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symbiote

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

W/N

04 Aug 2007 at 23:29 - 1

OMFG!!!

Not 5 min ago I was playing GW_F... I was in about 30% done with the storyline lvl 16 Rt/N... and I wanted to do one more mission... but i could not put a team together.. because there were like 8 ppl in the town, with 7/8 afk :s

This is not only in GW_F but also in GW_P in some towns and districts... I dont have nightfall jet so i cant say about that...

Im sorry to see that GW is dying already...slowly...but shure is...

What dou you guys think about it??? Is GW dieing slowly and what about nightfall... same problems there???

What do you think...???

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

04 Aug 2007 at 23:31 - 2

I think Factions sucked, as did a large part of this community, hence no one plays there.

BTW GW isn't dying. If Gaile is correct the numer of players is at it's highest EVER.

pkodyssey

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

In a cardboard box with Internet

The Order of the Frozen Tundra (TofT)

N/

04 Aug 2007 at 23:35 - 3

"Already dying"

just in case you need the proper spelling.

but...

Why would you think otherwise. Nightfall is the new kid on the block.

Shiny object
Shiny object!!

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

04 Aug 2007 at 23:35 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

BTW GW isn't dying. If Gaile is correct the numer of players is at it's highest EVER.

PR spin. It's likely that there are more players overall, but who cares if there is a sharp player increase in Pre-Searing/Shing Jea/Istan when every other important area is barren?

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

04 Aug 2007 at 23:40 - 5

Already? This game has been around for 2+ years so if it is dying, it had a pretty good run. I'm sure GW:EN will revive the player base, people are a bit bored right now.

acidic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

04 Aug 2007 at 23:54 - 6

there is simply nothing to do in gw after you have finished the story. Titles? Grind. Items? All the same crap stats you get from merchants. Quests? Rewards are pitiful and xp is meaningless. This is why gw pve dies rapidly.

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

04 Aug 2007 at 23:55 - 7

All GW needs is cars, gore, and naked women, WAHLA!

symbiote

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

W/N

04 Aug 2007 at 23:57 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidic

there is simply nothing to do in gw after you have finished the story. Titles? Grind. Items? All the same crap stats you get from merchants. Quests? Rewards are pitiful and xp is meaningless. This is why gw pve dies rapidly.

good one... and about the spelling... my bad... gettin late

Jamison0071

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Melbourne, Australia

Morporkian Mercenaries

N/Me

04 Aug 2007 at 23:58 - 9

Oh good, I was worried - we didn't have a doomsday thread like this for what...30 minutes? Anyhoo, no the game is not dying though most people seem to avoid Factions because the majority disliked it (I personally loved it). Just go to Pre-Searing in Tyria and see how many noob questions are asked in a minute...its phenomenal. Also Nightfall is still very popular.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

04 Aug 2007 at 23:59 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by savage vapor 33

All GW needs is cars, gore, and naked women, WAHLA!

yes that would be nice

AAAAAAAAAAnyways......

I see bearly anyone in unwalking. Well that was a few months ago.But pre is goin good with 6 dis in ascalon =D

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

05 Aug 2007 at 00:11 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

I think Factions sucked, as did a large part of this community, hence no one plays there.

BTW GW isn't dying. If Gaile is correct the numer of players is at it's highest EVER.

Gaile said more NEW players than ever. as in... people who sit around presearing arguing about which 13 year old boy's female ele has the biggest breasts.

Sarik Stoneheart

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

[TSR] The Storm Riders

R/Mo

05 Aug 2007 at 00:28 - 12

never cared for Factions the way it was laid out it caused the disbanding of many a guild including mine. But I still play none the less and will continue till I can no longer enjoy it. My biggest regret in game is not PvPing but the guild I was in was not into that as much as most. I have lost much of the knowledge base for builds and how to use them by missing out on PvP. I still love doing the PvE missions and quests though. But, I must say GW is by no means DYING

Jumping Is Uselss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

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05 Aug 2007 at 00:46 - 13

I don't think GW is dying, people are just taking a long vacation from GW until new content is added.

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

05 Aug 2007 at 00:58 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jumping Is Uselss

I don't think GW is dying, people are just taking a long vacation from GW until new content is added.

yeah pretty much. which basically means it is dying, but GWEN will revive it for a couple months. after that..... well, lets just say GW2 better have one hell of an advertising campaign. An early alpha event for GW players would be a huge plus in terms of keeping people interested long enough for GW2 to come out.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

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Mo/

05 Aug 2007 at 00:59 - 15

The only thing keeping Factions alive is AB or Urgoz or the Deep or ppl farming greens.It went well for 3 months but who really likes the city area of KC.What is needed for those that just want to cap elites there is unlock the gates and eventually they will have to do something about Prophecies as it takes to long to get through it.

Don't forget it is summer so some are out doing things.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

05 Aug 2007 at 01:02 - 16

Meh I think Guild Wars started dying a few days after NF came out.

Wait till GWEN comes, and alot of people who took a break come back ^^

No new players will buy GW:EN, though, cause they need an other chapter for it...

As for the reasons... After you beat the storyline, it's either PvP or quitting. In the past, this was prevented with other stuff in the game, but they kept being altered and nerfed to the way they are now - not fun.

So yeah, most people who beat PvE most likely went to do PvP.

The difficulty of the game also might have to do with it. Missions like Thunderhead Keep used to be 'People stoppers'. Most people got stopped there, cause of the difficulty, and were forced to team up and creat good parties to beat it.

Now, that is no longer needed, as you can just fetch some henchies and beat that mission with the heroes, who have just the builds you needed. The rate which in people beat the game has increased, and the stuff to do after the game has been nerfed.

But I put my hopes in GW:EN, and hope people will start playing then again! (Since GW:EN has cool stuff to do next to the storyline, like the mini games, boredom shouldn't be a problem.

)

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

05 Aug 2007 at 01:02 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

The only thing keeping Factions alive is AB or Urgoz or the Deep or ppl farming greens.It went well for 3 months but who really likes the city area of KC.What is needed for those that just want to cap elites there is unlock the gates and eventually they will have to do something about Prophecies as it takes to long to get through it.

Don't forget it is summer so some are out doing things.

I got through prophecies ascended, max armor, lv 20, infused, up to ember light camp..... in a DAY on my mesmer. I don't think it takes too long

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

05 Aug 2007 at 01:06 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

I got through prophecies ascended, max armor, lv 20, infused, up to ember light camp..... in a DAY on my mesmer. I don't think it takes too long

:O..........:O:O!!!!

My ranger is at the fire island......and has been there for a while lol.Still havent beaten proph...but thats my new goal....beat proph before GW:EN comes out

Factions was awesome except for the city part.Loved everything else.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

05 Aug 2007 at 01:10 - 19

I wouldn't say dying, just more spread out.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

05 Aug 2007 at 01:12 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

I got through prophecies ascended, max armor, lv 20, infused, up to ember light camp..... in a DAY on my mesmer. I don't think it takes too long

In otherwords you got a run through it all.

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

05 Aug 2007 at 01:17 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

In otherwords you got a run through it all.

some runs, doing some of the more fun missions.... but tyria allows all that. plus ascention alone can gain 4 levels in one mission

tyria is just fine as it is. you can go through it at a steady pace, or you can rush through it, its completely up to choice. kinda wish the other two offered that...

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

05 Aug 2007 at 01:17 - 22

GW died for me when everyone I "grew up" playing with stopped playing, friends / community etc.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

05 Aug 2007 at 01:20 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

PR spin. It's likely that there are more players overall, but who cares if there is a sharp player increase in Pre-Searing/Shing Jea/Istan when every other important area is barren?

Also noticed that the game doesn't log you out after being afk for XX minutes like it used to.

Its costing them money when you are logged on so probably to say: Hey look at the traffic we have. This many people are logged on right now.

No telling how many of those are afk. If they go by copies sold that's also a false figure seeing as how many bots they are shutting down every month causing them to go buy more copies.

These gloom and doom things have been around forever nothing new. The reason areas are barren is because most players have been through everything already. Nothing left to do but farm or logg on at scheduled times to pvp.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

05 Aug 2007 at 01:24 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

GW died for me when everyone I "grew up" playing with stopped playing, friends / community etc.

Same here, I log on but I rarely 'play'. I miss the old people. But there is no doubting the player base is growing, the players are just 'different'.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

05 Aug 2007 at 01:26 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

No telling how many of those are afk. If they go by copies sold that's also a false figure seeing as how many bots they are shutting down every month causing them to go buy more copies.

Also note that ANet doesn't need to focus so much on how many people are still playing, but that they need to focus more on how many copies they buy.

jhu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

05 Aug 2007 at 01:39 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

Don't forget it is summer so some are out doing things.

wait, you mean there's more to life than guild wars?

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

05 Aug 2007 at 01:56 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhu

wait, you mean there's more to life than guild wars?

Its summer! its themepark season!

*reinstalls rollercoaster tycoon*

Indian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

[SWIM]/[HooD]/[RFE]

Me/

05 Aug 2007 at 02:46 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by symbiote

OMFG!!!

Not 5 min ago I was playing GW_F... I was in about 30% done with the storyline lvl 16 Rt/N... and I wanted to do one more mission... but i could not put a team together.. because there were like 8 ppl in the town, with 7/8 afk :s

This is not only in GW_F but also in GW_P in some towns and districts... I dont have nightfall jet so i cant say about that...

Im sorry to see that GW is dying already...slowly...but shure is...

What dou you guys think about it??? Is GW dieing slowly and what about nightfall... same problems there???

What do you think...???

I would say GW died a year ago, like couple months after factions released

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

05 Aug 2007 at 03:01 - 29

Well it'll have more life once GWEN is out, then about 2-3 months (more for overly ambitious/optimistic people) it'll die again till something new comes along.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

05 Aug 2007 at 03:22 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Well it'll have more life once GWEN is out, then about 2-3 months (more for overly ambitious/optimistic people) it'll die again till something new comes along.

There will be threads whining about GW:EN on release day. There will be people posting they are bored with it within the first week. People will rush to complete it, just so they can get whatever lame green is at the end, then they will come here to bitch about it.

Metal Herc

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

05 Aug 2007 at 03:43 - 31

GW is dying, PC gaming is dying, Freedom is dying, I am dying because I smoke, I am dying because the hormones in the beef...

Bah.. Naysayers.. People aleays say games are dying. And in all cases they have gone on for years.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

05 Aug 2007 at 03:46 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

There will be threads whining about GW:EN on release day. There will be people posting they are bored with it within the first week. People will rush to complete it, just so they can get whatever lame green is at the end, then they will come here to bitch about it.

QFT

Luckily, I will not be in that crowd. I always take my time on the new games, and depending on how long it is and how much time I have, I would say GW:EN will take me about a month to tackle - with one of my 10 characters. The next one will probably shoot through in half the time, or less, but I will still be enjoying it, no doubts.

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

05 Aug 2007 at 03:46 - 33

And so the community goes to the dark side of life………

Never thought I would see the day.

To the relevance of the topic though (even as dull and boring as it is); nope people are just taking an extended break at the moment they will return.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

05 Aug 2007 at 04:23 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by sindex

And so the community goes to the dark side of life………

Never thought I would see the day.

To the relevance of the topic though (even as dull and boring as it is); nope people are just taking an extended break at the moment they will return.

Join us!! the dark side rulzz!!!11

Darth Vadar cooks a mean beef roast, never play scrabble with the emperor, he cheats.

Back on topic - A lot of people are taking breaks, thats true. I'll start playing propery again when GW:EN is released.

Xiooua

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

Rt/

05 Aug 2007 at 04:36 - 35

Proph isn't so bad, most of Maguuma is deserted because it's the most pointless part of the game, so people just skip it. I've always played through it though.

Factions is dead once you leave the Luxon/Kurzick capitols. Also, people just generally dislike Factions, as others before me have said.

Nightfall isn't deserted, but because it has heroes, you can't really get groups anyway.

Guild Wars isn't dead. And GWEN will inject some life into it. And I think Anet knows that players will lose interest once they've completed GWEN, so I'm sure there's some content in it that's geared at keeping people somewhat occupied until GW2. But, that may be wishful thinking on my part.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

05 Aug 2007 at 04:39 - 36

Nah they will just keep adding more titles etc for those that waste time with that. Maybe a few areas that will copy the WoW raid partys etc

jrk247

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Twenty Gold For Mountain Troll [Tusk]

05 Aug 2007 at 04:54 - 37

I think people just have their expectations too high. It's a game people play it, beat it, and move on, and then there are people that stick around and play it and whine about it. FFS a game usually doesn't even last a year not to mention it's not a pay to play game so of course the content is not going to be the greatest.

But tbh I think GW died a long time ago, about the time Faction's was released.

Sharp.Edges

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Vix Lacuna

Mo/

05 Aug 2007 at 05:22 - 38

Factions was definitely what killed it for me. Once you got out of Shing Jea, it sucked.

It is dying, sure, but slowly. There's still plenty of people on, just not as many as there used to be. GW:EN will fix that though.

dronex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

05 Aug 2007 at 05:37 - 39

Ummm thats why blizzard made WOw right ? when were bored from GW we go there

haha i know i do *thumbsup* i hope gwen brings many ppl in its outposts.

acidic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

05 Aug 2007 at 05:43 - 40

Good games have high staying power. Blizzard for example makes incredibly polished games that keeps players interested for years. Starcraft? 10 years and still going strong. Warcraft 3? 6 years and still going strong. Diablo II? 7 years and still keeping its share.

What makes all of them last so long is the amount of stuff to do even after you beat the game. GW offers greens with rehashed stats....titles to grind which most of them are useless...quests that rewards pitiful gold and useless xp.... This is why pve wise gw dies faster than other games.

Take a look at old games like diablo II, you get all the way to lvl 99 and that could take months, and when you die you lose xp so there was a real incentive on not dying and keeping it exciting. And for people saying that its such a grind, well its not. You don't need a lvl 99 to beat the game, in fact most people in early level 70's beat the game in hell. But once you beat the game theres something to work on that actually rewards you....The problem with gw is that the idea of skills over time played works at first, but since everyone can copy skills it just become a matter of having the right build (COPY & paste), it becomes very stale very fast. Again besides that theres the item collecting part of the game. Guildwars is communistic in taht it forces everyones item to be a certain quality even for the newbie. This is all fine and dandy for pvp, but to make a lasting pve experience, collecting fat lootz is a must. I'm talking about the same old q9 20fcr/20fsr/30life, how about something different, q9 100life staff without fcr/fsr etc..etc... or +3 skills without fsr,fcr.... Now I know some of you say thats overpowered and will become cookie cutter. WELL Let me ask you this, aren't all of you using those q9 max vamp weps now? Aren't they cookie cutter? And I would guess almost everyone runs the same build for an area and if there are any differences it would be virtually minor? So don't give me the objection of overpowered and cookie cutter when its already present in the game.