World of Warcraft vs Guild Wars

Agreed ypun GW2 comment completely once again if you love WoW so much Fell free to post on their forums though i understand the point of tis thread some popel try to convert from GW to WoW and viseversa just give clear answer and dont argue some people try to read what it sas withopout war of the games here whos better and whos not

What I meant is a few of the points you made were exaggerated, and false. If you'd want more information, then I can give it to you in a PM. I don't wanna start anotha flamin'.

Well first, you said it takes just a couple hours to max level a toon in GW, now you're saying it takes over two weeks? And secondly, that's an entirely different matter.

Ah. Then in that sense, you're wrong: There are battlegrounds where you can take your PvE and PvP characters to. Aside from that, how is the PvP element being removed?

Anyways I'm done causing trouble with this matter. Carry on folks.

Honestly, I think I've hit that wall in the game where you have naught but titles to work on. My main char has all three campaigns done. I have the different style characters covered:caster(mes,necro,ele)ranged dmg(ranger,para) and melee(war,sin). I have enough decent drops to outfit my chars and heros with max weapons. When I get Prepared Shot, the Ranger will have every elite worth having(and a few that aren't!).

And I've been playing the game for 6 months.

I'm nowhere near the "1337 h4++0r 5ki11z" player of the game, but I already have 8 character slots filled, 6 with lvl20s and one monk for storage. I still enjoy parts of the game(pvp, guildies, etc.), but I also see more and more the limitations.

WoW dedicated itself to one thing. They are a real-time MMORPG. As said here ad-infinitum, this is an instanced game. I made a complaint earlier here about why people were on a GW forum giving props to WoW. I think it's the fact that most of these people who are objective are the same who have played the game since beta, and have seen where the game has gone. I can see that they, at least, are objective in their view, instead of being the flaming "GW r0++072, go home n008" types.

I think GW2 shows the limitations of GW, which is the instanced played. It's basically an RPG with chat. You will have the same skills, you will fight the same monsters, and you will reach a ceiling. Fast! From what I can tell of WoW, unless you grind and grind, it takes a while to reach the max level, and when the amount of people reaching that level hits a critical mass, Blizzard raises it. in GW, as we all know, the real game doesn't start till you hit lvl20. In WoW, max lvl and elite items seem to have more weight, and more meaning. If I see this after 6 months of play, imagine those playing the game for 2 years. I'd be a farmer or title grinder, too. It's either that or quit the game.

They do have some things right. PvP is well set up, with different levels and a learning curve that, if you respect it, is easy to get. The many skills allows for adjustments to encourage players to seek a miriad number of builds(though it seems at the time the devs are nothing but monkies and firestarters). The graphics, both characters and scenery, are well-thought out and gorgeous.

GWEN will probably keep me till GW2, if Age of Conan doesn't steal me away.(Crush your enemies! See them driven before you! Hear the lamentations of the women!) But I can see the attractions of WoW, and if the characters weren't so silly-looking to me, I could see myself getting immersed in the game. And lately....they are looking less silly-looking....

Hey look! Bio Shock coming out this Friday! Will it be better than System Shock 2?

Don't get me wrong, it's gonna be good.

But not THAT good.

You know... I'm still hung up on the whole monthly fee thing personally with WoW (and others). If you think about it... when you buy WoW you're paying what, fifty dollars for the software to load and the trial period. Effectively, the 'free trial' is really a fifty dollar two week (or whatever the length) stint. If you subscribe right away, that fifty dollar trial period is simply money spent and lost and now you're paying fifteen a month to play on top of the initial investment. That doesn't sit right with me at all... it's basically, imo, a thinly veiled means of screwing the customer. It would be much less distasteful if Blizzard (that's right, yes?) gave the software for free and then charged the monthly fee. But to pay fifty dollars for something you can use two weeks only, then require you to pay an additional fifteen a month to be able to keep using your fifty dollar investment... ugh.

I know someone is formulating the old 'if you add up the costs of chapters in GW it's the same' argument... no, it's not. WoWs monthly fee does not bring you new content. Each fifty spent on GW provides a whole new world of content. People with the three chapters effectively have three games linked together, not one game acting as a money sink.

You know... if the WoW software was free, or even $9.99, I'd be tempted to see what the fuss is about using the trial period. Who knows... that could be enough to hook new customers.

Of course... with Eye of the North coming, no other games have a chance for quite some time.

MSecorsky, I wouldn't say it's fair that you're "paying to play the game". You already *bought* the game. What you're paying for montly is GMs, monthly content, paying for the servers (which is expensive), lots of stuff. It's not that "the game's so awesome you need to pay for it".

Oh and BioShock will be better than you expect it to be i sepoose you played Demo on a hude HDTV right?

back to GW I agre witht the Blizzard charging 50 but yet again lets slide of the prices and comments why this is better than that even though we have right to talk here about it this thread is simply about how GW is good cons and pros it was bad idea strating it with GW vs WoW but instead should have been pROS AND coNS OF GW so that way we wouldnt be arguing wats better and wats not. So Blizzard Lover chill abit just incase and focus on your GW exoperience and not WoW round here k? thanks

Whoa? I really hope that wasn't directed towards me...

Well no not really it was said in general But as you are the most suportive around here i gues you can take it that way JK no it was for all Blizz Loves
Always trieng to get out of the situation in any way well to counter your server thing
I belive GW Has servers as well so why aernt we pain for em Game moderators i believe there are in GW arent there hmm? We get new content for free examples Sorrows Furnace and other places FREE map changes.
Hmm Yeah i believe that counters yours

Guild Wars doesn't have persistant servers. Or GMs. And how often do we get content like Sorrow's Furnace? Oh and your previous post told me what I can and cannot talk about - not cool.

how often does Blizzard give Non-Raid content like Dire Maul ?

I never sad you cant i suggested what you should be talking about on the thread thast asks not to praise either game but explain cons and Advantages of both separetly and not connecting them in any way say cons of GW

Then say cons WoW same this Advantages not linking to games which as you cna see led to a number of WoW is better or no GW is better posts.

Is raiding bad???

Isn't that what I'm doing? I've never said "WoW is more superior to GW because of X" or "Guild Wars sucks because it doesn't have X". I've merely been pointing out, informing people, etc. about the game. I've never blantantly said "WoW is deh winnar!"

On the contrary... if you buy the game you cannot play it without shelling out the additional $15.00 per month. Whatever that money goes to is irrelevant... you have to pay fifteen a month to play a game you paid fifty dollars for. That's the part that doesn't sit right. Reduce the box to $9.99 or less and you have a business model that makes more sense from a customer perspective.

Skill chnages tournaments festivals weekend events inside peeks for upcoming Gwen its all free except GWEN part I believe Wepaon additions
and no cost i dont have to pay a penny for it while evn for thiose raids you gotta pay 15 a month to enjoy once gain its not bad game im not prasin GW but to counter your posts i gotta write some things as well and Servers yes hm not persistent umm hmm players are still on them right? RIGHT persistent or not Pleayer occupy server which WE dont pay for while you pay for them

raiding isnt bad altho I dont care for it

did 5 years of raiding daily in Everquest

did Kara (in Wow) til I was Honored and bored with it
-- didnt bother with WoW 25mans, no thanks

its no joke that Wow is really only a raid game

theres been only 1 non-raid freebie in over 2 years and that was Dire Maul back in January 2005

This thread wasn't about the pros and cons of GW, it was about the OP trying to decide whether he/she should start playing one or the other. If you don't like the discussion, start your own GW Pros and Cons thread and leave this one alone. No reason to start flaming.

Back on topic - I like both games alot. I started on GW 2 years ago and a few months ago started with WoW because that is where alot of my friends are now. I think the OP needs to try it out for themself using trial keys and go from there. I love the open feel of WoW but also love the skill interaction and pace of GW battles. Both games are different so only the individual will be able to decide which they prefer. No one here can make that decision for them.

I don't remember who it was that said you need to spend $50 to give WoW a try, they are wrong. I purchased a trial disk from Best Buy for $2. If you really want to give WoW a try, I suggest doing that, then you can buy the full version if you like it from there.

That part doesn't make sense. GW has about just as much grinding nowdays. The only difference that I see is the level curve depending on the chapter.

its even easier than that

can dload the trial for FREE from Fileplanet
http://www.fileplanet.com/promotions...ow_nonreg.aspx

True True i suggest you read ALL the posts from page 1 and than judge whos flaming or not youl se the reason i posted what i did

I guess it's different strokes for different folks, then. I've personally never seen this viewpoint before, and nor have I heard of anyone thinking that they got screwed over by Blizz. For me, I'm not terribly bothered by it because I'm able to afford to play for 50 cents a day, but not everyone is able to, so I can understand.

We got one guy doin' them skill changes, and skill changes aren't really "free content", it's pretty much essential if you want a functional, fun and fair game.

Aside from that, I agree with the rest of what you said: I am thankful for what we're getting. But I was referring to content that is similar to Sorrow's Furnace, i.e. more dungeons, missions, etc. I would say that we got DoA, but that is pretty debateable...

Do you know what I mean by persistant servers? I'm talking about the non-instanced, explorable, run-into-people persistant servers. WoW has a lot of them, and they're not too cheap. That's a big reason there's a monthly fee. Guild Wars does *not* have instanced servers. You can only run into people in outposts. I would include that you meet people in PvP matches, but those usually turn nasty these days...

Removed PvP completely? Ever heard of battlegrounds?

WoW has quite a large PvP community as well, so I'm not entirely sure how it's a "raid only game". Also note that raiding is much more casual than it was way back then.

Umm Duh i know you think i play only GW yet another misconseption easy to see but in any case yes i know what Persistent and not instanced worl mean its really bad to judge some 1 if you are nmot shure but yet You still payeng for it while we dont might be persistant part yes But than again WoW is Persistant game and you pay for Persistant servers ami correct

Gw is instanced game while we dont pay for isntanced serevers ami i correct here?

Persistant-Persistant servers=pay money(I never sad WoW was a Bad game ither last time i chekced and not worth payeng for i dnt believe i sad that)

Instanced-Instanced World=No payen money

But honestly point of arguing eh

I thought we did have GMs. not the same kind as WoW, but there ARE people checking things realtime, in-game. Actually during some test events the GMs were pointed out with special tags. I'm pretty sure there are GW GMs..

I don't know that persistent servers matter. If you read the PCG article you'd know that ANET realized that persistent servers were no harder than instanced. That was one of the major reasons for taking GW2 over to persistent (and still remain subscription free). I honestly don't think that makes a difference.

SF content? well.. I dunno.. how often do ANY MMOs include large scale additional content for free. Most of the time it's core elements that they release over time. GW hasn't added places that large more than once.. they expanded Pre-searing, added features, cleaned up & streamlined things.. dunno.. additions are usually sold as expansions for any game.. GW is pretty good about what they give you in each episode. I don't know that MMO's give you the same amount of content you got in the beginning for each expansion.

There are GW GMs.
There are just now near as many as in other games.

Anyhoo, I hope there aren't people here who think there can be only 1 online RPG to play and that the rest suck. Unless that person is adamant that they'll never get bored with a game and never wish to have variety in alternatives.
I'm a fan of decent alternatives. I have enjoyed playing WoW, GW and EQ2 and if WoW and EQ2 were non-subscription games, or if there were more decent non-subscription games like GW I would be a happy camper.
I do not want there to be one game to rule them all, one type of music, one type of sport. I do not want video games, music and sports to adhere to a business model that requires being married to them. The entertainment industry would be a sad place then. Monopolies suck.

Thank you and i believe this person supports my point right ehh anyhow thnak for posting in support

in WoWs defense, they do add new content
(even tho its mostly limited to raid content)


other games also add content, like Turbines LOTR and DDO

Guild Wars adds free content too. It's nowhere near the level that as the games you mentioned. Everquest 2 adds lots of free content as well.
But technically it's not free.
Senior Producer of EQ2 revealed that subscription fees pay for new content. The cost of maintaining servers is nowhere near the amount subscribing are lead to believe. They literally make money hand over fist from subscriptions.

Aw yeah that's right, we *do* have the GMs that ban the people in the local chats. I just wish we had people that banned the people saying things that are racist, sexist, discrimanatory and just plain rude.

I also need to school myself about persistant servers too, it seems.

Yes you're correct. This is where the argument ends. You prefer instanced gameplay, I prefer persistant gameplay. You prefer to not pay for content, I do not mind to pay for content.

Not to mention that we had the *#%$ing awesome Level 70 Elite Tauren Chieften play for us in-game on a very special update. Hells yes!

You're deliberately ignoring the point it seems. It isn't about the 50 cents per day. It's about the fact that you have to pay fifty dollars for the privilege of spending 50 cents per day to play. If you don't pay the monthly fee, your fifty dollars is useless. You CANNOT play (excluding trial period, which is part of your fifty dollars). Afford ability is irrelevant. This is principles. It's like paying for a new car then paying the dealership every month to be able to drive it, or buying a sub at Subway then having to put 50 cents in a can every time you want to take a bite.

So Bryant do you want every game but WoW to drop off the map? lol

Ouch, is it really coming off like that : (?

No I'm not. I understand what you're saying: it's stupid that you have to continue to pay for a game that you already paid for, and that you cannot play it without paying monthly for it. It's less the fact that I'm ignoring your point and, very honestly, more the fact that I'm not bothered by it. I like the game, and I like where my money is going, and I like to pay for additional content. I'm willing to support Blizzard as such, just as much as I'm willing to support Guild Wars.

No! It's just me. I just thought for a second that you wished everyone played WoW instead of GW.
I know you prefer WoW, and I'm sure you wish both WoW and GW success, even if you stop playing GW.
I just wish there were more players willing to support the decent alternatives out there to WoW.
I don't want everyone to feel they have only 1 game to choose from that is fun.

I think the *only* thing that I'm really disappointed with in Guild Wars right now is the fact that I have to buy two keys for GW:EN - one for the online store and BMP, and one for the box. At least I can give the girlfriend one.

And in no way am I done with Guild Wars, lol.

Hear hear.

And OMGZ I talked to you in Int. AC once! Omg I didn't know it was you! I'm sorry!!!

Well hell, there goes the wind out of any argument I had.

But why are we talking about WoW when Eye of the North debuts in a little more than two days!

I'm wondering if the response to the BMP would be different if it came free with the boxed version.
In Everquest 2, when people bought the Kingdom of the Sky expansion pack (boxed edition) they got a free houseplant that made potions when you fed it.
The plant wasn't available to players who bought the expansion in the online store.
There was very little backlash to that decision compared to what I've seen on the forums here at guru and gwonline concerning how the BMP was offered!
Makes me wonder if the BMP would have been so criticized if it were done the opposite way, being available only in the boxed edition. But then I guess the point was to boost revenue by cutting out the middleman for most of their EotN sales.

BTW, I thought you knew it was me from in-game. I have my character name in my forum thingamaboo. I notice you put wtfpwning in yours. lol

Having just recently quit WoW to come back to GW i can tell you that WoW is a grind fest. I'm sorry if you can't accept otherwise.

If you do PvE in WoW, you need to grind rep for all the different factions, and there's a lot. You could also raid, which requires a good 3-4 hour minimum commitment when doing so, costs a ton of money if youre with a new guild or starting a new section of a raid. Most PvE in wow requires nothing more then a pulse and a finger to press a button repeatedly. (Yeah, i'm exagerrating...)

The PvP in WoW is instanced, much like guild wars, but with worse players and worse class balance. You can play on a PvP server, that's kind of fun, except most of the time you're just going to be ganked unmercifully by someone of way higher levels. Battlegrounds are variations of CTF. Big deal. The arena was a cool idea, but due to class imbalances you really won't get far if you're not a specific class.

WoW is all about gear too, and you sure as hell wont be wearing any good gear if you don't commit months and months of arena/battlegrounds or raiding.

Personally (THIS IS MY OPINION NOW), I like guild wars a lot better. Guild wars requires a lot of skill and rewards experimentation. I actually have to pay attention when I'm playing.

Some people like repetition, they like that WoW offers a repetitive game where you do one thing or another that isn't all that difficult to do. That's why the game has massive appeal and has attracted all kinds of new gamers, because it's so easy.

I'll stick with guild wars and if it turns out to not be fun, then I'll find something else. But I don't see myself quitting GW anytime soon. . .

I think the reason that are people were/are much more upset about the BMP thing is because it's not just a little knick-knack feature or cool pet, it's missions: Missions that are very crucial to Guild Wars lore. Most importantly, it's content. It's not just a special dance move or weapon that you can do without, it's more gameplay.

lol doh, I shouldn't have said anythin' then < . < The "Bruma, wtfpwning" in my sig is from when Garleth recommended I get the "Blade of WTFPWNING!" Oblivion mod. I'm insanely addicted to it .