looked like something else, like the Mursaat Token/Ecto scam.
The lesson here? Don't lend your keys to someone if they say they want a test drive.
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You're serious? So, let's say you go to a store and buy a new and powerful computer from a local shop for a great deal of $400. You get it home, plug it in and it doesn't work, and in fact, there's nothing but a brick inside the box. You go back and the guy refuses to accept the return. You just got scammed out of $400. But hey, crime is a part of society. You're just gonna let it slide.
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A guy says that he wants to buy a car, and your car is what he's looking for. He would say something along the lines of "Hey man, I really want your car, but do you think you can lend me the keys, so I can tell that it's in good condition? You might be trying to con me, and there could be something wrong, so I want to test it". So you give him the keys, he drives off, and never comes back.
THAT is what happened here. None of this "brick in a computer", that would be if the guy was selling something that looked like something else, like the Mursaat Token/Ecto scam.
The lesson here? Don't lend your keys to someone if they say they want a test drive.
moko
hey fenix, could you lend me your forum password? i need to test and see if i can log in you know.
arcanemacabre
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lol wut? Your analogy is horrible. That's NOTHING like what happened here.
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lol wut? indeed.
Chthon
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I too have a problem with people saying this guy deserved being scammed.
Nobody deserves to be scammed with whatever methods used. A 'stupid' scam (as some poster described) is no different from an 'innovative', 'creative' or 'smart' scam - it is still not an appropiate thing to do. |
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Brianna
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Firstly, it wasn't Recall being used (I'm almost positive), it would have been Return, which is the teleport skill that cripples nearby foes. It can be just used, not maintained.
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GranDeWun
The OP thought the scam was 'pretty good'. Hmm... I would think only one out of a million players would fall for it.