Survivor and LDoA on Same Character

Is it possible to get Legendary Survivor and Legendary Defender of Ascalon on the same character?

I was thinking about this. I've read all the posts about this topic and the answer given is always "Nope! Not possible!" This answer is always backed up with proof.

Guess what? There is a way.

No, I'm not drunk. I thought about a bit and you really can achieve both. It's not easy, heck it may even be impossible at this point, but a hole remains open that says it's POSSIBLE. Extremely, extremely, extremely improbable and to be honest I doubt anyone will ever achieve it, but still there is the slightest sliver of hope.

Ok, enough rambling. I know you're dying to hear my theory.

The posts that I've read on the subject have all debated that if a hard rez existed in Presearing then both titles are achievable. You need a friend that's as crazy and determined as you are on this goal. You partner up with your friend and go find some monster to death-level. Your friend dies over and over and over again while you use your hard rez to keep rezzing him. Once the monster reaches Level 20, your friend maps out and you kill it. You've just gained experience by death leveling without actually dying and kept your survivor track.

Alas, there are no hard rezzes in Pre-searing so that ends that method.

Or, are there?

If someone smuggles in a monk tome, you now have a hard rez in Pre. Is this possible? Perhaps! If it is, that smuggler stands to make a ton of gold.

How? Well anyone with a Perma-Pre character is aware of the guild hall exploit that existed in the game a long time ago. Arenanet found the exploit and patched it up long ago, yet items that were smuggled into Pre from the halls remain in Pre still.

I know what you're thinking. That exploit was fixed way before tomes were introduced.

What if someone had their presearing character in the guild hall when the exploit was plugged? What if that character is still there today? They could get some tomes and return to Pre today. Once back in Pre they are stuck there, but they could still be stuck there with a bagful of monk tomes.

Ok, that's my theory in a nutshell. Basically if any pre-searing characters were still in the guild halls when tomes were introduced, both titles are possible. The odds of actually achieving it are still close to nil but never say never.

I'm really interested to know if any tomes made it into pre.

BUBBLE POPPING 101 BASIC

a new build is available please log out and log back in

character is not in GH and patch is done.

character logs back in in pre and GH no longer there

POOF

no tomes in pre. there's a way to get ldoa and survivor at the same time tho. it takes 2 accounts, one with a ldoa already. the amount of time needed is monstrous but u can afk it overnight.
going public as soon as i complete mine, dont want anet to close this exploit to soon

thats funny cause some of my mules stayed in the guild hall for over a year. allthough they all got booted back to temple of balthazar or wherever a couple of days ago (strangely enough soon after the possibility was made aware to arenanet on presearing.com)

There are in fact tomes in pre.

Yea my guild leader said someone had apply poison and barrage.
Really bugs me because i didnt get to do that GH trick lol.

Using the same 8 skills does get tiring.

I wouldnt it be cool if there was ummmmmm a....lets see i dunno charr tome or something?

There is lot of weird stuff in pre.

I for one have ranger that can change secondary classes. no kiding. (bug that made it possible was fixed long time ago btw.)

This makes me wonder if you can bring your pre characters to your hall of monuments and get invited to other peoples. I mean how else are lvl 20's gonna get theyre LDoA title in there besides leave pre, which i would never do after all that time.

What ifs ifs resserect should be a presearing skill anyway and restorelife a post.

There is another way I think. And I believe people are already trying it. I made a new pre character recently and I rushed it to post by going straight to the arena. I noticed some higher level players there and they were kicking the crap out of the lower level players. I dunno if this was just faction farming, or if they are trying for both legendary and survivor but herein lies a method to do it and it requires lots of hard work and cooperation between 2 or more people.

Firstly, designate who will be the one to attain both titles. This person CANNOT die of course. Then you have 1-2 or more people cooperating to level each other up by of course, killing each other for XP. When the presear arena ends, everybody logs out and logs back in and they will wind up back in presear ascalon where they can play the arena again. Thus they need to play in that presear arena over and over and over to kill each other and level up. Finally, the person designated to get both titles kills those levelled up players over and over until they hit level 20. Now on to post sear where they have to get their survivor title. Voila, you can get both titles.

Obviously, the more people involved in this feat the better because if 8 players enter the arena at the same time and they are all friendlies, this is the perfect controlled environment to level up the designated players to level 20. Possibly, the experience increases even more if the other 3 players on the same team as the designated leave the arena early and leave the designated to collect ALL of the experience from kills rather than sharing. This could be sped up if the opposing players sac themselves or use vampiric weapons to kill themselves so the designated can collect xp faster.

I imagine a single guild set to this task could accomplish it fairly quickly. Any individual who wants to try it might find it hard to pull off.

wrong my sweet revenga, you will not get sent back to ascalon you will get sent to the rurik mission when you log back in.

I guess the release of GW:EN and the Hall of Monuments will answer our questions about account vs character-specific achievements.

It makes sense for them to be account-wide because we can't get both LDoA and Legendary Survivor on the same toon. Anet is aware of this and it will surely cause a riot if we don't get the recognition we deserve by having all accomplishments on show and the inheritance bonuses off all characters passing on to our GW2 accounts.

I personally think that unlocking monuments will be like unlocking skills, runes and weapon upgrades and will pass on to unlock weapon skins, armour skins and upgrades in GW2. I can't see the title accomplishments of a single GW toon rolling over and being reincarnated in GW2 where titles like Protector of Elona for example will have no meaning...assuming there's no Elona

Its theoretically possible. Using the death leveling method just make one person die and the other person rez the other person. This would of course take twice as long and you couldn't use the rez shrine trick.

I doubt this would work, but could you get a pet to stay at a res shrine, and set to "Heel" with you behind it and keep resurrecting as it death-levels? Or would it just run around?

And you cannot go afk. You have to press '1' every 20-30seconds. That is assuming that you have a hard res skill.

It would have to be Rebirth. You can do it from a distance and it has a teleport.

@cYC756: I like the pet idea. Pets gain levels from monsters so it stands to reason that monsters gain experience from them. This would probably help you get a Dire pet as well.

Your pet only gives monsters exp after its first death. Any subsequent deaths yield no gain.

Pets dont work the monster only gets the experience once then it does not again. Also to the people who left their pre-searing char's in GH, wouldn't you be kicked out when anet does their server maintenence? I've never actually be on one but I have read about them in notes and its states that their servers go down for a few hours.

Not possible - you get one rez out of Resurrection Signet and both party members need to die to be resurrected again.

I know some1 that has ressurct already learned via tome and is planning on doing this , level 17 atm..

Quote from a Pre-Searing thread in Sardelac Sanitarium....

So that's how all those tomes (and other stuff) got into Pre-Searing!!! I knew about the GH glitch that was plugged over a year ago and I knew that some chars were still camped there and used it to smuggle stuff in. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. If I had had the game at the time I probably would have done the same thing.

But, this is just wrong!!! It's the equivalent of a hack. Sorry, but I've just lost all respect for those folks that are achieving both Survivor and LDoA if this is how they did it. (Or, bought the tomes off other people who did)

Are there tomes in presear? If yes, how did they get there? *edited...answered while I was posting*

There go my hopes for getting apply poison in presear.

As far as I know Arena Net has been trying to do everything to prevent players from getting both Survivor and LDoA.

If they would make it so that once you get Survivor/LDoA you can't get LDoA/Survivor, even if you have both, one would disappear, then it will be all balanced again.

Even if Arena Net wanted you to have both titles it would be unfair towards players already having Survivor OR LDoA, which would cause a riot.

probably just my dumb idea
wont the new mission pack make it possible

Not if you have a tome. I bet it would be enormously expensive to get one though. Its also not supposed to be possible to have Vampiric weapons in Pre but people still have them.

Tomes do not drop in pre-Searing.

And since they where added after fixing the 'go to guild hall' glitch, it means that anyone made any kind of evil cheat.

Ahh well that kills that idea. I dunno never actually tried it heh. I guess that leaves Drop of Fear's method with 2 accounts which I'll assume he uses the one account with LDOA already, lets some monsters keep killing that character, and maybe rez if he got a hard rez out of a tome. Then takes the 2nd account and kills those levelled up monsters? Damn that does sound slow.....

Because didnt they used to drop on purple weps?Silly update when factions came out made them drop on golds only I would love a zealous bow in pre lol.

If that's the case, then Drop of Fear is using the exact method that I outlined in my original post. Only at the time that I posted it, I assumed that the only method of bringing tomes into pre was camped GH characters that had been camped there since the dawn of time (or at least since the exploit was open).

But, as HT Ingram pointed out, the tomes actually entered pre thru a mod hack. This should be unacceptable to all decent players. I really wish Arenanet would do a sweep and clean up pre.

- Remove all the tomes and other items that entered pre thru the hack.
- Remove the skills learned by the tome users.
- Close the PermaPre kidnapping exploit (other thread)

Drop of Fear seemed to imply in his post that he was using an entirely different method to achieve both titles. I hope that is the case and if so, I wish him well. If he's just using the hack or bought a tome from a hacker then I have no respect for his accomplishment.

What they need to do is have Hard Mode for Pre searing Because So many people enjoy that area its so happy

just to stand that i completely guarantee that i've nothing to do with bringing tomes in pre. i dont even have the amount of time needed to keep rezzing the poor saccer. and i seriously hope a.net finds a way to ban for good anyone who achieves survivor in presearing using 1 monk tome / or worse, multiple tomes.
my worst gw fear is that someoe actualy gets survivor and ldoa with the hackmod and soon after exit presearing, escaping a.net ban.

Although I'm sure it is one of the few if not the only way, I doubt ANet would make LDOA only attaniable by going afk for 10 hours and having charr level on you than killing them...is that semi-farming? If there's another way though, it can't be easy.

As of now, the only way to get to level 20 in Pre is through death leveling. If there was another, more reasonable way, I'm sure it would be widely known by now. That and the majority of the people who've already obtained the title would be complaining like there's no tomorrow.

To say nothing of Canthan and Elonian characters...

Anet has the tendancy to remove any glitches that chatch theyr attention without punishijng the people using those same glitches. This way they're saying:Hey, if you find a glitch before we do and make tons of gold from this, it's ok.
This means that people keep searching for new glitches and keep finding them because they know Anet won't punish them. The thing with the tomes in presearing is just 1 example..next time itmight aswell involve a glitch involving max armor in presearing and Anet will reward anyone who finds such a glitch before they do.

The only way to fix these glitches in presearing forever is by either deleting or sending to post any character that owns post skills or has tomes in theyr inventory and furthermore do the same with anyone who possesses any post items.

The tomes in pre situation also proves that letting poeple keep their expert salvages, vamp items and other post stuff in pre was a mistake, it encourages poeplke to keep finding and using glitches right untill the end of guildwars. These glitches are exploited for gaining gold and much of this gold is being sold for real world cash..I realy can't understand why Anet lets these people get away with this every single time!

I might aswell try to find a legitimate way to make someone else trade me, trade all theyr stuff to me in a way that wasn't intended (meaning I can rob anyonces accounts clean legitimally)and they'll respond that I may keep all the stuff I trdaed from other poeple becasue I used a legitimate cheat..I mean legitimate mechanism (i.e. trading myself)to trade these items to myself.
With the way things are going this would actually be allowed by Anet as long as the mistake is caused by something that ANet did wrong. As long as I can keep finding new exploits and can keep exploiting them I won't ever be punished for them, not even if I ruin someone elses gameplay due to such an exploit because thei'll consider that I did it legitimately.

They should've deleted all the gold items and other post items right from the start but they decided not to, becasue those post items in pre had been traded legitimately from characters that kept visiting their guildhalls using an exploit that Anet did fix.


People using these exploits have made MILLIONS of gold because of these glitches..even sold gold made in this manner for real world US dollars...and Anet will keep letting them do so...if you find a glitch before Anet does..you're home free!!

They should treat the first one reporting the glitch and punish those that abused them.

couldn't you map out before the arena expires? sorry, never tried it, so I don't know the answer.

yeah, if you altf4 in the mission leading to postsear wouldnt it take you mack to presear? and even if you just appear in the mission area, couldnt you jsut map out before the timer reaches 0?

this question also connects with the pre-kidnappings that have been talked about

Tomes what about lightbringer scrolls? Gain Defender title 3*faster

You have the LDOA death level and you res him repeatedly. Same way you death lvl a pet.