How to beat magni?

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

24 Aug 2007 at 22:32 - 81

In my honest opinion... eles have a really, really easy time in the Arena.

[skill]blinding surge[/skill][skill]lightning orb[/skill][skill]enervating charge[/skill][skill]air attunement[/skill][skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]glyph of restoration[/skill] ... then Vampirism, for a small self-heal, but mostly to deal with Mhenlo, and Slippery Ground for the interruption.

Magni's no problem at all, just hit B-Surge again as soon as he Sigs.

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

24 Aug 2007 at 22:32 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetsunaSamurai

Riposte, Deadly Riposte, Dragon Slash, For Great Justice, Flail, Lions Comfort will easily do the trick. Dragon Slash spam until you get to Bison, then just play him defensively. Thanks, worked, but only just.

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Aug 2007 at 22:45 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by flclempire

Ooooor it could be that I made a necro because I wanted to play as a necro, and not an f'ing 55? Using a secondary profession is not the same thing as being a 55. Here, I'll give you a partial bar to work with:

[skill]Ignorance[/skill][skill]Price of Failure[/skill][skill]Enfeeble[/skill][skill]Insidious Parasite[/skill]

Those four skills should help quite a bit with the match, and that leaves you four more slots to fill with whatever skills you choose, including the Elite skill of your choice, to help deal with all the other combatants. I personally recommend something like Aura of the Lich (this may be the edge you need, seeing as you apparently tried with Enfeeble+Insidious already with no victory), Grenth's Balance, or Tainted Flesh. Sure, you are stuck with only Prophecies and Eye of the North skills, but don't let that stop you from using synergy to win.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

24 Aug 2007 at 22:48 - 84

Originally Posted by flclempire

Ooooor it could be that I made a necro because I wanted to play as a necro, and not an f'ing 55? Also I have prophecies only so my movepool is fairly limited. I didn't make my necro because I thought they were the best for pve, I chose it because I like their play styles. Wow, just wow.

I just wonder, what is that "pure necro" playstyle and how using skills from secondary spoils it.

ah, whatever.

Wolf2581

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Joliet, IL, USA

Hardcore Militants United [HMU]

Me/

24 Aug 2007 at 22:50 - 85

This is what I used on my mesmer:

12+1+3 Domination Magic, 10+1 Inspiration Magic, 8+1 Fast Casting
[skill]Signet of Midnight[/skill][skill]Ignorance[/skill][skill]Spirit of Failure[/skill][skill]Empathy[/skill][skill]Diversion[/skill][skill]Ether Feast[/skill][skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Leech Signet[/skill]

Keep up [wiki]Signet of Midnight[/wiki] and [wiki]Ignorance[/wiki] at all times. Use [wiki]Spirit of Failure[/wiki] for energy and [wiki]Empathy[/wiki] for damage. The last four skills are for help against others, especially casters, in the tournament.

He will have a constant 90%-92.5% chance to miss, and he should be done within a few minutes.

KazeMitsui

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

pretty sure its all up in yo face

[WHAT]

24 Aug 2007 at 22:53 - 86

so i did the burning arrow ranger standard gvg format but throwdirt instead of rez sig got owned not enough blockfest
so then i just went pure beastmaster aka 12beast 12 exp and heal as one and owned him with poison bite and the one with bleeding
and just kept kiting and rezing my pet takes aobut 2-4min avg for me 3 min so yea ggs if youre a ranger

flclempire

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

24 Aug 2007 at 23:17 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Bison is quite easy, there are enough options on how to beat him.

Bad thing is 100gold price for attempt, which kinda proposes just using wiki build for assured victory (since it is silly to waste several k to get working build yoursefl.)

Wow, just wow.

I just wonder, what is that "pure necro" playstyle and how using skills from secondary spoils it.

ah, whatever. I didn't say using secondary prof skills ruined it, I just meant I want to play as a necro, not a prot spirit monk, whats the point of being a necro if you have to semi-55 the hard parts?

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

24 Aug 2007 at 23:18 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by flclempire

I didn't say using secondary prof skills ruined it, I just meant I want to play as a necro, not a prot spirit monk, whats the point of being a necro if you have to semi-55 the hard parts? Wow...so you think the only time anyone uses a secondary skill is when they go 55? I'm amazed : /

flclempire

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

24 Aug 2007 at 23:20 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

Using a secondary profession is not the same thing as being a 55. Here, I'll give you a partial bar to work with:

[skill]Ignorance[/skill][skill]Price of Failure[/skill][skill]Enfeeble[/skill][skill]Insidious Parasite[/skill]

Those four skills should help quite a bit with the match, and that leaves you four more slots to fill with whatever skills you choose, including the Elite skill of your choice, to help deal with all the other combatants. I personally recommend something like Aura of the Lich (this may be the edge you need, seeing as you apparently tried with Enfeeble+Insidious already with no victory), Grenth's Balance, or Tainted Flesh. Sure, you are stuck with only Prophecies and Eye of the North skills, but don't let that stop you from using synergy to win. I'm not a magic mana generating device

The problem with casting ignorance every 11 seconds is the mana, that and the 15mana parasite+enfeeble+a regen spell just cost too much. Have you tried a necro build vs bison that didn't involve prot spirit? I just wannt beat this turd and get it over with, I'm calcifying from boredom.....is that a word?

flclempire

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

24 Aug 2007 at 23:21 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

Wow...so you think the only time anyone uses a secondary skill is when they go 55? I'm amazed : / Have you no comprehension of the English language?

SetsunaSamurai

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Delaware

Eternal Knights of Twilight [Nite]

W/E

24 Aug 2007 at 23:21 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by flclempire

I'm not a magic mana generating device

murtagh deadmoon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Call to the Torment {CttT}

24 Aug 2007 at 23:25 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bug John

with this sin build, you can kill all the heroes and bison

critical agility (sunspear)
critical defense
way of perfection
beguiling haze (e)
golden fox strike
wild strike
critical stike
impale

stats are something like 12 daggers, 13 critical, 9 shadow and 3 deadly
(sure you can have better ones, didn't want to buy new runes)

very easy to use

You sir, are a legend

flclempire

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

24 Aug 2007 at 23:29 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by SetsunaSamurai

I think you are missing the entire point.
In the Fighting Tournament and in Guild Wars on the whole. Does that matter?

CyrxKel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ecliptic Phoenix

N/Mo

24 Aug 2007 at 23:39 - 94

Can somebody post me necro build? I tried lots and lots of ways, i allways kill few enemies...[/QUOTE]

I've killed him twice this build.
Spoil Victor
Life Siphon (used it for kiting if I had to run around-against Cynn, to get eng back)
Vampiric Touch
Vampiric Gaze
Vampiric Bite
Awaken the Blood
Protective Spirit
Healing Breeze

Blood 16
Healing 9
Protection 9

Cast Awaken the Blood first, then SV. When they get low enough to where SV isn't triggering anymore run in and touch them to death. You may have to piddle with it to get it working right since you don't know who you will be facing before him. But once you get to him do Awaken the Blood as usual, followed by LIFE SIPHON. This will work as a cover hex. After he does Bear Form cast SV then Protective Spirit. If you get low cast Healing Breeze and reapply SV when he removes it and keep up Protective Spirit. This worked for me so hope it works for you all as well. Good luck and enjoy!

wonderwyrm

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

24 Aug 2007 at 23:41 - 95

anyone have luck with some sort of dervish build?

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

24 Aug 2007 at 23:42 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyrxKel

I've killed him twice this build.
Spoil Victor
Life Siphon (used it for kiting if I had to run around-against Cynn, to get eng back)
Vampiric Touch
Vampiric Gaze
Vampiric Bite
Awaken the Blood
Protective Spirit
Healing Breeze

Blood 16
Healing 9
Protection 9

Cast Awaken the Blood first, then SV. When they get low enough to where SV isn't triggering anymore run in and touch them to death. You may have to piddle with it to get it working right since you don't know who you will be facing before him. But once you get to him do Awaken the Blood as usual, followed by LIFE SIPHON. This will work as a cover hex. After he does Bear Form cast SV then Protective Spirit. If you get low cast Healing Breeze and reapply SV when he removes it and keep up Protective Spirit. This worked for me so hope it works for you all as well. Good luck and enjoy! He is a necro because he wants to play a necro. He doesn't want to be semi 55 with a monk skill.

flclempire

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

24 Aug 2007 at 23:44 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

He is a necro because he wants to play a necro. He doesn't want to be semi 55 with a monk skill. I don't believe he was responding to me :P

flclempire

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

24 Aug 2007 at 23:45 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf2581

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Aug 2007 at 23:55 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by flclempire

I'm not a magic mana generating device

The problem with casting ignorance every 11 seconds

Ah, there we go. See, the problem with casting Ignorance every 11 seconds is that you don't need to cast it every 11 seconds. If you can make your build work with that kind of energy expenditure, then by all means, go right ahead. But truthfully, you only need to cast Ignorance in the following situation (though you may want to use it in other situations; I certainly did, but I had more energy management options to choose from):

Purge Signet is nearly recharged, bastard is hexed/conditioned up, your hexes/conditions are not quite yet done recharging yet. Put Ignorance on him, so that by the time he uses Purge Signet, you will be able to reapply the hexes/conditions and somewhat relax for another 15-odd seconds (factoring in casting time and whatnot, but only loosely, because I am too lazy and / or busy at the moment to bother with math

). As long as you time your casts around his Purge Signet recharges, it doesn't really matter if you keep him hexed 100% of the time. He'll die, eventually. Enfeeble has a relatively quick recharge, so you can probably reapply Weakness as soon as he removes it. Parasitic Bond might be an option, as it's a cheap, quick casting hex with a fast recharge and a nice effect when it ends. You can use it to "lure" his Purge Signets to help your timing more.

And yes, I've done it without Protective Spirit, with a build a Necromancer could easily use, albeit not using a Necromancer as a primary profession (deleted my PvE Necro long ago, you see). Diversion works pretty well at keeping Purge Signet out of the battle, if you want to give that a shot, and would also work well against all of the other combatants.

But hey, don't waste too much time on this guy. Go complete the rest of the preview! Unless you already have, and in that case... Good luck with whatever you decide to try next. For now, I've got to be off. New releases are always busy times around here, sadly.

kakumei65

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Everlasting Exodus

W/E

25 Aug 2007 at 00:06 - 100

Quote:

Joe Thomas

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

San Antonio, TX

Guild of Pain [dogs]

R/A

25 Aug 2007 at 00:16 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenwryll Shadowstep

I beat him as a R/Rt using a variation of the Oath Spirit Spam build.

Oath Shot, Whirling Defense, Pain, Bloodsong, Shadowsong Dissonance, Nightmare Weapon, Throw Dirt. Expertise 10+1+3, Communing 12, Channeling 8.

Leave the gate, put down the spirits, hit nightmare weapon, Oath Shot, fire a few shots to give an extra health drain spike, and relay the spirits down when needed.

Currently working on my crown. Need a suitable replacement for my jesters cap. Much props to Kenwryll and his Oath Spam Spirit Build suggestion. Saved me much anger and headache after getting owned time after time with various Ranger Builds (Touch, Trapper, etc).

CyrxKel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ecliptic Phoenix

N/Mo

25 Aug 2007 at 00:22 - 102

Glad it helped you!

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

25 Aug 2007 at 00:31 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

It's cake for me to beat all the guys before Bison on my Derv, but Bison himself keeps owning my Derv.

Anyone got a good Derv build that can kill all the guys before Bison, and Bison?

i basically loaded a bar with counters for everything i'd expect to face.

D/Me

mystic sweep <-- ok dmg
victorious sweep <-- bit of heal + dmg
EDA <-- constant blind vs the melee opponents
mystic regen <-- obvious self heal
faithful intervention <-- safety
armour of sanctity <-- dmg reduction from blinded foes
elemental resistance <-- makes the ele foes easily manageable
rending touch

- basically, keep melee foes blinded. 2 attack skills so purge signet poses no worry.
- take a look at the opponent before aggro. if its a spellcaster, put up ele resist and allow for energy regen before all the enchants go on. still use EDA vs casters, i'm pretty sure armour of sanctity reduces ele dmg too.
- rend touch is for stoneflesh aura (think it was argo using that) and mhenlo as he's 55hp. just make sure u cover enchants with armour of sanctity before rend (quickest recharge and low energy cost

)
- be careful vs the dervish hero, i found he has rending touch after he'd stripped EDA.. so always keep it covered with armour of sanctity vs him.

gl

EDIT: i realise that there are anti melee, stil np. gwen using signet of midnight, u can get in the odd hit, and she's weak.. goes down quick. and vang with b. flash.. he runs out of energy

gg

EDIT #2: wow. i post a build in response to requests that works (i should know, i have the crown) and what do i get? some idiot pm'ing me that i wasted his gold. why did he fail? he couldnt keep melonni blind (oh dear). please don't think this build takes no skill, u can't button mash 12345678 to the bison cup. u need to know what ur doing against each opponent. if u do know how to use these skills, u complete the tournament, if u don't, u fail.. just don't come whining to me.

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

25 Aug 2007 at 01:00 - 104

Anyone tried using a blessing, that would help out

I'll try now with Ursan Blessing

Ursan doesn't work as its same thing as him but his is better
Try Raven soon as i get it (some blinds and bleeds)

achilles ankle

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

USA

The Primevil Spartans

25 Aug 2007 at 01:09 - 105

Found a sin build lol..didnt look hard enough :P

Kazamafury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Mo/

25 Aug 2007 at 01:09 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArYeS

My friend uses monk and he killed him two times allready:

Shield of Judgement
Holy Strike
Castigation Signet (new EotN)
Reversal of Fortune
Protective Spirit
Scourge Healing (not much of a use)
Baltazar's Spirit
Essence Bond

smithing 12+1+3
prot 12+1
divine 3+1

Can somebody post me necro build? I tried lots and lots of ways, i allways kill few enemies... I have almost the exact same build except instead of Scourge Healing, I use Leech Signet to interrupt bear form and other forms or important skills in the tournament.

The build really only has problems with Rending Touch and I am not able to deal with Mhenlo's 55. There's no room for enchant removal. Do these opponents have a fixed energy pool? If so, I guess interrupting Healing Breeze may be the way, then again he uses Blessed Signet.

Ace2001

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

D/W

25 Aug 2007 at 05:21 - 107

Can anybody post a Dervish/Warrior build that doesn't involve Ebon Dust cloak? >.< I don't have that skill, and the only scythe weapon I have is Hand of the Forgotten, which is slash damage and noth earth damage. >_>; I manage to get to the 6th guy alright half the time, but he always beats my ass. x.x;

4ssassin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

none

W/E

25 Aug 2007 at 06:13 - 108

OwET8Y4Q5xvAY+LpkLt8QfcQAA

Mo/W build NOT SMITE for people that...dont want to smite

Uses prot bond, ZB, and 3 sword skills (among others of course)

kess

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

E/A

25 Aug 2007 at 06:23 - 109

[skill]Glyph Of Elemental Power[/skill] [skill]Elemental Attunement[/skill][skill]Air Attunement[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Blinding Flash[/skill][skill]Lightning Hammer[/skill][skill]Lightning Orb[/skill][skill]Lightning Strike[/skill]

16 air
11 es
8 earth prayers

use [skill]Blinding Flash[/skill] to blind any melee opponent, [skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill] to cover enchant if encounter gwen (she has [skill]Shatter Enchantment[/skill]) and keep spamming the 3 attack skills

clarianaeneas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/E

25 Aug 2007 at 06:51 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Thomas

Much props to Kenwryll and his Oath Spam Spirit Build suggestion. Saved me much anger and headache after getting owned time after time with various Ranger Builds (Touch, Trapper, etc). Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Kenwryll! I only wish I bit he bullet and bought those rit skills alot earlier, I would've saved a few k.

xDusT II

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Melbourne

25 Aug 2007 at 06:55 - 111

[skill]mark of rodgort[/skill][skill]Fireball[/skill][skill]Mind Blast[/skill][skill]Smoldering Embers[/skill][skill]Glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Fire attunement[/skill]

worked wonders for me. As for the battles before him, the majority of them should be easy. The dangerous ones are anyone with excessive degen or constant low damage. In both cases you should just be able to out damage them.

jesusrunz

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

You blow

Mo/

25 Aug 2007 at 06:56 - 112

kill him with more than 12 character long sentences.

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

NYC

The Circle Of Nine[NINE]

E/N

25 Aug 2007 at 07:06 - 113

Morgahn surprised the hell out of me when he was P/R. Poisoned and set me on fire...I barely beat him.

Goeth Lucien

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

25 Aug 2007 at 07:24 - 114

I think some of the overpowered PvE only skills work really well here

. I’ve been using the following on my ranger to some good effect.

Expertise 12+1+1
Blood 12

Grenth’s Balance {E}
Demonic Flesh
Parasitic Bond
Necrosis {PvE}
Lightning Reflexes
Whirling Defense
“Finish Him!” {PvE}
“You Move Like a Dwarf!”{PvE}

Most of the opponents drop very fast in direct proportion to how quickly they can deal damage (Gwen is a notable example). Genth’s/Parasitic Bond/Necrosis until they fall below 50%, then “Finish Him!” and “You Move Like a Dwarf” to end it.

Parasitic Bond has a nice 20s duration, is cheap and is easily re-applied. Demonic Flesh is only used for Bison. I usually just wait out Melonni’s Avatar of Dwayna and Mhenlo and Danika require a bit little timing. None of the other pose any significant problems.

Bison usually requires a little kiting as you’re waiting for Grenth’s to recharge since it will take more then one cycle, but with the stances and knockdown, this usually isn’t much of an issue.

Kit Engel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Lords of the Sacred Chao

E/Me

25 Aug 2007 at 08:08 - 115

Ran the arena so many times on my ranger, still haven't lost yet. Just using a normal cripshot build.

Savage Shot
Distracting Shot
Crippling Shot
Mending Touch
Troll Unguent
Natural Stride
Screaming Shot
Apply Poison

Ran the whole thing a few times, didn't have any trouble with any of the characters (though melee was easier to smack around than casters).

Guildmaster Cain

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Guildmistress Eve [Me], Guildmistress Azura [N], Guildmistress Azumi [A], Guildmistress Jaina [D]

Guildmaster Aeron [Rt], Arthas Ironfist [W], Guild: The Tyrian Templars [TTT]

25 Aug 2007 at 08:11 - 116

well i dont have EotN yet, but a warrior boss doesnt sound that hard, even if he hits really hard.

Warrior with the auspicious parry, riposte and bonettis might work. It used to be a good warrior boss farm build for Factions.

If you have a ritualist there, it is funny to bring Glyph of Renewal and Binding Chains. You can have him binded for the whole fight. Which means he moves 90% slower and cant use attacks.
Only problem is that it ends when u hit him... except with vampiric damage. So get that Vengeful Weapon or whatever its called together with Bloodsong and ull take him down without even letting him get close to u.

Or just take all the offensive spirits u have, bring that hex spell that amplifies the dmg done by them and do about 240 armor ignoring dmg per 2 seconds.

Kit Engel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Lords of the Sacred Chao

E/Me

25 Aug 2007 at 08:14 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

25 Aug 2007 at 08:50 - 118

Did anyone else have to fight Alesia yet?
Very amusing, she was upset because people always called her more of a Warrior than a Monk.. So she's listened to them.

I finally managed to get my crown, and I'll be very happy to never need to return to this tournament, a little too frustrating for my tastes. My only complaint with the crown is that it dyes too brightly, making it look like cloth, instead of metal. A mixture of silver, yellow and orange gives it a fairly decent gold colour though, and I'm sure someone can come up with a better combination, but that was all I had on hand.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

25 Aug 2007 at 09:00 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

Did anyone else have to fight Alesia yet?
Very amusing, she was upset because people always called her more of a Warrior than a Monk.. So she's listened to them.

OMG, I had to face Little Thom... wow. Dude's running around with a sword/shield and Fire spells including Firestorm!

Oh man, I was laughing my ass off!

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

25 Aug 2007 at 09:12 - 120

yeah i've faced off vs thom, and alesia, and great zehtuka, and every one of them a thousand times.

I'm running a necro, have run through this thread 10 times, have bought tons of 2ndary skills, have run all sorts of builds, and can't get past M Bison and its killing me, despite whats been posted, and I consider myself a very experienced necro........