Interrupter Bot Program, is it possible?

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Alex Silverfox
Ascalonian Squire
#1
Recently while I was playing my monk in PvP I had this feeling while a faced some Mesmer interrupters: an external program capable to sense you're using a skill and to interrupt you. I may say I could be paranoid or the mesmers can have a lot of lucky but when I got interrupted repeatedly on skills that cast in 3/4 of a second I start to think something is wrong. First of all because these kind of interrupts stop my skill at 1/3 of its cast costantly. Second because I try to randomize when I start to cast a skill, I tend to avoid sequencies of skills and wait random time between one cast and another or when I stop to run I dont cast suddenly after. But some mesmers get me always, it seems there is no way to avoid to be interrupted if not fake casting and being a monk I cant do that under pressure often. I mean if I've got migraine or wathever to slow me down it could be possible for such fast skills, but how can that be without? I'm talking also with the best interrupter out there (and I dont think I faced them so far): is that possible?
I repeat I'm not talking of a single skill or a bit of luck like a rof interrupted for example, I'm talking of a series of relatively fast skills that get interrupted costantly. Anybody else got this feeling? Anybody knows if such a program could exist?
??Ripskin
??Ripskin
Jungle Guide
#2
It's completely possible, maybe unheard of, but possible.

I've done some mesmering in my time (mainly against monks) and just watch the monks party members health drops, then I usually do interupts that I think 'are at the right time'

Sometimes I've hit spells like purge conditions o.O
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nightemaster
Academy Page
#3
There probably is a possibility that a program like that exists, but it wouledn't be very effective in my opinion, because most memsers vary their interrupts. However, the better mesmers out there will know how to predict when you are going to make a spell cast. Also, interrupting 3/4 second spells isn't very hard considering that a interrupt spell like Psychic distraction is 1/4 casting time and even faster with fast casting.
The reason all your spells may seem like they're interrupting at 1/3 of the cast may be just because of lag.
fgarvin
fgarvin
Jungle Guide
#4
Yes, there is/was a program called Requia that could do just about anything...including interrupt like a champ. For a while, users were even selling their accounts for it on eBay.

And no, I did not use it, but my nephew got the ever so deserved Code=045 for using it.
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Alex Silverfox
Ascalonian Squire
#5
I usually dont lag, I may have a stable connection with not a very low ping. I dont want to create mass hysteria but I'd like to spread this voice to see if others have or will feel the same. I know with fast casting a mesmer can reach in average 1/8 casting time but it's not that it's the human reaction. The advantage is still low if such a program may exist, but it's not like facing a human. I think 1/4 cast time skills are unreachable by that program, so they are missed, instead any other cast may be blocked. A human mesmer I think dont press the skill as soon as he see colors on the screen, he first understands wich skill is and if it's worth to be interrupted.
TheGuildWarsPenguin
TheGuildWarsPenguin
Wilds Pathfinder
#6
I don't think you should worry about interrupt bot programs. Though they do exist, they would be hard to make/acquire.
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placebo overdose
Wilds Pathfinder
#7
ok this is not a joke in AB ive seen two warriors who look the exact same and have the same skills running around killing(with low proficiency) mindlessly is this a bot program or really low player involvement
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Antheus
Forge Runner
#8
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First of all because these kind of interrupts stop my skill at 1/3 of its cast costantly
The interrupt indicator isn't reliable. So saying it's always at 1/3 doesn't mean much.

Interrupter bot is possible. But the real question here is how viable is it.

Mesmer and ranger henchies are interrupt bots. But they lack common sense as to what and when to interrupt, they just spam them.

Interrupt spammer could annoy you in the same way without using a bot. Pack enough interrupts, take care of e-management, and keep on spamming.

Part of the problem here is the latency present in all network games. Since events need to be synchronized on the server, this may make some timings appear a bit off, and make it seem like someone has godly accurate reflexes, when it's actually the server syncing actions.

A trivial interrupt spammer would be quite easy to make. But that one would be exactly as effective as moderately alert player.

Making a strategic and tactically sound interrupter however would require complete knowledge of the team build, as well as keeping track of recharge times, possibly even energy levels of entire opposing team - information which, from player side cannot be obtained, except for a single opponent.

Simply put - it's doable to harass someone. But to have some severe impact on pvp - no.
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Rainywinter
Ascalonian Squire
#9
Interrupter Bots do exists. One of my friends showed me how it works, and now I really want to get a virus into his comp. Basically - those programs work simple. They identify spell casting, which is nothing in ms in compared to human brain, and simply activate the skill. Lag is probably the one and only factor. In anyway, if you randomly casted a 3\4 spell and got interrupted- unfortunately human's reaction time is not good enough - even for the most skillful player - to counter it. 3\4 spell is 750 ms. 1\4 interrupting spell is 250 ms. ping is 100 ms to receive your spell action and another 100 ms to send the interrupting spell back to the server. It means that the interrupter would have to understand you're casting a spell, realize its a spell, send an action to the fingers, click the button - all that will have to happen in 750 ms - 250 ms - 100 ms - 100 ms = 300 ms which is 0.3. The human brain is just not capable of that. Interrupter bots are usually good for up to 2\4 ms spells I suppose since they can do a counter in 200 ms (0.2 sec) + 250 ms interrupt spell (450 ms togther)
Retribution X
Retribution X
Desert Nomad
#10
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Originally Posted by Rainywinter
Interrupter Bots do exists. One of my friends showed me how it works, and now I really want to get a virus into his comp. Basically - those programs work simple. They identify spell casting, which is nothing in ms in compared to human brain, and simply activate the skill. Lag is probably the one and only factor. In anyway, if you randomly casted a 3\4 spell and got interrupted- unfortunately human's reaction time is not good enough - even for the most skillful player - to counter it. 3\4 spell is 750 ms. 1\4 interrupting spell is 250 ms. ping is 100 ms to receive your spell action and another 100 ms to send the interrupting spell back to the server. It means that the interrupter would have to understand you're casting a spell, realize its a spell, send an action to the fingers, click the button - all that will have to happen in 750 ms - 250 ms - 100 ms - 100 ms = 300 ms which is 0.3. The human brain is just not capable of that. Interrupter bots are usually good for up to 2\4 ms spells I suppose since they can do a counter in 200 ms (0.2 sec) + 250 ms interrupt spell (450 ms togther)
unless you have fiber optic cable, which has a 1ms ping. .002 second response time for cast interrupts = WTF?

But pretty good math, except (correct me if I'm wrong), ping is calculated by the time it takes for a packet to be sent to the server, and a reply from the server to return.
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nightemaster
Academy Page
#11
I believe that the game compensates for lag in some way probably by letting you interrupt for a bit longer after the spell has finished casting. (All games with moderately competent programmers have some lag compensation in their netcode). Really, if you look at some of the better interrupters out there (observe), you'll see that they can easily interrupt 3/4 second spells. For example, when i play PD in HA, I almost always interrupt the ele's ward when its a little more than halfway done casting. (1 second cast time) (of course the skill progress bar isn't the most accurate thing out there)

Also, even with fiber optic cable, pings of 1ms are impossible to anet, because of speed of light limitations, router/switch delay and computer delay.
undeadgun
undeadgun
Forge Runner
#12
depends on the mesmer, when i use mesmer such as a PD or PB mesmer, i always see the enemy caster's action, not see the skill proccessing under his name, so when i see him start to cast something(i think u should know that every caster even non caster use a non stance or non shout skill will do their own action), i will hit 1 immeditely, for all the 1 sec cast spell, i can say 95% time, for 3/4, maybe 60-70%. i am not saying there is no such bot program, but there are some mesmers are really really good at interrupt, Leeloof anyone??
HawkofStorms
HawkofStorms
Hall Hero
#13
Eh, even if they exist, they won't be used in true competitive play. Such a program would still not know how to do proper positioning or discriminate with what they interupt.

So no harm in the meta really.
LifeInfusion
LifeInfusion
Grotto Attendant
#14
I laugh at this because if the Heros are any indication, bots cannot distinguish between which skills are actually juicy interrupt targets.

Besides, people that DO bot risk an account ban so they'd be pretty stupid to do so.

If you are pretty predictable on the other hand, it is easy to yomi what skills you will use next.
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nightemaster
Academy Page
#15
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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
I laugh at this because if the Heros are any indication, bots cannot distinguish between which skills are actually juicy interrupt targets.

Besides, people that DO bot risk an account ban so they'd be pretty stupid to do so.

If you are pretty predictable on the other hand, it is easy to yomi what skills you will use next.
Hehe, i'll say the only really good hero interrupter is the ghostly hero. He always tends to dshot the stuff i need like LoD. Also, yeah when I play interupter, you find that most players are predictable, like if they're a spike team, after a spike its likely that they would follow up with a skill of some sort. I've been able to interrupt stuff like spirit bond that way.
MoldyRiceFrenzy
MoldyRiceFrenzy
Wilds Pathfinder
#16
there are some pretty good interruptors out there... they just know exactly how to time stuff or are very good with reflexes...its completely possible
Master Ketsu
Master Ketsu
Desert Nomad
#17
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Originally Posted by Rainywinter
Interrupter Bots do exists. One of my friends showed me how it works, and now I really want to get a virus into his comp. Basically - those programs work simple. They identify spell casting, which is nothing in ms in compared to human brain, and simply activate the skill. Lag is probably the one and only factor. In anyway, if you randomly casted a 3\4 spell and got interrupted- unfortunately human's reaction time is not good enough - even for the most skillful player - to counter it. 3\4 spell is 750 ms. 1\4 interrupting spell is 250 ms. ping is 100 ms to receive your spell action and another 100 ms to send the interrupting spell back to the server. It means that the interrupter would have to understand you're casting a spell, realize its a spell, send an action to the fingers, click the button - all that will have to happen in 750 ms - 250 ms - 100 ms - 100 ms = 300 ms which is 0.3. The human brain is just not capable of that. Interrupter bots are usually good for up to 2\4 ms spells I suppose since they can do a counter in 200 ms (0.2 sec) + 250 ms interrupt spell (450 ms togther)
Ever played in high end ( top 100 ladder ) first person shooter tournaments ?
Their are plenty humans who can, and do, react that fast. Obviously if the lag is horrid they cannot, but with the ping you mentioned its entirely possible.
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Skycluster
Academy Page
#18
I don't know if this is true but..isn't making that skillbar activation thing extra longer help with interupting? I've actually never tried but I've seen some people have long bars in there screenie, does it actually help interupt? Only a suggestion...but 1/3 cast time is pretty whack. Was he using Shame? you could of mistake that for an interupt, i usually bring that in pvp.
Ghost Recon
Ghost Recon
Krytan Explorer
#19
Your paranoid there are loads of tricks out there interupt mesmer use and most monks you can read like a book after you have been interupting him for 30-40 seconds. Play an interupt mesmer for a bit learn how to play it well and you will become a better monk because of it.

Also gamers have some of the quickest reactions in the world. People who have played a lot of FPS make great interupters/infusers.
neoflame
neoflame
Krytan Explorer
#20
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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu
Ever played in high end ( top 100 ladder ) first person shooter tournaments ?
Their are plenty humans who can, and do, react that fast. Obviously if the lag is horrid they cannot, but with the ping you mentioned its entirely possible.
I think average human reaction time is faster than 300ms, never mind good FPS players.