Ok, the recent update has now changed the gladiator to
"a point for each win in random arenas or team arenas and 5 bonus points for each 5 win streak"
Please put this in context before you comment. We have r7 and 8 glads that have just had a year and a half of TA mean nothing. The fact that they had 1000+ points easy is going to mean nothing. This pretty much tops it for me for screwing over existing customer base.
It doesnt seem to be in effect quite yet though, so I'm not sure whats going on, but check what it says under glad title
The Disgraced Gladiator Rank
LuckyGiant
Neo Nugget
That does seem a little odd. Im betting its a bug and they just left the wording in the title track for now.or....something.....if not i guess its not gonna make the world explode.But it is a little strange that you get 1 point for 1 win:O
I would rather have it be a point for 5 win streak but i guess this is ok too. Wonder why theyre making it easier, maybe in GW:EN glad title has another effect or something:O like kurz and luxon skills.
I would rather have it be a point for 5 win streak but i guess this is ok too. Wonder why theyre making it easier, maybe in GW:EN glad title has another effect or something:O like kurz and luxon skills.
Cowboy Nastyman
as a rank 7 glad if this is true i'm pissed well over a year into a title that will now be meaningless
moko
i have just lost my faith in arenanet forever -- my whole friendslist and anyone that enjoys team arenas also.
please, anet..don't do this. THIS IS PLAIN DUMB!
seriously, it's worthless, RA will be farmed, TA will die even more, anyone that had a higher glad before is going to quit arenas forever and is truly pissed now.
so..FIX!!!!!
and yes, it's not there so far, and it's not even the same in the german language, but please, if this is planned, cancel it.
ps yes i made this sound over dramatically on purpose so some can have a laugh. :S
edit: thanks Gaile. but any fixes to this system sound horrible and unfair in theory, if this is supposed to be a fix for RA you need other solutions.
please, anet..don't do this. THIS IS PLAIN DUMB!
seriously, it's worthless, RA will be farmed, TA will die even more, anyone that had a higher glad before is going to quit arenas forever and is truly pissed now.
so..FIX!!!!!
and yes, it's not there so far, and it's not even the same in the german language, but please, if this is planned, cancel it.
ps yes i made this sound over dramatically on purpose so some can have a laugh. :S
edit: thanks Gaile. but any fixes to this system sound horrible and unfair in theory, if this is supposed to be a fix for RA you need other solutions.
Gaile Gray
LuckyGiant
Thanks Gaile was just going to point everyone to your post in the other thread.
Divine Slaya
Please do not implement this into the game. I would have been fine with the title working this way if you introduced the title into the game like that, but to change it now after it's been in the game for months is just absolutely rediculous. It is completely unfair to all the people who love the TA playstyle and have worked hard to raise their titles.
EDIT: Well I made the post before reading Gaile's post, I guess I'd really have to see how this formula would work for people that have the title already before I could get my position on the idea.
EDIT: Well I made the post before reading Gaile's post, I guess I'd really have to see how this formula would work for people that have the title already before I could get my position on the idea.
Foe
how about everytime u log in u get r15 glad 10 and r10 champ...that way no one is excluded
Ultra Mega
It wouldn't be unfair if they multiply everyones points by 20 (10 for each win and 2x5 for the 5 win bonus) and increase the amounts needed for each level. After reading the link in Gailes post it sounds like thats what they will do once they actually implement this change.
I actually quite like it because it should reduce the number of leavers.
I actually quite like it because it should reduce the number of leavers.
Foe
orrrrr how about you dont get gp in ra, then "leavers" are no longer a prob are they
tonyh
interesting.... gaile replied very quickly to this thread... meaning that
1. she browses gwguru frequently and is quite attuned to the gw community and its feelings
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2. predicted that people would be pissed about the mistake and replied quick
1. she browses gwguru frequently and is quite attuned to the gw community and its feelings
or
2. predicted that people would be pissed about the mistake and replied quick
Like So
Wow Okay I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if I get banned thanks to this typographical error (I was begging for it in all caps in Team Arena International and American Districts) But ya... being a R7 Gladiator with over 4000Hours of gameplay and I'd geuss around 3000hours of Planning and Playing for Team Arenas I totally had to vent (yep any server moderator would agree that I totally flipped out)
Thanks for clearing my head alittle Gaile, but this error seemed like the exact opposite of what most competetive arena players would want. We've been begging you guys to take Glad Points out of RA and instead something gets thrown up that makes the max title track look like no more than 3 days of running an illegal RA Bot...
Seriously.. The Gladiator title gets scrutnized enough when people get 5 freebies in RA just from ragers alone.
If these changes are to be made... I'd highly recommend removing points from Random Arenas... ANYONE can press the enter battle button 500 times a day =(
Why I'm Proud of My Title
Thanks for clearing my head alittle Gaile, but this error seemed like the exact opposite of what most competetive arena players would want. We've been begging you guys to take Glad Points out of RA and instead something gets thrown up that makes the max title track look like no more than 3 days of running an illegal RA Bot...
Seriously.. The Gladiator title gets scrutnized enough when people get 5 freebies in RA just from ragers alone.
If these changes are to be made... I'd highly recommend removing points from Random Arenas... ANYONE can press the enter battle button 500 times a day =(
Why I'm Proud of My Title
VitisVinifera
she does browse guru frequently but doesn't post much, because her posts have generally backfired and alienated people.
but your #2 is definitely valid. The whole title grind thing was a can of worms and now Anet has themselves backed into a corner with them.
but your #2 is definitely valid. The whole title grind thing was a can of worms and now Anet has themselves backed into a corner with them.
Omniclasm
They might just make r1 require 500 points or something, then scale all the other levels to match proportionately, then scaled everyones current glad points with that. For example, I have 15 currently. If they change r1 to 500, I would have 15x10x2, or 300. If you have a thousand, they might change it to 1000x10x2 = 20,000. You really don't know what they are going to do. This is a good change though. It might encourage people to stay. Currently, if your team can't win 10, theres no point to stay. If your team can just win 1, then it wasn't a waste of time.
Ultra Mega
Taking GP out of RA would severly reduce the number of players interested in playing in RA.
If they adjust all the numbers correctly then there should be no reason to complain.
If they adjust all the numbers correctly then there should be no reason to complain.
Gaile Gray
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It wouldn't be unfair if they multiply everyones points by 20 (10 for each win and 2x5 for the 5 win bonus) and increase the amounts needed for each level. After reading the link in Gailes post it sounds like thats what they will do once they actually implement this change.
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interesting.... gaile replied very quickly to this thread... meaning that
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I think you guys need to just absorb and embrace the notion that we do read your thoughts and that what you offer is very, very instrumental in the way that the game evolves. I know it's tough: A company listening to it's "customers?" But, well, you're just going to have to deal with it!
Redfeather1975
Gaile has the Mission Impossible sunglasses that has the internet in the corner of them.
I heard this somewhere.
I heard this somewhere.
Gaile Gray
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Gaile has the Mission Impossible sunglasses that has the internet in the corner of them.
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wetsparks
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Ok, the recent update has now changed the gladiator to
"a point for each win in random arenas or team arenas and 5 bonus points for each 5 win streak" Please put this in context before you comment. We have r7 and 8 glads that have just had a year and a half of TA mean nothing. The fact that they had 1000+ points easy is going to mean nothing. This pretty much tops it for me for screwing over existing customer base. It doesnt seem to be in effect quite yet though, so I'm not sure whats going on, but check what it says under glad title |
Shaz
Even if they multiply it by 20 or whatever, I still don't like the idea. I agree with Like So here, keep it the way it is or take gladiator point out of RA. but don't do that. 1 win per point is just too fast and easy. Someone who is good but play only an hour or two a day will have the same title as someone who grinds RA all day non stop. That's true now but at least it's a lot harder to do so. This might stop leavers but will introduce leechers.
QFT. Faster point there too.
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Omniclasm
Saying someone who plays 1 hour a day will have the same title as someone who does it for 12 hours a day doesn't make much sense.
Darkobra
Seems like an interesting change. It won't make me rush to PVP, but still. Still looking forward to EotN and those PVP challenge missions. I wonder how the rewards will be there. 28 more days to go!
MoldyRiceFrenzy
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Shaz
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Saying someone who plays 1 hour a day will have the same title as someone who does it for 12 hours a day doesn't make much sense.
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Shadis
Don't mess with the Gladiator Track itself. Seems these changes that are being tested are meant to deal with RA Leavers. Simple solution? Remove Gladiator Points from RA.
Don't screw over legitimate teams in the Team Arenas that earned their Gladiator Ranks.
Don't screw over legitimate teams in the Team Arenas that earned their Gladiator Ranks.
Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by Shaz
I guess same is a bad choice of word. What I meant is someone who is skilled and can get fast points in TA in an hours will be equivalent to someone who run Mending/HH W/Mo or E/D earth ele with stone daggers/all enchants in RA all day. They might not get the points in the same amount of time but they will get it if they keep playing enough. But basically you just prove my point that this is a bad idea, because it make the title about hours played rather then any skill at all.
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Another problem I see other than leechers, is the impact leavers will have. Join a game, 2 players on the other team leave, free glad point for doing NOTHING. This will make it a lot less painful when the monk decides to leave on the 10th battle though.
DokkyDok
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Originally Posted by Shadis
Don't mess with the Gladiator Track itself. Seems these changes that are being tested are meant to deal with RA Leavers. Simple solution? Remove Gladiator Points from RA.
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Shaz
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Originally Posted by Omniclasm
Aren't all titles based on time played? But hey, if that HH W/Mo puts in 12 hours a day, for a year, shouldn't he deserve a title? If he is putting in that much time, it seems like he would learn how to play sometime.
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And to answer your question, no that W/Mo does not deserve the title. Leave some titles with some meaning please. Because you said it yourself
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Another problem I see other than leechers, is the impact leavers will have. Join a game, 2 players on the other team leave, free glad point for doing NOTHING.
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This will make it a lot less painful when the monk decides to leave on the 10th battle though.
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BTW, when I talked about HA, I thought that might be a good solution if you're going to change it. Make it like HA so that the one that's good and get lots of consecutives can get more reward. But 1 per point and 5 extra per 5 consecutives is good but not enough to separate the good from the bad. Make the point change like HA.
For example
1 = 1 point
2 = 2 points
3 = 4 points
4 = 8 points
And can have it cap at one point like 40 like HA or something similar. That's just an example but if you're going to change it, do something similar to that. Everyone will have the title, but at least it will seperate the good from the bad somewhat. And of course the title tier will be change with that. And you can figure out yourself what formula you will use to change for the people with current gladiator title track. Even though I'm still for keeping the Glad title track as is.
Omniclasm
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Yes all titles are based on time played, but some required skills too. Like no matter how much time you put in GvG, if you aren't good you're not going to be champion. Same with Gladiator but easier to obtain because of RA, at least there were some skill involved. Or HA, you can grind Underworld all you want but you're not going to have the same title as those that win consecutives. There are other titles that require skills too but I'm not going to go into all of them.
And to answer your question, no that W/Mo does not deserve the title. Leave some titles with some meaning please. Because you said it yourself Btw, are you for or against this idea? hehe That never happen in TA (unless you PuG). I know not everyone have friends to TA but if you're trying to get glad in RA then that's just how it is. You can't control other action. BTW, when I talked about HA, I thought that might be a good solution if you're going to change it. Make it like HA so that the one that's good and get lots of consecutives can get more reward. But 1 per point and 5 extra per 5 consecutives is good but not enough to separate the good from the bad. Make the point change like HA. For example 1 = 1 point 2 = 2 points 3 = 4 points 4 = 8 points And can have it cap at one point like 40 like HA or something similar. That's just an example but if you're going to change it, do something similar to that. Everyone will have the title, but at least it will seperate the good from the bad somewhat. And of course the title tier will be change with that. And you can figure out yourself what formula you will use to change for the people with current gladiator title track. Even though I'm still for keeping the Glad title track as is. |
countesscorpula
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So you freak out over a change in a description that hasn't taken effect yet and don't know if any other changes are coming.....
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Da Mad M00
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Originally Posted by Ultra Mega
It wouldn't be unfair if they multiply everyones points by 20 (10 for each win and 2x5 for the 5 win bonus) and increase the amounts needed for each level. After reading the link in Gailes post it sounds like thats what they will do once they actually implement this change.
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If this change is going live then i am sure they'll find a nice way to do it.
Effendi Westland
This will definately clean up RA a bit.
Faer
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orrrrr how about you dont get gp in ra, then "leavers" are no longer a prob are they
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What a shame.
yesitsrob
20 per point would not be enough to be quite honest. Considering the large amount of bad you have to put up with for every glad point you'll occasially lose streaks at 9 or whatever. I'd expect a lot more than 20 for each of my points.
That said I don't really care because RA and TA blows anyway and it's just a shitty title at the end of the day. QQ less.
That said I don't really care because RA and TA blows anyway and it's just a shitty title at the end of the day. QQ less.
Lauryn
I don't see that this would be much of a problem if they increased what you needed for each title rank, It would be rather similar to HA - and that has been working fine (the title part anyway) for over two years.
Also it would be a lot better for the casual player, not everyone is as good as some of the people on these forums remember - and that doesn't make them less valid players
Also it would be a lot better for the casual player, not everyone is as good as some of the people on these forums remember - and that doesn't make them less valid players
MrFuzzles
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this does not change how many times ive gotton to win 9 and lost at 10... i know ive lost more times at 9 than 10, i dont know how... it always happens. now... considering all those pts were worthless hours of grinding... well that is still hardwork down the drain imo
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imo, RA should be the first place you can go to for some casual non-competitive pvp. Currently you are not very welcome at any pvp arenas unless you have all skills unlocked and "know how to play", because you will be "wasting" the time of those who are there to grind glad points.
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It seems that people have forgotten that leavers didn't simply start leaving matches when Gladiator Points were added to the game.
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Cass
A change like that seems like a good move to me. With at least a small reward for winning a match, the incentive for leaving is greatly reduced. I see this as a benefit for those who don't like leavers as well as those who do it.
RA should still count towards the title. It would be an ideal place to fool around solo and get a little title reward for it. I think I would enjoy RA a lot more with a system like that.
Concerns about the title are laughable. ALL titles in GW have been seriously devalued, get over it. Gladiator title is and always will be second-rate as it is generated by plain luck (RA), exploiting the game (synching RA), or exploiting FoTM builds that rely on 4v4 being a gimped platform without a chance to have universally playable builds.
RA should still count towards the title. It would be an ideal place to fool around solo and get a little title reward for it. I think I would enjoy RA a lot more with a system like that.
Concerns about the title are laughable. ALL titles in GW have been seriously devalued, get over it. Gladiator title is and always will be second-rate as it is generated by plain luck (RA), exploiting the game (synching RA), or exploiting FoTM builds that rely on 4v4 being a gimped platform without a chance to have universally playable builds.
kradens
yup. died planty of times at 9 myself.
i like the sounds of the titles new descriptions, it would certainly add a little more purpose and achievement to the RA matches, which are by far the most forgiving to new players.
just as long as the original gladiator guys get their points multiplied, this could turn out well.
i like the sounds of the titles new descriptions, it would certainly add a little more purpose and achievement to the RA matches, which are by far the most forgiving to new players.
just as long as the original gladiator guys get their points multiplied, this could turn out well.
Kelsey Cain
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yup. died planty of times at 9 myself.
i like the sounds of the titles new descriptions, it would certainly add a little more purpose and achievement to the RA matches, which are by far the most forgiving to new players. just as long as the original gladiator guys get their points multiplied, this could turn out well. |
Multiply the current systems points by ten and you would have a system that would encourage a lot more players to Play RA/TA
Delta_24
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20 per point would not be enough to be quite honest. Considering the large amount of bad you have to put up with for every glad point you'll occasially lose streaks at 9 or whatever. I'd expect a lot more than 20 for each of my points.
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