Ok,well my friend in my guild got banned,for accepting a duped item,that she thought was legit. Well the guy who gave it her,when he gave it to her he left straight away. We suspected he was up to something,but never duping (he was a nice guy).
This is what she left on our forums ;
Kick me from the guild...
took me a couple days to come post this because im literally tore up and cant think or concentrate, you have to kick me from guild because my game is no longer there, they have banned me permantly from GWs, my account is locked because of Chunky. Apparently (I had no idea at all) he was Duping, Yes he is the one all the forums are talking about, well he gave me a present i thought was lagitament, a shield and sword. I didnt know he Duplicated them, When Arenanet found out he was duping 1000s of ectos and 1000s of armbriants, they Banned everyone and anyone that has made a trade with him during X amount of time. well guess who, me, 2+ years down the drain, ive called them, and pleaded w/them but because i had a dupped sword and didnt give him money for it, it wasnt concidered a false sale. they said I knew about it and i was involved. its BS! but im paying now. You wont see much of me on the forums for a bit cuase im so sick over this. I Put in 6000 plus hours into the game, to have it taken away because of a greedy lil Fker i thought was a friend.
So why should she be banned unfairly? I say we petition against the banning of innocent people such as LadyGuinn!
If you would like to help,sign this petition,it wont only help save Lady,but anybody else who is innocent! /Signed knowing that I will help and support Ladyguinn and get her account back.
Free LadyGuinn
Kanadin
4ssassin
/signed, with a word of cation
If it seems to good to be true, it probably is. If it was a tormented shield and sword he gave you, you should have suspected something, or at the least, had some warrior pride and said, no thanks, Ill get my own if I want.
Nonetheless....signed.
If it seems to good to be true, it probably is. If it was a tormented shield and sword he gave you, you should have suspected something, or at the least, had some warrior pride and said, no thanks, Ill get my own if I want.
Nonetheless....signed.
psycore
Anet have every log in existence about every transaction and every convo and interaction that's been had between characters.
At this point it's her word against theirs and they have logs of everything.
If she is truly innocent then good luck with the appeal but when someone shows up with some out of this world gear for free I smell a rat.
Greed is one of the seven deadly sins for good reason.
At this point it's her word against theirs and they have logs of everything.
If she is truly innocent then good luck with the appeal but when someone shows up with some out of this world gear for free I smell a rat.
Greed is one of the seven deadly sins for good reason.
arcanemacabre
What I don't understand is if they know the items that were duped and accepted by another, why don't they just get rid of the items instead of banning the account? I mean, ban the dupers, ban the accounts that received mass amounts of duped items, but those who accepted "duped gifts", just get rid of the items, maybe along with a warning or temp ban.
Kanadin
It wasn't me,it was a guildie,and I know she wouldn't have accepted dupe stuff,since she did alot to get her items. She wasn't a scammer.
baz777
/signed
I’ve sometimes given away decent gold items to strangers so it’s not an uncommon occurrence.
This does seem rather harsh to me to ban people this far down the duping scandal line.
I’ve sometimes given away decent gold items to strangers so it’s not an uncommon occurrence.
This does seem rather harsh to me to ban people this far down the duping scandal line.
Komes I
If this is all true i am singed.
I Myself almost got banned because i saw a man selling an Ambrace for 70k and i didnt really knew that there was such a greed in people to dupe those items. I wasn't visiting forums that much so i was out of any informations about this. But i havent bought that ambrace because i decided i don't like Torrmented Longbow enough.
I Myself almost got banned because i saw a man selling an Ambrace for 70k and i didnt really knew that there was such a greed in people to dupe those items. I wasn't visiting forums that much so i was out of any informations about this. But i havent bought that ambrace because i decided i don't like Torrmented Longbow enough.
Bryant Again
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What I don't understand is if they know the items that were duped and accepted by another, why don't they just get rid of the items instead of banning the account? I mean, ban the dupers, ban the accounts that received mass amounts of duped items, but those who accepted "duped gifts", just get rid of the items, maybe along with a warning or temp ban.
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Sad, too, since it's all vanity items.
Oh almost forgot: /signed
Agent Mold3r
$150 down the drain.....that just sucks dude
They shouldve just perma banned the dupers, and temporary banned those who received the items....i dont understand their logic
/signed
good luck to your freind
They shouldve just perma banned the dupers, and temporary banned those who received the items....i dont understand their logic
/signed
good luck to your freind
Clord
Anet making very bad move or this is propaganda.
However if this all is true (no real proof in thread), then there might be many more who cancel their GW:EN pre-order, because leave GW (even when not banned) because of this or not plan support Anet further, because this banning "madness" happened.
However if this all is true (no real proof in thread), then there might be many more who cancel their GW:EN pre-order, because leave GW (even when not banned) because of this or not plan support Anet further, because this banning "madness" happened.
arcanemacabre
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Maybe that isn't in ANet's power, so they have no better action but to ban-on-sight.
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So, it would give the option of delete said items, or get banned. I think that's fair and quite doable. Of course, the account lock and ban would be lifted if at the end of the week the items are no longer there.
Kashrlyyk
/signed Ban the dupers and temporary ban the rest, if at all.
Agent Mold3r
this banning was the worst descisions ive ever seen in my entire life....
i was thinking whether or not to buy EOTN, but.....after this...no way in hell
i was thinking whether or not to buy EOTN, but.....after this...no way in hell
baz777
Personally I think Anet should soften their stance on this somewhat. By all means clamp down hard on illegal game exploits but concentrate on the main perpetrators.
I feel sorry for those that have got caught up in this and have received bans after, many I suspect, putting so much time into the game.
Also, it’s making many others, thankfully not caught up in this, feel uneasy to say the least.
I feel sorry for those that have got caught up in this and have received bans after, many I suspect, putting so much time into the game.
Also, it’s making many others, thankfully not caught up in this, feel uneasy to say the least.
Ms Utena Tenjou
i do to as well eel bacd for the people who have been banned.. You invest allot in 2 years and when ts gone its like wtf man... same thing happened ot me on my gaiaonline.com account... no more rose duelist.. why cause of some buying my crap... adn he was a bot. I would say ditch the damn bots and the duped items there a hassle anyways and give them back there accounts..
/signed
/signed
Prof Of Black
If this story is true,
totally /signed.
~Prof.
totally /signed.
~Prof.
Kula
Can somebody say, "Oops!" ?
/signed
(if it was indeed a single gift transaction)
/signed
(if it was indeed a single gift transaction)
Tijger
Ok, so this is another assisine thread.
We're supposed to believe someone posting anonymously on the Internet (who doesnt even know the banned person RL, just from a game) because...uh...well...we'll believe anything?
Second, even if you get this /signed 1000 times over it doesnt make any difference, this board has 0 influence on bans. Contact support and/or PM Gaile, they can resolve this.
We're supposed to believe someone posting anonymously on the Internet (who doesnt even know the banned person RL, just from a game) because...uh...well...we'll believe anything?
Second, even if you get this /signed 1000 times over it doesnt make any difference, this board has 0 influence on bans. Contact support and/or PM Gaile, they can resolve this.
Pwny Ride
It is a terrible thing to happen. In all honesty, i dont think A-net care at all, but for the sake of things;
/signed
/signed
Iuris
"Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes", I guess...
TiNkLeR
Totally signed. I would have accepted if someone gave to me a sword and shield.
I once gave 100k to the first who traded me... am i a duper? no. Sometimes i just want one people in the fking game to be happy!
Stop being stupid anet -.-
I once gave 100k to the first who traded me... am i a duper? no. Sometimes i just want one people in the fking game to be happy!
Stop being stupid anet -.-
Executioner
/signed
Really i dont think anyone should be banned for exploiting a game bug or being in the position of not even knowing if you have connection to a person who has exploitied a bug until its found out.
If i was at work and made a mistake and someone uses my mistake to there advantage, i still get the blame end of story, banning for anets development mistake its totally wrong imo, a simple account wipe would be enough, and even then thats overkill in most cases.
I really dont know why anet chooses this path when it comes to bug exploits, Maybe they just dont care about guildwars any more, Once youve payed your money, they own you, banning should be for external software, hacking, malicious software etc..., imagine this im playing css and i know how to exploit a corner of a wall, i hear the other guy on the other side of the wall and unload a full clip through the wall killing the guy, on a good server im not going to get banned for that, but if i turn on my aimbot in css i will.
Its as simple as that, I hope this ladyguinn person gets her account back, 2 years of playing and banned for virtually nothing... shame on you anet...
Really i dont think anyone should be banned for exploiting a game bug or being in the position of not even knowing if you have connection to a person who has exploitied a bug until its found out.
If i was at work and made a mistake and someone uses my mistake to there advantage, i still get the blame end of story, banning for anets development mistake its totally wrong imo, a simple account wipe would be enough, and even then thats overkill in most cases.
I really dont know why anet chooses this path when it comes to bug exploits, Maybe they just dont care about guildwars any more, Once youve payed your money, they own you, banning should be for external software, hacking, malicious software etc..., imagine this im playing css and i know how to exploit a corner of a wall, i hear the other guy on the other side of the wall and unload a full clip through the wall killing the guy, on a good server im not going to get banned for that, but if i turn on my aimbot in css i will.
Its as simple as that, I hope this ladyguinn person gets her account back, 2 years of playing and banned for virtually nothing... shame on you anet...
Braggi
cautiously /signed
There is a thin red line here.
Of course a transaction without return will ring a bell at ANet (ebay...), especially if the item is extremely valuable or rare. But then, people give gifts all the time - "acts of kindness" from a stranger were even a regular feature at the scribe.
Our alliance had an internal art contest once, with valuable prices for the winners. And the more achieved an account is (or a close friend), the more valuable these gifts will become. Hey, I met at least two guys who farmed to give away materials for obsidian armor...
So if I can get perma-banned for accepting items, this will poison every player interaction there is.
There is a thin red line here.
Of course a transaction without return will ring a bell at ANet (ebay...), especially if the item is extremely valuable or rare. But then, people give gifts all the time - "acts of kindness" from a stranger were even a regular feature at the scribe.
Our alliance had an internal art contest once, with valuable prices for the winners. And the more achieved an account is (or a close friend), the more valuable these gifts will become. Hey, I met at least two guys who farmed to give away materials for obsidian armor...
So if I can get perma-banned for accepting items, this will poison every player interaction there is.
Divinus Stella
Anyone notice the pattern? all the people banned are innocent and only got banned because someone ran up to them and handed them an item worth (at the time) 70e.
Somehow i doubt it, i think what is more likely is that she decided to have a go at duping items after reading how it was done.
Less dupers the better, hope the ban sticks.
Somehow i doubt it, i think what is more likely is that she decided to have a go at duping items after reading how it was done.
Less dupers the better, hope the ban sticks.
Kashrlyyk
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Anyone notice the pattern? all the people banned are innocent and only got banned because someone ran up to them and handed them an item worth (at the time) 70e.
Somehow i doubt it, i think what is more likely is that she decided to have a go at duping items after reading how it was done. Less dupers the better, hope the ban sticks. |
Obey The Cat
full agree to divinus stella.
"a shield and sword" tormented shield and tormented sword eh?
"a shield and sword" tormented shield and tormented sword eh?
Anphobia
I wonder if they are tormented weapons or not, would certainly swerve a lot of votes...
So TELL US, what kinda of Weapons they were.
Untill then, I won't sign anything.
So TELL US, what kinda of Weapons they were.
Untill then, I won't sign anything.
Kanadin
They were tormented,but this wasn't a stranger,I never said it was a stranger,this guy told us he farmed all day,and we only ever saw him 3 times in the gh. So how would we know that he was duping,we just thought he was an innocent farmer. She said Chunky,she used his name,that's because she had known him for 2 years and was in her previous guild with him. Then they both came to Divine Clan,and when he gave her the stuff,he left shortly after. He must of known what he was doing,but she accepted it thinking he had been farming all this time just for her. Is that really a bad thing? O.o
sykoone
Someone who has played for over two years should know the approximate value of items offered for trade. If these items were indeed tormented weapons, your friend should have had alarms going off wondering why someone would just give away these expensive items. If it were a prize for an announced contest, or a gift from a guildmate, that would be one thing. But from a total stranger...your friend should have been a little suspicious.
Tijger
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Notice the pattern? There are always people that are happy when someone suffers. And not only that, they seem to have an unbearable need to tell everybody about that.
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The plain fact is that neither you nor me know this person and we dont even know why they are banned and if we knew why and knew this person we still couldnt say for sure they were innocent.
So, no, I dont sign anything (which is ludicrous anyway, like its a democracy of sorts) when someone comes here proclaiming innocence.
If they are innocent then they should the channels available to them.
Cherrie
I agree with Kashrlyyk - there's a thin red line there: between those who really didn't know and those who did.
I must say if someone run up to me and offered me Tormented Shield and Tormented Sword I'm pretty sure I would have accepted it.. and I prolly would also quit GW if my account was blocked after this.
But...
I belive justice needs sacrifices, both irl and ing. Call me whatever you want, I'm hobbesian breed (from Thomas Hobbes, an english philosopher). If she really didn't know, I feel sorry for her. The thing is, I suspect she did.
Why?
First, Tormented Sword and Shield? As a gift? They must have been really good friends if she belived its legit... so good friends she'd probably know what he was doing (judging from his posts on INC, and him offering 1750 Armbraces for a minipet - which actually led to the leak of the bug- he ain't exactly the smartest person who keeps to himself). Otherwise she must have suspected something was fishy (as you said, you all did...) and she didn't feel like reporting that. Either way... I don't 100% belive she didn't know, I'm inclined she did. so /notsigned, sorry.
I must say if someone run up to me and offered me Tormented Shield and Tormented Sword I'm pretty sure I would have accepted it.. and I prolly would also quit GW if my account was blocked after this.
But...
I belive justice needs sacrifices, both irl and ing. Call me whatever you want, I'm hobbesian breed (from Thomas Hobbes, an english philosopher). If she really didn't know, I feel sorry for her. The thing is, I suspect she did.
Why?
First, Tormented Sword and Shield? As a gift? They must have been really good friends if she belived its legit... so good friends she'd probably know what he was doing (judging from his posts on INC, and him offering 1750 Armbraces for a minipet - which actually led to the leak of the bug- he ain't exactly the smartest person who keeps to himself). Otherwise she must have suspected something was fishy (as you said, you all did...) and she didn't feel like reporting that. Either way... I don't 100% belive she didn't know, I'm inclined she did. so /notsigned, sorry.
Shadis
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Anyone notice the pattern? all the people banned are innocent and only got banned because someone ran up to them and handed them an item worth (at the time) 70e.
Somehow i doubt it, i think what is more likely is that she decided to have a go at duping items after reading how it was done. Less dupers the better, hope the ban sticks. |
Yes, I am noticing a pattern. Most of the threads I've followed here and elsewhere with people proclaiming their innocence and that they were falsely banned turned out to be them telling the truth.
I do agree with you about the doubt though, there should always be doubt. If Chunky was a "friend" to this person, then it's not out of line to think that they were involved in the duping as well.
Productivity
I gave away over 100ectos a few weeks ago, for no money. I didn't even discuss it in chat (talking over vent). It's honestly not that unusualy for people within guilds/friendslists to give things away for free. If it is as described (and it certainly seems very possible) - a perma ban seems exceedingly out of line if there is no actual proof of the person duping themselves.
arcanemacabre
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I gave away over 100ectos a few weeks ago, for no money. I didn't even discuss it in chat (talking over vent). It's honestly not that unusualy for people within guilds/friendslists to give things away for free. If it is as described (and it certainly seems very possible) - a perma ban seems exceedingly out of line if there is no actual proof of the person duping themselves.
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There's two different sides in the type of one-sided trade you're talking about here. I know, "whut?", but let me explain. If you are positive that you haven't 'accepted' any duped items, you have nothing to worry about. As long as you know that, being the giver of a one-sided trade will offer up no issues what-so-ever. The only time you have to be wary is when on the receiving end.
So, in summary:
Giving away free stuff = perfectly fine
Getting free stuff = it better be from someone you know you can trust (at least for now)
Coridan
I agree i have given away nice rare weapons to friends and guildies... I don't have much use for in game gold or status symbols but some of my friends do so i often give away weapons. I gave a real good friend of mine a req9 collassal before hard mode...when they were worth a bit. So do i need to worry about giving away free things.
I often act as the guild banker as well since i don't spend money peeps will give me 50-100k at a time to save for them if they are having a hard time saving it up for a certain item or armor set...so does this mean i am likely to get banned?
Signed if this is true.
I often act as the guild banker as well since i don't spend money peeps will give me 50-100k at a time to save for them if they are having a hard time saving it up for a certain item or armor set...so does this mean i am likely to get banned?
Signed if this is true.
aznkda
/signed
sorry to hear that this happened.
sorry to hear that this happened.
kade
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/notsigned though, Anet knows what they're doing.
Kanadin
Ok sorry,but people are still posting FROM A STRANGER. I JUST TOLD YOU IT WERN'T FROM A STRANGER! >.< Thank you to everybody who has signed.
And ffs,it isn't ME so why are you all saying you you you. It was her So-called friend who gave her the stuff,not a stranger.
And ffs,it isn't ME so why are you all saying you you you. It was her So-called friend who gave her the stuff,not a stranger.
Pkest
If someone accepted a stack of armbraces or something like that it seems completely different from accepting one or two items. Especially since Anet had assured everyone that duping was impossible. I can't see how they can punish someone for accepting the odd item or two from a duper under this condition.
Hell, I've given out free exp scrolls to a random survivor candidate on occasion. Should they have refused the gift because there might be some new duping exploit?
/signed (not sure what good it will do however.)
Hell, I've given out free exp scrolls to a random survivor candidate on occasion. Should they have refused the gift because there might be some new duping exploit?
/signed (not sure what good it will do however.)
The Herbalizer
Chunky claimed he was innocent? Was he? No
Chunky's guild friends claimed they were innocent along with Chunky? Was Chunky innocent? No. Is there a good chance his guild friends are not innocent? Yes.
Anet have access to chat logs so can tell if you knew they were duped or not. They could tell if you were sceptical etc.
We dont know the facts. So I will not sign this.
Keep pestering Anet. If you are innocent they will unban you.
/NOT SIGNED
Chunky's guild friends claimed they were innocent along with Chunky? Was Chunky innocent? No. Is there a good chance his guild friends are not innocent? Yes.
Anet have access to chat logs so can tell if you knew they were duped or not. They could tell if you were sceptical etc.
We dont know the facts. So I will not sign this.
Keep pestering Anet. If you are innocent they will unban you.
/NOT SIGNED