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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
And you have. And you shall.
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Miniature Mallyx in Pre-Searing - Another Glitch or Not ?
arcanemacabre
Yeah, manitoba, I'd like to see the list of hacks you've compiled. Seriously. I'm sure Anet would love to see it, too.
Awesome, and double awesome. Let the taint of Pre be washed away! 
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Players who possess tomes and players who have used tomes are known to us and will not be allowed to remain in Pre-Searing.
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arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Then that totally sucks for the people that are going for the LDoA title and had no idea that tomes shouldn't exist in Pre-searing. Please, just do something about tomes. Don't screw over the players.
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Neo Nugget
How could you not know tomes aren't supposed to be in pre?Especially if your goin for LDoA.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Question: Who in the heck would know about the LDoA title, and know about the method in which it is achieved, but not know tomes aren't supposed to be in Pre? Yeah, I don't see that happening.
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Was there a dated announcement saying that they wouldn't drop in pre, or that they said that they wouldn't allow them to drop in Pre? (Not being a smartass, just curious).
Neo Nugget
Well tomes are hard mode only, and no hard mode in pre
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
When I heard about it, I thought it was just a new goodie like charr bags.
Was there a dated announcement saying that they wouldn't drop in pre, or that they said that they wouldn't allow them to drop in Pre? (Not being a smartass, just curious). |
I mean, unless they're idiotic and buy it straight away without thinking twice. Chances are, if anyone bought a tome, they knew what was up. I'd really like to hear the defense of someone who actually did buy one (or more).
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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget
Well tomes are hard mode only, and no hard mode in pre
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Bryant Again
*sigh* I guess I just don't like how long it takes to get to 20, and that essentially they're royally screwed now. I guess it's just overkill for me. I think I'd rather be banned...
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
*sigh* I guess I just don't like how long it takes to get to 20, and that essentially they're royally screwed now. I guess it's just overkill for me. I think I'd rather be banned...
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I'd /sign that over kicking them out to post.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Oh? Can you prove that? Or are you just talking nonsense? I know the truth; you clearly do not. Remember -- we have the records; we have the facts. We know everything that has gone on, and I assure you, this situation has not existed for two months, and there have decidedly not "been lost of hacks before that." Don't for an instant think that you can talk such nonsense in this community and not get called on it.
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http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q...acks&FORM=MSNH
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guild+wars+hacks
Take your pick. Though most are more than likely key loggers.
Since I cant post the actually locations here you can fun looking through them, you will find them.
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
Take your pick. Though most are more than likely key loggers.
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Try again.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Surely you can't be seriously thinking any of those are real hacks, at all. Not even most, manitoba, they are all keyloggers, virii, spyware, backdoors, you name it. I would stake my account that there isn't a single "legit" hack for GW in any of those 2 bazillion pages listed.
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arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
No I am not joking. I cant post the actual sites but I think I can say it begins with a T after the www. And yes as I said most of the searches are probably keyloggers and such.
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Examples of the two we know of:
1) There was a way to send pre-searing characters to the guild hall, even after the original exploit was fixed; and
2) There was a way to dupe items by exploiting the reconnect feature
See? No websites, no links, just short and sweet explanations of hacks that we are aware of. So what information do you have to relay to us ignorant souls eager to learn?
Agent Mold3r
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Oh? Can you prove that? Or are you just talking nonsense? I know the truth; you clearly do not. Remember -- we have the records; we have the facts. We know everything that has gone on, and I assure you, this situation has not existed for two months, and there have decidedly not "been lost of hacks before that." Don't for an instant think that you can talk such nonsense in this community and not get called on it.
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wow you got owned by a mod...i would be so ashamed..
Agent Mold3r
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
No I am not joking. I cant post the actual sites but I think I can say it begins with a T after the www. And yes as I said most of the searches are probably keyloggers and such.
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Oh my sweet jesus...it BEGINS WITH A T?!?! Gaile Gray/ Anet, i'm sorry but you can't argue with rock hard evidence like this......LOL
If your so sure they are hacks, why dont you go try! I'm sure you wont lose your account!!
Pathetic...GG
ValaOfTheFens
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
If you're going for the title, you have your finger on the pulse of everything Pre-Searing. The first time you heard about the bag, or the salvage kit, it was how it was found in Pre, from the Charr, not from someone selling it. Even still, your first reaction wouldn't be, "There are tomes dropping in pre? Holy crap let me buy one!" No, it would be "There are tomes dropping in pre? Where?" and your research and questioning would begin. It wouldn't take long to figure out that they aren't dropping - they must be coming in a different way.
I mean, unless they're idiotic and buy it straight away without thinking twice. Chances are, if anyone bought a tome, they knew what was up. I'd really like to hear the defense of someone who actually did buy one (or more). |
Firebaall
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Then that totally sucks for the people that are going for the LDoA title and had no idea that tomes shouldn't exist in Pre-searing. Please, just do something about tomes. Don't screw over the players.
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Bull.
"Gee, I would sure like to buy that tome mister!". "How much is it?". The seller replies: "1 million for a regular tome, and 5 million for an elite tome."
Yeah, you (or whoever you're concerned about) didn't "know" doesn't cut it.
<sniff><sniff>
Is somebody BBQing steaks? Oh, wait...nevermind. It's just somebody's character getting seared.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Firebaall
lol...
Bull. "Gee, I would sure like to buy that tome mister!". "How much is it?". The seller replies: "1 million for a regular tome, and 5 million for an elite tome." Yeah, you (or whoever you're concerned about) didn't "know" doesn't cut it. <sniff><sniff> Is somebody BBQing steaks? Oh, wait...nevermind. It's just somebody's character getting seared. |
Edit: It's 3.
jesusrunz
i has a mallyx
Bryant Again
i has a shuvel!
Firebaall
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Yeah I already got burnt for that, son. See a couple posts up. At least my highest level in pre is...I think 2 right now. So flame elsewhere.
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Shakti
Manitoba either doesn't realize who Gaile is and what access she has to back up her statements or it just not quite quick enough to know he's in over his head with this argument. Who had that brilliant you got pwned link?
To Gaile, thank you sincerely for the info and all you're doing passing things back and forth during all this Drama. Have a cookie hun XD
To Gaile, thank you sincerely for the info and all you're doing passing things back and forth during all this Drama. Have a cookie hun XD
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Firebaall
Don't come whining on the forums about how you "didn't know". Be very grateful you didn't get banned, like some of the developers voted for.
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Nemo the Capitalist
that is funny ...it rivals the mystery of Gwen too how did she survive.
Mork from Ork
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
When I heard about it, I thought it was just a new goodie like charr bags.
Was there a dated announcement saying that they wouldn't drop in pre, or that they said that they wouldn't allow them to drop in Pre? (Not being a smartass, just curious). |
Not that it really changes anything. A character with a tome in pre is at too much of an advantage - shoot him on to post.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Shakti
Manitoba either doesn't realize who Gaile is and what access she has to back up her statements or it just not quite quick enough to know he's in over his head with this argument. Who had that brilliant you got pwned link?
To Gaile, thank you sincerely for the info and all you're doing passing things back and forth during all this Drama. Have a cookie hun XD |
Then look at this site http://gw.skryer.com/ on it someone is asking about dupe weapons from 5/17/07 3 MONTHS AGO. Its been going on longer than Anet wants to admit.
kooomar
So, whats happened with all these things in Pre? Because, right now, Im staring at an Oni at the bottom of the stairs in AD1.
Gaile Gray
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I know exactly who Gaile is. But theres a big problem going on and shes hiding it, and a few here know of it. For those that remember the proggy Requia
Then look at this site http://gw.skryer.com/ on it someone is asking about dupe weapons from 5/17/07 3 MONTHS AGO. Its been going on longer than Anet wants to admit. |
I'm sorry, manitoba, I don't mean to be harsh with you. But I really, really can't let statements like "Guild Wars has a lot of hacks" go unchallenged. Mentioning a website, or relaying that someone asked for a hack three months ago is meaningless. I want to see the hacked item. I want to know the account name. I want to get my mitts on the code for the "hack." But aside from a few people (and yes, it was few) making some dupes or moving from Pre- to Post-Searing and back -- and both were dealt with quite thoroughly and well -- I just don't see that we have anything to point to as a problem right now.
The Oni is fine. We handed out the 10 winner prizes in the Brand the Bosses Contest on Friday. I'm sure the little guy is legit.
Drop of Fear
can we safely say that noone will exploit the guildhall hack -or whatever that is- to get ldoa + survivor using tomes then?
Gaile Gray
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can we safely say that noone will exploit the guildhall hack -or whatever that is- to get ldoa + survivor using tomes then?
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Drop of Fear
how can u not love this woman
arcanemacabre
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how can u not love this woman
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Nice job goes to you, Gaile, and the rest of the Guild Wars team. If you believe manitoba, you'd swear GW is riddled with holes. Truth is, it's one of the most solid and secure games on the market. When there is an issue, it's taken care of as soon as the cause is known.
Etta
I have to agree, been playing this game for bloody ages, never got hack, never lost a chars, items, pets, hair. Laugh my butt off and went about my day. Ok I don't really get some of the nerfs, and it's far from perfect, but what is?
Look into arcanemacabre avatar's eyes and you'll see the wisdom of understanding.
Look into arcanemacabre avatar's eyes and you'll see the wisdom of understanding.
Ares Moonlight
Just one thing..
Did anyone even try to just ask the guy how he did it? @first picture.
Did anyone even try to just ask the guy how he did it? @first picture.
immortius
As a software engineer I admire GW's architecture.
lyra_song
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Tell me about it!
Nice job goes to you, Gaile, and the rest of the Guild Wars team. If you believe manitoba, you'd swear GW is riddled with holes. Truth is, it's one of the most solid and secure games on the market. When there is an issue, it's taken care of as soon as the cause is known. |
For example. The GvG scrimmage survivor exploit went unnoticed for a long time, even though some people have pointed it out upon inception.
Manitoba, i understand you want "the truth out", but rightfully so, Anet cannot and should not be giving out details of exploits in fact to protect the game and its players.
The fact that the dupe exploit and this hack have been made public may have increased the speed of its fix, but it doesnt help when it degrades the general view on the game. Its not about maintaining naivity.
Anet had admitted there was a dupe exploit and the exe was hacked for presearing and it has since been fixed.
If you want to address other things, do so discreetly between Anet and yourself, so that such details do not leak out into the general public and does not become used by more people.
arcanemacabre
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As much as i admire and respect the GW team, they do still miss some targets.
For example. The GvG scrimmage survivor exploit went unnoticed for a long time, even though some people have pointed it out upon inception. |
The game is not perfect, but it is pretty darn solid and secure. Just because there were two major problems recently doesn't mean there has been a long, sordid history of hacks as manitoba suggested. There hasn't, and there isn't, period. You can find a multitude of sites claiming hacks and exploits till the cows come home - none of them are legit.
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Bugs are one thing, and GW, like all games, has many of them, no doubt. Flat out hacks and dangerous exploits (dangerous as in can hurt the game like the dupe exploit) are another thing entirely. Getting an easy survivor title does nothing to the game at all. The most important and hurtful things are taken care of pretty much on the spot, as we have seen. That's what I'm talking about.
The game is not perfect, but it is pretty darn solid and secure. Just because there were two major problems recently doesn't mean there has been a long, sordid history of hacks as manitoba suggested. There hasn't, and there isn't, period. You can find a multitude of sites claiming hacks and exploits till the cows come home - none of them are legit. |
I just like to point out the survivor thing cause it was kind of a "Duh!" exploit.
Other annoying exploits get fixed quickly. The older dupe exploit was patched rather quickly and discreetly (lasted less than 2 weeks). The old Thunderclap exploit i think is my favorite example.
Shakti
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
I know exactly who Gaile is. But theres a big problem going on and shes hiding it, and a few here know of it. For those that remember the proggy Requia
Then look at this site http://gw.skryer.com/ on it someone is asking about dupe weapons from 5/17/07 3 MONTHS AGO. Its been going on longer than Anet wants to admit. |
When did the dupes start? I don't know and sorry but unless you were duping neither do you. I trust Gaile on that because they can actually see logs ...but really who cares? It's over now, let's play the game lol. What my post regarding you was about however was not dupes it was your statement about "tons of hacks" and I think Gaile has already taken care of that so I'm gonna go drink my coffee.
BTW Love the bootin' to post thing, that's a brilliant solution xD
flipfly2004
i question:
someone is offering me a 20% dmg vs charr sword pommel
just want to know if its possible to drop in pre or not
someone is offering me a 20% dmg vs charr sword pommel
just want to know if its possible to drop in pre or not