Ok, quick post, maybe people will agree with this, STOP BUYING ARMBRACES. If anything, we should be protesting the people selling them for cheap to rid their account of them, not helping them. I agree, people with legit armbraces have it rough right now, and I fell absolutely terrible for you, but these "
WTB armbrace 50k, HAVE to stop.
Wait till anet figures out more action to take, or until more bans are issued, but by feeding these people purging themselves of armbraces, you are killing the market. Not just on armbraces, on everything.
I'm sure people will disagree with me, but it'd be comforting to know that some agree. I just hate seeing people that are ALMOST as bad as the dupers that are trying to buy for 10k. Please, just stop.
/my 2 bits
Koo Ooomar
PLEASE stop trying to buy armbraces, youre hurting yourself
kooomar
Pupu
This is all over ascalon id1/2, 2 districts of 'WTB ambraces'.
i said 'wts ambrace 5 charr carvings' the amount of pms and party invites was stupid i had to go offline.
as OP said, stop trying to buy ambraces, your only get angry in the end.
i said 'wts ambrace 5 charr carvings' the amount of pms and party invites was stupid i had to go offline.
as OP said, stop trying to buy ambraces, your only get angry in the end.
AlienFromBeyond
When you pay for my account, then you can tell me what to do.
lacasner
Actually, the reason you should stop buying them is because you may be confused for a duper lol, they may be tainted or traceable. Moral reasons come second to most people sadly..
GODh
This makes me wonder how anet determines when someone is a duper not not... if this is done why "watching" ppl sell/buy armbraces then i think that is a very smelly method 
Neo Nugget
Im not gonna buy any and risk getting banned.
Yawgmoth
The thing is that if there are still people with large amounts of duped armbraces, they certainly aren't looking to sell them quick for crappy prices. They aren't desperate for gold but they got the power to undercut any legitimate armbrace seller. They will always have the cheapest ones anyway. It all depends on how many of them will actually survive the banfest.
While the hordes of WTB spammers spam various stupid prices, the actual prices sellers ask for has dropped significantly too. I've seen today some sellers selling at 100k+40e when a week ago it was more like 100k+60e.
While the hordes of WTB spammers spam various stupid prices, the actual prices sellers ask for has dropped significantly too. I've seen today some sellers selling at 100k+40e when a week ago it was more like 100k+60e.
T N Player
i was planning on saving up for an armbrace for a tormented scythe, but im not to going to buy if i can get banned for it
Takuna
I don't see why people have to find a reason that's in their interest to not buy an armbrace... Morals seem to have gone out of fashion...
bart
somebody gave an example where the same thing happened in Runescape. in the end the items were not removed because they have traded countless hands and too many ppl would be banned if so. so... if I can buy an ambrace now for 50k and later when the market has returned to normal sell it for 100k+40e i'd be making loads. Thats why ppl are buying like mad. How do u think ppl in the got rich? because they took chances, exploited exploits (eg, SF tank runs) or buy low sell high. In this case it is all of the above.
TechnoSword
Still buying like mad, a ton of people will still have arm braces selling it for high prices eventually there just gonna lower over all im guessing. 100k is what i think they will turn into maybe
You can't see me
Bart, I played Runescape for 2+ years, and owned one of the items you're talking about. Your information is a tad incorrect.
These rare items were a christmas drop that were tradebale, and just became more expensive because people were destroying them and there was no way to get them. There was no legitamte reason to ban people or remove them. It wasn't a bug that they were tradeable, and not a bug they would never drop again. They're like the asian minipets.
~Edit, I AGREE that a lot of online gamers get rich by exploiting the exploited, your idea is correct.
But back on topic, yes, it's a very bad idea to buy or sell armbraces now. Even if you trade a duped one in for a tormented item, you're still going to be traced if you held it, and the tormented item has the code that was given from the NPC for the code of the armbrace, so you're still traceable.
I personally bought a tormented sheild today (For the normal amount, I did not buy it from someone who was trying to get rid of thier items for a cheap price), but before I found out about the duping. I'm debating selling it, though the seller swears that his armbrace was legit, even though he bought it from someone else two days ago.
I don't want to be banned or risk it vanishing on me, that's a lot of money.
However, there's not much chance it's an illegal item, being most armbraces that were duped were cleared from all the bans of the stack traders.
These rare items were a christmas drop that were tradebale, and just became more expensive because people were destroying them and there was no way to get them. There was no legitamte reason to ban people or remove them. It wasn't a bug that they were tradeable, and not a bug they would never drop again. They're like the asian minipets.
~Edit, I AGREE that a lot of online gamers get rich by exploiting the exploited, your idea is correct.
But back on topic, yes, it's a very bad idea to buy or sell armbraces now. Even if you trade a duped one in for a tormented item, you're still going to be traced if you held it, and the tormented item has the code that was given from the NPC for the code of the armbrace, so you're still traceable.
I personally bought a tormented sheild today (For the normal amount, I did not buy it from someone who was trying to get rid of thier items for a cheap price), but before I found out about the duping. I'm debating selling it, though the seller swears that his armbrace was legit, even though he bought it from someone else two days ago.
I don't want to be banned or risk it vanishing on me, that's a lot of money.
However, there's not much chance it's an illegal item, being most armbraces that were duped were cleared from all the bans of the stack traders.
kooomar
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When you pay for my account, then you can tell me what to do.
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This is a much bigger ordeal than "omfg, super cheap armbraces wtb 10 for 100k" It is already having sever ramifications to the market. Ectos flux about 1k per day, anywhere from 4.7 to 5.5k, minipets seem to be dropping, Gwens are going up, and other very odd trends, market-wise.
Im asking only to let the market stabilize from this travesty, then buy armbraces to your hearts content. It will help everyone in the long run alot more than you're helping yourself now. Thats all.
MithranArkanere
Market does not matter much.
People has been banned for purchasing duped armbraces. That's the real reason not to buy them until all this is oever.
Now they are even selling that 'hot stuff' for 10k, and one guy was spamming ES-1 Cavalon with a 'Free armbraces' page.
People has been banned for purchasing duped armbraces. That's the real reason not to buy them until all this is oever.
Now they are even selling that 'hot stuff' for 10k, and one guy was spamming ES-1 Cavalon with a 'Free armbraces' page.
Teh [prefession]-zorz
Well if it indeed does go to 100k, i wouldnt be so mad ^^
You can't see me
Well, I just hope Anet doe NOT consider a rollback. I am one of the buyers that would be hit a large amount of cash for the tormented item I purchased today, unknowing at the time of the duplication.
Ceylon Tea Cat
I sold my mini Oni to a people at almost 8/12 16:00(GMT+8) in Ascalon inter#1.
He paid me 8 Armbrace of truth
I lost my oni and 'm in a terror of baning cuz I got 8 armbrace.
I dont know that there are some dupers in Guild Wars..until I saw the thread in Guru yesterday.
I TRUSTED ANET that they'll prevent those things (like dupe or somthing)NOT happened.
BUT GG said they had "NOTICED THIS LONG TIME AGO".
Why dont stop those dupers before they offer ridiculous amount of armbraces buying rare minis?
Why dont stop those dupers before they ruin the market of GW?
ANET just NOTICED dupings and did NOTHING.
I sent a mail to [email protected] but they haven't give me a response....
He paid me 8 Armbrace of truth
I lost my oni and 'm in a terror of baning cuz I got 8 armbrace.
I dont know that there are some dupers in Guild Wars..until I saw the thread in Guru yesterday.
I TRUSTED ANET that they'll prevent those things (like dupe or somthing)NOT happened.
BUT GG said they had "NOTICED THIS LONG TIME AGO".
Why dont stop those dupers before they offer ridiculous amount of armbraces buying rare minis?
Why dont stop those dupers before they ruin the market of GW?
ANET just NOTICED dupings and did NOTHING.
I sent a mail to [email protected] but they haven't give me a response....
spellsword
I don't care for the economy, I just want a cheap armbrace. As you can't tell if one is duped or legit, I would be a fool for passing a good offer. 
upier
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Possibly the most ignorant response feasible. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, I'm asking, for the benefit of the community, and the game which I truly have loved until this has ruined the market, to not buy armbraces temporarily. There are always people that are looking on the bright side, and trying to make a quick buck, but do people not realize that this is a slippery slope to crashing the gw market?
This is a much bigger ordeal than "omfg, super cheap armbraces wtb 10 for 100k" It is already having sever ramifications to the market. Ectos flux about 1k per day, anywhere from 4.7 to 5.5k, minipets seem to be dropping, Gwens are going up, and other very odd trends, market-wise. Im asking only to let the market stabilize from this travesty, then buy armbraces to your hearts content. It will help everyone in the long run alot more than you're helping yourself now. Thats all. |
We aren't dealing with people's lives.
If it goes to hell - we'll just find a different game.
But as long as we play - we should make the most of it!
So - bring on those cheap things and let's go down in flames!
daraaksii
Why armbrace is that cheap?! Haven't played for about 2 months.
spellsword
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Why armbrace is that cheap?! Haven't played for about 2 months.
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Draccor The Great
I AM IN NO WAY FOR THE DUPING OF ITEMS. I have seen ppl say this is killing the economy. Whos economy is it killing the ones who are rich already.
There should never be a single item in this game that has a value any higher then 100k.
GOLD should be the only thing used to buy items with not ectos, rubies, diamonds etc.
Your more relaxed player who doesn't farm all the time makes enough to get by. When it comes time for a item they would like 100k should be all they need.
I for one dont farm fow or uw. When I see "selling ele sword 100k 50 ectos", to much.
One way anet could fix the market so everyone can get a neat item they choose is flood the market with the most popular items out there.
Prices drop then even the casual player can get one.
I have enough gold to get me by but I feel I shouldnt have to convert it to a material to buy something. Neither should anyone else.
Things i have
req 10 ele sword paid 75k for
mallyx Reaver 50k for
Tormented strength shield 100k
Scimmy req9 80k
I think that is reasonable for those items.
Look at titan gems anet found a way to flood the market with them and boom they sell for 15k ea now seen some for 12k ea.
There should never be a single item in this game that has a value any higher then 100k.
GOLD should be the only thing used to buy items with not ectos, rubies, diamonds etc.
Your more relaxed player who doesn't farm all the time makes enough to get by. When it comes time for a item they would like 100k should be all they need.
I for one dont farm fow or uw. When I see "selling ele sword 100k 50 ectos", to much.
One way anet could fix the market so everyone can get a neat item they choose is flood the market with the most popular items out there.
Prices drop then even the casual player can get one.
I have enough gold to get me by but I feel I shouldnt have to convert it to a material to buy something. Neither should anyone else.
Things i have
req 10 ele sword paid 75k for
mallyx Reaver 50k for
Tormented strength shield 100k
Scimmy req9 80k
I think that is reasonable for those items.
Look at titan gems anet found a way to flood the market with them and boom they sell for 15k ea now seen some for 12k ea.
Prof Of Black
Guys, dont buy ANY armbraces.
I bought some, without knowing about the exploit.
I'm banned now, Permanent.
~Prof.
I bought some, without knowing about the exploit.
I'm banned now, Permanent.
~Prof.
You can't see me
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It's a GAME.
We aren't dealing with people's lives. If it goes to hell - we'll just find a different game. But as long as we play - we should make the most of it! So - bring on those cheap things and let's go down in flames! |
There's no need to point at people for thier concern for the general public. Knock it off.
Ben-A-BoO
You might wanna read this post of Gaile Gray if you think about purchasing Armbraces now:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=43
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=43
Prof Of Black
It's safer if you dont buy armbraces.
Getting banned isnt worth it.
~Prof.
Getting banned isnt worth it.
~Prof.
Dione Davore
He who decides to play with fire may get burned.
Keep the hands off the Armbraces, I thing the various threads on forums about people getting banned for buying them are clear enough.
Keep the hands off the Armbraces, I thing the various threads on forums about people getting banned for buying them are clear enough.
spellsword
Well duh, how am I to know which ones are legit? Should we just stop trading them alltogether?
$neekie
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Market does not matter much.
People has been banned for purchasing duped armbraces. That's the real reason not to buy them until all this is oever. Now they are even selling that 'hot stuff' for 10k, and one guy was spamming ES-1 Cavalon with a 'Free armbraces' page. |
mzzls
Squirrel Oo
Emm... I was gone for about a month or so, and now I am home and I just read this sh*t. Is this really the solution? Banning everyone for THEIR mistakes? So what if ppl duped these items, I just arrived and let's imagine I bought one w/o knowing the consequences. And I'd get banned for that? This is ridiculous, really. I don't really care who duped them, how and how much he made from it. I just think that banning everyone is just plain stupid. Do they kick employees when balance is ... imbalanced? Just a simple example, when things get too big noone cares about the users and their minority problems... This is a fact.
You can't see me
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Originally Posted by Draccor The Great
I AM IN NO WAY FOR THE DUPING OF ITEMS. I have seen ppl say this is killing the economy. Whos economy is it killing the ones who are rich already.
There should never be a single item in this game that has a value any higher then 100k. GOLD should be the only thing used to buy items with not ectos, rubies, diamonds etc. Your more relaxed player who doesn't farm all the time makes enough to get by. When it comes time for a item they would like 100k should be all they need. I for one dont farm fow or uw. When I see "selling ele sword 100k 50 ectos", to much. One way anet could fix the market so everyone can get a neat item they choose is flood the market with the most popular items out there. Prices drop then even the casual player can get one. I have enough gold to get me by but I feel I shouldnt have to convert it to a material to buy something. Neither should anyone else. Things i have req 10 ele sword paid 75k for mallyx Reaver 50k for Tormented strength shield 100k Scimmy req9 80k I think that is reasonable for those items. Look at titan gems anet found a way to flood the market with them and boom they sell for 15k ea now seen some for 12k ea. |
Yeah, that would be great if we all played for 2 months and left -.-
The average player can make 100k in two months from starting playing on the average time frame. What comes after that? I've played this for a year now. (Got my first mini today actually.) PvP? Take your PvP elsewhere, it's not for me.
Sorry I don't want to cater to the lazy people who want to get the best ingame items with as little work as possible. I want more of a challenge and more of a place to go in my gameplay, as do many others. I don't think a minipet which now probably has 20 existing in the world should cost 100k.
The REAL solution to the Ecto problem you have conflict with would be to increase the money cap from 100 plat to 1000 plat or higher. But this isn't feasable anyway, being ecto prices and shard prices would drop dramatically, anyone who owned ecto would be robbed of cash, and all ecto farmers would be royally screwed.
On top of that, FoW armor would go far down in price, once again catering to the lazy community.
Your greed and short-sightedness disgust me.
acidic
put out an announcement and ban anyone that trade armbraces simple as that. Don't waste man-hours sifting on tracking just let Darwin do the work and perm bans with no appeals plz.
upier
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Be it a game or not, people still have a level of caring. There's a person behind every character in this game. A Real one. We say these types of things and try to get people to do them so everyone who is affected has an easier time. Forgive me if I'm a "Nerd" who cares about only a game. (Which I'm not, but you can think that to your hearts content, I don't really give rat droppings.)
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Show me you care! Preferably with ectos!
Now there is a real person behind a real problem.
Or maybe you care only about the things that benefit YOU?
If we don't care about GW it might crash and then YOU are out of a game.
Seriously - how many times do we offer advice? How many times do we give away items to people that need them more then we do? How many times do we help players with missions or quests? How many times do we act completely without ulterior motives?
I see this post as a cry to not take that last step. If the market crashes quite a few players will leave - just because there is absolutely nothing to do. And the game will start to crash. And the players like the OP will be left without people to play with. Well - you'll be playing.
Tijger
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Well duh, how am I to know which ones are legit? Should we just stop trading them alltogether?
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themeteor
Economics! although I cannot say that I know it all but I can tell the best economy is a non existent economy where everyone has what they want. The "Economic Problem" states that there is a limited amount of resources in relation to humanities unlimited wants. Economics is, to a certain extent, about making the most of what we have and therefore making prices lower so more people can have more stuff.
So the a decline in the price of products can be considered a good thing, in fact low inflation, the constant increase in prices over time for a whole economy is considered one the the big 4 macroeconomic objectives.
What am I saying I hear you ask? well simply lower prices imply efficient economy = good economy. I am not is support of duping just annoyed to see another topic saying that some random product being cheaper is a bad thing for the economy when it is one of the better things imaginable.
So the a decline in the price of products can be considered a good thing, in fact low inflation, the constant increase in prices over time for a whole economy is considered one the the big 4 macroeconomic objectives.
What am I saying I hear you ask? well simply lower prices imply efficient economy = good economy. I am not is support of duping just annoyed to see another topic saying that some random product being cheaper is a bad thing for the economy when it is one of the better things imaginable.
FelixCarter
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I sold my mini Oni to a people at almost 8/12 16:00(GMT+8) in Ascalon inter#1.
He paid me 8 Armbrace of truth I lost my oni and 'm in a terror of baning cuz I got 8 armbrace. I dont know that there are some dupers in Guild Wars..until I saw the thread in Guru yesterday. I TRUSTED ANET that they'll prevent those things (like dupe or somthing)NOT happened. BUT GG said they had "NOTICED THIS LONG TIME AGO". Why dont stop those dupers before they offer ridiculous amount of armbraces buying rare minis? Why dont stop those dupers before they ruin the market of GW? ANET just NOTICED dupings and did NOTHING. I sent a mail to [email protected] but they haven't give me a response.... |
As for the market, I'm staying away from buying/selling things until everything calms down... I suggest everyone else do the same until ANet stops driving their ban-mobile.
Sparda
IMO they have to just mark those accounts who bought one and perma ban those account who equip al they hero's with tormented weapons and duped them.
Anet have to akt couse now you have 2 sets of players 1 who have it al and 2 who have nothing.
You can sell your soul to the devil thats you choise but i rather earn my money by playing than this lame freaking xploit
Anet have to akt couse now you have 2 sets of players 1 who have it al and 2 who have nothing.
You can sell your soul to the devil thats you choise but i rather earn my money by playing than this lame freaking xploit
Zodiak
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Guys, dont buy ANY armbraces.
I bought some, without knowing about the exploit. I'm banned now, Permanent. ~Prof. |
Mordakai
Prof of Black: If you think you are innocent, appeal. If you are innocent, I'm sure they will reinstate you.
One thing to learn from all this: Greed is Bad. I learned this back when I was a noob and lost 4 Black Dye (back when Black Dye was worth over 10,000 gold) by being greedy and trying to sell it to a player rather than get a little less from the Trader. I got scammed and learned a valuable lesson:
Greed is bad. If you see a deal that's "Too good to be true", it probably is. Be suspicious, be cautious, and look up the value of everything before you trade it. That's the best way to keep from being scammed, banned or anything else bad happening to you.
Peace.
One thing to learn from all this: Greed is Bad. I learned this back when I was a noob and lost 4 Black Dye (back when Black Dye was worth over 10,000 gold) by being greedy and trying to sell it to a player rather than get a little less from the Trader. I got scammed and learned a valuable lesson:
Greed is bad. If you see a deal that's "Too good to be true", it probably is. Be suspicious, be cautious, and look up the value of everything before you trade it. That's the best way to keep from being scammed, banned or anything else bad happening to you.
Peace.
NeHoMaR
About buying armbraces and the annoying SPAM about it, well, the thing making me laugh here is NO ONE is selling armbraces at all, so, why people SPAM that bull?
Let me speculate: You bought "some"? hmmm? like 1000 or more? to your own other account when you duped yourself the items? or...?? // Any resemblance to any real events is pure coincidence
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Guys, dont buy ANY armbraces.
I bought some, without knowing about the exploit. I'm banned now, Permanent. ~Prof. |