Our guild leader was having real life problems so he put me in the leaders position because he was losing his internet connection. He did this when I was off line and when I logged on he was gone. When I logged in and saw I was leader I sent him an open invite back. He accepted the invite when I was off again and he had a disagreement with someone and quit again saying he was gone for good and wouldn't be back. He also said that the guild was failing apart because he was no longer there and that he was the only reason people were in the guild. The fact was that we lost one long time member and a few new recruits. 3 or 4 people less than when he quit. It wasn't the first time he quit or threatened to quit. He is a very knowledgeable about the game, and put a much of his game money into the guild, but he was always having some type of fight with either guild members or alliance members because he said they disrespected him. He is a grown man not a young person, someone who should know to lead not rule. He has recently pm'd a guild member saying he wants back in and wants the leadership back. My question is should he be allowed back into the guild and given the leadership back. One more thing I own the guild website, the web address and pay for the vent connection, if he were to come back to leadership I could could loose my real money investment in the guild. Please let me have your honest opinions.
Update: He went to the leader of our alliance and had us kicked from the alliance. I know he posts to this forum so I will be interested to see what if any reply he has.
If a guild leader rage quits should he be allowed back?
Rocky Raccoon
lyra_song
I dont think he is fit to lead.
What does your Guild constitution say about if the Guild leader loses competency and succession of powers?
What does your Guild constitution say about if the Guild leader loses competency and succession of powers?
wetsparks
The dude sounds like an ass, and I wouldn't let him back in if I were you.
Neo Nugget
He sounds like a bad egg.
VitisVinifera
yeah he sounds a bit unstable, and not very well grounded.
also since you updated that this guy had his ex/your current guild kicked, it's all posthumous, and you are probably better off anyway
gl in the future
also since you updated that this guy had his ex/your current guild kicked, it's all posthumous, and you are probably better off anyway
gl in the future
Kool Pajamas
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I dont think he is fit to lead.
What does your Guild constitution say about if the Guild leader loses competency and succession of powers? |
I say delete all his characters.
Melei Hawke
His actions are petty and immature. I don’t think he should be a guild leader and frankly, I would not allow some one that behaved that way in my guild as an officer or member. I am curious as to what he told the alliance leader to get your guild kicked. I am not sure if it would be worth the effort to have a chat with that leader or not. Sometimes it is best to say good riddance and move on.
Darkobra
He's too corrupt. A guild leader's role is to maintain peace within the guild and to prevent chaos. He seems like a person who's only happy when he's unhappy. If you truly care about your guild, and it IS just as much yours as it was his, you'd not let him in any position of power.
Of course, you knew this already, which is why you asked if you were doing the right thing in doing so. Well, he kicked you from the alliance and ran to someone in a position of power again. You made the right call not letting him back as leader. That's why the ONLY rule in my guild is: "Only the guild leader may invite people." That way I know who's in my guild and I know that there's a high chance of them not causing trouble.
Of course, you knew this already, which is why you asked if you were doing the right thing in doing so. Well, he kicked you from the alliance and ran to someone in a position of power again. You made the right call not letting him back as leader. That's why the ONLY rule in my guild is: "Only the guild leader may invite people." That way I know who's in my guild and I know that there's a high chance of them not causing trouble.
Shadow
It's his guild, still.
ShadowsRequiem
sounds like hes a few noodles short of a bowl of ramen :O
I MP I
He simply fails at being a guild leader. I wouldn't risk inviting him back. Situations in your guild would get worse. He needs to learn some morals and mature a great deal before you even think of considering inviting him back. My two cents.
Miral
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It's his guild, still.
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MagmaRed
I wouldn't, but if you did allow him to take the guild back (as leader), make sure you have found a new guild to join, as you will be kicked within seconds of giving him Leadership.
You own the webpage and Vent server. That alone makes the guild as much yours as his, even if he never gave you leadership.
You own the webpage and Vent server. That alone makes the guild as much yours as his, even if he never gave you leadership.
Naylyn
If a new recruit acted that way would you let them remain? I know I certainly wouldn't. This person sounds like an awful leader and would only ruin the guild if you let him back in. You are the leader and it is your job to keep bad eggs from ruining the guild.
If you feel bad about the gold that he invested in the guild then take everyone else and reform and give him back an empty guild.
If you feel bad about the gold that he invested in the guild then take everyone else and reform and give him back an empty guild.
Rain Over Pebbles
Yeah.. I wouldn't let this guy into my guild, much less be the leader of it.
You have no moral obligation to give the guild back in my book, and it doesn't look like it's a good idea to do so. How old he is doesn't matter.. he's acting like a spoiled brat.
You have no moral obligation to give the guild back in my book, and it doesn't look like it's a good idea to do so. How old he is doesn't matter.. he's acting like a spoiled brat.
Athrun Feya
Previously I have "rage quitted" from being a guild leader myself. My reasons for this were that I needed a break, needed to walk away from 14 hour days online and the only way i could see this happening was to take away my responsabilities. As no one willingly wanted the role i was forced to give it away and leave the guild.
Understandably, those who were left in the guild were annoyed and blocked all contact i had with the guild in the site and forum (after I had owned the guild for 13 months).
I'm currently sitting in an empty guild, with no idea how my old guild is doing - which, to a degree, I still care about. So, in my experience...
Yes, he should be allowed back and he should be allowed contact with his guild (because i recon a part of him will still feel it is HIS guild, although hes not been around) but you keep the power and see how it goes from there, on the grounds that you have kept the guild sucessfull over the past few months
Understandably, those who were left in the guild were annoyed and blocked all contact i had with the guild in the site and forum (after I had owned the guild for 13 months).
I'm currently sitting in an empty guild, with no idea how my old guild is doing - which, to a degree, I still care about. So, in my experience...
Yes, he should be allowed back and he should be allowed contact with his guild (because i recon a part of him will still feel it is HIS guild, although hes not been around) but you keep the power and see how it goes from there, on the grounds that you have kept the guild sucessfull over the past few months
lyra_song
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Guild constitution?? O_O
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Heres my guild's
http://z13.invisionfree.com/shinigam...p?showtopic=98
Rain Over Pebbles
In your case, I'd sympathize Athrun. Obviously you dedicated yourself to your guild and needed an escape, and nobody was willing to help you out. I'm sure your intentions were good.
However, in the case of the person that the poster is talking about... based on his description, he really sounds like an egotistical jerk for the most part.
He joins the guild and starts loudly complaining that the guild is falling apart because he isn't the leader? Constantly getting into fights with everyone and quitting over it rather than dealing with it maturely? Stability is good for a guild, and this guy is anything but stable. These aren't things that I'd like to see in a member, much less a guild leader.
He was allowed back previously, and promptly quit because he got into a fight. The way I see it, it is now up to the guild's current leader to decide if the old leader's membership, given his behavior, is in the best interests of his guild.
Rain
However, in the case of the person that the poster is talking about... based on his description, he really sounds like an egotistical jerk for the most part.
He joins the guild and starts loudly complaining that the guild is falling apart because he isn't the leader? Constantly getting into fights with everyone and quitting over it rather than dealing with it maturely? Stability is good for a guild, and this guy is anything but stable. These aren't things that I'd like to see in a member, much less a guild leader.
He was allowed back previously, and promptly quit because he got into a fight. The way I see it, it is now up to the guild's current leader to decide if the old leader's membership, given his behavior, is in the best interests of his guild.
Rain
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Previously I have "rage quitted" from being a guild leader myself. My reasons for this were that I needed a break, needed to walk away from 14 hour days online and the only way i could see this happening was to take away my responsabilities. As no one willingly wanted the role i was forced to give it away and leave the guild.
Understandably, those who were left in the guild were annoyed and blocked all contact i had with the guild in the site and forum (after I had owned the guild for 13 months). I'm currently sitting in an empty guild, with no idea how my old guild is doing - which, to a degree, I still care about. So, in my experience... Yes, he should be allowed back and he should be allowed contact with his guild (because i recon a part of him will still feel it is HIS guild, although hes not been around) but you keep the power and see how it goes from there, on the grounds that you have kept the guild sucessfull over the past few months |
Erik Fox
If you do allow him back, I would not let him even get officer status for a good amount of time. Personally, I wouldn't let him back in if he caused problems while leaving.
Athrun Feya
Hehe, if the info is correct it sound like an officer I used to have who behaved similarly - he liked trolling (and enjoyed singing Skater Boi to our countless alliances 
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After several invites back, he finally realised that the guild was no longer the one he had helped to build up and left for good. I thought it was important to realise it himself; in your case, i still feel you should invite him but remember you have full power to keep him or not and really let him know what you (as a guild) think.
)After several invites back, he finally realised that the guild was no longer the one he had helped to build up and left for good. I thought it was important to realise it himself; in your case, i still feel you should invite him but remember you have full power to keep him or not and really let him know what you (as a guild) think.
TempusReborn
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You dont have a constitution either? >.>;;
Heres my guild's http://z13.invisionfree.com/shinigam...p?showtopic=98 |
Private Message me on Guru if you want to talk about it
EDIT : Cry , American Server based
Oh well
I Akeron I
Sounds too immature to be a Guild Leader. Get your stuff together and and GvG his next Guild lol.
Bowstring Badass
Tell him no you left it's my guild now.
Master Ketsu
Hes an idiot for giving away his position. When you give away your seat you should be aware that you may not be able to get it back. Any mature person knows this.
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It really depends on the whole situation, all we have is one person putting down an ex guild leader, we don't have his view, maybe the members were the problem. Some people don't want to be LED, take that into consideration. I'd also say it's childish whether the guys a prick or not to give him his guild back, he gave you leadership obviously because he had some kind of respect for you. Now if you and the rest of the your guildies have a problem with him you should probably just leave that guild...
panda10119
What do you get from this person?? Knowlege? i doubt it. Fun??? or is it more like endless agrovation! i can't belive even people would be in his guild let alown him being leader i would say, He made up his mind with the guild and the alliance there is no bloody way of letting him back in my books
panda10119
What do you get from this person?? Knowlege? i doubt it. Fun??? or is it more like endless agrovation! i can't belive even people would be in his guild let alown him being leader i would say, He made up his mind with the guild and the alliance there is no bloody way of letting him back in in my books
Xanatos_De_Creon
Personal experience says that his issue isn't with you leading the guild, or the guild at all, but leting go of all of the time and effort he has put into building the guild up. It hurts to have to leave a guild because of personal reasons and come back to it only to find out it is no longer your guild at all.
I've recently been there, and while it is not me you are talking about it's rather close to the same story with a few minor dramatic twist.
If he really wants his hall and goodies back, buy him a sigil and give him how ever much it cost to buy the NPCs that he put into the guild hall, plus the 2k for the cape. Send him on his way, and tell him you'll make an announcement when his new guild is built.
I would simply say start your own and take your friends with you, but things get shattered and scattered in doing that.
I give you this advice after my partner and I have utterly destroyed our old guild due to the fact that we could not let go, and admit that it wasn't the guild we wanted nor set out to make anymore.
Every leader has their own style, and with that style the guild will form around it. It is hard to change the grain of a guild once it and it's officers are established and their game play style and ethics are formed.
If your old leader is reading this, all I can say to him is "Let it go". Cut your losses and let it go. Find a new guild name and make a new one.
I've recently been there, and while it is not me you are talking about it's rather close to the same story with a few minor dramatic twist.
If he really wants his hall and goodies back, buy him a sigil and give him how ever much it cost to buy the NPCs that he put into the guild hall, plus the 2k for the cape. Send him on his way, and tell him you'll make an announcement when his new guild is built.
I would simply say start your own and take your friends with you, but things get shattered and scattered in doing that.
I give you this advice after my partner and I have utterly destroyed our old guild due to the fact that we could not let go, and admit that it wasn't the guild we wanted nor set out to make anymore.
Every leader has their own style, and with that style the guild will form around it. It is hard to change the grain of a guild once it and it's officers are established and their game play style and ethics are formed.
If your old leader is reading this, all I can say to him is "Let it go". Cut your losses and let it go. Find a new guild name and make a new one.
Auld
There is a lot of truth to "One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel".
I believe that if this seemingly unstable individual came back again, that the whole guild could fall apart. I have seen guilds decimated by much less.
I believe that if this seemingly unstable individual came back again, that the whole guild could fall apart. I have seen guilds decimated by much less.
Alex Morningstar
Before, when he left because of real life issues, I could see him having a stake to return to the leaderspot when he came back.
But, he has since rage-quit and then got you kicked out of your alliance. That right there says a lot. It says his guild isn't valuable enough to him to work out a disagreement with his officer - you - and it says that the value of the community that alliance was to you isn't important to him or his guildies.
The moment he rage-quit, his claim was gone. If he had came back and worked things out, it might have been different. But instead he got you guys kicked. Your guild doesn't need this kind of drama. Don't keep it hush hush either, he'll probably start stirring the pot with your guildies tell your members what happened and why you made the decisions you did.
Not quite what happened to my old guild, but close enough.
It's yours now, enjoy. There will be all the people who said "he made it, it's his" but you can tell them "possession is 9/10ths of the law".
But, he has since rage-quit and then got you kicked out of your alliance. That right there says a lot. It says his guild isn't valuable enough to him to work out a disagreement with his officer - you - and it says that the value of the community that alliance was to you isn't important to him or his guildies.
The moment he rage-quit, his claim was gone. If he had came back and worked things out, it might have been different. But instead he got you guys kicked. Your guild doesn't need this kind of drama. Don't keep it hush hush either, he'll probably start stirring the pot with your guildies tell your members what happened and why you made the decisions you did.
Not quite what happened to my old guild, but close enough.
It's yours now, enjoy. There will be all the people who said "he made it, it's his" but you can tell them "possession is 9/10ths of the law".
Alvar
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Our guild leader was having real life problems so he put me in the leaders position because he was losing his internet connection. He did this when I was off line and when I logged on he was gone. When I logged in and saw I was leader I sent him an open invite back. He accepted the invite when I was off again and he had a disagreement with someone and quit again saying he was gone for good and wouldn't be back. He also said that the guild was failing apart because he was no longer there and that he was the only reason people were in the guild. The fact was that we lost one long time member and a few new recruits. 3 or 4 people less than when he quit. It wasn't the first time he quit or threatened to quit. He is a very knowledgeable about the game, and put a much of his game money into the guild, but he was always having some type of fight with either guild members or alliance members because he said they disrespected him. He is a grown man not a young person, someone who should know to lead not rule. He has recently pm'd a guild member saying he wants back in and wants the leadership back. My question is should he be allowed back into the guild and given the leadership back. One more thing I own the guild website, the web address and pay for the vent connection, if he were to come back to leadership I could could loose my real money investment in the guild. Please let me have your honest opinions.
Update: He went to the leader of our alliance and had us kicked from the alliance. I know he posts to this forum so I will be interested to see what if any reply he has. |
Goldleader
This is a MMO, not a single player game. One person should not try to control everything.
Put it to a vote and let everyone decide.
Then again, if he is the only person asking to be made leader and noone else seems to care, just ignore him. What is he going to do?
You might want to start flexing your leadership. Organize a guild raid night, start making friendships with everyone, help players out...those actions improve loyalty and will keep everyone on your side.
Most guild leaders seem to just play and ask every so often "anyone need some help?" That's crap.
This is one of the downsides of instanced fighting....you can't have 100% of the guild populace clear a dungeon, or hunt a dragon. In EQ, those things always helped loyalty.
Put it to a vote and let everyone decide.
Then again, if he is the only person asking to be made leader and noone else seems to care, just ignore him. What is he going to do?
You might want to start flexing your leadership. Organize a guild raid night, start making friendships with everyone, help players out...those actions improve loyalty and will keep everyone on your side.
Most guild leaders seem to just play and ask every so often "anyone need some help?" That's crap.
This is one of the downsides of instanced fighting....you can't have 100% of the guild populace clear a dungeon, or hunt a dragon. In EQ, those things always helped loyalty.
Holly Herro
Pay him for the guild and all he spent on it. Then you can keep it, that sounds fair?
Ghryphon
A leader should never abandon his team...regardless. Life sucks sometimes, so does the people you lead, but time will let you get over it. There is no excuse for leaving like that, multiple times none the less. If you need to leave for personal reasons (IE real life issues) Then designate someone to take your place and make sure you make it clear you intend to return, or you dont intend to return. Dont just run out...
Perhaps let him in as a member, never again as officer, much less leader.
In all my years of leading groups, teams and guilds through various online games, I have never abandoned my team. Thats just silly, people who do that should be shot
My 2 cents...
-Tiki
Perhaps let him in as a member, never again as officer, much less leader.
In all my years of leading groups, teams and guilds through various online games, I have never abandoned my team. Thats just silly, people who do that should be shot
My 2 cents...
-Tiki
Squishy ftw
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Update: He went to the leader of our alliance and had us kicked from the alliance. I know he posts to this forum so I will be interested to see what if any reply he has.
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Tarja
What you should do is talk to your guild members about it. They'll know more about the situation and about your old leader, than we do. Therefore you can get their opinions on what should be done.