fow narrowmindedness
populationcontrol
thats exactly my point, YOU DONT MAKE THE RULES. and once again how exactly is choosing your own strategy to kill enemies and help alllies ruining the team or backstabing (and the monk that got team killed, was i guess in ur perspective a team player), chill out its my game and just like your allowed to play anything you want others have that right as well. and once again the point of the build is to post similar strategies on fow that arent really seen in fow, and yes i value creative strategic freedom far over prejudice. this thread is for people to come up with "out of the ordinary strategies" they use to inspire people to stray from that painfully common build in fow. dont take this as a personal affront dude seriously
neoflame
yeah i've been running almost the same ranger build since proph it goes
barrage
choking gas
ignite arrows
kindle arrows
read the wind
nature's renewal
tranquility
quickening zephyr
it's an awesome build and nr makes choking gas better at interrupting hexes and stuff. oh and i don't need a secondary so i go /monk to make people think i'm some noob with mending touch or a hard rez lols
barrage
choking gas
ignite arrows
kindle arrows
read the wind
nature's renewal
tranquility
quickening zephyr
it's an awesome build and nr makes choking gas better at interrupting hexes and stuff. oh and i don't need a secondary so i go /monk to make people think i'm some noob with mending touch or a hard rez lols
upier
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
thats exactly my point, YOU DONT MAKE THE RULES. and once again how exactly is choosing your own strategy to kill enemies and help alllies ruining the team or backstabing (and the monk that got team killed, was i guess in ur perspective a team player), chill out its my game and just like your allowed to play anything you want others have that right as well. and once again the point of the build is to post similar strategies on fow that arent really seen in fow, and yes i value creative strategic freedom far over prejudice. this thread is for people to come up with "out of the ordinary strategies" they use to inspire people to stray from that painfully common build in fow. dont take this as a personal affront dude seriously
Team leader > all other party members.
His party = his shit.
If you don't like it YOU should leave.
His party = his shit.
If you don't like it YOU should leave.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by neoflame
yeah i've been running almost the same ranger build since proph it goes
barrage
choking gas
ignite arrows
kindle arrows
read the wind
nature's renewal
tranquility
quickening zephyr
it's an awesome build and nr makes choking gas better at interrupting hexes and stuff. oh and i don't need a secondary so i go /monk to make people think i'm some noob with mending touch or a hard rez lols Liar! Tranquillity is a Factions skill
And i'm with Zinger... the build in your OP sucks. The skills from blood i don't care about... but your selection of skills from Tactics is stupid and the fact you have 3 soul reaping on a PvE necro is beyond idiotic. The fact your attempting to justify having a decent amount of life steal and ripostes (1 which requires adren) as an excuse for basically attempting to tank is EXACTLY why as a Monk i would want you kicked from the group too.
And yeah... FoW is easy, cookie cutters are not needed, but wannabe Necro life stealing riposte tanks is exactly the sort of thing a pug monk does not want to heal.
barrage
choking gas
ignite arrows
kindle arrows
read the wind
nature's renewal
tranquility
quickening zephyr
it's an awesome build and nr makes choking gas better at interrupting hexes and stuff. oh and i don't need a secondary so i go /monk to make people think i'm some noob with mending touch or a hard rez lols Liar! Tranquillity is a Factions skill
And i'm with Zinger... the build in your OP sucks. The skills from blood i don't care about... but your selection of skills from Tactics is stupid and the fact you have 3 soul reaping on a PvE necro is beyond idiotic. The fact your attempting to justify having a decent amount of life steal and ripostes (1 which requires adren) as an excuse for basically attempting to tank is EXACTLY why as a Monk i would want you kicked from the group too.
And yeah... FoW is easy, cookie cutters are not needed, but wannabe Necro life stealing riposte tanks is exactly the sort of thing a pug monk does not want to heal.
Government Flu
I didn't get a full set of FoW armor for my warrior by joining teams that had elementalists using aegis and necromancers spamming vampiric gaze. While there are multiple ways to successfully run through the Fissure of Woe, if you don't use one of the builds that have been tried and true, you're cutting back your effectiveness greatly.
It's okay if you and a few friends want to experiment with different skills in an attempt to create another good build, but don't join a PUG without knowing the ins and outs of the area you want to excel at. Know the skills, know the demands, know your team, and you'll do fine.
Remember, general PvE doesn't always apply to high end areas. One person, just one person, can screw everything up for you.
It's okay if you and a few friends want to experiment with different skills in an attempt to create another good build, but don't join a PUG without knowing the ins and outs of the area you want to excel at. Know the skills, know the demands, know your team, and you'll do fine.
Remember, general PvE doesn't always apply to high end areas. One person, just one person, can screw everything up for you.
MithranArkanere
There should be a Polymock arena.
There people will know that more important that the build, is knowing how to use it.
Of course there are builds that work perfectly for the job. Like the infamous 'Solo Green Farmer'. But variations are always possible.
Narrowmindedness coms when they sitch you out for using 'Cry of Frustation' instead of 'Cry of Pain'.
We have the templates jus in case any of the members do not havve a good build for the area, but people should not judge so fast.
But, whatever you do, you should always tell other the real build you are taking, if they do not want it, join other party or change builds.
There people will know that more important that the build, is knowing how to use it.
Of course there are builds that work perfectly for the job. Like the infamous 'Solo Green Farmer'. But variations are always possible.
Narrowmindedness coms when they sitch you out for using 'Cry of Frustation' instead of 'Cry of Pain'.
We have the templates jus in case any of the members do not havve a good build for the area, but people should not judge so fast.
But, whatever you do, you should always tell other the real build you are taking, if they do not want it, join other party or change builds.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
thats were your wrong, your party leader does not own you, people should realize that they own themselves, its a game not the army
True BUT you're in HIS group, so you play his way or leave.
Evilsod
Quote:
Originally Posted by populationcontrol
thats were your wrong, your party leader does not own you, people should realize that they own themselves, its a game not the army
The party leader chooses what he wants from the party... why else do you get people who don't like to be the leader, even in guild/alliance teams. Who the hell said the party leader owns you... if you want to use your own build, lead your own damn party.
Sankt Hallvard
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
... Actually quite a good thing ^_^
Or not? Eles with aegis might be a viable choice, but certainly not for FoW. For griffon sweep alone. Just to nitpick. 
Stormlord Alex
Meh, Shadow Warriors are laughable.
Aegis helps against Spiders, Skellies and most of all the Abyssals and Shadow Rangers.
Aegis helps against Spiders, Skellies and most of all the Abyssals and Shadow Rangers.
Deleet
You have a good pointe, but I see why they kicked you. Your build is terrible. I would kick you too.
When I go to FoW, I'm monking and I will have everyone kicked that has a build like that. I don't have all the time in the world.
When I go to FoW, I'm monking and I will have everyone kicked that has a build like that. I don't have all the time in the world.
pingu666
the builds pretty dubious
how about... if u really wanna run blood
1 signet of lost souls
2 blood rit
3 blood of the aggressor
4 vamparic swarm
5 soul leech/spoil victor/ enfeebling blood/icy veins
6 opressive gaze
7 well of blood/well of power
8 res
max blood, 6 or so curses, rest on soul reaping, pocket change in whatever attribute res u use.
your bulid has 4 dubious skills, vamp touch (with such low soul reaping too), riposites (lighting orb smash ur face), heal sig, when a bunch of your skills heal u anyway, and -40al ftl on a 60al caster. but u have it cos u can heal when out of energy (because of the 3 soul reaping)
having monked for low dps groups, its pretty depressing.
how about... if u really wanna run blood
1 signet of lost souls
2 blood rit
3 blood of the aggressor
4 vamparic swarm
5 soul leech/spoil victor/ enfeebling blood/icy veins
6 opressive gaze
7 well of blood/well of power
8 res
max blood, 6 or so curses, rest on soul reaping, pocket change in whatever attribute res u use.
your bulid has 4 dubious skills, vamp touch (with such low soul reaping too), riposites (lighting orb smash ur face), heal sig, when a bunch of your skills heal u anyway, and -40al ftl on a 60al caster. but u have it cos u can heal when out of energy (because of the 3 soul reaping)
having monked for low dps groups, its pretty depressing.
Kakumei
Quote:
Originally Posted by populationcontrol
thats were your wrong, your party leader does not own you, people should realize that they own themselves, its a game not the army
Haha oh man I would never ever take you in any party no matter what with an attitude like that.
See, people like this are why I don't PUG anymore.
See, people like this are why I don't PUG anymore.
Miral
Its two sides of a coin. On one hand, you're free to take whatever skills you like. On the other hand, a group leader, especially one providing access to an area, is free to take what team build he likes. you can adapt to the build they want you to play, or start your own group with your own build in mind.
Shadis
The reasoning behind these attitudes is fairly simple. In my opinion, people no longer play these "elite" areas for fun. They are basically glorified farming runs now, so they want to use the most efficient build possible.
Omniclasm
This is one topic that sort of shows a flaw with Guild Wars. Huge amounts of skills, secondary professions to choose skills from, many different attributes, soooo much room for creativity. However, Guild Wars is a team based game, where if the teams' builds don't work together, then you fail.
Guild Wars promotes creativity and exploration of builds.
-but-
Guild Wars requires your team to have builds that agree, which means creative builds fail.
Now, I will use an example that many people have probably played....Diablo 2. Now, I'm not saying this game is perfect, far from it, but it successfully promotes, and lets you be creative. In D2, if you are playing the game with your typical Sorceress, and a Paladin joins with a really bad build, really bad armor, and keeps dying, do you fail the game and have to leave? You don't. You can still keep playing, and you and the pally can probably still do some quests and kill some bosses.
If you are playing Guild Wars, and half of your team has really bad builds and keep dying, you are screwed. Guild Wars has potential to allow diversity and creativity, but it doesn't allow it, which IMO, ruins most high-end PvE and PvP.
Even though with that said, FoW is not really high-end PvE. You can get quite far in FoW with a mixed team. I have cleared the whole place with teams that had all of the "inferior" PvE professions. Assassins, Dervish, Paragons, Mesmers, Ritualists, all of them.
Guild Wars promotes creativity and exploration of builds.
-but-
Guild Wars requires your team to have builds that agree, which means creative builds fail.
Now, I will use an example that many people have probably played....Diablo 2. Now, I'm not saying this game is perfect, far from it, but it successfully promotes, and lets you be creative. In D2, if you are playing the game with your typical Sorceress, and a Paladin joins with a really bad build, really bad armor, and keeps dying, do you fail the game and have to leave? You don't. You can still keep playing, and you and the pally can probably still do some quests and kill some bosses.
If you are playing Guild Wars, and half of your team has really bad builds and keep dying, you are screwed. Guild Wars has potential to allow diversity and creativity, but it doesn't allow it, which IMO, ruins most high-end PvE and PvP.
Even though with that said, FoW is not really high-end PvE. You can get quite far in FoW with a mixed team. I have cleared the whole place with teams that had all of the "inferior" PvE professions. Assassins, Dervish, Paragons, Mesmers, Ritualists, all of them.
Thomas Valheru
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Originally Posted by Omniclasm
This is one topic that sort of shows a flaw with Guild Wars. Huge amounts of skills, secondary professions to choose skills from, many different attributes, soooo much room for creativity. However, Guild Wars is a team based game, where if the teams' builds don't work together, then you fail.
Guild Wars promotes creativity and exploration of builds.
-but-
Guild Wars requires your team to have builds that agree, which means creative builds fail.
Now, I will use an example that many people have probably played....Diablo 2. Now, I'm not saying this game is perfect, far from it, but it successfully promotes, and lets you be creative. In D2, if you are playing the game with your typical Sorceress, and a Paladin joins with a really bad build, really bad armor, and keeps dying, do you fail the game and have to leave? You don't. You can still keep playing, and you and the pally can probably still do some quests and kill some bosses.
If you are playing Guild Wars, and half of your team has really bad builds and keep dying, you are screwed. Guild Wars has potential to allow diversity and creativity, but it doesn't allow it, which IMO, ruins most high-end PvE and PvP.
Even though with that said, FoW is not really high-end PvE. You can get quite far in FoW with a mixed team. I have cleared the whole place with teams that had all of the "inferior" PvE professions. Assassins, Dervish, Paragons, Mesmers, Ritualists, all of them. Now, diversity in all its glory, but how is it a bad thing that a team composed of 50% bad builds fail?
Or should we make PvE so easy that you can win bringing 8 random skills? Maybe just wanding should suffice?
Guild Wars promotes creativity and exploration of builds.
-but-
Guild Wars requires your team to have builds that agree, which means creative builds fail.
Now, I will use an example that many people have probably played....Diablo 2. Now, I'm not saying this game is perfect, far from it, but it successfully promotes, and lets you be creative. In D2, if you are playing the game with your typical Sorceress, and a Paladin joins with a really bad build, really bad armor, and keeps dying, do you fail the game and have to leave? You don't. You can still keep playing, and you and the pally can probably still do some quests and kill some bosses.
If you are playing Guild Wars, and half of your team has really bad builds and keep dying, you are screwed. Guild Wars has potential to allow diversity and creativity, but it doesn't allow it, which IMO, ruins most high-end PvE and PvP.
Even though with that said, FoW is not really high-end PvE. You can get quite far in FoW with a mixed team. I have cleared the whole place with teams that had all of the "inferior" PvE professions. Assassins, Dervish, Paragons, Mesmers, Ritualists, all of them. Now, diversity in all its glory, but how is it a bad thing that a team composed of 50% bad builds fail?
Or should we make PvE so easy that you can win bringing 8 random skills? Maybe just wanding should suffice?
ValaOfTheFens
People who don't want to ping their build either stink or are pompous jerks. I always ping my build when I enter a party. It encourages people to do the same and then I don't have give people grief by asking. *lol* Not knowing someone elses skills can be bad. Yesterday I got into a group to help a friend at Thunderhead Keep and one guy wouldn't ping his build and he turned out to be a MM like me. 
If he'd pinged I could have gone SS/SV and voila, problem solved. FoW is pretty easy anyway. If you want to go against the tide with your build than I suggest you supply the scroll or the cash.
My only problem with FoW is when the monks ping their energy every 2 seconds. I make it clear that unless we're in an extended battle I will not BR them until after the battle. I only have 53 energy and I use alot of it in SS/BR. Its worse when they don't do a good job of healing me.
If he'd pinged I could have gone SS/SV and voila, problem solved. FoW is pretty easy anyway. If you want to go against the tide with your build than I suggest you supply the scroll or the cash.My only problem with FoW is when the monks ping their energy every 2 seconds. I make it clear that unless we're in an extended battle I will not BR them until after the battle. I only have 53 energy and I use alot of it in SS/BR. Its worse when they don't do a good job of healing me.
Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by Thomas Valheru
Now, diversity in all its glory, but how is it a bad thing that a team composed of 50% bad builds fail?
Or should we make PvE so easy that you can win bringing 8 random skills? Maybe just wanding should suffice?
Diablo 2 managed to do it somehow, and it is still probably just as strong going as Guild Wars currently is, after being out for nearly 8 years. Normal, low level PvE is fine, even some mid-high end PvE is fine and is somewhat open to diverse builds. Try to get a team in DoA with a diverse build? Yeah right. Even if you do find a team with that build, you will fail miserably, or just be a liability. Guild Wars sadly isn't about being creative and making builds. It is about being another replaceable cookie-cutter build.
Not running SF ele? You get kicked and they get one of the hundred SF eles.
Missing a skill from the typical build? Kicked for one that has it.
Maybe I am just against disposable builds that you have to run. I'd like it if builds could be self sufficient, and not totally rely on other builds. Example: The absolute reliance on monks. I hate that. I think the game would be more enjoyable in some aspects if you could just get 7 random people and go bash stuff, as opposed to the "GLF 2 SF eles, Bonder, Bip or SS and MM for Masters" for hours upon hours.
Or should we make PvE so easy that you can win bringing 8 random skills? Maybe just wanding should suffice?
Not running SF ele? You get kicked and they get one of the hundred SF eles.
Missing a skill from the typical build? Kicked for one that has it.
Maybe I am just against disposable builds that you have to run. I'd like it if builds could be self sufficient, and not totally rely on other builds. Example: The absolute reliance on monks. I hate that. I think the game would be more enjoyable in some aspects if you could just get 7 random people and go bash stuff, as opposed to the "GLF 2 SF eles, Bonder, Bip or SS and MM for Masters" for hours upon hours.
Kern Wolf
To the OP:
The simplest way to overcome the narrowmindedness you face, is to create your own group for fow. You pick the people. Simple as that.
I've been doing fow runs for a long time, and I've been in a lot of different PUGs. The best ones have always been, those who knew what they were doing, almost--ALMOST--regardless of builds. I say almost, because you still have to have some kind of group dynamic to suceeed in fow. That ties in to the mentality you see that PUGs have in fow--if you go with standard builds there, your group has some reasonable amount of success, which is what the avarage player/PUG wants (along with a bunch of shards dropping at every encounter, and chests along every quest there). BUT---every now and then, you get into that PUG that will just chew through FOW with the wackiest group/builds, joking along the way, having the time of your life.
Start a PUG. Pick the people. If they're good, add them to your friend's list, and go to FOW at every opportunity then. Start a guild with them. That's the way to go.
My opinion, of course....
The simplest way to overcome the narrowmindedness you face, is to create your own group for fow. You pick the people. Simple as that.
I've been doing fow runs for a long time, and I've been in a lot of different PUGs. The best ones have always been, those who knew what they were doing, almost--ALMOST--regardless of builds. I say almost, because you still have to have some kind of group dynamic to suceeed in fow. That ties in to the mentality you see that PUGs have in fow--if you go with standard builds there, your group has some reasonable amount of success, which is what the avarage player/PUG wants (along with a bunch of shards dropping at every encounter, and chests along every quest there). BUT---every now and then, you get into that PUG that will just chew through FOW with the wackiest group/builds, joking along the way, having the time of your life.
Start a PUG. Pick the people. If they're good, add them to your friend's list, and go to FOW at every opportunity then. Start a guild with them. That's the way to go.
My opinion, of course....
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
thats exactly my point, YOU DONT MAKE THE RULES. and once again how exactly is choosing your own strategy to kill enemies and help alllies ruining the team or backstabing (and the monk that got team killed, was i guess in ur perspective a team player)
Okay.
When the leader asks you to ping your build you ping the ss/br build.
The leader thinks you are running that build.
You switch to your build that you think is appropriate.
You went behind the groups back to run what you wanted to run.
THAT is backstabbing.
When the leader asks you to ping your build you ping the ss/br build.
The leader thinks you are running that build.
You switch to your build that you think is appropriate.
You went behind the groups back to run what you wanted to run.
THAT is backstabbing.
judgedread33
The reason the leader kicks you when u have a strange build is because they dont want to stuff around changing their build and the build of the party members to accommodate your build.
If you got in a nice group of friends or guildies you would find them a lot more friendlier and more willing to change their build rather then yours.
If you got in a nice group of friends or guildies you would find them a lot more friendlier and more willing to change their build rather then yours.
MagmaRed
Do you know the people you team up with in a PUG? No, and they don't know you either. Because they don't know you, they don't know if you know what you are doing. A common, standard build is wanted for PUGs because they are easy to run. Yes, an idiot can use a standard build, and still suck. However, when you don't know the person playing the build, you at least want a build you know to be effective.
I enjoy trying new, different builds myself. However, I never use them with PUGs. If I want to use a build that is not the common one for an area, I go with hero/hench, or guild members.
Go all out with crazy build, effective or not. Just don't expect PUGs to allow it, and don't be upset when they don't.
I enjoy trying new, different builds myself. However, I never use them with PUGs. If I want to use a build that is not the common one for an area, I go with hero/hench, or guild members.
Go all out with crazy build, effective or not. Just don't expect PUGs to allow it, and don't be upset when they don't.
Curse You
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Originally Posted by neoflame
barrage
choking gas
ignite arrows
kindle arrows
read the wind
nature's renewal
tranquility
quickening zephyr
Quote:
On a lighter note, anyone notice that this is exactly the same build he posted in campfire as a PvP survivor build? I can't imagine why no one wants to play with you, you seem like such a cooperative, literate young chap.
It's funny what can win in Random Arena.
(found on GuildWiki. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Frenzysmite2wq0.jpg)
(found on GuildWiki. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Frenzysmite2wq0.jpg)
manitoba1073
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curse You
It's needs [wiki]Primal Echoes[/wiki] or [wiki]Brambles[/wiki] instead of one of the preparations.
It's funny what can win in Random Arena.
(found on GuildWiki. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Frenzysmite2wq0.jpg) Why yes it funny with what you can win in RA with. Take this for example..
W/Me
riposte ,deadly riposte, conjure phantasm, ignorance, ether feast, rez sig, bonetties defense, and i forgot the last one lol
It's funny what can win in Random Arena.
(found on GuildWiki. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Frenzysmite2wq0.jpg) Why yes it funny with what you can win in RA with. Take this for example..
W/Me
riposte ,deadly riposte, conjure phantasm, ignorance, ether feast, rez sig, bonetties defense, and i forgot the last one lol
Diddy bow
I think youd love ha .
Also, there is a reason you wont be accepteed into much groups as a mellemancer...
Also, there is a reason you wont be accepteed into much groups as a mellemancer...
Mitchel
I'd suggest dropping Vamp Gaze and taking in Frenzy.
gabrial heart
Fact is FOW is pretty easy in either mode and group dynamics that are fairly poor will get you to the forgemaster, just not in record time. So this build in a decent group will get you there but for sure won't clear out the place. The forest and mesmer areas would eat this build up.
There are a good amount of 3 man and solo builds for fow and when used well, knowning the build and running them correctly you can clear out certain areas in a fair amount of time.
So, this or any random build could get you to the forgemaster fine, but again it wouldn't be timey or as effective then the standard ss/br that are really based around doing it quickly. Areas like DOA or the faction elite areas are a good bit harder and a better gauge for a builds success. Even UW would be a better place to see the effectiveness of a build like this.
FOW really isn't that hard for a forgemaster run, i'd rather have a touchie then this if we are talking about a self-healing build that does a decent amount damage.
I would take you in an 8 man since it wouldn't matter much what your efficiency is as long as the rest of the gang is decent. But you wouldn't be pulling your weight in damage.
There are a good amount of 3 man and solo builds for fow and when used well, knowning the build and running them correctly you can clear out certain areas in a fair amount of time.
So, this or any random build could get you to the forgemaster fine, but again it wouldn't be timey or as effective then the standard ss/br that are really based around doing it quickly. Areas like DOA or the faction elite areas are a good bit harder and a better gauge for a builds success. Even UW would be a better place to see the effectiveness of a build like this.
FOW really isn't that hard for a forgemaster run, i'd rather have a touchie then this if we are talking about a self-healing build that does a decent amount damage.
I would take you in an 8 man since it wouldn't matter much what your efficiency is as long as the rest of the gang is decent. But you wouldn't be pulling your weight in damage.
Zorgy
This is a story that happened to me recently. I was in Ab looking for a group, then I invite myself & the leader ask me to ping my build, what I do. I have been kicked out straight & the leader sending me a private message: " You dont have a decent build "
I didnt reply.....please note that I am a CHAMPION & that I never leech + I use this build for long.....
Thats it....to the OP =====> dont complain.....just make your own team LOL
I didnt reply.....please note that I am a CHAMPION & that I never leech + I use this build for long.....
Thats it....to the OP =====> dont complain.....just make your own team LOL
wetsparks
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Originally Posted by omniclasm
Even though with that said, FoW is not really high-end PvE. You can get quite far in FoW with a mixed team. I have cleared the whole place with teams that had all of the "inferior" PvE professions. Assassins, Dervish, Paragons, Mesmers, Ritualists, all of them.
I hear ya there. I like to pug fow because it gives out decent money and it is always good for a laugh or a bit of a challenge, depending on the group. The funnest time I had there I had a dervish to draw initial agro, an assasin to follow in, me as a ranger, a rit as main healer, a bonder, mesmer, paragon, and ele. All good guys/gals and if was probably the best group i had ever had there because no one took it seriously.
To the OP:
If you really want to run builds like that let people know that you are running that build, from the begining so that they can be prepared for it, and get people that are cool with just screwing around and not going to take it to seriously like so many do.
To the OP:
If you really want to run builds like that let people know that you are running that build, from the begining so that they can be prepared for it, and get people that are cool with just screwing around and not going to take it to seriously like so many do.
Renegade26
Btw, not sure if this was made very clear, it is extremely possible to stray from "cookie cutting". Ive been accepted as an Assassin into FoW groups whenever Ive tried. Just ask someone to look at your build or playing and you can improve from the ""suckage"" that people in this thread may describe, as well as doing more damage/ support for your team.
haggus71
Yes, it's unfair that most groups going to FoW want a certain build with their team. Yes, most people are there for the farming/armor deal and not for the "try something new and exciting" thing that you state. However, aren't you showing the same inflexibility by LYING to the team leader about what build you have just so you can get in the build YOU want?
Saying "I got X title with Y build" means F-all. A crappy player in a good group can be carried along. There have been plenty of times I've been through different quests/missions where we had a guy afk for half the mission. One time a Tank was so bad we left him dead and finished the mission without him.
If you want to go with your build(which, frankly, has little or no synergy), make up a team yourself, shell the money, and go for it. Or, if you want on other teams, ping your build, and if they insist, either suck it up and get a better build, or leave and try another group.
BTW, I agree with the guy that said the reason they ask for your build and want a certain build is because they DON'T KNOW YOU, and they aren't going to waste their time or money on a suspect bar. The reason certain builds are taken are because they have been tested by many people, and they do the best job. Walking "works" for transportation, but that doesn't mean I'm going to walk from New York to LA.
Saying "I got X title with Y build" means F-all. A crappy player in a good group can be carried along. There have been plenty of times I've been through different quests/missions where we had a guy afk for half the mission. One time a Tank was so bad we left him dead and finished the mission without him.
If you want to go with your build(which, frankly, has little or no synergy), make up a team yourself, shell the money, and go for it. Or, if you want on other teams, ping your build, and if they insist, either suck it up and get a better build, or leave and try another group.
BTW, I agree with the guy that said the reason they ask for your build and want a certain build is because they DON'T KNOW YOU, and they aren't going to waste their time or money on a suspect bar. The reason certain builds are taken are because they have been tested by many people, and they do the best job. Walking "works" for transportation, but that doesn't mean I'm going to walk from New York to LA.
Gwmaster
so after i reading the necro build lol, i decided to try a melemancer build, sad thing is i dont have the spells on my necro yet, but i was thinking about this:
Aura of The Lich, Dark Aura,Touch of Agony,wallows Bite,Blood Renewal,Watch Yourself,Unholy Feast,Rez Sig. once i get the skills ill try to enter a fow group..who knows maybe ill pwn.
anyways back on topic, personally i wouldn't take someone with such a build if i was the leader of a team, since i know the game mechanics,and monster ai.
First because of the necro's low armor, you make the tanks useless, because the Ai will target either people with lowest armor/health. 2-since you got low armor you take more damage, and monks have to focus more on you than on other people that could get hit at the same time ex: other monks,nukers.
and 3rd, imo you should be a bit more creative than that, heal sig...comon you just reduced your already sucky armor by -40. look at the skills i writhed above: AoTL- reduces damage by half,halves sac cost, heals me if it gets striped,dark aura will deal aoe damage for every touch skill i use, since i sacrifice life,renewal gives decent regen and heals when its finished,Watch yourself adds armor,and res...res. im really going to try this lol it looks fun.
Edit: ok i tried my build in Random Arena xD, and im impressed, people didn't expect being shot down in less than 5 sec. energy management is the only bad thing about it, but it pass the survival test.
Aura of The Lich, Dark Aura,Touch of Agony,wallows Bite,Blood Renewal,Watch Yourself,Unholy Feast,Rez Sig. once i get the skills ill try to enter a fow group..who knows maybe ill pwn.
anyways back on topic, personally i wouldn't take someone with such a build if i was the leader of a team, since i know the game mechanics,and monster ai.
First because of the necro's low armor, you make the tanks useless, because the Ai will target either people with lowest armor/health. 2-since you got low armor you take more damage, and monks have to focus more on you than on other people that could get hit at the same time ex: other monks,nukers.
and 3rd, imo you should be a bit more creative than that, heal sig...comon you just reduced your already sucky armor by -40. look at the skills i writhed above: AoTL- reduces damage by half,halves sac cost, heals me if it gets striped,dark aura will deal aoe damage for every touch skill i use, since i sacrifice life,renewal gives decent regen and heals when its finished,Watch yourself adds armor,and res...res. im really going to try this lol it looks fun.
Edit: ok i tried my build in Random Arena xD, and im impressed, people didn't expect being shot down in less than 5 sec. energy management is the only bad thing about it, but it pass the survival test.
Lord Feathers
After reading all of this I still ask myself why real folks over heroes ?
ANET let us do these areas with just our henchmen and heroes ! They listen, they never curse at me, and above all they don't think they know it all and rage quit. Aside from that they will happily die for me as many times as I wish them too.
ANET let us do these areas with just our henchmen and heroes ! They listen, they never curse at me, and above all they don't think they know it all and rage quit. Aside from that they will happily die for me as many times as I wish them too.
Pae
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Not running SF ele? You get kicked and they get one of the hundred SF eles.
Missing a skill from the typical build? Kicked for one that has it.
Maybe I am just against disposable builds that you have to run. I'd like it if builds could be self sufficient, and not totally rely on other builds. Example: The absolute reliance on monks. I hate that. I think the game would be more enjoyable in some aspects if you could just get 7 random people and go bash stuff, as opposed to the "GLF 2 SF eles, Bonder, Bip or SS and MM for Masters" for hours upon hours. Although I have to sympathize with you about getting kicked for not running a SF ele, but it's been my favorite skill ever since unlocking it. It's a powerful skill, and if people think that someone won't be contributing as much, they'll kick. Or, just warn people ahead of time before pinging your build. If you do the number crunching ahead of time, that helps them too. :P
The issue with missing a skill from the typical build depends on which skill. Sometimes the ones that don't seem that crucial are. e.g. Inspired/Revealed Enchantment in The Deep - People are constantly saying that any enchantment strip works, but those two don't have a recharge after stripping monster skills. It's pretty much a backup specifically for Kanaxai.
If you don't like the disposable builds, you may want to look into being a flag runner in PvP. They'd need to be pretty self-sufficient. With PvE, you pretty much just want to get through something as quickly and painlessly as possible and having focused attributes/skills usually helps with that. That's even more true for builds that have great synergy in them.
Missing a skill from the typical build? Kicked for one that has it.
Maybe I am just against disposable builds that you have to run. I'd like it if builds could be self sufficient, and not totally rely on other builds. Example: The absolute reliance on monks. I hate that. I think the game would be more enjoyable in some aspects if you could just get 7 random people and go bash stuff, as opposed to the "GLF 2 SF eles, Bonder, Bip or SS and MM for Masters" for hours upon hours. Although I have to sympathize with you about getting kicked for not running a SF ele, but it's been my favorite skill ever since unlocking it. It's a powerful skill, and if people think that someone won't be contributing as much, they'll kick. Or, just warn people ahead of time before pinging your build. If you do the number crunching ahead of time, that helps them too. :P
The issue with missing a skill from the typical build depends on which skill. Sometimes the ones that don't seem that crucial are. e.g. Inspired/Revealed Enchantment in The Deep - People are constantly saying that any enchantment strip works, but those two don't have a recharge after stripping monster skills. It's pretty much a backup specifically for Kanaxai.
If you don't like the disposable builds, you may want to look into being a flag runner in PvP. They'd need to be pretty self-sufficient. With PvE, you pretty much just want to get through something as quickly and painlessly as possible and having focused attributes/skills usually helps with that. That's even more true for builds that have great synergy in them.
neoflame
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Originally Posted by Curse You
signet of judgment
bane signet
signet of rage
primal echoes
quickening zephyr
nature's renewal
brambles
holy wrath
expertise for cheaper signets and qz for fast recharge, since you don't need energy after you put up spirits holy wrath = uber damage LOLOL! brambles+knockdown=bleeding which counters that bane of my existence, mending
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It's funny what can win in Random Arena.
Hilarious, but that build is still orders of magnitude better than the OP. At least I can sort of see how that build would work. ...actually, I think I kind of want to run that in RA now... but with a cancel stance :P
Voltar
Well, that would be a great build idea to suggest to someone trying to get a legendary survivor title on a N/W. It's all about not dying.
Well of Blood takes me back to the good old days when my W/N buddies were all about mark of pain, a physical damage sword and well of blood. This game has always been populated by the mentally unflexable. Wait, there's actually a standard FoW build now? I remember getting factions, making a Rt and finishing factions with her...then running her to ToA and pugging her to, "check out what she's made of." The group I joined had like...one other guy that knew what was going on and a 55 Mo (who adamately denied this fact). i spammed spirits (before there were Spirit Spammers with capital S's) and another Mo healed while the 55 did little or nothing, one warrior knew what he was doing and the rest of the group kinda floundered around like the wind-up toys that walk into walls. We cleared half the place and finished 3 quests before people got tired and started leaving (since they didn't realize FoW took that long, I guess). Nobody bu the 55-Mo died. People need a "standard build" to do that?
The Herbalizer
There is a difference between playing in a group and using an unusual build.
And playing in a group which asked you to play a certain build and telling them you will play it yet not playing it. Lying to get into a group is wrong. You deceived them and are in fact the backstabber. There is nothing wrong with running different or unusual builds which I do. There is a problem with people lying.
Vampyrija
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
vamp gaze
vamp touch blood of agressor soul leech riposte deadly riposte heal signet well of blood (much more team helpful than br) ... i have glad ranks and fow armor but what do i know. -vamp touch, riposte : melee with 60AL against nasty barrage rangers and abyssals... -blood of the aggressor : you steal up to 41 health every 5 sec, impressive... -heal signet : as far as I know you have monks to heal you. And -40AL leaves you practically naked against huge damage in fow. -well of blood : cool, some health regen. And what are you doing when eles or monks need energy? -3 attribute points in soul reaping? great... -glad rank : that's the most prestigious form of PvP, is it? -fow armor : mostly anyone can have it (ridiculously low ectos and shards price) and as far as I know having a fow armor doesn't make you the best player there is... What does your build contribute to the team? Some wells of blood here are there when there are corpses available (there are many skeletons and shadow army by the way), that's about it. Monks will have to keep an eye on you when you'll be in frontline playing rambo with ripostes and stuff. Great... I don't mind experimenting with builds but to be honest, yours is the kind of build that makes me laugh my a... off when I come across one in low level pvp like RA or AB... Tela
Jeez, where to start on this one.
Ok first, OP, your build is probably one of the worst I've ever seen. Further, your build in FOW is about as useful as tits on a nun. But what really angers me is you post on here to try to get feedback as to why you are unfairly treated as a total noob. You basically ignore every post on here telling you your build and outlook totally blow ass. These people want you to be a better player and are trying to enlighten you, but you seem totally unwilling to listen. I find this extremely ironic since that seems to be what you are bitching about happening to you. Here's My advice Give your account to your favorite guildie/friend(if you have any). Give natural selection a head start. Enjoy your stay in hell, and maybe during your eternal vacation you can learn to listen to others. How you do any dmg or any self heal with that build eludes me. |
