I've been following this thread for a bit, and have a few things to say.
1. People who ping a different build then they actually intend to bring are griefers in my eyes.
2. If you join a 8 men group and have a half decent skillbar you will get accepted.
3. Don't join specific farming groups if you don't want to run the exact build requested.
4. SS is one of the most powerfull pve skills in the game, it is hard to make ANY skillbar on ANY profession that beats it.
5. The monks are upset because you do not run the bar they asked you, but I guess you know that as you fit point 1.
6. What is a Cow? I've been to fow/uw many times, but I fail to understand the reference.
7. Close thread please, it has become a troll/flame fest. But please tell me what a Cow is.....
EDIT after reading post that was posted while I typed this: Ahhh Smite Crawlers!!
fow narrowmindedness
Effendi Westland
populationcontrol
first off you have to wield a sword nooblet, its a riposte requirement. second the idea is not to solo cows, its to be able to if monk dies. and yes your avatar is a big noob. i offered to personally show you how to do it but you refused instead attempting it with your noob self.
now to clear something up you dont cast ss when soloing cows you use blood spells (again read what i actually posted) and 1 deadly riposte and you must be smart enough to identify the retreat point before you begin. as for the fow build the one i actually like, its awesome and i seriously doubt anyone would be such a bad player as to be able to not know how to play it effectively (besides your avatar perhaps). im also willing to teach you how to play it if your not too busy trying out the exact same build yourself. and i insist by your own stadards and inability to quote you must find yourself inferior. good day to you too.
now to clear something up you dont cast ss when soloing cows you use blood spells (again read what i actually posted) and 1 deadly riposte and you must be smart enough to identify the retreat point before you begin. as for the fow build the one i actually like, its awesome and i seriously doubt anyone would be such a bad player as to be able to not know how to play it effectively (besides your avatar perhaps). im also willing to teach you how to play it if your not too busy trying out the exact same build yourself. and i insist by your own stadards and inability to quote you must find yourself inferior. good day to you too.
You can't see me
My error is this:
I forgot to mention that while kiting and attempting to solo graspings, he changed to a caster sword and offhand combo with 20/20 on the offhand, +30 health on the sword and a sundering and energy +5 mod. He switched the staff aftwerwards for a better bonus to try to give you even more benefit of the doubt.
And I did mention that the second time he tried, he did NOT use SS. You need to learn to read.
As for the experience of our necromancer, he is an r5 Gladiator, a legendary cartographer, indeed owns a set of FoW, an oracle of wisdom, and a rank 5 trasure hunter, and a legendary gaurdian on that character alone. He also has a few other titles that give him the "I'm very Important" title.
If I need a class on how to bring non effective builds into elite areas, I'll give you a call.
And since you obviously don't understand the whole standards thing, I'll make it plain and simple.
You're an idiot.
I give up. You just don't want to listen to sense, fact or logic. There's no arguing with people like you, and they certainly never admit to being wrong. You just say the same thing over and over and over even though it's proven not to be true.
Goodbye, and good riddence. If I ever see you in FoW, I'll be sure to give my group leader your build before he lets you in.
I forgot to mention that while kiting and attempting to solo graspings, he changed to a caster sword and offhand combo with 20/20 on the offhand, +30 health on the sword and a sundering and energy +5 mod. He switched the staff aftwerwards for a better bonus to try to give you even more benefit of the doubt.
And I did mention that the second time he tried, he did NOT use SS. You need to learn to read.
As for the experience of our necromancer, he is an r5 Gladiator, a legendary cartographer, indeed owns a set of FoW, an oracle of wisdom, and a rank 5 trasure hunter, and a legendary gaurdian on that character alone. He also has a few other titles that give him the "I'm very Important" title.
If I need a class on how to bring non effective builds into elite areas, I'll give you a call.
And since you obviously don't understand the whole standards thing, I'll make it plain and simple.
You're an idiot.
I give up. You just don't want to listen to sense, fact or logic. There's no arguing with people like you, and they certainly never admit to being wrong. You just say the same thing over and over and over even though it's proven not to be true.
Goodbye, and good riddence. If I ever see you in FoW, I'll be sure to give my group leader your build before he lets you in.
populationcontrol
well then i can do what your ultra ranked self / invented guildy cant. i can show you and educate you how to do it properly, the fact is i can show you how to do it, and do it in front of you your failure to grasp this is quite funny. monkis even add me cause i last longer than other people and can solo cows to res them, another fact. in any case we dont want your inferiority complex to get any worse, believe whatever helps you sleep at night.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Effendi Westland
6. What is a Cow? I've been to fow/uw many times, but I fail to understand the reference.
7. Close thread please, it has become a troll/flame fest. But please tell me what a Cow is.....
EDIT after reading post that was posted while I typed this: Ahhh Smite Crawlers!! Cows are bladed aataxes.
7. Close thread please, it has become a troll/flame fest. But please tell me what a Cow is.....
EDIT after reading post that was posted while I typed this: Ahhh Smite Crawlers!! Cows are bladed aataxes.
populationcontrol
look all i can say is this thread is so random and so biased i offered to duel / show you it is in fact is possible, my build rocks it rocks i know it rocks. you dont want or allow allow me to prove it hence im bored. educating people is tiring so i shall retire from this thread, with an undefeated awesome build that is too good for you. anyways sorry if i offended anyone it was never my intention, bye
karunpav
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
look all i can say is this thread is so random and so biased i offered to duel / show you it is in fact is possible, my build rocks it rocks i know it rocks. you dont want or allow allow me to prove it hence im bored. educating people is tiring so i shall retire from this thread, with an undefeated awesome build that is too good for you. anyways sorry if i offended anyone it was never my intention, bye
I think this sums up all the posts you have made on this thread. Your build isn't that good at all, as others have said, but you still seem to have a strange obsession with keeping it the same. Why not at least try to learn from others instead of keeping your God complex saying that your build is better than all others in all other situations?
Then you say that that you have an undefeated awesome build that's "too good for you", but the sentence after you say "sorry if i offended anyone". I can't help but feel that's an empty apology. This along with your other thread about the N/W RA survivor-necro thingy (is this the same build?) seriously makes people question your credibility as a player. Learn to take advice from others, please. Also, mainstream ideas aren't always bad. They became mainstream for a reason; they're probably good.
Then you say that that you have an undefeated awesome build that's "too good for you", but the sentence after you say "sorry if i offended anyone". I can't help but feel that's an empty apology. This along with your other thread about the N/W RA survivor-necro thingy (is this the same build?) seriously makes people question your credibility as a player. Learn to take advice from others, please. Also, mainstream ideas aren't always bad. They became mainstream for a reason; they're probably good.
Elbereth_Tiniquetil
As a monk who heals in FOW and UW I have some problems with the hypothetical example used by the OP
The biggest problem with allegedly calling one build and then taking a different build is that:
The group has setup with the assumption that each member’s skill bar will complement the entire group. The skills that the team are using require that each member use specific skills to allow for maximum damage to the enemy.
To change the build without informing the group is not doing the group justice. Please ping your intended skill bar; give then the change to adapt to the skills or give them the chance to request an alternative build. A different build is not the end of the world, I know that people don’t like to move from a comfort zone but if you are flexible the game will be more fun and less stressful.
I do agree with the OP on one point and that is that sometimes it is more fun to play a different style, but you need to ensure that the group agree with this or start your own group.
Also as a monk I do love when players take some self healing, this helps me if I ever run out of energy or if the aggro is lost and the aggro is drawn to us casters, hard to heal and run at the same time
The biggest problem with allegedly calling one build and then taking a different build is that:
The group has setup with the assumption that each member’s skill bar will complement the entire group. The skills that the team are using require that each member use specific skills to allow for maximum damage to the enemy.
To change the build without informing the group is not doing the group justice. Please ping your intended skill bar; give then the change to adapt to the skills or give them the chance to request an alternative build. A different build is not the end of the world, I know that people don’t like to move from a comfort zone but if you are flexible the game will be more fun and less stressful.
I do agree with the OP on one point and that is that sometimes it is more fun to play a different style, but you need to ensure that the group agree with this or start your own group.
Also as a monk I do love when players take some self healing, this helps me if I ever run out of energy or if the aggro is lost and the aggro is drawn to us casters, hard to heal and run at the same time
Mickey
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
first off you have to wield a sword nooblet, its a riposte requirement. second the idea is not to solo cows, its to be able to if monk dies. and yes your avatar is a big noob. i offered to personally show you how to do it but you refused instead attempting it with your noob self.
now to clear something up you dont cast ss when soloing cows you use blood spells (again read what i actually posted) and 1 deadly riposte and you must be smart enough to identify the retreat point before you begin. as for the fow build the one i actually like, its awesome and i seriously doubt anyone would be such a bad player as to be able to not know how to play it effectively (besides your avatar perhaps). im also willing to teach you how to play it if your not too busy trying out the exact same build yourself. and i insist by your own stadards and inability to quote you must find yourself inferior. good day to you too. You need some serious meds.
now to clear something up you dont cast ss when soloing cows you use blood spells (again read what i actually posted) and 1 deadly riposte and you must be smart enough to identify the retreat point before you begin. as for the fow build the one i actually like, its awesome and i seriously doubt anyone would be such a bad player as to be able to not know how to play it effectively (besides your avatar perhaps). im also willing to teach you how to play it if your not too busy trying out the exact same build yourself. and i insist by your own stadards and inability to quote you must find yourself inferior. good day to you too. You need some serious meds.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Elbereth_Tiniquetil
I do agree with the OP on one point and that is that sometimes it is more fun to play a different style, but you need to ensure that the group agree with this or start your own group.
Also as a monk I do love when players take some self healing, this helps me if I ever run out of energy or if the aggro is lost and the aggro is drawn to us casters, hard to heal and run at the same time
Oh, I absolutely agree. It's not fun for anyone to run the same cookie cutters over and over, that why everyone either has multiple characters or a whole pile of templates. Hell, I play a rit, I know what it is to play bizarre builds. Thing is, this thread isn't about that, it's about how the OP is the greatest thing since sliced bread and shouldn't have to listen or cooperate with a bunch of nooblets. That's a little bit harder to swallow, especially with the posted build.
Also as a monk I do love when players take some self healing, this helps me if I ever run out of energy or if the aggro is lost and the aggro is drawn to us casters, hard to heal and run at the same time
Oh, I absolutely agree. It's not fun for anyone to run the same cookie cutters over and over, that why everyone either has multiple characters or a whole pile of templates. Hell, I play a rit, I know what it is to play bizarre builds. Thing is, this thread isn't about that, it's about how the OP is the greatest thing since sliced bread and shouldn't have to listen or cooperate with a bunch of nooblets. That's a little bit harder to swallow, especially with the posted build.
Renegade26
Sry NoobControl, I went to sleep, somehting made me rather bored.
I will surely take out your build, and I will do it with my Assassin, and I will SS you dead after 5 seconds of being in range of you.
IGN: Renegade Submission
That is all.
I will surely take out your build, and I will do it with my Assassin, and I will SS you dead after 5 seconds of being in range of you.
IGN: Renegade Submission
That is all.
zwei2stein
I am still waiting of OP soloing one aataxe with his build.
blue.rellik
lul wut? He tries to solo a cow with a necro and a sword. Not even warriors would happily try that against a cow and this is coming from the class that don't die to them in two hits. How can a necro with MUCH lower armour and MUCH lower damage even consider it?
Elbereth Tiniquetil
I think we all agree that the example given by the OP is not the best for FOW and UW,
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Elnai
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
first off you have to wield a sword nooblet, its a riposte requirement. second the idea is not to solo cows, its to be able to if monk dies. and yes your avatar is a big noob. i offered to personally show you how to do it but you refused instead attempting it with your noob self.
GJ being elitist 
There are TONS of non-conventional builds that are great. Yours is not one of them. And if eles and necros, etc, brought self heals, they would be doing (in most cases) less damage. It really isn't that hard to heal in pve. Any decent monk can e-manage really easy with a decent build. Bringing self heals is pretty counter-productive in that situation.
There are TONS of non-conventional builds that are great. Yours is not one of them. And if eles and necros, etc, brought self heals, they would be doing (in most cases) less damage. It really isn't that hard to heal in pve. Any decent monk can e-manage really easy with a decent build. Bringing self heals is pretty counter-productive in that situation.
populationcontrol
and yet i was like the only person who posted one. the build i posted is potentially one of the best necro pvp builds you can play. i posted it in an effort to encourage other people to post theirs but i think maybe 1-2 people if any actually did. it seems most people dont even consider other options to what is already out there. and yes i can solo an cow with a necro and a sword. its random yes but my point is if thats doable anything should fly in fow. what do you care if other people try out NEW or ORIGINAL builds.
populationcontrol
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Originally Posted by karunpav
I think this sums up all the posts you have made on this thread. Your build isn't that good at all, as others have said, but you still seem to have a strange obsession with keeping it the same. Why not at least try to learn from others instead of keeping your God complex saying that your build is better than all others in all other situations?
Then you say that that you have an undefeated awesome build that's "too good for you", but the sentence after you say "sorry if i offended anyone". I can't help but feel that's an empty apology. This along with your other thread about the N/W RA survivor-necro thingy (is this the same build?) seriously makes people question your credibility as a player. Learn to take advice from others, please. Also, mainstream ideas aren't always bad. They became mainstream for a reason; they're probably good. i think if you read other peoples posts are far more offensive considering they havent tried out the build and the build they insist i use (the needed build) they did not invent but where told to use it at some point. i seriously doubt you all "came up with" the ss br build. the point also was have people post what they use that differs from that standard fow team not offend me or discuss my build. my build was obviosly not apreciated which is fine but dont pretend you can convince me into stop playing what works for me and what i enjoy, and yeah i didnt deliberately try to offend anyone. i truly mean it.
Then you say that that you have an undefeated awesome build that's "too good for you", but the sentence after you say "sorry if i offended anyone". I can't help but feel that's an empty apology. This along with your other thread about the N/W RA survivor-necro thingy (is this the same build?) seriously makes people question your credibility as a player. Learn to take advice from others, please. Also, mainstream ideas aren't always bad. They became mainstream for a reason; they're probably good. i think if you read other peoples posts are far more offensive considering they havent tried out the build and the build they insist i use (the needed build) they did not invent but where told to use it at some point. i seriously doubt you all "came up with" the ss br build. the point also was have people post what they use that differs from that standard fow team not offend me or discuss my build. my build was obviosly not apreciated which is fine but dont pretend you can convince me into stop playing what works for me and what i enjoy, and yeah i didnt deliberately try to offend anyone. i truly mean it.
Kaida the Heartless
This build is not acceptable for a FoW team. You'd be kicked from my team in a heartbeat.
The "cookie cutter" builds are cookie cutters for a reason. They are tried and true. The combined experience of hundreds of thousands of other players created these builds. They are the best/most efficient builds for the task at hand.
Why would I take your build over an SS that can help to clear the FoW faster, leaving more time to do more runs? Why would I take your build when I know you are probably just another skilless PuG with a half-brewed idea, hellbent on disproving "cookie cutter" builds.
Any reasonable build can clear FoW now. It's not hard. It's clearing it quickly and efficiently that is most important. Time is valuable and irreplacable. I'm not going to waste two more hours of my time because you wanted to bring... this..
The "cookie cutter" builds are cookie cutters for a reason. They are tried and true. The combined experience of hundreds of thousands of other players created these builds. They are the best/most efficient builds for the task at hand.
Why would I take your build over an SS that can help to clear the FoW faster, leaving more time to do more runs? Why would I take your build when I know you are probably just another skilless PuG with a half-brewed idea, hellbent on disproving "cookie cutter" builds.
Any reasonable build can clear FoW now. It's not hard. It's clearing it quickly and efficiently that is most important. Time is valuable and irreplacable. I'm not going to waste two more hours of my time because you wanted to bring... this..
Mickey
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
i think if you read other peoples posts are far more offensive considering they havent tried out the build and the build they insist i use (the needed build) they did not invent but where told to use it at some point. i seriously doubt you all "came up with" the ss br build. the point also was have people post what they use that differs from that standard fow team not offend me or discuss my build. my build was obviosly not apreciated which is fine but dont pretend you can convince me into stop playing what works for me and what i enjoy, and yeah i didnt deliberately try to offend anyone. i truly mean it.
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You didn't try to DELIBERATELY offend anyone dude, what are you on? I've read like 5 pages of flames, offensive comments, and elitist crap.
You didn't try to DELIBERATELY offend anyone
druggedchimp
Please close this thread.
It's clear that nothing is being achieved by some overly-defensive kid throwing a tantrum.
It's clear that nothing is being achieved by some overly-defensive kid throwing a tantrum.
Tarja
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
and yet i was like the only person who posted one. the build i posted is potentially one of the best necro pvp builds you can play. i posted it in an effort to encourage other people to post theirs but i think maybe 1-2 people if any actually did. it seems most people dont even consider other options to what is already out there. and yes i can solo an cow with a necro and a sword. its random yes but my point is if thats doable anything should fly in fow. what do you care if other people try out NEW or ORIGINAL builds.
Would you just stop, and think for a moment? You posted your build, which is an automatic invitation for the community to assess and critique, and then you become defensive and insult the members of the community, thus resulting in this horrendous thread of flaming fun.
By claiming that your build is "too good for us" you're NOT being open-minded, as being an open-minded person would accept the community's reviews, and incorporate them into making the build better. You can still be unconventional, it's how new builds are created, but neglecting the advice from the Guild Wars community, you not only damage the viability that with changes, your build could be useful, but you've solidified your reputation as being a close-minded, and ignorant individual.
You would never have an Assassin in your group? They aren't FOW Viable?
What happened to being unconventional?
According to the logic presented by you:
Unconventional/New = Good for FoW/UW
Assassin = unconventional/New
Therefore:
Assassin = Good for FoW/UW
Granted, a good build is needed, but that applies to EVERY PROFESSION
ALL of the profession within Guild Wars can be a great member in a group for elite areas of the game. Why single out Assassins, when it's clearly been proven by Renegade26 that they are viable?
You Sir, are contradicting yourself, stumble over everything you say, and clearly think that the "noob-elitest" way of thinking helps promote your case. FoW armor doesn't make you seem more of a reputable player, nor does a Gladiator title, or any title for that matter. There are thousands of players out there who are just as good as the person with the dozens of sets of FoW armors, and maxed out titles. Titles and armors don't affect your skill, your ability to accept criticism, advice, and the knowledge that not everything you think of is "the best" is what affects your skill.
By the way, I like how you added "potentially", when you had previous said it was already the best. Second thoughts maybe?
By claiming that your build is "too good for us" you're NOT being open-minded, as being an open-minded person would accept the community's reviews, and incorporate them into making the build better. You can still be unconventional, it's how new builds are created, but neglecting the advice from the Guild Wars community, you not only damage the viability that with changes, your build could be useful, but you've solidified your reputation as being a close-minded, and ignorant individual.
You would never have an Assassin in your group? They aren't FOW Viable?
What happened to being unconventional?
According to the logic presented by you:
Unconventional/New = Good for FoW/UW
Assassin = unconventional/New
Therefore:
Assassin = Good for FoW/UW
Granted, a good build is needed, but that applies to EVERY PROFESSION
ALL of the profession within Guild Wars can be a great member in a group for elite areas of the game. Why single out Assassins, when it's clearly been proven by Renegade26 that they are viable?
You Sir, are contradicting yourself, stumble over everything you say, and clearly think that the "noob-elitest" way of thinking helps promote your case. FoW armor doesn't make you seem more of a reputable player, nor does a Gladiator title, or any title for that matter. There are thousands of players out there who are just as good as the person with the dozens of sets of FoW armors, and maxed out titles. Titles and armors don't affect your skill, your ability to accept criticism, advice, and the knowledge that not everything you think of is "the best" is what affects your skill.
By the way, I like how you added "potentially", when you had previous said it was already the best. Second thoughts maybe?
zwei2stein
I am STILL waiting for screnshots of taking AAtaxe dowm solo with that build.
Renegade26
Im assuming populationcontrol's IGN is Subway Culture like in his status.
Still waiting to wipe his Necro with my Sin. Later I will post the build and describe how I would own him, if he doesnt come online at some point.
Still waiting to wipe his Necro with my Sin. Later I will post the build and describe how I would own him, if he doesnt come online at some point.
populationcontrol
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Originally Posted by Tarja
You would never have an Assassin in your group? They aren't FOW Viable?
What happened to being unconventional?
According to the logic presented by you:
Unconventional/New = Good for FoW/UW
Assassin = unconventional/New
Therefore:
Assassin = Good for FoW/UW
Granted, a good build is needed, but that applies to EVERY PROFESSION
if you scroll up and read what i actually said youll see that i stated many times that when i lead a fow group ill take an assasin, unlike pretty much every group where i am not leading.
i posted a necro unconventional build because its the class i most play and most others i have ive seen similar variations out there. the point was to have people post there builds they use that stray from what is used (i must have said this at least 5 times) but no one posts it... or has one? and yeah i can solo an cow using riposte and blood skills in uw, that the people who attempted it couldnt only proves they are unable to do it.
riposte is the best skills in the game
Isileth
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
the build i posted is potentially one of the best necro pvp builds you can play
riposte is the best skills in the game
Ok im sorry but this is obviousely a troll. Reported the thread, may it go to the realm of locked threads never to show its ugly head again.
populationcontrol
actually just because most people are beeing offensive and remaining offtopic doesnt make me the "troll". i offered to defend my build in game against prejudiced people who havent really even tried the build or faced it in their lives (seeing as staying on topic was impossible). "trolling" according to google is posting offensive stuff to agravate others, i fail to see how using and ecouraging the use of original builds while defending my own from people who havent even tried it is "trolling". i find trying to discuss and unearth other peoples "original" builds interesting. i even find your post an attempt to once again kill the purpose of this conversation and frankly isleth, of "trolling".
Isileth
The thread can only work if people are willing to take criticism in regards to what they post. You posted a build, people criticised your build yet you refuse to take any of that into account, you make comments such as "the build i posted is potentially one of the best necro pvp builds you can play".
You refuse to take into account anyones opinion that does not agree with yours, the build isnt that good. Does it work? Yes. Does it work as well as other builds? No.
Stating that your build is the best when quite clearly due to responses it isnt is fairly stupid. Now had you accepted peoples comments, perhaps changed your build (You dont have to, if you enjoy that build no one will have a problem with you playing it) based on what people suggested. Instead you started calling people noobs, saying they obviousely are less skilled than you etc (As a point that is trolling).
This thread could have been good, there are a lot of people who run builds that while different or less effective are fun and they enjoy playing, I know because I am one of them. However should someone ask for a build or ask you not to take a build (When they are team leader at the very least) you should not lie to get to use your build. They obviousely want something specific. You enjoy running that build I assume, well these people enjoy running specific teams much like you enjoy running a build. Swapping builds is not only quite childish but it doesnt help anyone, chances are they will kick you (and with good reason, you did lie) and never invite you again.
Sadly this thread has gone far away from saviour, different fun builds are always good, however if you post it on a forum you are posting it for others to comment on. If you cant take the comments then dont post it, you can enjoy it just the same without posting it on forums.
You refuse to take into account anyones opinion that does not agree with yours, the build isnt that good. Does it work? Yes. Does it work as well as other builds? No.
Stating that your build is the best when quite clearly due to responses it isnt is fairly stupid. Now had you accepted peoples comments, perhaps changed your build (You dont have to, if you enjoy that build no one will have a problem with you playing it) based on what people suggested. Instead you started calling people noobs, saying they obviousely are less skilled than you etc (As a point that is trolling).
This thread could have been good, there are a lot of people who run builds that while different or less effective are fun and they enjoy playing, I know because I am one of them. However should someone ask for a build or ask you not to take a build (When they are team leader at the very least) you should not lie to get to use your build. They obviousely want something specific. You enjoy running that build I assume, well these people enjoy running specific teams much like you enjoy running a build. Swapping builds is not only quite childish but it doesnt help anyone, chances are they will kick you (and with good reason, you did lie) and never invite you again.
Sadly this thread has gone far away from saviour, different fun builds are always good, however if you post it on a forum you are posting it for others to comment on. If you cant take the comments then dont post it, you can enjoy it just the same without posting it on forums.
populationcontrol
my build was never the point of the discussion just posted it to encourage others to post theres (guessing 6th time i might have posted this). and actually if you read posts you can clearly tell that if anyone was offensive it was people who steered conversation offtopic (something like yourself), and if anything judging from some of the peoples posts i have reamained very polite. you also said different builds are "fun" then said mine would work but less than the normal ss br (i assume). clearly youve never even tried my build and had already made up your mind about it. you also failed to post an unconvetional build, your purpose of posting i think (although its already dead) is to kill this post with some sort of conclusion against me. i reserve the right to post what works for me in this forum, and though it may not work for you (which i know you wont even try it) it might work for someone else, someone who might try it and apreciate it. something i would have likedto have the chance to do but clearly talking about my build is too important to post yours.
Isileth
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Originally Posted by populationcontrol
clearly youve never even tried my build and had already made up your mind about it.
(which i know you wont even try it)
May I ask how you can be so sure I havent tried it? I have tried it (I felt that was kind of important before I started making comments on it
Does it work as well as you claim? No it does not
Does it work? Yes, but as stated before less effectively than others.
However, because of the purpose of this thread its not about if this build is the best build ever, if you enjoy playing it then it achieves its purpose. That being said any build can achieve that purpose so I cant really see the point of a thread that allows any build to be posted in and then appluaded for achieving its purpose of being fun to play.
populationcontrol
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Originally Posted by Isileth
May I ask how you can be so sure I havent tried it? I have tried it (I felt that was kind of important before I started making comments on it ).
i know because in a guide i posted about this build, you and like 5 other guild wars guru members went on a campaign to deride it having admiting in it that it was not necesary to try it at least several times. you and another guru person (much more offensive perosn who i reported and who then desisted unlike yourself) to follow every single thread and deride everything i say. id like to add that the abuse (beeing much more hardcore than here) got so insane i offered to duel anyone whom thought my build was lame. people backed off and the only person who stepped up to the challenge died in under 15 secs. i can post screen of his dead body if someone tells me how to post a screen in chat (it wasnt isleths, he did not rise to the challenge). so yeah thats how i know and the fact that i defeated a guy who literally designed a build to kill me (having a 3 page guide) not only proves this build is strong but most people so keen on deriding cant even design a build to defeat an existing one (which is actually easy, i really should have died), and maybe thats why i do not awknowledge your opinion on the subject.
i know because in a guide i posted about this build, you and like 5 other guild wars guru members went on a campaign to deride it having admiting in it that it was not necesary to try it at least several times. you and another guru person (much more offensive perosn who i reported and who then desisted unlike yourself) to follow every single thread and deride everything i say. id like to add that the abuse (beeing much more hardcore than here) got so insane i offered to duel anyone whom thought my build was lame. people backed off and the only person who stepped up to the challenge died in under 15 secs. i can post screen of his dead body if someone tells me how to post a screen in chat (it wasnt isleths, he did not rise to the challenge). so yeah thats how i know and the fact that i defeated a guy who literally designed a build to kill me (having a 3 page guide) not only proves this build is strong but most people so keen on deriding cant even design a build to defeat an existing one (which is actually easy, i really should have died), and maybe thats why i do not awknowledge your opinion on the subject.
Renegade26
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Originally Posted by Renegade26
Still waiting to wipe his Necro with my Sin.
Still waiting.
Isileth
I have to say your claiming your build is good based on the fact you beat someone in 1v1? This is a team game. In a team your build is lacking compared to other options.
And might I add perhaps you should have taken the hint when in that other thread most people came out and said the build was poor.
As for any abuse that didnt happen until you started refusing advice on the build and insulting others. Now that thread is a little old now so I cant recall the exact comments but it was very much along the lines of this thread, you calling people noobs and stating that they obviousely didnt know how to play if they couldnt get it to work.
The fact that AFTER having a thread about the same build turned into a troll and flamefest you went and created another is what brought me to my opinion that you are posting this thread delibertaly to start an argument hence my accusation of trolling.
And might I add perhaps you should have taken the hint when in that other thread most people came out and said the build was poor.
As for any abuse that didnt happen until you started refusing advice on the build and insulting others. Now that thread is a little old now so I cant recall the exact comments but it was very much along the lines of this thread, you calling people noobs and stating that they obviousely didnt know how to play if they couldnt get it to work.
The fact that AFTER having a thread about the same build turned into a troll and flamefest you went and created another is what brought me to my opinion that you are posting this thread delibertaly to start an argument hence my accusation of trolling.
populationcontrol
can you get on right now? i get the feeling there going to close this before i can kill you.
Mesmer in Need
After rofl at this thread several times, i am here to sum it up:
"I am tired of narrowmindedness of people only thinking 1 build works and that the build everyone should use. Anyways, this is my build and it works everywhere it can solo aatxes and it owns."
"That build is terrible. Try changing this to this and that to that"
"No that will never work. This build only works 1 way and it cannot be changed. Its that leet"
See my idea? You were mad because people only wanted to use the same build or team, however you were just as narowminded about your own build, no even making the slightest change.
"I am tired of narrowmindedness of people only thinking 1 build works and that the build everyone should use. Anyways, this is my build and it works everywhere it can solo aatxes and it owns."
"That build is terrible. Try changing this to this and that to that"
"No that will never work. This build only works 1 way and it cannot be changed. Its that leet"
See my idea? You were mad because people only wanted to use the same build or team, however you were just as narowminded about your own build, no even making the slightest change.
Renegade26
Ive been on for a very long time. I get the feeling that your avoiding me, or your character name isnt subway culture. Btw you wont kill me with that shit you posted on the first page if I ran 0 skills.
populationcontrol
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Originally Posted by Isileth
I have to say your claiming your build is good based on the fact you beat someone in 1v1? This is a team game. In a team your build is lacking compared to other options.
As for any abuse that didnt happen until you started refusing advice as far as im concerned insults isnt advice, idd also like to add in pvp you do in fact wind up least 2-3 per glad point in a 1 on 1 battle where obviously a great 1 vs 1 build is an advantage. not to mention for all your self righteousness you didnt dare dueling my build. every build has a counter build, i can even think of ways of killing my build. but i like it because no one goes into battle with skills design to kill something like this.
ill be right on
As for any abuse that didnt happen until you started refusing advice as far as im concerned insults isnt advice, idd also like to add in pvp you do in fact wind up least 2-3 per glad point in a 1 on 1 battle where obviously a great 1 vs 1 build is an advantage. not to mention for all your self righteousness you didnt dare dueling my build. every build has a counter build, i can even think of ways of killing my build. but i like it because no one goes into battle with skills design to kill something like this.
ill be right on
Renegade26
Im actually free now*.
Tab
For God's sake, shut up and accept that your build is crap.
Isileth
Again with the "Ill duel you to show you how good my build is!"
Now please read the next line carefully, possibly multiple times until you are clear about its meaning.
Guild Wars is a team game
So you take a 1v1 build into RA/TA, you are no help to your team although due to their skill they take down 3 players before they go. You then win 1v1.
So you take a 1v1 build into RA/TA, you are no help to your team and due to the other teams skill fail to kill anyone. You then loose 4v1.
So you take a good team build in RA/TA, you are a help to your team, you kill the other team without messing around in 1v1.
So while you might win with a 1v1 build, its not due to you or your build. However if you took a decent build you might actually help your team.
Also do you know why "no one goes into battle with skills design to kill something this." because that would be foolish. Instead of trying to counter your build they quickly dispatch of the rest of your team then face you 4v1, where it doesnt matter if they havent brought a counter to your build. they will beat you all the same.
And as an extra note, saying a build is good in RA and then going on to say its one of the best pvp builds available for a necro not the most well thought through of ideas. RA isnt what most will consider pvp at the highest level.
And another note in response to "as far as im concerned insults isnt advice".
No insults were made until you not only refused to listen or even aknowledge advice but turned round and insulted people for offering it to you.
Now please read the next line carefully, possibly multiple times until you are clear about its meaning.
Guild Wars is a team game
So you take a 1v1 build into RA/TA, you are no help to your team although due to their skill they take down 3 players before they go. You then win 1v1.
So you take a 1v1 build into RA/TA, you are no help to your team and due to the other teams skill fail to kill anyone. You then loose 4v1.
So you take a good team build in RA/TA, you are a help to your team, you kill the other team without messing around in 1v1.
So while you might win with a 1v1 build, its not due to you or your build. However if you took a decent build you might actually help your team.
Also do you know why "no one goes into battle with skills design to kill something this." because that would be foolish. Instead of trying to counter your build they quickly dispatch of the rest of your team then face you 4v1, where it doesnt matter if they havent brought a counter to your build. they will beat you all the same.
And as an extra note, saying a build is good in RA and then going on to say its one of the best pvp builds available for a necro not the most well thought through of ideas. RA isnt what most will consider pvp at the highest level.
And another note in response to "as far as im concerned insults isnt advice".
No insults were made until you not only refused to listen or even aknowledge advice but turned round and insulted people for offering it to you.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets
For God's sake, shut up and accept that your build is crap.
Woooo! You're back! *biiiiiig hug!*
To everyone else on here - really, stop trying. Population appears to be textually deaf.
To everyone else on here - really, stop trying. Population appears to be textually deaf.