Norn, Vangaurd,ect title tracks
freekedoutfish
Dude seriously!
It took me a grand total of just two days (saturday to sunday) to get my Norn rank to 7 "slayer of heroes", which is the required level for Norn armor.
You can get about 3-4k Norn points just farming and using bounties in Drakker Lake. It takes about 30-45 minutes a run. Im sure the same will apply to other areas for Drawf, Asura and Vanguard when its released fully.
I now have Norn elemental armor (search the post entitled "elemental Norn 10k armor"). If I can manage that in just 2 days (and I hate farming), then why cant you?
Seriously get over this dislike of having to actually put some effort in for armor!!!
I honestly worry about some people and their expentations to get stuff for free. Increasing titles in GWEN is the easiest thing to do EVER!! You have bounties, quest rewards and dungeon rewards FCS!! Its not hard!
And for that exact same reason, the Norn, Drawf, Asura and Vanguard titles DO NOT need to be account based. It takes absolutely no time or effort to increase your rank that its pointless making it account based. A single character will be able to increase their points easily amoung the 18 dungeons and countless quests and bounties.
Luxon and Kuzack titles are account based because its ALOT hard to earn faction points and rank levels are HUGE!!!!
Lets compare...
The max Norn rank needs 80,000 (we assume) or over.
The max luxon and kuzack titles needs 10,000,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read that... 10,000,000!!!!
...now come on!!!!
This is also concidering you only need rank 7 for 10k armor, which is only 56,000 points in GWEN!!! And as I said, I made 56,000 points in just 2 days of farming and that is when only having access to about 5% of the entire GWEN map!
Imagine how easily increasing rank will be once you have access to 100% and dozens of quests!
Another point is that you (presumably) entering GWEN after you complete a compaign or all compaigns. You will already have a max set of armor and you DONT need GWEN armor to progess. Its not like starting a whole new campaign where you NEED to get armor to survive.
You have alll the time in the world while playing through GWEN to increase ranks, and THEN you can get your armor. If you are wanting to start GWEN and get armor "right away" then yes this will annoy you, but tough!
For those who say increasing Norn, Drawf, Asura and Vanguard titles is grind... NO IT ISNT! Increasing faction is grind, increasing wisdom and treasure hunter is grind!
However this is not.. and why?
Because you increase rank by doing quests and dungeons and bounties! Which are the ENTIRE point of the game!! If you dislike doing the 100s of quests to increase your rank, or you consider doing 18 dungeons to increase rank then why are you playing this game?
The entire point of GWs PvE aspect is quests, missions and dungeons (now). If you think that is grind, then OMG!
By the time you reach the end or probably mid-way through GWEN chances are that you will be rank 7 anyway due to the all the rewards!
It took me a grand total of just two days (saturday to sunday) to get my Norn rank to 7 "slayer of heroes", which is the required level for Norn armor.
You can get about 3-4k Norn points just farming and using bounties in Drakker Lake. It takes about 30-45 minutes a run. Im sure the same will apply to other areas for Drawf, Asura and Vanguard when its released fully.
I now have Norn elemental armor (search the post entitled "elemental Norn 10k armor"). If I can manage that in just 2 days (and I hate farming), then why cant you?
Seriously get over this dislike of having to actually put some effort in for armor!!!
I honestly worry about some people and their expentations to get stuff for free. Increasing titles in GWEN is the easiest thing to do EVER!! You have bounties, quest rewards and dungeon rewards FCS!! Its not hard!
And for that exact same reason, the Norn, Drawf, Asura and Vanguard titles DO NOT need to be account based. It takes absolutely no time or effort to increase your rank that its pointless making it account based. A single character will be able to increase their points easily amoung the 18 dungeons and countless quests and bounties.
Luxon and Kuzack titles are account based because its ALOT hard to earn faction points and rank levels are HUGE!!!!
Lets compare...
The max Norn rank needs 80,000 (we assume) or over.
The max luxon and kuzack titles needs 10,000,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read that... 10,000,000!!!!
...now come on!!!!
This is also concidering you only need rank 7 for 10k armor, which is only 56,000 points in GWEN!!! And as I said, I made 56,000 points in just 2 days of farming and that is when only having access to about 5% of the entire GWEN map!
Imagine how easily increasing rank will be once you have access to 100% and dozens of quests!
Another point is that you (presumably) entering GWEN after you complete a compaign or all compaigns. You will already have a max set of armor and you DONT need GWEN armor to progess. Its not like starting a whole new campaign where you NEED to get armor to survive.
You have alll the time in the world while playing through GWEN to increase ranks, and THEN you can get your armor. If you are wanting to start GWEN and get armor "right away" then yes this will annoy you, but tough!
For those who say increasing Norn, Drawf, Asura and Vanguard titles is grind... NO IT ISNT! Increasing faction is grind, increasing wisdom and treasure hunter is grind!
However this is not.. and why?
Because you increase rank by doing quests and dungeons and bounties! Which are the ENTIRE point of the game!! If you dislike doing the 100s of quests to increase your rank, or you consider doing 18 dungeons to increase rank then why are you playing this game?
The entire point of GWs PvE aspect is quests, missions and dungeons (now). If you think that is grind, then OMG!
By the time you reach the end or probably mid-way through GWEN chances are that you will be rank 7 anyway due to the all the rewards!
WarKaster
Fact 1: I have only 86,000 Points int my Kurzik alliance track and I have had Factions since Day 1 which does not even equate Rank 1 in that title track.
Fact 2: After playing preview weekend for a grand total of 5 hours over the weekend and have Dwarven and Norn rank 2. Thats after only clearing out Drakkar Lake, doing the Norn Bear quest and Frost Maw's Burrow.
Really a grind....you guys are just trying to find something to complain about. Like every other person here has said if you play the game like almost everyone who is interested in actually exploring in the game and grabbing the Shrine Bonuses along the way I can almost guarantee you will have enough points to get your Armor before you finish the game.
Also for some reason everyone who is already complaining some how where totally in the dark about the fact that it was preview weekend and that about 90% of the game content was still locked. Look at the GW:EN map. Look at how much is left unexplored in the Norn area alone. Just wait until Friday play the game for a week or two then do it. Who knows maybe then your complaints will have a foundation to stand on.
Fact 2: After playing preview weekend for a grand total of 5 hours over the weekend and have Dwarven and Norn rank 2. Thats after only clearing out Drakkar Lake, doing the Norn Bear quest and Frost Maw's Burrow.
Really a grind....you guys are just trying to find something to complain about. Like every other person here has said if you play the game like almost everyone who is interested in actually exploring in the game and grabbing the Shrine Bonuses along the way I can almost guarantee you will have enough points to get your Armor before you finish the game.
Also for some reason everyone who is already complaining some how where totally in the dark about the fact that it was preview weekend and that about 90% of the game content was still locked. Look at the GW:EN map. Look at how much is left unexplored in the Norn area alone. Just wait until Friday play the game for a week or two then do it. Who knows maybe then your complaints will have a foundation to stand on.
vikdog
We only saw a small part of the game. Its entirely possible that later areas of the game let you get faction points much quicker.
Complaining about it now would be like complaining about how slow it is to get Sunspear points if all you had played was the noob island in Nightfall - it gets much easier to get points later in the game.
Complaining about it now would be like complaining about how slow it is to get Sunspear points if all you had played was the noob island in Nightfall - it gets much easier to get points later in the game.
Series
Hooray for grind!
Dervish Gnome
Series
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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome
That's what I am hoping, they just didn't want everyone and their mothers getting Norn armor before the game was even released.
Tranquilis
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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome
LifeInfusion
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Originally Posted by neooki
Armor should require rank 1 like Luxon/Kurzick skills, IMO. ON top of rank1 in the title, it should have a quest requirement like the minigames (Norn fighting tourney) or depend on the quest line.
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If there's no reward for grinding, no one will grind. Setting a high grind value on a sought-after reward absolutely guarantees people will grind like mad.
If they removed the high requirement, the reward for grinding reputation is the factional Norn/Aura/Vanguard/ Dwarf skills getting better.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
Life not = GW.
Armor should require rank 1 like Luxon/Kurzick skills, IMO. ON top of rank1 in the title, it should have a quest requirement like the minigames (Norn fighting tourney) or depend on the quest line.
If they removed the high requirement, the reward for grinding reputation is the factional Norn/Aura/Vanguard/ Dwarf skills getting better. Rank 1 faction is 1000 points.
Rank 7 Norn, Drawf, Asura and Vangaurd is 5600 points.
Your only talking 5 times more and Norn, etc points are ALOT easier to achieve them luxon andd Kuzack.
You get upwards of 100+ species points for quests and dungeons in GWEN, so you only need to do about 56 quests (give or take) and some dungeons to have enough for armor.
This isnt going to take your life away to reach rank 7, I mean it took me 2 days of about 10-15 runs in Drakka Lake to get to rank 7 Norn.
Do you not think Anet would purposely add enough quests, with enough rewards and enough dungeon rewards to make it easy to reach rank 7 by the time you are 3/4 way through game?
Anet arent cruel, they like to make things easy to achieve.
You dont need this armor straight off when you start, because people should already have 1 or 2 max sets of armor when they start.
You have more then enough time to just casually play the game, earn points, incraese ranks and THEN get the armor when you have enough.
The people who are winging and complaining, are those who want to rush into the game, get the armor straight away and then just prance around in LA going "look at me, I have Norn armor, ahaha"!
Well news flash.. I've been walking around LA in ele Norn armor for days and no body has noticed!
You dont need this armor straight away, so give it time to earn the ranks you need and there are enough quests and dungeons to do that.
Armor should require rank 1 like Luxon/Kurzick skills, IMO. ON top of rank1 in the title, it should have a quest requirement like the minigames (Norn fighting tourney) or depend on the quest line.
If they removed the high requirement, the reward for grinding reputation is the factional Norn/Aura/Vanguard/ Dwarf skills getting better. Rank 1 faction is 1000 points.
Rank 7 Norn, Drawf, Asura and Vangaurd is 5600 points.
Your only talking 5 times more and Norn, etc points are ALOT easier to achieve them luxon andd Kuzack.
You get upwards of 100+ species points for quests and dungeons in GWEN, so you only need to do about 56 quests (give or take) and some dungeons to have enough for armor.
This isnt going to take your life away to reach rank 7, I mean it took me 2 days of about 10-15 runs in Drakka Lake to get to rank 7 Norn.
Do you not think Anet would purposely add enough quests, with enough rewards and enough dungeon rewards to make it easy to reach rank 7 by the time you are 3/4 way through game?
Anet arent cruel, they like to make things easy to achieve.
You dont need this armor straight off when you start, because people should already have 1 or 2 max sets of armor when they start.
You have more then enough time to just casually play the game, earn points, incraese ranks and THEN get the armor when you have enough.
The people who are winging and complaining, are those who want to rush into the game, get the armor straight away and then just prance around in LA going "look at me, I have Norn armor, ahaha"!
Well news flash.. I've been walking around LA in ele Norn armor for days and no body has noticed!
You dont need this armor straight away, so give it time to earn the ranks you need and there are enough quests and dungeons to do that.
Uber Mass
Its fine as it is work for you armor thats the way i like it just take time and effort to get the rank required....
Im gonna do every single quest on my main char and going for the ebon vanguard title starting from friday it will take time and take work but imho its playing the game as it should be.... No need to change or lower requirments for the game imho
Im gonna do every single quest on my main char and going for the ebon vanguard title starting from friday it will take time and take work but imho its playing the game as it should be.... No need to change or lower requirments for the game imho
Marth Reynolds
You know that you can get max 750 norn points a dungeon, right?
i've seen only dwarven reputation hunt in the dungeons and the quest rewards give up to 750 points :/
i'm hoping they will have some dungeons in dwarven territory for getting norn hunts or like somone else said here points for completion of the campaign.
If we get neither of those, youre probaly stuck to doing these ares we had acces to now for norn points and nothing else :/
i've seen only dwarven reputation hunt in the dungeons and the quest rewards give up to 750 points :/
i'm hoping they will have some dungeons in dwarven territory for getting norn hunts or like somone else said here points for completion of the campaign.
If we get neither of those, youre probaly stuck to doing these ares we had acces to now for norn points and nothing else :/
SetsunaSamurai
Cry more, folks. I got Slayer of Giants (Rank 4) just playing this weekend casually.
Remember to grab the Hunts before you run off to do your quests and those points build up really fast.
Remember to grab the Hunts before you run off to do your quests and those points build up really fast.
WarKaster
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Originally Posted by SetsunaSamurai
Cry more, folks. I got Slayer of Giants (Rank 4) just playing this weekend casually.
Remember to grab the Hunts before you run off to do your quests and those points build up really fast. "Really Fast is nice.......but I want it them now!!"
How dare you suggest that people play the game as it was intended an not rush through everything in 24 hours only to complain about what they are going to do next. How dare you sir!!!
But seriously Samurai is right get the blessings at the res shrines and before you know it POOF!!!!! R7
Remember to grab the Hunts before you run off to do your quests and those points build up really fast. "Really Fast is nice.......but I want it them now!!"
How dare you suggest that people play the game as it was intended an not rush through everything in 24 hours only to complain about what they are going to do next. How dare you sir!!!
But seriously Samurai is right get the blessings at the res shrines and before you know it POOF!!!!! R7
ReZDoGG
I agree the title should be lowered to atleast lvl 4 for each. There are alot of people that would love armor, but are not hardcore enough to farm countless hours for points... Top it off, you have to do it for each character that you want armor. Some people do have lives that do sleep and eat. lol Not everyone sits there in play guildwars for 3 days straight without sleep.. those people need help. Level 7 title is jus too much work to get some new armor and make the most outta GwEN.
I do agree that they probably put the titles so high so everyone did'nt get Norn armor over the weekend. I hope so. I think lvl 4 title would be reasonable, still take along time... but alot easier than lvl 7.
I do agree that they probably put the titles so high so everyone did'nt get Norn armor over the weekend. I hope so. I think lvl 4 title would be reasonable, still take along time... but alot easier than lvl 7.
Ravi
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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG
I do agree that they probably put the titles so high so everyone did'nt get Norn armor over the weekend. I hope so. I think lvl 4 title would be reasonable, still take along time... but alot easier than lvl 7.
ALICE WInterLand
i think its fine....well, first of all this expanstion is meant for veteran..by doing quest exploring dungeons. and farming..it really easy to achieve tat.before i knew it.i am already on lvl 3 norn....i think maybe half a day or 1 day u can reach tat 50...doing quest and farming stuff.Its easy...the only thing i am concern is the material..i hope its not freakishly expensive like my vabbi
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG
I agree the title should be lowered to atleast lvl 4 for each. There are alot of people that would love armor, but are not hardcore enough to farm countless hours for points... Top it off, you have to do it for each character that you want armor. Some people do have lives that do sleep and eat. lol Not everyone sits there in play guildwars for 3 days straight without sleep.. those people need help. Level 7 title is jus too much work to get some new armor and make the most outta GwEN.
I do agree that they probably put the titles so high so everyone did'nt get Norn armor over the weekend. I hope so. I think lvl 4 title would be reasonable, still take along time... but alot easier than lvl 7. I have to argree that getting rank 7 doest not require hardcore play. It takes no more then 10-15 farming runs in Drakkar Lake to get to rank 7 if you do it properly!
You can get 3-4k each run!
Thats not hard core gaming. Are you telling me that between your life away from the game, you cant find the time to do maybe do 2 or 3 runs a day or night?
It would take about a week at most doing it casually, and even just by playng the game you will also get reward from quests aswell!
This is norn points im talking about mind, but im certain the other racial points will work the same way!
I do agree that they probably put the titles so high so everyone did'nt get Norn armor over the weekend. I hope so. I think lvl 4 title would be reasonable, still take along time... but alot easier than lvl 7. I have to argree that getting rank 7 doest not require hardcore play. It takes no more then 10-15 farming runs in Drakkar Lake to get to rank 7 if you do it properly!
You can get 3-4k each run!
Thats not hard core gaming. Are you telling me that between your life away from the game, you cant find the time to do maybe do 2 or 3 runs a day or night?
It would take about a week at most doing it casually, and even just by playng the game you will also get reward from quests aswell!
This is norn points im talking about mind, but im certain the other racial points will work the same way!
Mohnzh
What I am surprised at is that people were even ABLE to get all the way to getting the new armor during the preview weekend. I would have thought that they would have made it a little tougher, but I guess everyone will max out EotN way too fast. If ANYBODY could get that far during a PREVIEW, then it is too easy already. It should not be called a PREview anymore. Oh well, I hope the game still poses a challenge.
Diablo???
At this point, 80,000 seems like alot is because we had only 2~3 days to play the game. Once it's released, we have plenty of time, and plenty of ways to acquire such reputations.
Remember, beating Bison automatically gives you 100 rep!
Remember, beating Bison automatically gives you 100 rep!
silvershock
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Originally Posted by mikez himself
because every player in guild wars loves grinding.
..
I just wish I could walk into lions arch, snap my fingers and have a heap of 15k armors spawn in front of me. Then suddenly i would get stuffed with ecto's and ripped to pieces by all the obsidian shard flying around the air. Then when I respawn, i get my nuts chopped of by a crystaline sword, and a chaos axe flies inches from my neck. Then gwen and some snowmen would pick all that crap up for me, deposit it in my storage chest which has 1000000 spaces, and mallyx would come by, say hello and give me all his items.
And you know why?
BECAUSE GRINDING SUUUUUUUUCCCKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSS
I don't wanna spent ages getting this or getting that, i have more to do then waste my entire day on guild wars!
I just wish I could walk into lions arch, snap my fingers and have a heap of 15k armors spawn in front of me. Then suddenly i would get stuffed with ecto's and ripped to pieces by all the obsidian shard flying around the air. Then when I respawn, i get my nuts chopped of by a crystaline sword, and a chaos axe flies inches from my neck. Then gwen and some snowmen would pick all that crap up for me, deposit it in my storage chest which has 1000000 spaces, and mallyx would come by, say hello and give me all his items.
And you know why?
BECAUSE GRINDING SUUUUUUUUCCCKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSS
I don't wanna spent ages getting this or getting that, i have more to do then waste my entire day on guild wars!
Ritualistof the Mists
Omg! grinding is not the funniest thing to do and like it was said before some of us cant grind for 10hrs some of us can only play for about 2 hours and not everyday. Also how many of you have 5 or more characters that you might get armor for I know i have 3 as of right now that i do. The ones of you that are saying grinding is what you do and that it is fun and easy thing it isnt for everyone. It gets boring, and those that say the ones of us that dont want to grind are lazy do you only have one PVE character.
The ones of us that would like to see the title req. lowered most of you act like that is a sin come on . It is not like we want it put down to rank 2 i mean must of us have said rank for would be nice.
The ones of us that would like to see the title req. lowered most of you act like that is a sin come on . It is not like we want it put down to rank 2 i mean must of us have said rank for would be nice.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by silvershock
BECAUSE GRINDING SUUUUUUUUCCCKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSS
I don't wanna spent ages getting this or getting that, i have more to do then waste my entire day on guild wars!
Omg! grinding is not the funniest thing to do and like it was said before some of us cant grind for 10hrs some of us can only play for about 2 hours and not everyday. Also how many of you have 5 or more characters that you might get armor for I know i have 3 as of right now that i do. The ones of you that are saying grinding is what you do and that it is fun and easy thing it isnt for everyone. It gets boring, and those that say the ones of us that dont want to grind are lazy do you only have one PVE character.
The ones of us that would like to see the title req. lowered most of you act like that is a sin come on . It is not like we want it put down to rank 2 i mean must of us have said rank for would be nice. Why is it that no one seems to grasp that GWEN gives away points as rewards for quests and dungeons and bounties.
There are plenty of ways to earn reputation points.
Points ranging from 100-750 in value. By the time you have completed half of GWEN, there is a very high chance that your reputation level with either the Norn, Drawfs, Vanguard or the Asura will be within the 56k range or atleast close enough that you can finish the rest off with some farming.
No one is saying you have to grind all the way to rank 7, beacuse by just playing the game you earn points anyway and concidering the staggering number of quests, repeatable quests and dungeons ingame, you are going to earrn ALOT of points by the time you reach the end.
Do you understand that?
People during the preview event (like myself) resorted to grindingly farming Norn points to get to rank 7 because there was no other way to do it, in such a sort amount of time.
Once the entire game is released in just a few days, there will be quests, dungeons, bounties, tournaments, drawf boxing, polymock. Countless ways to earn reputation points for your chosen side!!!!!
That means you dont need to spent "10 hours" grinding points by farming or doing the same old thing over and over again. You might enjoy playing polymock or boxing. You might enjoy doing repeatable quests and dungeons to earn reptuation points.
There might even be quests or dungeons that give away 1k+ reputation points as rewards!
You cant complain about the reputation/title system, and how we aquire armor until the entire game has been released and know how it all works!
We only got to see about 5-10% of the entire GWEN map, so how can you come to a conclusion about the game from just that?
What exactly is your definition of grinding, because I dont think its the same as mine or others!
My idea of grinding is when you have to achieve something outside of the actual storyline and quest and missions. For instance the wisdom and treasure chest titles arent connected to quest or missions. You can only earn that by endlessly opening chests and id'ing golds.
And the factions titles require you to either repeat the same two quests or play FA or AB over and over and over again. They have no real baring on the story of the game.
This is why you cant call earning the reputation titles a grind, because you add to those by actually playing the game. You dont even have to think about it, or conciously try to increase your points, because it happens as you play.
Yes it will come a point where you might need an extra 5-10k and you have done all the quests and dungeons and your bored with tournaments and boxing. But thats then your choice to farm those last few points! No is forcing you!
We have dozens of other armor sets throughout the game to choose from, so you cant argue that Anet is stopping you from getting armor. I would have assumed that by the time you play GWEN you would already have atleast one 15k set, so why is it such a huge priority to get a GWEN set straight away?
If you dont like farming points, are you not able to simply take your time, play the game, increase your points slowly and wait until you finish to get new armor?
This isnt about the reputation points being hard to earn, because their not. Its about yourself and others wanting to enter GWEN and take all your wealth and buy new armor straight away.
You dont have the patience to just play through all the quests and dungeons and earn points slowly and then get armor once you have enough. You want stuff now like a child at home crying because he has to eat his dinner before he gets desert!
Just play through GWEN, earn your points from quests and dungeons and other events and maybe do a tiny bit of farming and you will easily get enough points to reach rank 7.
But you cant complain about the mechanism of a game, which hasnt even been released yet and all you've experienced was a tiny, tiny preview of what exists!
The ones of us that would like to see the title req. lowered most of you act like that is a sin come on . It is not like we want it put down to rank 2 i mean must of us have said rank for would be nice. Why is it that no one seems to grasp that GWEN gives away points as rewards for quests and dungeons and bounties.
There are plenty of ways to earn reputation points.
Points ranging from 100-750 in value. By the time you have completed half of GWEN, there is a very high chance that your reputation level with either the Norn, Drawfs, Vanguard or the Asura will be within the 56k range or atleast close enough that you can finish the rest off with some farming.
No one is saying you have to grind all the way to rank 7, beacuse by just playing the game you earn points anyway and concidering the staggering number of quests, repeatable quests and dungeons ingame, you are going to earrn ALOT of points by the time you reach the end.
Do you understand that?
People during the preview event (like myself) resorted to grindingly farming Norn points to get to rank 7 because there was no other way to do it, in such a sort amount of time.
Once the entire game is released in just a few days, there will be quests, dungeons, bounties, tournaments, drawf boxing, polymock. Countless ways to earn reputation points for your chosen side!!!!!
That means you dont need to spent "10 hours" grinding points by farming or doing the same old thing over and over again. You might enjoy playing polymock or boxing. You might enjoy doing repeatable quests and dungeons to earn reptuation points.
There might even be quests or dungeons that give away 1k+ reputation points as rewards!
You cant complain about the reputation/title system, and how we aquire armor until the entire game has been released and know how it all works!
We only got to see about 5-10% of the entire GWEN map, so how can you come to a conclusion about the game from just that?
What exactly is your definition of grinding, because I dont think its the same as mine or others!
My idea of grinding is when you have to achieve something outside of the actual storyline and quest and missions. For instance the wisdom and treasure chest titles arent connected to quest or missions. You can only earn that by endlessly opening chests and id'ing golds.
And the factions titles require you to either repeat the same two quests or play FA or AB over and over and over again. They have no real baring on the story of the game.
This is why you cant call earning the reputation titles a grind, because you add to those by actually playing the game. You dont even have to think about it, or conciously try to increase your points, because it happens as you play.
Yes it will come a point where you might need an extra 5-10k and you have done all the quests and dungeons and your bored with tournaments and boxing. But thats then your choice to farm those last few points! No is forcing you!
We have dozens of other armor sets throughout the game to choose from, so you cant argue that Anet is stopping you from getting armor. I would have assumed that by the time you play GWEN you would already have atleast one 15k set, so why is it such a huge priority to get a GWEN set straight away?
If you dont like farming points, are you not able to simply take your time, play the game, increase your points slowly and wait until you finish to get new armor?
This isnt about the reputation points being hard to earn, because their not. Its about yourself and others wanting to enter GWEN and take all your wealth and buy new armor straight away.
You dont have the patience to just play through all the quests and dungeons and earn points slowly and then get armor once you have enough. You want stuff now like a child at home crying because he has to eat his dinner before he gets desert!
Just play through GWEN, earn your points from quests and dungeons and other events and maybe do a tiny bit of farming and you will easily get enough points to reach rank 7.
But you cant complain about the mechanism of a game, which hasnt even been released yet and all you've experienced was a tiny, tiny preview of what exists!
Uber Mass
A small bit of working and questing for your title and armor seems a bit to much asked for people who want to rush the game i recon..... I'm glad its not like NF rush to the end and then show off your Primevil in Ascalon.... And its not that you have to spend ages in UW to get some ecto or in FoW to get your shards for your FoW armor..... Djeez cmon guys a few rep points to gather you hardly have to call that grinding
Rayana
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Originally Posted by Friar Khan
That's a decent point. Yes, you do have to kill monsters repeatedly, but...
Why aren't you complaining about Vabbian armor? Vabbian armor costs 16 rubies and 16 saphires in gems. Playing all the quests gets you about 4 gems. That means you need to put a lot of work in to farm your way to 28 gems unless you already farmed enough gold before nightfall was released. The only real difference is that you can't buy Norn rank off ebay as conveniently as you could for gold. Because you don't have to grind first, to even GLANCE at the armour there. That's a big difference already.
Why aren't you complaining about Vabbian armor? Vabbian armor costs 16 rubies and 16 saphires in gems. Playing all the quests gets you about 4 gems. That means you need to put a lot of work in to farm your way to 28 gems unless you already farmed enough gold before nightfall was released. The only real difference is that you can't buy Norn rank off ebay as conveniently as you could for gold. Because you don't have to grind first, to even GLANCE at the armour there. That's a big difference already.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by Rayana
Because you don't have to grind first, to even GLANCE at the armour there. That's a big difference already.
So you'd rather you could still look at the armor, but not be able to craft it until your at rak 7? How is that going to make you feel better?
And again its not grind!!!
All the ways to make reputation points....
Dozens of quest (some repeatable 100-750 possible more)
18 Dungeons (repeatable 750 points and possible more),
Drawf boxing (100 points),
Norn touranments (100 points),
Asura Polymock,
Bounties in instance (3-4k a run).
...are you serously suggesting that with all those differnet ways to make points (and they will most likely give greater points away in harder quests and dungeons), that by half-way or the end of GWEN your reputation rank wont be high enough to get armor?
And even if its not, it wont take a huge amount of effort to earn another 10-16k to the next rank!
FGS, just play through the game and wait till your rank increases enough to get armor. You dont need to get it straight away. What if the only armor crafters were right at the end of the game, would you winge that you had to grind through the entire game to get it?
Somehow I think you might!!!
And yes Vabbian armor compared to this is a far greater grind! I spent about 2weeks standing in an outpost posting "WTB Trade contracts" just to get enough rubies for that armor. Now that IS grinding!
I could have been elsehwere completing HM missions, but instead I stood in an outpost for 2 weeks doing that! That wasnt fun, but it was worth it for ele vabbian armor!
Compare to that, its not grinding when you earn the points while actually playing the actual quests and dungeons!! Its grind when you do something you dont need to like farming, opening chests and id'ing golds!
And again its not grind!!!
All the ways to make reputation points....
Dozens of quest (some repeatable 100-750 possible more)
18 Dungeons (repeatable 750 points and possible more),
Drawf boxing (100 points),
Norn touranments (100 points),
Asura Polymock,
Bounties in instance (3-4k a run).
...are you serously suggesting that with all those differnet ways to make points (and they will most likely give greater points away in harder quests and dungeons), that by half-way or the end of GWEN your reputation rank wont be high enough to get armor?
And even if its not, it wont take a huge amount of effort to earn another 10-16k to the next rank!
FGS, just play through the game and wait till your rank increases enough to get armor. You dont need to get it straight away. What if the only armor crafters were right at the end of the game, would you winge that you had to grind through the entire game to get it?
Somehow I think you might!!!
And yes Vabbian armor compared to this is a far greater grind! I spent about 2weeks standing in an outpost posting "WTB Trade contracts" just to get enough rubies for that armor. Now that IS grinding!
I could have been elsehwere completing HM missions, but instead I stood in an outpost for 2 weeks doing that! That wasnt fun, but it was worth it for ele vabbian armor!
Compare to that, its not grinding when you earn the points while actually playing the actual quests and dungeons!! Its grind when you do something you dont need to like farming, opening chests and id'ing golds!
Rayana
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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
So you'd rather you could still look at the armor, but not be able to craft it until your at rak 7? How is that going to make you feel better?
And again its not grind!!! No need to shout and get rude. You don't perceive it as grind, I do.
And again its not grind!!! No need to shout and get rude. You don't perceive it as grind, I do.
Uber Mass
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Originally Posted by Rayana
No need to shout and get rude. You don't perceive it as grind, I do.
Get over it i couldnt detect any rudeness in his text anyway go work for you armor like every1 else has to do...
MithranArkanere
My problem is not getting the stuff. It's getting it with 10 characters.
They are PUNISHING players who actually PAY for character slots.
They should give bonuses for each character that have a maxed title.
The more characters max a title, the easier to get for the others.
Like this:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10186117
Some poeople like to have all playing characters, not ONE character and 25 mules.
They are PUNISHING players who actually PAY for character slots.
They should give bonuses for each character that have a maxed title.
The more characters max a title, the easier to get for the others.
Like this:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10186117
Some poeople like to have all playing characters, not ONE character and 25 mules.
Perfected Shadow
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Originally Posted by Hyper.nl
I like the titles, or at least the Norn hunting one. The others I haven't given much attention yet. Maybe they could be account based, but I don't really care since I only have one lvl20 character.
They should be account based. I think it would leave those who play mainly with 1 character AND those with multiple characters happy. It's one thing playing the game, or grinding to obtain the points, it's another to repeat with multiple characters > <.
Perfected Shadow
Mithran beat me to a punch ( ;
Uber Mass
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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
They should be account based. I think it would leave those who play mainly with 1 character AND those with multiple characters happy. It's one thing playing the game, or grinding to obtain the points, it's another to repeat with multiple characters > <.
So sunspear and LB should be account based also? Thats about the same... and wait while we at it cant we get fow account based also? so when you get fow on 1 char you only need 1 ecto and 1 shard on the other chars...
Thats plain nonsense imho... if you want norn armor work on norn title if you want ebon vanguard armor work on that title more.... you can get lots of points doing primary and secondary quests and after that maybe some petite grinding... for a certain title
i like how they done it work for your armor like you have to do for FoW and Vabbian
Thats plain nonsense imho... if you want norn armor work on norn title if you want ebon vanguard armor work on that title more.... you can get lots of points doing primary and secondary quests and after that maybe some petite grinding... for a certain title
i like how they done it work for your armor like you have to do for FoW and Vabbian
tmakinen
Freakedoutfish hit the nail on the head here. These titles are essentially the gauge with which your progress is the game is measured, and it's a welcome change from the mission-driven storyline of the main campaigns.
All you who want these titles to be account wide to avoid 'grind' on secondary characters, please explain exactly how playing through NF with one character unlocks the benefits (endgame armor, green and free treasure chests along the way) for all the other characters on the same account. Having pushed 8 characters through NF I must admit that it starts to feel like grind at some point but that's my choice. The benefits scale linearly. I got 8 greens and 8 times the amount of treasures from the monthly chests when compared to a player who only has one character.
All you who want these titles to be account wide to avoid 'grind' on secondary characters, please explain exactly how playing through NF with one character unlocks the benefits (endgame armor, green and free treasure chests along the way) for all the other characters on the same account. Having pushed 8 characters through NF I must admit that it starts to feel like grind at some point but that's my choice. The benefits scale linearly. I got 8 greens and 8 times the amount of treasures from the monthly chests when compared to a player who only has one character.
Ravi
hhahaha, let them be guys, anet will give em acount based titles, and theeeeen a new thread will pop out, wich looks something like this:
GWEN: Anything else to do with my account based awesomeness?
ROFL. theres no pleasing anybody. ever.
GWEN: Anything else to do with my account based awesomeness?
ROFL. theres no pleasing anybody. ever.
Mordakai
Holy crap. This is NOT new people.
Factions had "grind" armor. You had to get some Faction before you could access the Luxons and Kurzicks, and didn't you need more Faction to the Elite Luxon and Kurzick?
Hell, how can you consider getting a bit of Norn reputation grind, but getting the end armor of Nightfall is not? (or Vabbian armor for that matter).
I don't get it.
Factions had "grind" armor. You had to get some Faction before you could access the Luxons and Kurzicks, and didn't you need more Faction to the Elite Luxon and Kurzick?
Hell, how can you consider getting a bit of Norn reputation grind, but getting the end armor of Nightfall is not? (or Vabbian armor for that matter).
I don't get it.
cthulhu reborn
I think this is a good thing.
And 56k is nothing compared to the amoint of points you need for the Kurzick/Luxon title which starts with hundres of thousands and ends in millions...now THAT would be grind.
Besides, I think there will be more ways to gain the Norn points etc when GWEN goes live I think...Ever wonder what those books are for that you can get from the hero guys in Gunnars? Has got to be reputation related I would think.
But the reputation is a good thing for me...at least it proves that when you have the armour you did something for it.
And 56k is nothing compared to the amoint of points you need for the Kurzick/Luxon title which starts with hundres of thousands and ends in millions...now THAT would be grind.
Besides, I think there will be more ways to gain the Norn points etc when GWEN goes live I think...Ever wonder what those books are for that you can get from the hero guys in Gunnars? Has got to be reputation related I would think.
But the reputation is a good thing for me...at least it proves that when you have the armour you did something for it.
828168
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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
We only got to see about 5-10% of the entire GWEN map, so how can you come to a conclusion about the game from just that?
And the factions titles require you to either repeat the same two quests or play FA or AB over and over and over again. They have no real baring on the story of the game. GW:EN map
Based on this map here, we've seen 4 out of 12 towns and outposts? That's 33%. We've seen at least 2 out of 17 dungeons, that's 12%. As for map exploration, it sure looks like more than 10% we've seen since there's portions that are prophecies and not this expansion. So quite possible that 5-10% of entire game is flaw? If they didn't block off the other quests, I'm sure somebody would've finished the game over the preview weekend.
We really can't compare faction titles to Norn, Asuran, or Vanguard titles. It's more in line with Sunspear and Lightbringer titles. Factions title is more to do with AB and for the major faction that was required to get pass a certain point was befriending either Luxon or Kurzick which requires only 10000 points. So aren't these flaw comparisons?
Yes, I will have ads saying "WTB Grinder for GW:EN".
And the factions titles require you to either repeat the same two quests or play FA or AB over and over and over again. They have no real baring on the story of the game. GW:EN map
Based on this map here, we've seen 4 out of 12 towns and outposts? That's 33%. We've seen at least 2 out of 17 dungeons, that's 12%. As for map exploration, it sure looks like more than 10% we've seen since there's portions that are prophecies and not this expansion. So quite possible that 5-10% of entire game is flaw? If they didn't block off the other quests, I'm sure somebody would've finished the game over the preview weekend.
We really can't compare faction titles to Norn, Asuran, or Vanguard titles. It's more in line with Sunspear and Lightbringer titles. Factions title is more to do with AB and for the major faction that was required to get pass a certain point was befriending either Luxon or Kurzick which requires only 10000 points. So aren't these flaw comparisons?
Yes, I will have ads saying "WTB Grinder for GW:EN".
828168
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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
IKurzick/Luxon title which starts with hundres of thousands and ends in millions...now THAT would be grind.
People, wake up already... Kurzick/Luxon title isn't needed for any armor. It's all optional which impacts nothing within the game except for your awesome title and at best give you slight improvements in your Luxon/Kurzick pve skill. But then again, the Norn title gives you slight improvements if you're wearing it. Your max HP goes up. Remind me again what you are grinding for in that Kurzick/Luxon title. I forgot the armor that I am trying to grind for while doing AB.
Vl Vl D
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Originally Posted by Kinn
Personally, I'm buying GW:EN so I can play the new quest/mission content and explore all the new areas. I couldn't give a toss about the latest vanity armour set.
Rit of mists got pwnd.What would you like? to rush past the game then complain that GW2 is to far away and how you can become a beta tester.
Rit of mists got pwnd.What would you like? to rush past the game then complain that GW2 is to far away and how you can become a beta tester.
Zallya
I would like to also point out that you also need 50k+ materials to craft the actual armour set, people complaining about not being able to get the same armour on 10 different characters need to stop and think the following:
Do you want the SAME armour set on every character? I chose armour set by looks, not by type. And to be honest, I'm actually a little dissapointed by a lot of the Norn armours, but there are definitely a some nice ones.
Do you want the SAME armour set on every character? I chose armour set by looks, not by type. And to be honest, I'm actually a little dissapointed by a lot of the Norn armours, but there are definitely a some nice ones.
Bibblenorn
When I saw people talking about the 56,000 requirement on the forums during the preview weekend, my jaw dropped. Sounds like alot! I am not generally very good at working on titles.
So my first response was, "I will never be able to get that much on all my characters! They should make it account based!" Following that was the thought that making these titles account based would make KoaBD nearly worthless... not that I am close to it anyways.
My next thought was, "What if we raised the points by 4 or 5 times to make the titles mean something if they are account based?" This was followed by the realization that that is a LOT of grinding. My attention span is NOT that long.
Then I came to the realization: "When was the last time I actually liked every profession's armor in the same set? NEVER!"
Now I can't speak for everyone, but do you actually want Norn armor for every one of your characters? I certainly don't. In fact, the only one I even vaguely like is the female ranger armor, and I am not sure it is more to my taste than the nice shing jea armor that my ranger currently wears.
I am less worried about the points for the titles (which I don't intend to get for each character), then about whether the other armors (Dwarf, etc) will be more attractive.
Summary: Does every character (for those of you who have many) actually need every set of armor? Your answer to this determines how daunting the point requirement is.
My two cents.
So my first response was, "I will never be able to get that much on all my characters! They should make it account based!" Following that was the thought that making these titles account based would make KoaBD nearly worthless... not that I am close to it anyways.
My next thought was, "What if we raised the points by 4 or 5 times to make the titles mean something if they are account based?" This was followed by the realization that that is a LOT of grinding. My attention span is NOT that long.
Then I came to the realization: "When was the last time I actually liked every profession's armor in the same set? NEVER!"
Now I can't speak for everyone, but do you actually want Norn armor for every one of your characters? I certainly don't. In fact, the only one I even vaguely like is the female ranger armor, and I am not sure it is more to my taste than the nice shing jea armor that my ranger currently wears.
I am less worried about the points for the titles (which I don't intend to get for each character), then about whether the other armors (Dwarf, etc) will be more attractive.
Summary: Does every character (for those of you who have many) actually need every set of armor? Your answer to this determines how daunting the point requirement is.
My two cents.