Suddenly i don't feel like a hero anymore

Shaq_gw

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Lowlands Strike Force

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Operative 14
I don't really feel bad about abandoning Ascalon becuase what we did as heros was the most logical course of action given the circumstances. Honestly, how many of you looked at the missions and quests in Ascalon and thought "Yeah, I think this is a war Ascalon can win." That is exactly the point i tried to make that many ppl seem to miss in this thread.

We left ascalon because we thought the war was lost.

WE WERE WRONG.

The ones we left are still out there fighting and dying, and now we come back the hero's that we are, but like i said before when we left we did not know we would become hero's, we were running away from danger.

The fact that we saved the world a few times makes it easier to go back and say .... hi, we're back

However how much of the mayhem that was bestowed on the world was our own doing?

Man i am getting totally confuzzled

My Sweet Revenga

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaq_gw
Reading in the manual for GW:EN that King Adelbern is still, but barely, holding out against the charr invasion i feel like i deserted them and that Rurik was not a great leader but a pessimistic fool

How do we face the families that have lost their loved ones while we were running away from the threat, cowards that we were.

Ok we ran into new threats and we beat them, making entire continents think we are hero's but ........ we should know better. Well, as Ascalonian heroes we set out to help defeat Lich, Shiro, Abaddon.... and made plenty of high levelled allies along the way. Guess what, it's time to collect. It's time for ascalonians to come home with the entire Krytan, Canthan, Kuzick, Luxon, Istan, Kournan, and Vabbian armies and mop the floor with charr blood.

And for crying out loud we have 1000+ minutes of favor with the gods!!!! How can we possibly lose to a bunch of furry chewbacca wannabes....

Hobbs

Hobbs

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Organised Spam [OS]

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Perhaps, we were little more than civilians when we were in Ascalon, we'd had some training but it was kinda disrupted as we were quickly thrown into a warzone after joining the Academy. Then maybe we were roused by Rurik's words in Nolani about a weak king and following him to a new life in Kryta. Though it turned out getting to Kryta was harder than expected and we had to take up arms against the Stone Summit and White Mantle. Shakespeare once said "Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, some achieve greatness, and others have greatness thrust upon them." Perhaps we fell into the last group and we weren't "heroes" when we left Ascalon but the hardships and challenges we met on the road to Kryta shaped us into the heroes we became.

I'm quite enjoying this discussion, nice to look back and speculate on how our characters lives could have been.

Taki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

N/Me

It's been over two years but if memory serves me right, weren't you part of Ruriks royal guard or w/e by the time he was banished? You then fought with him and led the refugees that wanted to leave the assault behind, slaughtering charr every other step. Surely all the charr you killed on our journey must have helped out Ascalon a bit, not to mention the lives you must have saved.

Alas, Rurik pulled a G-Dub and got himself wiped out by a midget. But you, as his loyal forces or w/e, carried out the mission like any soldier worth his salt would do. Only to get caught up in the Kryta/Mantle/Shinging blade mess so that the Ascalon refugees can have some civil living conditions. This same mess eventually leads you into the crystal desert where you seek the knowledge and power to stop being a noob and save the same people who helped you out earlier, oh, and to put those murdering white mantle bastards to rest too. After all, Ascalon refugees could make good 'Chosen' as well.

Which leads us to...

Mursaat behind the mantle, making them kill innocents so we take them out.
Oops, Musaat really just wanted to stop titan release so we kill titans.
Story takes an intermission and GW: Factions is released.
You, in your newfound Hero status, save Cantha.
Nightfall cometh.
Doing what Heroes do best, you save Elona/The World.

Now, back to business. With no more innocent 'Chosen' being murdered, no titans running around destroying everything and everyone, our fellow Ascalonians can live in relative peace in Kryta and we get to go back to Ascalon to drive those hairy, stinkin', dirty charr out of the city for good.

Queue Hero music.

Shaq_gw

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Lowlands Strike Force

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga
Well, as Ascalonian heroes we set out to help defeat Lich, Shiro, Abaddon.... and made plenty of high levelled allies along the way. Guess what, it's time to collect. It's time for ascalonians to come home with the entire Krytan, Canthan, Kuzick, Luxon, Istan, Kournan, and Vabbian armies and mop the floor with charr blood.

And for crying out loud we have 1000+ minutes of favor with the gods!!!! How can we possibly lose to a bunch of furry chewbacca wannabes.... You certainly throw a mean pep-talk.

This should help recover morale for yet another big fight

Takeko Nakano

Takeko Nakano

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Great Britain

W/P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaq_gw
Reading in the manual for GW:EN that King Adelbern is still, but barely, holding out against the charr invasion i feel like i deserted them and that Rurik was not a great leader but a pessimistic fool

How do we face the families that have lost their loved ones while we were running away from the threat, cowards that we were.

Ok we ran into new threats and we beat them, making entire continents think we are hero's but ........ we should know better. Very thoughtful. I know that I had fun vanquishing the Lich, but a part of me wanted to stay behind and give the charr invaders a good kicking! It felt so unfair that I had to move on and not protect Ascalon!!

In comparison going through Tyria seemed an easy feat. I wanted to be on the front lines keeping back the horde! Still hopefully GW:EN will give us a little compensation by being able to go behind the charr lines.

Omega X

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Operative 14
I believe that the deal was that he was a good person originally, and was trying to save Orr. But the spell that he used to defeat the Charr army bearing down on him was so powerful it corrupted him, making him power hungry and evil. And it also destroyed Orr which was bad. IT was my understanding that Vizier was manipulated just like Shiro was to do the wrong thing. However I think that when the deed was done, Abaddon turned him into the Lich after he died along with the rest of Orr.

Wings of Fury

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

Hero's ? Lmao, where a deathsquad on the move vanquishing everything thats red lol where a bunch of killingmachine's and you can hire us for free.Just point us in the right direction and we murder and loot the place

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

The titan quests lead you to come back to Ascalon, maybe its a link?

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

Sheesh, Rurik only has 15% DP from the one death, I don't get what his problem was anyway.

Gregslot

Gregslot

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Me/

Well what i like about this game is that both sides "good" and "evil" have their reasons to do what they did/are doing.
We all know our side, now lets take a look at the other side of the wall.

Chapter 1:
Ascalon used to be the Charr's home, we got there, killed most of them and kicked them from there and now they fight a battle to get their lands back, wich would be just normal.
Shiverpeaks was breaking apart in a civil war and we decided to help one side just beacause we liked them.
The mursaat were trying to find the responsables for the future opening of the door of Komale, wich would lead to their eventual destruction and the same goes for the whole world, we got there, killed them all and opened the damn door. When we saw what we done we went like "holy shit! we are the bad guys!" and we tryed to fix it becasuse we obviously screwed things up. And by the way, the lich used us because we were te only ones who could deafeat the mursaat

Chapter 2:
Ok, i have to admit that Shiro overeacted. But at the end all he was trying to get his revange, but killing a lot of people was very selfish of his part. At his point of view, the emperor himself betrayed Shiro, so he wanted to kill the emperor and get back. Its a shame Abbadon used him u.u
Urgoz got very andry becasue the humans screwed up his forest and we killed him and his followers.
Kanaxai was a half-god demon, he is the only true evil in all Guild Wars, good thing we put him back to sleep for good

Chapter 3:
This one is kind of sad, specially for the margonites.
From what i know, the margonites used to live at the Crystal Desert and worshiped Abbadon, because it was their god and all. But one day Abbadon started to think differently from the other gods and they had a 5 on 1 struggle . Well, we all know he didnt stood a chance against them all. They opened a hole in the ground, shoved Abbadon in it and the margonites along with him.
I dont know about you, but i wouldnt want to go to the Realm of Torment just because the other gods didint liked ours... i mean... wtf?
Obviously Abbadon didnt liked the idea either. The margonites wanted and tryed to get back to their home, and then what happened? We killed most of them, we DESTROYED their gods and put another one WE wanted. Not beeing enough, we went to their "new" home and killed them all and everyone that our new god didint liked, including Dhuum's followers that also didint wanted to be there.
Now take a look at the big picture! Holy shit! We are BAD!

Dhuum:
Dhuum was the old god of death! Grenth came to him and said "I dont like you, i will kill you and take your place" Dhuum said "Bring it on niggaz!"
Well, Grenth killed Dhuum and shoved all his followers at the Real of Torment, just like they did with the margonites.


There isnt a right side at this, there is OUR side and THEIR side!

ShadowbaneX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes of the Horn

A/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaq_gw
That is exactly the point i tried to make that many ppl seem to miss in this thread.

We left ascalon because we thought the war was lost.

WE WERE WRONG.

The ones we left are still out there fighting and dying, and now we come back the hero's that we are, but like i said before when we left we did not know we would become hero's, we were running away from danger.

The fact that we saved the world a few times makes it easier to go back and say .... hi, we're back

However how much of the mayhem that was bestowed on the world was our own doing?

Man i am getting totally confuzzled Actually, we weren't wrong. Flameseeker Prophecies and all that. We were destined to leave Ascalon and in doing so, lead to it's ultimate salvation. We kicked the Lich's ass, we kicked the Titans asses and in doing so gave some freedom from the Charr and their Shamans. If we had just stayed behind, they would have eventually overwhelmed Ascalon killing everyone. It's only by leaving that Ascalon managed to survive.

geriand

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

A Guild Better than Yours

Me/N

hmm I see your points and agree with most of them.
However think the Flameseeker Prophecies are a Prophecy. We couldn't change anything that happened in them. They fortold that the Chosen would destroy the mursatt. On the point about the Krytan Chosen, of course they sucked they hadn't recieved any training had they! The Mursatt acted to save their race by sacrificing the chosen. Not only did it remove the threat but it held their greatest enemy back, the Titans. The Lich read these prophecies and saw that he needed the chosen to realease the titans. He doesn't give a damn about the mursatt he just wanted an army. He however probabaly skimmed over them and didn't see the prediction that once these titans had been released that the chosen who aided the poweful lord would turn against him. It wasn't us who chose to leave Ascalon. It was decided by destiny thousands of years ago when Glint forsaw these events. Everything we did in the prophecies campaign was forsaw by Glint and all she did was nudge us along a bit

ChaoticCoyote

ChaoticCoyote

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Florida, USA

Imperial Order of the Iguana [IGGY]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaq_gw
Reading in the manual for GW:EN that King Adelbern is still, but barely, holding out against the charr invasion i feel like i deserted them and that Rurik was not a great leader but a pessimistic fool

How do we face the families that have lost their loved ones while we were running away from the threat, cowards that we were.

Ok we ran into new threats and we beat them, making entire continents think we are hero's but ........ we should know better. Those of us who did the Titan quests certainly did not abandon Ascalon. When the King called, we went and fought the Titans at his side.

And I certainly know my Ascalonian necro still defends the homelands, even if she did travel far and wide to end a greater evil.

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

Rurik was always a fool. He was only ever useful back in presearing...

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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That's why we had to go with him.
To babysit.

Otherwise he and the other poor ascalon refugees would be dead meant and giant beast feed.

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

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it was forseen by glint that heros would save the world in the flameseeker prophicies,

hence it was destined to be that way so the humans win by default, since glint forsaw it. so we could not have done it any other way, (again destined to do so by the prophecy)

Darish

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Ryu Ryu[Life]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Talach_Ninneed
it was forseen by glint that heros would save the world in the flameseeker prophicies,

hence it was destined to be that way so the humans win by default, since glint forsaw it. so we could not have done it any other way, (again destined to do so by the prophecy) But this raises the issue of whether the prophecies had too come true. Are they destined to come true, or do we do as they say because we think they have to come true? If it's the second case, then the prophecies aren't a garuanteed outcome, we just think they are.

placebo overdose

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

N/

the game said im a hero so im a hero and im not gonna listen LALALALA(this is a joke i respect your opinion and agree you have a very valid point)

HKSdivision

HKSdivision

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Etta
You have to look at the bigger picture. It's not about making thing right, its about making the right thing. Save the mesmer, save Tyria. hahaha! Yes! Save the Memser, save Tyria!

Sorry I just had to say that

Drake Demonborn

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2007

Everlastining Sacred Path

R/Mo

Here's one thing people are overlooking about the end of Nolani. Rurik was banished and the king then asked us to go with him and make sure he was safe. Also all the Lich would have had to do is gather an undead army large enough to distract the Mursaat at the ring of fire long enough for him to sneak in and open the door of Komalie himself.

Performance Pudding

Performance Pudding

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

post ascalon

Over The [Wall]

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all i can say is i cant wait to help the ebon vanguard pwn massive amounts of charr

Shadis

Shadis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

One could argue that our actions have saved Ascalon and allowed Adelbern to hold out as long as he has. Exposing the Titan "Gods" as frauds has split Charr society, they aren't the unified dominating force they were in the beginning because of our actions.

Sophitia Leafblade

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaq_gw
Saying that adelbern was weak and tired of fighting the charr is proven wrong by the fact he is still holding out and even started to fight a guerilla war behind enemy lines.
If ya see my previous Post, yes Ascalon is still standing (at the time prophecies campaign begins) due to King Adelbern however bit by bit the Ascalons are losing ground Its time was limited, Adelbern is too afriad to bring the fight to the Charr and it was destroying the Kingdom, however all this changes after he discovers his Son’s death, the shock of the lose rekindles his warrior spirit and his Will strengthens and as the Threat of the Titans appears he has changed enough to decide to take it upon himself to stop them (which we help with) he also then begins the War on the Charr with a new vigor in honor of Rurik and so Orders The Vanguard north. The Key point here is Adelbern was once a good king but the loses from the Searing had driven him into Fear, and so Until Ruriks Death Ascalon was a crippled and Doomed Nation, it would take the lose of Ascalons shining Star (Rurik) that snapped him out of his fear and finally beginning the retalliation against the Charr.

Quote: Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka What I don't understand is why did Vizier Khilbron kill all the Charr that were invading Orr? He controlled the Titans who controlled the Charr so if he didn't want his homeland destroyed he could probably have ordered the Charr to go away. Also in destroying the Charr he destroyed Orr which, if i'm not mistaken was the thing he seeked to proctect from the Charr? The reasons he killed the Charr is because it Weakened the Charr race wiping out presumably hundreds of Charr and destroying the City of Arr (the City of the Gods) aswell and annihilating the Orr Kingdom. The Vizier had been gradually corrupted by one of Abaddons Demons who co-erced him into reading the scroll. The Bonus effect of this were all the souls killed in the explosion were tainted from the touch of Abaddon and thusgiving him large amounts of souls that he could use to Power himself and his forces (such as the Titans who were made from tainted souls) This then causes his powers to grow, thus allowing him to strain against the Doors of the Prison (the Door of Komalie) and thus causing the Mursaat to find additional means of keeping the Door closed.(Sacrificing human souls) Abaddon cared little for the Charr, they used them and weakened them so when Abaddon forces came through there would be no single army that could stand against them. As for the Titans no he commandered them in the mortal realm under Orders of Abaddon, The sceptre of Orr is what allowed the Titans to materialise in the physical realm.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregslot
Chapter 1:
Ascalon used to be the Charr's home, we got there, killed most of them and kicked them from there and now they fight a battle to get their lands back, wich would be just normal.
Shiverpeaks was breaking apart in a civil war and we decided to help one side just beacause we liked them.

Chapter 2:
Ok, i have to admit that Shiro overeacted. But at the end all he was trying to get his revange, but killing a lot of people was very selfish of his part. At his point of view, the emperor himself betrayed Shiro, so he wanted to kill the emperor and get back. Its a shame Abbadon used him u.
Urgoz got very andry becasue the humans screwed up his forest and we killed him and his followers.

Chapter 3:
This one is kind of sad, specially for the margonites.
From what i know, the margonites used to live at the Crystal Desert and worshiped Abbadon, because it was their god and all. But one day Abbadon started to think differently from the other gods and they had a 5 on 1 struggle . Well, we all know he didnt stood a chance against them all. They opened a hole in the ground, shoved Abbadon in it and the margonites along with him.
I dont know about you, but i wouldnt want to go to the Realm of Torment just because the other gods didint liked ours... i mean... wtf?
Obviously Abbadon didnt liked the idea either. The margonites wanted and tryed to get back to their home, and then what happened? We killed most of them, we DESTROYED their gods and put another one WE wanted. Not beeing enough, we went to their "new" home and killed them all and everyone that our new god didint liked, including Dhuum's followers that also didint wanted to be there.
Now take a look at the big picture! Holy shit! We are BAD! Ascalon was never the home of the Charr, the Charr were ordered by there Gods ( who they believed were the titans) to Destroy the Blasphemous humans. We helped the Dwarves of the shiverpeaks not because we liked them but because there enemies were Xenophobic and hated all non Dwarves ie Us. Remember – An enemy of my enemy is my Friend .

Shiro did just overreact he was corrupted by Abaddon s Demon (the Oracle) who fuelled him with Rage and Abaddon used his powers to Infuse shiro with a Powerful Death Nova that would would later help fuel Abaddons ends. Urgotz wasn’t angry at the humans, he was corrupted, the entire Forrest was warped my the Jade Wind, it turned to stone, likewise Urgotz heart turned to Stone and he cared no longer for the indigenous races of the Forest except the ones under his control and so he tried to Destroy the others.

The Margonites were the favoured race of Abaddon, he gifted them with Magic against the wishes of the other Gods. This gave the Margonites Domination over the Other creatures of Tryia. The Gods gifted the other races with Magic to compensate and full scale war broke out all over Tryia, creature against creature it became Chaos. The Gods wanted to remove the magic from Tryia but Abaddon was unwilling to remove the power from the Margonites and he attempted to get the Margonites to Usurp the Gods. The Gods used there powers to weaken the magic of the Races an idea given to the by King Doric by creating the Bloodstones. And as they did so They weakened and captured Abaddon and cast him and his followers to the Eternal Prison in the Underworld. (aka the realm of Torment) so that they may never again create such Chaos across the lands of Tryia. After the second and final defeat of Abaddon and the rise of Koromir the Remaining forces of Abaddon and some deserters of the other failed “Gods” (Dhuum and Menzies) rallied behind Mallynx and were attempting to give Mallyx the Power of Abaddon to restore the Dark Lord to Power once again. We foiled this attempt and restored Peace across the lands of Tryia.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

.... Hmph.

If I'd had the option.... I'd have well and truly sided with the Mursaat against those ignorant gimps of the Shining Blade.

I mean... sure... the Mursaat were acting out of fear of the flameseeker prophecies.... BUT... the enemy of my enemy is my friend, as they say.
They were impatient and fearful, and suspected that the old gods weren't doing anything.... and perhaps the old gods weren't doing anything because none of the Mursaat had thought to try Ascending themselves.


Given the choice, I would have tried reasoning with the Mursaat and tried to get them to bargain with the old gods and get their favour. Then it would have been a simple matter of taking Abaddon's influence out of Tyria and leaving the Mursaat to guard it while my lot went back to sort their homeland of Cantha out (and eventually move on to Elona).


As for Ascalon.... I couldn't care less. I have two Ascalonian characters and one is still in pre-searing. Ghost of Cot Death doesn't give a damn about the fate of Ascalon either. Nubrik and Adled-brains are both idiots.
When Cot Death left there.... it was because on one side Nubrik just wanted to run away like the defiant brat he was and take Ascalon with him.... while Adled-brains had nothing on his mind but constantly fighting the enemy head-on... unknowing of what was backing them up. It fell to US to fix the problems.... and King Adled-brain is STILL just bashing heads endlessly with the Charr... quite probably completely oblivious to the fact that he is only alive because we cut out the root of the problem.
I reckon both the Ascalonians and the Charr need a good old slap round the face now and a reminder that the causes for which they're fighting are bloody irrelevant now.



I want to play a Mursaat.
At the very least I want a Mursaat hero on my side.
Anyone who has ever watched anime should know that they're basically Anti-Heroes just waiting for redemption... and we have been denied the oppurtunity to offer them just that.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
All good points, but our rampage through all of tyria netted us a ton of plunder. I may not be a hero to the hundreds of white mantle I killed just for the iron in their armor, but I'm sure as heck a hero to myself and my friends now that I'm wealthy.

Just like the crusades or almost all wars in the ancient age, sometimes a war just for the sake of a war is good stuff. Think of yourself like Attila the Hun, heroically pillaging and plundering the whole world, remembered for thousands of years. What is best in life?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.

Valeria

Valeria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Germany

PaRe

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Drive the charr away an conquer a nice new place for new Ascalon!

I'll just wait and see what happens in the future...