Hello Everyone,
I was away on vacation with my GF for two weeks and then went on another week vacation with some friends after I came back from the states. I live in Canada.
I came on and was just scrimmaging and noticed that some of my builds didn't work as they should. I looked over the notes of some of them and found out that Shadow Prison had been changed. They nerfed it so that you couldn't use it and it's no longer any good. Not only that but not Price of Failure was nerfed while I was away.
I log on and look at all the builds that they 'nerfed' for the betterment of the game. I don't think it's bettering the game.
I think that they are ruining the game for those who don't actually abuse the skill. They completely RUINED SOUL REAPING it's no longer any good. They Nerf so many builds in the name of 'fairness' It's getting out of hand.
Next they will start banning for saying the F word....yesh. When will all this non-sense stop?
Nerf is TOO common
Dark Savior
Alexandra-Sweet
Some people are happy with skill updates, some people are not happy with skill updates.
You belong to the group that are not happy with the recent skill update.
You will just have to learn to live with it and adapt.
You belong to the group that are not happy with the recent skill update.
You will just have to learn to live with it and adapt.
GodofAcid
Welcome to Guild Wars, apparently you've missed about 2 1/2 years. They make changes, some we like, some we don't, most of us learn to accept it and move on. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
(I don't mean that in a rude way either, that's how it works..)
(I don't mean that in a rude way either, that's how it works..)
Bankai
No. There aren't enough nerfs.
Look around you. For the past half year, the only elite assassins have used is Shadow prison. That is not a good sign. It needed the nerf. Price of failure was horrible overpowered. If you had it on you as a warrior, together with the 3 other anti-melee hexes, the only thing you could do was /sit and cry. And don't talk to me about hex removal, most of the time a team has 2 melees or more, and 2 veils and a mass hex removal isn't enough for that. Especially not since everybody else is being hexed up.
Is it really that fun to see 95% of the sins use shadow prison and the exact same build? No. It doesn't make the game more fun. If I monk, and I see shadow prison on me, I just press Generic Prot Skill Nr 1 and look at my party list again. No, I don't find it fun. Not as a monk. Nor as a sin.
The truth is that there is no reason to take another elite if there's shadow prison+black spider strike. And the only thing that makes a fun metagame is diversity and skill to win. A Regular Shadow Prison Build (tm) isn't diverse and requires no skill. It dominated RA and AB. No fun metagame.
Now, remember back to the days where sins had no Shadow prison. Was it that bad? No. Now, add shadow prison to the usable movepool of sins, since it's still usable, just less effective.
That's also something I can really /facepalm about. Whenever a skill is nerfed quite hard, everybody immediately discards it. However, it can still be good enough. For example, just put more in deadly arts. See? You deal less damage, so the build isn't working as awesome as it used to, but it still works. The same goes for a lot of things. People discard skills to easily.
I really enjoy these kinds of nerfs. It creates a metagame where everybody is finding new good builds. I've been experimenting with Way of the Empty palm today, and I really like it. If there's Nerfs, there's also Buffs.
Look around you. For the past half year, the only elite assassins have used is Shadow prison. That is not a good sign. It needed the nerf. Price of failure was horrible overpowered. If you had it on you as a warrior, together with the 3 other anti-melee hexes, the only thing you could do was /sit and cry. And don't talk to me about hex removal, most of the time a team has 2 melees or more, and 2 veils and a mass hex removal isn't enough for that. Especially not since everybody else is being hexed up.
Is it really that fun to see 95% of the sins use shadow prison and the exact same build? No. It doesn't make the game more fun. If I monk, and I see shadow prison on me, I just press Generic Prot Skill Nr 1 and look at my party list again. No, I don't find it fun. Not as a monk. Nor as a sin.
The truth is that there is no reason to take another elite if there's shadow prison+black spider strike. And the only thing that makes a fun metagame is diversity and skill to win. A Regular Shadow Prison Build (tm) isn't diverse and requires no skill. It dominated RA and AB. No fun metagame.
Now, remember back to the days where sins had no Shadow prison. Was it that bad? No. Now, add shadow prison to the usable movepool of sins, since it's still usable, just less effective.
That's also something I can really /facepalm about. Whenever a skill is nerfed quite hard, everybody immediately discards it. However, it can still be good enough. For example, just put more in deadly arts. See? You deal less damage, so the build isn't working as awesome as it used to, but it still works. The same goes for a lot of things. People discard skills to easily.
I really enjoy these kinds of nerfs. It creates a metagame where everybody is finding new good builds. I've been experimenting with Way of the Empty palm today, and I really like it. If there's Nerfs, there's also Buffs.
hyro yamaguchi
Good builds should be nerfed to hell, everyone just uses them because they are overpowered right? Can't have such a thing as skills that do what they are ment to do.
myword
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Originally Posted by Dark Savior
Hello Everyone,
I was away on vacation with my GF for two weeks and then went on another week vacation with some friends after I came back from the states. I live in Canada. I came on and was just scrimmaging and noticed that some of my builds didn't work as they should. I looked over the notes of some of them and found out that Shadow Prison had been changed. They nerfed it so that you couldn't use it and it's no longer any good. Not only that but not Price of Failure was nerfed while I was away. I log on and look at all the builds that they 'nerfed' for the betterment of the game. I don't think it's bettering the game. I think that they are ruining the game for those who don't actually abuse the skill. They completely RUINED SOUL REAPING it's no longer any good. They Nerf so many builds in the name of 'fairness' It's getting out of hand. Next they will start banning for saying the F word....yesh. When will all this non-sense stop? |
Dr Strangelove
Jesus farking Christ, shadow prison was stupidly overpowered, quit whining. There's a reason no other sin build was ever run in any sort of serious PvP. And no, it wasn't just a "good build" you hit 1-2-3-4-5-6 and something would die. Wait 20 seconds. Rinse. Repeat. Wipe hands on pants.
Price of failure still works, you just can't maintain it on 3 people anymore. It's a little less ridiculous now.
As for "nerfs hurting people who didn't abuse the skill", what does that even mean? That you were using it in a subpar build, thus the overpowered build should be permitted to stick around because you use crappy skills? PvPers play to win. If something is more powerful than other skills, you use it. If that build promotes brainless, skilless gameplay, it should be nerfed, 'nuff said.
Price of failure still works, you just can't maintain it on 3 people anymore. It's a little less ridiculous now.
As for "nerfs hurting people who didn't abuse the skill", what does that even mean? That you were using it in a subpar build, thus the overpowered build should be permitted to stick around because you use crappy skills? PvPers play to win. If something is more powerful than other skills, you use it. If that build promotes brainless, skilless gameplay, it should be nerfed, 'nuff said.
hyro yamaguchi
Right...so which solo build, doesn't rely on brainless stuff? Every solo build is just repeatedly doing skills, apart from perhaps monking. It's team play that drags it up from the brainless zone.
0mG RA 1s t3h bRa1nl3ss!!!
Get over it already, these builds aren't played anywhere but in lower end PvP, which is...lower end, who cares about that grindfest anyway?
0mG RA 1s t3h bRa1nl3ss!!!
Get over it already, these builds aren't played anywhere but in lower end PvP, which is...lower end, who cares about that grindfest anyway?
myword
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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi
Right...so which solo build, doesn't rely on brainless stuff? Every solo build is just repeatedly doing skills, apart from perhaps monking. It's team play that drags it up from the brainless zone.
0mG RA 1s t3h bRa1nl3ss!!! Get over it already, these builds aren't played anywhere but in lower end PvP, which is...lower end, who cares about that grindfest anyway? |
Solas
skills change for a reason, jsut change your build.
it your build was the pwnz0rs kill everything with a flick of a thumb then chances were it was pretty imba.
anet dont nerf builds they create new ones
it your build was the pwnz0rs kill everything with a flick of a thumb then chances were it was pretty imba.
anet dont nerf builds they create new ones
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi
Right...so which solo build, doesn't rely on brainless stuff? Every solo build is just repeatedly doing skills, apart from perhaps monking. It's team play that drags it up from the brainless zone.
0mG RA 1s t3h bRa1nl3ss!!! Get over it already, these builds aren't played anywhere but in lower end PvP, which is...lower end, who cares about that grindfest anyway? |
And no, not every build consists of pressing 1-2-3-4-5-6 every 20 seconds. In fact, very few good builds do.
Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
There's a reason no other sin build was ever run in any sort of serious PvP.
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pork soldier
I read this thread and I lol'd.
dargon
LOL, I read your post about nerf and when I reached soul reaping, I just started to laugh. Before you go thinking something sucks, maybe you should try it out first, because the new form of soul reaping works great.
Kissa
Me too, I never run out of energy with soul reaping. Other classes have a lot lot less energy than necros and are able to survive. Get used to e-management!
Young Hero
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Originally Posted by Dark Savior
They Nerf so many builds in the name of 'fairness' It's getting out of hand.
When will all this non-sense stop? |
My best advice is NEVER buy another Anerf/NCsofter product again.
vergerefosh
Things change. I never used Shadow Prison, mainly because I couldn't be bothered to cap it on my PvE sin, or unlock it for PvP. Temple Strike FTW :P (that got buffed a while ago)
Seriously though, things change. So many sins were using Shadow Prison it was ridiculous (Shadow Prison = BoA?)
Some adjustments to skills are required as new skills are introduced, and then these changes have knock on effects
They want more build diversity before EotN
Seriously though, things change. So many sins were using Shadow Prison it was ridiculous (Shadow Prison = BoA?)
Some adjustments to skills are required as new skills are introduced, and then these changes have knock on effects
They want more build diversity before EotN
MithranArkanere
This is Guild Wars, not nap wars.
Skill change so people do not stick to the same builds all the time.
You better get used to it. I just make my builds dinamically, depending on what I think I'm going to find, instead of using the same all over and over.
Skill change so people do not stick to the same builds all the time.
You better get used to it. I just make my builds dinamically, depending on what I think I'm going to find, instead of using the same all over and over.
Onarik Amrak
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Originally Posted by myword
when you cite the shadow prison change and describe it as 'nerfed it so that you couldn't use it and it's no longer any good', your ability to discern whether the skill balances are benefiting the game loses any credibility
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??Ripskin
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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi
Good builds should be nerfed to hell, everyone just uses them because they are overpowered right? Can't have such a thing as skills that do what they are ment to do.
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thor hammerbane
If this nerf affected you greatly, Alarm bells should be going off in your head. I have about 5 very good assasin builds for PvP, all killed the enemy in a matter of seconds; all have different elites, only one has shadow prison. Say anything to you? Learn to make your own builds..just go back to the drawing board, and spend 20 minutes on the isle of balthazar. Good players spends a few min there testing builds instead of just using the most pop build out there.
??Ripskin
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
This is Guild Wars, not nap wars.
Skill change so people do not stick to the same builds all the time. You better get used to it. I just make my builds dinamically, depending on what I think I'm going to find, instead of using the same all over and over. |
Apok Omen
Welcome to Guild Wars.
LuckyGiant
I rather they assess everything every month as they usually do than once a year. Common is a good thing.
Molock
Hey, I am happy! Ele's got buffed and skills like Rodgorts Invocation can be used effectively in PvP now.
VanDamselx
Honestly, the "nerfs" are nice because while everyone may bitch and moan about it at first, it at least changes things up. Shadow Prison was getting ridiculously annoying. People use skills like Shadow Prison because they're very effective. Nerfs make people begin to rethink their builds once more and use some other ridiculously overused skill for some good amount of time.
Engel the Fallen
Recently I heavily invested in the tissue industry because many skills in GWEN do exactly the things that people want nerfed all the time.
I hate when people say something is overused and say it should be nerfed because of that. Or a build becomes popular that is easily counterable, but people would rather have ANET simplify the game, than counter it.
I hate when people say something is overused and say it should be nerfed because of that. Or a build becomes popular that is easily counterable, but people would rather have ANET simplify the game, than counter it.
4ssassin
Just as surely as FoTM builds will change, so will Anet nerf and buff. It's part of the meta game. Live with it.
Shadow
Remember ORIGINAL death magic? Unlimited Minions. Man, that was crazy.
ShadowStorm
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Remember ORIGINAL death magic? Unlimited Minions. Man, that was crazy.
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ZenRgy
Soul reaping still works fine. Price of Failure is still viable. As are assasins, perhaps you should actually understand a class before you play it, and stop QQ'ing whenever something gets nerfed.
You're overreacting. Builds are nerfed because they're broken, or they want to shift the game in a different direction.
You're overreacting. Builds are nerfed because they're broken, or they want to shift the game in a different direction.
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Originally Posted by ShadowStorm
Yes. Those were the days. One of my first characters was a minion Necro. After they nerfed Verata's Sacrifice and placed a minion cap, I stopped playing my Necro. I kept that Necro for a long time hoping that I'd find a build that I found fun for that character, but I never did. I ended up deleting her right after I got her second year mini pet. It's a shame really.
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Shadow
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Originally Posted by ShadowStorm
Yes. Those were the days. One of my first characters was a minion Necro. After they nerfed Verata's Sacrifice and placed a minion cap, I stopped playing my Necro. I kept that Necro for a long time hoping that I'd find a build that I found fun for that character, but I never did. I ended up deleting her right after I got her second year mini pet. It's a shame really.
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I still have my necro. I'd never get rid of her. She was my second character, first being.. another necromancer.
I created the newer one and deleted the old as the old one had gone down the blood magic line and this was during the refund point era so.. yeah. T_T
Destro Maniak
Welcome to guild wars!
To the happy lands of balance, shielding the poor casual players, lovely nerf.
AS the devolopers of the game, A-Nerf we suggest you to play brainlessly but dont gain anything. Do RA-TA-HA play brainlessly BUT IF YOU DARE GAINING FROM IT AS GOLD THAT ONCE DONE BY FARMERS YOU WILL BE NERFED AS OUR COMPANY NAMED AFTER. We are brainless grinders FRIENS AS LONG AS YOU DONT GAIN ANYTHIN
. DARE GAINING FROM A BRAINLESS GRIND AND YOU AND YOUR BUILD OF BUILD WARS WILL BE SMASHED, SQUIZED, AND NERFED.
Dude guild wars isnt the same guild wars when prophs released where we soloed UW with 55hps. The game isnt the choice for people like you and me I quited now play WoW at least it IS FRIENLY WITH PEOPLE DONT GAIN FROM BRAINLESS GRIND AND PEOPLE WHO GAIN FROM BRAINLESS GRIND.
Never ever think wow is bad as it cost monthly fee cause if you buy every expansion of GW it wil cos nearly same AND WHATS BETTER wow constanly gets updated with high instances nearly every week and month.
To the happy lands of balance, shielding the poor casual players, lovely nerf.
AS the devolopers of the game, A-Nerf we suggest you to play brainlessly but dont gain anything. Do RA-TA-HA play brainlessly BUT IF YOU DARE GAINING FROM IT AS GOLD THAT ONCE DONE BY FARMERS YOU WILL BE NERFED AS OUR COMPANY NAMED AFTER. We are brainless grinders FRIENS AS LONG AS YOU DONT GAIN ANYTHIN
. DARE GAINING FROM A BRAINLESS GRIND AND YOU AND YOUR BUILD OF BUILD WARS WILL BE SMASHED, SQUIZED, AND NERFED.Dude guild wars isnt the same guild wars when prophs released where we soloed UW with 55hps. The game isnt the choice for people like you and me I quited now play WoW at least it IS FRIENLY WITH PEOPLE DONT GAIN FROM BRAINLESS GRIND AND PEOPLE WHO GAIN FROM BRAINLESS GRIND.
Never ever think wow is bad as it cost monthly fee cause if you buy every expansion of GW it wil cos nearly same AND WHATS BETTER wow constanly gets updated with high instances nearly every week and month.
??Ripskin
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Remember ORIGINAL death magic? Unlimited Minions. Man, that was crazy.
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Alexandra-Sweet
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Originally Posted by Young Hero
"You Fail" term used on WoW forums frequently, a real game.
Actually Anerf Failed long ago with there socialist mindset. Haven't played this joke of a game forever, but will continue to drop by these turtle slow server forums to voice my displeasure with Anerf and crew. |
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Originally Posted by Destro Maniak
Dude guild wars isnt the same guild wars when prophs released where we soloed UW with 55hps. The game isnt the choice for people like you and me I quited now play WoW at least it IS FRIENLY WITH PEOPLE DONT GAIN FROM BRAINLESS GRIND AND PEOPLE WHO GAIN FROM BRAINLESS GRIND.
Never ever think wow is bad as it cost monthly fee cause if you buy every expansion of GW it wil cos nearly same AND WHATS BETTER wow constanly gets updated with high instances nearly every week and month. |
People chose to play Guild Wars because they like it, some people don't like it anymore because of changes, so whats the point of that? Your not being forced to play, just change to another game.
Engel the Fallen
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Wait, you mean an overpowered build was nerfed and you couldn't stand being balanced for the first time?
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Minion nerf did not mind really personally as we got more powerful ones. Besides, blood of the master and vert spam was so boring. Still play my necro here and there, but he is really boring to play. Useful to have to nail the bosses.
Engel the Fallen
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Originally Posted by spawnofebil
Wait, you mean an overpowered build was nerfed and you couldn't stand being balanced for the first time?
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Minion nerf did not mind really personally as we got more powerful ones. Besides, blood of the master and vert spam was so boring. Still play my necro here and there, but he is really boring to play. Useful to have to nail the bosses.
Nucflash
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Originally Posted by Young Hero
Never! Anerf are the Kings of ruining something good/fun/enjoyable.
My best advice is NEVER buy another Anerf/NCsofter product again. |
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