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Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

10 Aug 2007 at 16:12 - 41

[QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Does anet know how long it takes to get up there?

they have the logs the stats the charts showing everything so yes they know

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Titles are finite.

they said more would be added did you miss that?

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The players streaming in, however, are not. Eventually the supply of players will dry up, and no one will achieve max titles anymore, and that means no more favor.

complete BS as they will simply adjust what is needed to qualify.

add more titles

make an access quest

this is not set in stone and will see many tweeks in the near future.

now we have PVE controlling a PVE area which is exactly wha has been yelled for.

SIDENOTE

EVERYTIME I HIT /FAVOR IT WAS NO LESS THAN 48 MINUTES AND SEVERAL TIMES OVER 60 MINUTES

STOP BITCHING BEFORE HURT

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

10 Aug 2007 at 16:31 - 42

Why do we have to have favor of the gods to clear up their realm?

Wouldn't Ascending and beating the game be enough? That way, everyone can do UW/FoW. It'll be equal, and nobody has to wait.

I do agree this is better than the old system for non-Europeans, but once most titles have been maxed out, it'll be over.

And the titles in GW:EN are probably going to be SS/LB style grindfest titles, because you get factions for parties, so they'll be maxed out fairly quickly, so yeah...

back to old system: /notsigned
remove the whole 'only favor under certain conditions' thing, and let us go to UW/FoW after beating the game and ascending: /signed

KiyaKoreena

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Kirins of Holy Light

N/

10 Aug 2007 at 16:31 - 43

/notsigned for reasons people already gave

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

10 Aug 2007 at 16:42 - 44

There are only two good points in the new system:
- Non permament, so favor is still 'especial'.
- Worldwide, so no region is left out.

And two very, very WRONG points:
- To slow and dependant of limited, non-repeatable values.
- Quests that require favor are unatainable until favor is got.

The solution? There are many posibles.
- Keep avatars responding even without favor, but reduce prices when having favor to 50% and increase prices of their services without favor to 200%.
- Give favor when X elite missions are finished.

eightyfour-onesevenfive

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

7??13'35" E - 50??06'27" N

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

10 Aug 2007 at 16:48 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper

O_o what will happen when there is no more titels left to max??

And when do you expect will that happen? I'd say not before:

- Anet stops adding tiles
- New players stop joining the game
- Old players stop creating new characters.

That should be around the release date of GW2.

And if the number of maxable titles should decrease significantly, all Anet has to do is adjust how many are needed. Problem fixed.

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

10 Aug 2007 at 16:55 - 46

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

I've been on for just over 2 hours, and we've just picked up favour for the second time. 50% access is 3-4 times more than what I'm used to so.

/notsigned.

Yeah, favor is so much better now. whiners FTL

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

EVERYTIME I HIT /FAVOR IT WAS NO LESS THAN 48 MINUTES AND SEVERAL TIMES OVER 60 MINUTES

STOP BITCHING BEFORE HURT

QFT. People go out of their way to bitch, even when something is working. it's so annoying.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

10 Aug 2007 at 17:02 - 47

Type /favor every once in a while to see if there is favor and no need to hang around doing nothing, when favor comes you get an hour to form a group. I say say give it a chance before complaining.

ChaoticCoyote

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Florida, USA

Imperial Order of the Iguana [IGGY]

R/

10 Aug 2007 at 17:40 - 48

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Originally Posted by Forever Faithless

Ok i don't know if this can go here but if it can't mods please move.

After sitting in TOA many hours having allready got titles on loads of chars i realised this new system is rubbish it can't possibly work so therefor i have started this petition to put a end to it.

I counted over 80 Monks.Necros with nothing to do in TOA this is just wrong people want to farm so let them farm either by having no favour (which would be the best way as its equal then) or by the old system.

I rest my case so anyone in favour of no favour system or back to the old one pls post here now and hopefully Gaile or Anet will see this and the matter will be resolved soon.

Bad news -- the system IS working. Favor's been available for several hours IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY (here on the U.S. East Coast). There's 75 minutes to go as I type this.

So what's your complaint? Favor is avialable when it normally wouldn't be. Isn;t that an improvement?

Razz Thom

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Three Feet Below Sea [LevL]

D/Mo

10 Aug 2007 at 17:40 - 49

it worked out well for me last night.....no muss, no fuss, pay 1k and on my way. new system is ok. and i'm sure it will be changed again soon, so give it a chance and stop crying.

P.S. anyone else notice that the loudest arguements against the change are from EU players?

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

10 Aug 2007 at 17:46 - 50

as i said, a change was needed, but this was stupid.

Bubba

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Netherlands

port sledge snow cones [COLD]

10 Aug 2007 at 17:56 - 51

/favor
77 minutes of favor of the gods remaining

/notsigned

Rich_Izy

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/A

10 Aug 2007 at 18:01 - 52

I wonder how this system would work when most of the GW players go on to GW2

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

10 Aug 2007 at 18:13 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich_Izy

I wonder how this system would work when most of the GW players go on to GW2

they will simply adjust the requirements

foo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

N/

10 Aug 2007 at 18:22 - 54

/notsigned

(and I'm a European player).

Clobimon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

10 Aug 2007 at 18:37 - 55

/notsigned as well

a good thing is that everyone can pretty much estimate when favor will arrive now. /favor "Oh, just need 2 more achievements. It should open up in 10 minutes or so. Lets set up." Much better than having no clue whatsoever when it would come. Also, now everyone is locked out and waiting at the same time (janitors come in and sweep, take out the garbage and snoop in desks) - except for scrolls. After the update it opened in around 1h 20m and stayed open for almost three hours. I only checked once after it closed again but it was well on its way to reopening again.

I think it's working just fine and anyone that's not used to having favor 95% of the time shouldn't be upset. It may have to be tweaked/adjusted periodically, but the idea seems fine.

Pkest

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Hooded Reavers of Eternal Life(Ankh)

R/

10 Aug 2007 at 18:50 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

yes now japan and taiwan have no chances at all of going in, so /signed for the sake of our fellow gamers.

favor is now global so everyone gets it at the same time.

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

10 Aug 2007 at 18:57 - 57

/not signed

I think this is a good move and should be a perk to all. Some people will finally see the place. Like Americans that play during Europe Domination time of the day. Only thing I can see be upset with if they post your name on the big screen for all to see is the spam latté you will get (thanks man, GG, Finally, great job Etc..) from five hundred people.

ScorpDeception63

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kentucky

Shaemoor University [UoS] (Leader)

W/Mo

10 Aug 2007 at 19:04 - 58

/Signed

Why? Because I think this will demote Hero's Ascent. Could this problem have not been solved an easier and more effective way? The only reason people have to go to Hero's Ascent now is to get higher ranked, not fight for their country in PvP and win favor so they could go to the FoW and UW. While I do say that it wasn't fair to other countries, like I said earlier, it could have been solved a better way. To me, It's almost like this new method is pushing people into getting maxed titles.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

10 Aug 2007 at 19:10 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63

The only reason people have to go to Hero's Ascent now is to get higher ranked

That's the only reason they've ever gone there, really.

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Originally Posted by Pkest

favor is now global so everyone gets it at the same time.

The person you quoted was sarcastic, apparently.

ScorpDeception63

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kentucky

Shaemoor University [UoS] (Leader)

W/Mo

10 Aug 2007 at 19:17 - 60

That could be taken as stereotyping. No, people didn't HA just for fame, a lot of them did it to win favor for their country. Europe has it during the day, america at night, and occasionally the others came in.

While I will say a large majority of people did HA just for fame, some didn't, or did for it and more. Now, only fame can be achieved.

JDStrider

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Galveston, TX

Rayvens Elite Dragons

10 Aug 2007 at 19:27 - 61

Hmm... /favor 96 minutes remaining
/notsigned
I like the new system because now we can have favor during the day and not at 11 or 12 at night.

LobsterMobster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

SBD

N/Me

10 Aug 2007 at 19:30 - 62

Geez, already complaining? At least give it a shot...

Komradkyle

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Pennsylvania, USA

W/

10 Aug 2007 at 19:32 - 63

I like the change. But HA has been dead for Americans for over a year now its even more dead.

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

10 Aug 2007 at 19:38 - 64

/not signed

The minute I saw how the new system was going to work, I said to myself, "self, Europe is going to be so pissed about this, I wonder how long it will take them to start crying about it." It was just about 12 hours later.

Entreri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

10 Aug 2007 at 19:48 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by HayesA

/NOT SIGNED

x100,000,000 (and so on)

This new system actually makes sense, unlike how PvP governs elite PvE zones. Which didn't make sense.

Yeah, makes perfect sense, especially when you look at the lore of the gods in GW.

Balthazar: God of candy and cupcakes
Dwayna: Goddess of getting wasted
Grenth: God of drawing really good maps
...

you get the idea. Since the system now completely fits with the interests of the gods it makes total sense that this would be the basis on how they grant favor. It's not like the gods favor war and death or anything.

Tylos Angelheart

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Leigon of the Shattered Dagger

R/Mo

10 Aug 2007 at 19:52 - 66

if you want equal access just remove the favour system... yeah itrs supposed to be an elite area but sos urgoz and the deep you dont need kurzick or luxon favour to get them you just turn up... this new system is well...poo! bring back the Hall of Heroes! i dont even do PvP and i dont like this, nor do i even go to UW or FoW much and i really think this is a bad idea.

either change it back, change it so its summin that makes sense or just remove it from the game completely.

I DONT CARE WHO GETS TITLES. THIS IS SUPOSED TO BE SUMMIN FOR PEOPLE TO ACHIEVE GRADUALLY NOT SOMETHING FORCED UPON US!!!

/signed

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

10 Aug 2007 at 19:52 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63

That could be taken as stereotyping.

Are you implying sterotypes are false? How do sterotypes exist in the firstplace?

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Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63

No, people didn't HA just for fame, a lot of them did it to win favor for their country. Europe has it during the day, america at night, and occasionally the others came in.

Of course there are exceptions, but said exceptions are so insignificant that it barely matters.

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Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63

While I will say a large majority of people did HA just for fame, some didn't, or did for it and more. Now, only fame can be achieved.

And it won't have any effect on Heroe's Ascent whatsoever - it will still function the same just as it always has.

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

10 Aug 2007 at 19:54 - 68

It's been out for a day. It's too early to judge. In the long run, yes, it might end up coming to and end as titles stop being grinded. But surely we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

10 Aug 2007 at 20:02 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63

That could be taken as stereotyping. No, people didn't HA just for fame, a lot of them did it to win favor for their country. Europe has it during the day, america at night, and occasionally the others came in.

While I will say a large majority of people did HA just for fame, some didn't, or did for it and more. Now, only fame can be achieved.

and you missed all those posts over the last years from pvp people bitterly complaining that they cant be in 2 places at once.

earning favor or getting access reward for favor.

now everybody gets the benefit of people getting titles they would have anyway even without the favor

even OMG all those people who have already maxed a bunch of titles before this was announced.

no extra grind morons the titles were being worked on anyway and if it were changed back??????????.................

they would still do exactly the same title grind because they want the title not as a gaming civic duty

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

10 Aug 2007 at 20:03 - 70

The amount of people that HA'd for favor you could probably count on one finger.

I knew of no one in 2+ years of playing that ever HA'd for favor.

ScorpDeception63

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kentucky

Shaemoor University [UoS] (Leader)

W/Mo

10 Aug 2007 at 20:08 - 71

Bryant, you're basically saying that the people who did do HA for more than just fame, are insignificant and don't matter. You're wrong. You can't just forget a group of people and say their insignificant.

And you don't know whether or not it will function exactly how it is now, that is strictly your opinion.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

10 Aug 2007 at 20:12 - 72

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tylos Angelheart

i dont even do PvP and i dont like this, nor do i even go to UW or FoW much and i really think this is a bad idea.

so you literally have nothing to do with it but that qualifies you to an expert whine.....go boy

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I DONT CARE WHO GETS TITLES. THIS IS SUPOSED TO BE SUMMIN FOR PEOPLE TO ACHIEVE GRADUALLY NOT SOMETHING FORCED UPON US!!!

nobody is forcing anything on anybody as they were going after ttles anyway before this

in case you missed it

nobody is forcing anything on anybody as they were going after ttles anyway before this

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

10 Aug 2007 at 20:14 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63

Bryant, you're basically saying that the people who did do HA for more than just fame, are insignificant and don't matter. You're wrong. You can't just forget a group of people and say their insignificant.

I'd rather shut out those very few people who play HA for favor and make it possible for the Taiwan, Japan and Korea territories to finally be able to experience FoW and UW.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63

And you don't know whether or not it will function exactly how it is now, that is strictly your opinion.

You still seem to overestimate how many people HA for favor.

HayesA

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Pennsylvania

E/

10 Aug 2007 at 20:15 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entreri

Yeah, makes perfect sense, especially when you look at the lore of the gods in GW.

Balthazar: God of candy and cupcakes
Dwayna: Goddess of getting wasted
Grenth: God of drawing really good maps
...

you get the idea. Since the system now completely fits with the interests of the gods it makes total sense that this would be the basis on how they grant favor. It's not like the gods favor war and death or anything.

You're taking what I said out of context. Indeed, suger toothe, and drunken titles qualify for favour now. So does protector/guardian, map exploration, and vanquishing zones. Indeed, some titles are farmable, but some also require skill. What I meant by what I said, which, it seems, everyone but you understood, is that an elite PvE zone is now governed by acomplishments in PvE. NOT by accomplishments by PvP.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

10 Aug 2007 at 20:18 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism2525

as i said, a change was needed, but this was stupid.

It's amazing how people can prejudge something without giving it a chance.

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

10 Aug 2007 at 20:20 - 76

120 minutes now.
we'll see how this develop the following days. but considering that many many ppl are afking the 9 rings or playing the dragon arena at the moment, i foresee that a.net will tweak this new favor system. 1 title = 2 minutes. we're not supposed to have favor 24/7 are we?

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

10 Aug 2007 at 20:22 - 77

Oh lord, after 2 years of whining (from one side or another) about favor being tied to PvP Anet changes it and lo and behold, the whining starts again but now to change it back....

When I started playing Europe almost never had favor, then EU became the dominant region and the US faced the problem as do the other regions such as Korea, China etc.
Now everyone can have favor and ofcourse, this is also met with pages of complaints.

I'm willing to bet if they abolished favor altogether this would also be met with page after page of complaints, if I was Anet I'd stop listening to you people altogether and just proceed as I (the designer of the game) think its best because no matter what they do or dont do the whining is incessant anyway.

ScorpDeception63

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kentucky

Shaemoor University [UoS] (Leader)

W/Mo

10 Aug 2007 at 20:26 - 78

I'm not overestimating, I know darn right the number is very small, but to say that it won't effect it what-so-ever is ignorant, we have to wait and see. And like I also said, maybe not on this specific post but another, they could have done this a much better way than the way they did IMO, so the other countries had a chance. Not completely get rid of favor.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

10 Aug 2007 at 20:28 - 79

If ANet somehow created the ultimate update that gave everyone everything they ever wanted all the time and made everyone happy...

... you'd see people in the forum complaining that there's nothing left to complain about.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

10 Aug 2007 at 20:33 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63

I'm not overestimating, I know darn right the number is very small, but to say that it won't effect it what-so-ever is ignorant, we have to wait and see.

Yes, we'll have to wait and see. But I firmly, strongly believe that it won't change. As long as there are /rank emotes, HA will be crowded.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63

And like I also said, maybe not on this specific post but another, they could have done this a much better way than the way they did IMO, so the other countries had a chance. Not completely get rid of favor.

What do you have in mind, then?